~ DISCUSSION ON DASAS ~ Vimshottari works in Vargas

[Guest guest]

hraum namah adityaya

Dear Suneel,

 

On page 411 we read that when Moon is in kona to Lagna then Vimshottari works well.

When Jupiter is strong then Narayana dasa gives best results. Natural dasas are for Surya.

I use Narayana dasa always, with Vimshottari (conditionals or moon/utpaka/lagna depending on chart), Moola dasa, Naisargika, Shoola and other dasa for specific situations, like AK Kendradi Graha dasa for spiritual development or Buddhi-Gati-dasa for Grahamalika. But I was taught to master one dasa depending on Your chart, if Moon is badly placed then You will not be good in Vimshottari dasa, If Jupiter is wellplaced then try to master Narayana dasa..Chart structure and timing depends on situation of karaka of this timing (dasa).

 

 

 

Regards

Rafal Gendarz

 

-

Suneel Hooda

Sunday, December 03, 2006 5:17 PM

[Om Krishna Guru] Re: ~ DISCUSSION ON DASAS ~ Vimshottari works in Vargas

 

 

that's a wonderful approach ! thanks very much for sharing on how you

would use vimsottotri, perhaps varga analysis works with this way,

perhaps it does not,for now lets come back to our original discussion

on dasas used by us individually,

 

"To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems

do you use in your approach and how would you RATE them !"

 

this is for all jyotishes on the forum,so we can reach some consensus

on which dasas work based on their popularity of usage,

 

suneel

 

, "Rafal" <starsuponme wrote:

>

> Dear Jyotisha,

>

> I am sure every Jyotisha who had contact with tradition knows

> very well how the dasas are DEFINITELY working in Varga's. There

> were to many events matched to ignore this useful experience. We

> cant ignore it as that would be going backwards. For those

> interested and having faith in rules presented by Acyuta-parampara

> (SJC) I would like to present one example (its my chart):

>

> October 25, 1982

> Time: 19:36:30

> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00"

>

> Lets see how Venus AD work in Lagna's per Vimshottari based on Moon.

>

> Rasi Varga

>

> 1. Venus in D1 is connected to Upapada (with lord), seventh lord

and

> fifth bhava, so in that period would be hard to avoid prediction

> about meeting partner. In Venus ad person started serious

> relationship. Venus is twelfth lord so also there was time of

> foreign travel and emotions involved (5L). As there is Raja Yoga in

> fifth bhava and Venus is lord of A10 person got some recognition.

> Tenth lord from Moon is Venus so support and demand for job

appeared.

>

> Hora Varga

>

> 2. Venus in D2 (Kn) is in seventh from HL therefore giving

potential

> to financial-improvement. Venus is lord of ninth in second bhava,

so

> person teached Jyotish-vidya in social circle (2H) and get

> opportunity to get money from consulting (venus).

>

> Drekkana varga

>

> 3. Here Venus is in Lagna. Person showed new interest in karma in

> society (karma-viveka) and there were new beginings and attitude-

> change about things one will do.

>

> Turyamsa varga

>

> 4. Here venus has argala on malefic in forth which means some

change

> of residence, as mangal is third lord it was short move and for

> short time.

>

> Dasamsa Varga

>

> 5. Here is parivartana between forth and ninth giving raja yoga

> related to doing good for society and Guru's. Jupiter is in ninth

> which gives fame from teaching while Venus in forth its good for

> hours in work, it means also that Gurus are influencing one's

> inteligence and choices (yuti lagnesh) during that time.

>

> Dwadasamsa Varga

>

> 6. Here Venus aspects Buddha which is maraka to forth and ninth,

but

> forth is occupied by Venus therefore it will give bad health to

> father.

>

> Shastyamsa Varga

>

> 7. Venus is lord of a4 in forth bhava, therefore person got a car

in

> that period. As Venus is in kona to parivartana lagnesh (Jupiter)

it

> was possible (native feels comfortable).

>

> Vimsamsa Varga.

>

> 8. Venus is forth and ninth bhava, therefore getting contact and

new

> relation (7H) with asrams/temples and Guru's/guide's.

>

> Siddhamsa Varga

>

> 9. Venus is third lord which means that person is finishing

masters

> education in that time. As its tenth lord there were opportunities

> in teachings (work in education).

>

> Shastyamsa chart

>

> 10. Venus is aspected by Mangal and Rahu giving a curse, its in

> eleventh bhava which means problems with friend circle.

>

> Regards

> Rafal Gendarz

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , "Suneel Hooda"

> <suneelhooda@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back,

> grab some

> > coffee and read on.....

> >

> > (If the text seems out of order i would recommend you cut-paste

> this

> > post and open it with MS word)

> >

> > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive

> > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this

art

> as

> > soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques.

> >

> > I wanted to share my usage of dasas,under my guru's guidance and

> > blessings, i have experimented with most dasas mentioned in

> classics,

> > and these 3 dasas are what I use personally,

> >

> > The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear

> as to

> > what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would rate

> them

> > - so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a dasa's

> > usage popularity

> >

> >

> >

> > The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore

survived

> to

> > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system

> fell

> > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to

apply

> > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though not

> > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern

> India

> > because it consistently works!

> >

> >

> >

> > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that

> play out

> > their role in life in the following order-

> >

> >

> >

> > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how

> > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate

> though

> > as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing difference.

> This

> > heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what gives strength to

> this

> > dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very unique to the

> individual. I

> > will place it on the top in my approach, if I know the birth time

> is

> > accurate. The method of calculation used is what sumit chugh

> follows in

> > his very good book on this subject. The analysis comes with

> experience

> > in handling it, and later I will post a section on it.

> >

> >

> >

> > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

> to the

> > idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I know

> its

> > very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it

> definitely

> > has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes its usage,

> and it

> > works brilliantly.

> >

> >

> >

> > 3) Yogini dasa- This is my third dasa and i to the

> effects of

> > yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling

yogini

> in

> > the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take yogini

> dasa as

> > totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each yogini

> having

> > its effect on the native's life when the time comes.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO

> NEED

> > TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas,

> it

> > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some

> hints-

> >

> >

> >

> > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the

> results

> > are often "life altering" like a major change of place,marriage,

> major

> > career changes, death etc.

> >

> > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing

> is very

> > unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being shared

> with

> > many people.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of

> place,

> > accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that the dasa

> > effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people who

> are

> > born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not

very

> time

> > sensitive.

> >

> > Read parashar & stick with that approach - a planet in Kendra/kona

> > /--- own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

> lagna/5th/9th and

> > is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based on

> its

> > "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in

mind,

> > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> friends /relationships

> > etc. are shown with this dasa.

> >

> >

> >

> > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with

most

> dasas

> > mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other yogini

dasas

> and

> > the above 3 are what I find work most consistently.

> >

> >

> >

> > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you

> use in

> > your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> >

>

Suneel

[Guest guest]

Dear Jyotisha,

 

I am sure every Jyotisha who had contact with tradition knows

very well how the dasas are DEFINITELY working in Varga's. There

were to many events matched to ignore this useful experience. We

cant ignore it as that would be going backwards. For those

interested and having faith in rules presented by Acyuta-parampara

(SJC) I would like to present one example (its my chart):

 

October 25, 1982

Time: 19:36:30

Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00"

 

Lets see how Venus AD work in Lagna's per Vimshottari based on Moon.

 

Rasi Varga

 

1. Venus in D1 is connected to Upapada (with lord), seventh lord and

fifth bhava, so in that period would be hard to avoid prediction

about meeting partner. In Venus ad person started serious

relationship. Venus is twelfth lord so also there was time of

foreign travel and emotions involved (5L). As there is Raja Yoga in

fifth bhava and Venus is lord of A10 person got some recognition.

Tenth lord from Moon is Venus so support and demand for job appeared.

 

Hora Varga

 

2. Venus in D2 (Kn) is in seventh from HL therefore giving potential

to financial-improvement. Venus is lord of ninth in second bhava, so

person teached Jyotish-vidya in social circle (2H) and get

opportunity to get money from consulting (venus).

 

Drekkana varga

 

3. Here Venus is in Lagna. Person showed new interest in karma in

society (karma-viveka) and there were new beginings and attitude-

change about things one will do.

 

Turyamsa varga

 

4. Here venus has argala on malefic in forth which means some change

of residence, as mangal is third lord it was short move and for

short time.

 

Dasamsa Varga

 

5. Here is parivartana between forth and ninth giving raja yoga

related to doing good for society and Guru's. Jupiter is in ninth

which gives fame from teaching while Venus in forth its good for

hours in work, it means also that Gurus are influencing one's

inteligence and choices (yuti lagnesh) during that time.

 

Dwadasamsa Varga

 

6. Here Venus aspects Buddha which is maraka to forth and ninth, but

forth is occupied by Venus therefore it will give bad health to

father.

 

Shastyamsa Varga

 

7. Venus is lord of a4 in forth bhava, therefore person got a car in

that period. As Venus is in kona to parivartana lagnesh (Jupiter) it

was possible (native feels comfortable).

 

Vimsamsa Varga.

 

8. Venus is forth and ninth bhava, therefore getting contact and new

relation (7H) with asrams/temples and Guru's/guide's.

 

Siddhamsa Varga

 

9. Venus is third lord which means that person is finishing masters

education in that time. As its tenth lord there were opportunities

in teachings (work in education).

 

Shastyamsa chart

 

10. Venus is aspected by Mangal and Rahu giving a curse, its in

eleventh bhava which means problems with friend circle.

 

Regards

Rafal Gendarz

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Suneel Hooda"

<suneelhooda wrote:

>

>

> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back,

grab some

> coffee and read on.....

>

> (If the text seems out of order i would recommend you cut-paste

this

> post and open it with MS word)

>

> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive

> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this art

as

> soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques.

>

> I wanted to share my usage of dasas,under my guru's guidance and

> blessings, i have experimented with most dasas mentioned in

classics,

> and these 3 dasas are what I use personally,

>

> The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear

as to

> what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would rate

them

> – so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a dasa's

> usage popularity

>

>

>

> The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore survived

to

> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system

fell

> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to apply

> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though not

> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern

India

> because it consistently works!

>

>

>

> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that

play out

> their role in life in the following order-

>

>

>

> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how

> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate

though

> as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing difference.

This

> heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what gives strength to

this

> dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very unique to the

individual. I

> will place it on the top in my approach, if I know the birth time

is

> accurate. The method of calculation used is what sumit chugh

follows in

> his very good book on this subject. The analysis comes with

experience

> in handling it, and later I will post a section on it.

>

>

>

> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

to the

> idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I know

its

> very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it

definitely

> has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes its usage,

and it

> works brilliantly.

>

>

>

> 3) Yogini dasa- This is my third dasa and i to the

effects of

> yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling yogini

in

> the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take yogini

dasa as

> totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each yogini

having

> its effect on the native's life when the time comes.

>

>

>

>

>

> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO

NEED

> TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !)

>

>

>

>

>

> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas,

it

> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some

hints-

>

>

>

> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the

results

> are often "life altering" like a major change of place,marriage,

major

> career changes, death etc.

>

> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing

is very

> unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being shared

with

> many people.

>

>

>

>

>

> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of

place,

> accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that the dasa

> effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people who

are

> born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not very

time

> sensitive.

>

> Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in Kendra/kona

> /--- own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

lagna/5th/9th and

> is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based on

its

> "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

>

>

>

>

>

> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in mind,

> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

friends /relationships

> etc. are shown with this dasa.

>

>

>

> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with most

dasas

> mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other yogini dasas

and

> the above 3 are what I find work most consistently.

>

>

>

> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you

use in

> your approach and how would YOU rate them !

>

[Guest guest]

that's a wonderful approach ! thanks very much for sharing on how you

would use vimsottotri, perhaps varga analysis works with this way,

perhaps it does not,for now lets come back to our original discussion

on dasas used by us individually,

 

"To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems

do you use in your approach and how would you RATE them !"

 

this is for all jyotishes on the forum,so we can reach some consensus

on which dasas work based on their popularity of usage,

 

suneel

 

 

 

 

, "Rafal" <starsuponme wrote:

>

> Dear Jyotisha,

>

> I am sure every Jyotisha who had contact with tradition knows

> very well how the dasas are DEFINITELY working in Varga's. There

> were to many events matched to ignore this useful experience. We

> cant ignore it as that would be going backwards. For those

> interested and having faith in rules presented by Acyuta-parampara

> (SJC) I would like to present one example (its my chart):

>

> October 25, 1982

> Time: 19:36:30

> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00"

>

> Lets see how Venus AD work in Lagna's per Vimshottari based on Moon.

>

> Rasi Varga

>

> 1. Venus in D1 is connected to Upapada (with lord), seventh lord

and

> fifth bhava, so in that period would be hard to avoid prediction

> about meeting partner. In Venus ad person started serious

> relationship. Venus is twelfth lord so also there was time of

> foreign travel and emotions involved (5L). As there is Raja Yoga in

> fifth bhava and Venus is lord of A10 person got some recognition.

> Tenth lord from Moon is Venus so support and demand for job

appeared.

>

> Hora Varga

>

> 2. Venus in D2 (Kn) is in seventh from HL therefore giving

potential

> to financial-improvement. Venus is lord of ninth in second bhava,

so

> person teached Jyotish-vidya in social circle (2H) and get

> opportunity to get money from consulting (venus).

>

> Drekkana varga

>

> 3. Here Venus is in Lagna. Person showed new interest in karma in

> society (karma-viveka) and there were new beginings and attitude-

> change about things one will do.

>

> Turyamsa varga

>

> 4. Here venus has argala on malefic in forth which means some

change

> of residence, as mangal is third lord it was short move and for

> short time.

>

> Dasamsa Varga

>

> 5. Here is parivartana between forth and ninth giving raja yoga

> related to doing good for society and Guru's. Jupiter is in ninth

> which gives fame from teaching while Venus in forth its good for

> hours in work, it means also that Gurus are influencing one's

> inteligence and choices (yuti lagnesh) during that time.

>

> Dwadasamsa Varga

>

> 6. Here Venus aspects Buddha which is maraka to forth and ninth,

but

> forth is occupied by Venus therefore it will give bad health to

> father.

>

> Shastyamsa Varga

>

> 7. Venus is lord of a4 in forth bhava, therefore person got a car

in

> that period. As Venus is in kona to parivartana lagnesh (Jupiter)

it

> was possible (native feels comfortable).

>

> Vimsamsa Varga.

>

> 8. Venus is forth and ninth bhava, therefore getting contact and

new

> relation (7H) with asrams/temples and Guru's/guide's.

>

> Siddhamsa Varga

>

> 9. Venus is third lord which means that person is finishing

masters

> education in that time. As its tenth lord there were opportunities

> in teachings (work in education).

>

> Shastyamsa chart

>

> 10. Venus is aspected by Mangal and Rahu giving a curse, its in

> eleventh bhava which means problems with friend circle.

>

> Regards

> Rafal Gendarz

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , "Suneel Hooda"

> <suneelhooda@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back,

> grab some

> > coffee and read on.....

> >

> > (If the text seems out of order i would recommend you cut-paste

> this

> > post and open it with MS word)

> >

> > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive

> > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this

art

> as

> > soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques.

> >

> > I wanted to share my usage of dasas,under my guru's guidance and

> > blessings, i have experimented with most dasas mentioned in

> classics,

> > and these 3 dasas are what I use personally,

> >

> > The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear

> as to

> > what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would rate

> them

> > – so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a dasa's

> > usage popularity

> >

> >

> >

> > The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore

survived

> to

> > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system

> fell

> > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to

apply

> > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though not

> > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern

> India

> > because it consistently works!

> >

> >

> >

> > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that

> play out

> > their role in life in the following order-

> >

> >

> >

> > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how

> > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate

> though

> > as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing difference.

> This

> > heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what gives strength to

> this

> > dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very unique to the

> individual. I

> > will place it on the top in my approach, if I know the birth time

> is

> > accurate. The method of calculation used is what sumit chugh

> follows in

> > his very good book on this subject. The analysis comes with

> experience

> > in handling it, and later I will post a section on it.

> >

> >

> >

> > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

> to the

> > idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I know

> its

> > very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it

> definitely

> > has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes its usage,

> and it

> > works brilliantly.

> >

> >

> >

> > 3) Yogini dasa- This is my third dasa and i to the

> effects of

> > yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling

yogini

> in

> > the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take yogini

> dasa as

> > totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each yogini

> having

> > its effect on the native's life when the time comes.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO

> NEED

> > TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas,

> it

> > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some

> hints-

> >

> >

> >

> > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the

> results

> > are often "life altering" like a major change of place,marriage,

> major

> > career changes, death etc.

> >

> > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing

> is very

> > unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being shared

> with

> > many people.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of

> place,

> > accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that the dasa

> > effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people who

> are

> > born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not

very

> time

> > sensitive.

> >

> > Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in Kendra/kona

> > /--- own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

> lagna/5th/9th and

> > is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based on

> its

> > "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in

mind,

> > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> friends /relationships

> > etc. are shown with this dasa.

> >

> >

> >

> > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with

most

> dasas

> > mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other yogini

dasas

> and

> > the above 3 are what I find work most consistently.

> >

> >

> >

> > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you

> use in

> > your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> >

>

Suneel

[Guest guest]

II Om Gurave Namah II

Hari om , Friend,

Dear Rafal,

Venus AD will come to end around 30 April 2009 and in first Six month itself

all that you have described has come to pass, Thanks for sharing such a beautiful example.Ovbiously period till end of Bhukti be also go smoth.

You have described happiness from Car from Shastyamsa Vraga, It is new to me.

"Shastyamsa Varga

7. Venus is lord of a4 in forth bhava, therefore person got a car in that period. As Venus is in kona to parivartana lagnesh (Jupiter) it

was possible (native feels comfortable).

For those from older generation and who worked on divisional charts when "New Techniques of Prediction "came out from the pen of Late Shri H.R.Seshadri Iyer around 1970

this is what has been illustrated and taught by him with 40 examples in chapter III in slightly different way but outside Acyuta- parampara.

 

 

 

 

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-

Rafal

Sunday, December 03, 2006 8:21 PM

[Om Krishna Guru] Re: ~ DISCUSSION ON DASAS ~ Vimshottari works in Vargas

 

 

Dear Jyotisha,

 

I am sure every Jyotisha who had contact with tradition knows

very well how the dasas are DEFINITELY working in Varga's. There

were to many events matched to ignore this useful experience. We

cant ignore it as that would be going backwards. For those

interested and having faith in rules presented by Acyuta-parampara

(SJC) I would like to present one example (its my chart):

 

October 25, 1982

Time: 19:36:30

Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00"

 

Lets see how Venus AD work in Lagna's per Vimshottari based on Moon.

 

Rasi Varga

 

1. Venus in D1 is connected to Upapada (with lord), seventh lord and

fifth bhava, so in that period would be hard to avoid prediction

about meeting partner. In Venus ad person started serious

relationship. Venus is twelfth lord so also there was time of

foreign travel and emotions involved (5L). As there is Raja Yoga in

fifth bhava and Venus is lord of A10 person got some recognition.

Tenth lord from Moon is Venus so support and demand for job appeared.

 

Hora Varga

 

2. Venus in D2 (Kn) is in seventh from HL therefore giving potential

to financial-improvement. Venus is lord of ninth in second bhava, so

person teached Jyotish-vidya in social circle (2H) and get

opportunity to get money from consulting (venus).

 

Drekkana varga

 

3. Here Venus is in Lagna. Person showed new interest in karma in

society (karma-viveka) and there were new beginings and attitude-

change about things one will do.

 

Turyamsa varga

 

4. Here venus has argala on malefic in forth which means some change

of residence, as mangal is third lord it was short move and for

short time.

 

Dasamsa Varga

 

5. Here is parivartana between forth and ninth giving raja yoga

related to doing good for society and Guru's. Jupiter is in ninth

which gives fame from teaching while Venus in forth its good for

hours in work, it means also that Gurus are influencing one's

inteligence and choices (yuti lagnesh) during that time.

 

Dwadasamsa Varga

 

6. Here Venus aspects Buddha which is maraka to forth and ninth, but

forth is occupied by Venus therefore it will give bad health to

father.

 

Shastyamsa Varga

 

7. Venus is lord of a4 in forth bhava, therefore person got a car in

that period. As Venus is in kona to parivartana lagnesh (Jupiter) it

was possible (native feels comfortable).

 

Vimsamsa Varga.

 

8. Venus is forth and ninth bhava, therefore getting contact and new

relation (7H) with asrams/temples and Guru's/guide's.

 

Siddhamsa Varga

 

9. Venus is third lord which means that person is finishing masters

education in that time. As its tenth lord there were opportunities

in teachings (work in education).

 

Shastyamsa chart

 

10. Venus is aspected by Mangal and Rahu giving a curse, its in

eleventh bhava which means problems with friend circle.

 

Regards

Rafal Gendarz

 

, "Suneel Hooda"

<suneelhooda wrote:

>

>

> Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back,

grab some

> coffee and read on.....

>

> (If the text seems out of order i would recommend you cut-paste

this

> post and open it with MS word)

>

> Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to predictive

> astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this art

as

> soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques.

>

> I wanted to share my usage of dasas,under my guru's guidance and

> blessings, i have experimented with most dasas mentioned in

classics,

> and these 3 dasas are what I use personally,

>

> The reason I am making this post is because I would like to hear

as to

> what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would rate

them

> - so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a dasa's

> usage popularity

>

>

>

> The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore survived

to

> this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa system

fell

> into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to apply

> it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though not

> mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in northern

India

> because it consistently works!

>

>

>

> In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that

play out

> their role in life in the following order-

>

>

>

> 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe how

> powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be accurate

though

> as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing difference.

This

> heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what gives strength to

this

> dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very unique to the

individual. I

> will place it on the top in my approach, if I know the birth time

is

> accurate. The method of calculation used is what sumit chugh

follows in

> his very good book on this subject. The analysis comes with

experience

> in handling it, and later I will post a section on it.

>

>

>

> 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

to the

> idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I know

its

> very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it

definitely

> has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes its usage,

and it

> works brilliantly.

>

>

>

> 3) Yogini dasa- This is my third dasa and i to the

effects of

> yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling yogini

in

> the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take yogini

dasa as

> totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each yogini

having

> its effect on the native's life when the time comes.

>

>

>

>

>

> (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE, NO

NEED

> TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !)

>

>

>

>

>

> There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three dasas,

it

> will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some

hints-

>

>

>

> 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and the

results

> are often "life altering" like a major change of place,marriage,

major

> career changes, death etc.

>

> Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are seeing

is very

> unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being shared

with

> many people.

>

>

>

>

>

> 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change of

place,

> accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that the dasa

> effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people who

are

> born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not very

time

> sensitive.

>

> Read parashar & stick with that approach - a planet in Kendra/kona

> /--- own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

lagna/5th/9th and

> is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based on

its

> "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

>

>

>

>

>

> 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in mind,

> events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

friends /relationships

> etc. are shown with this dasa.

>

>

>

> I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with most

dasas

> mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other yogini dasas

and

> the above 3 are what I find work most consistently.

>

>

>

> To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do you

use in

> your approach and how would YOU rate them !

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Gurujans,

I would like to add a bit of my experience. I had been using only

Vimshotri Dasha till 1999. After having read books on Narayan

Dasha,I tried to learn it's application. With practice, I am amazed

to experience that usage of both the Vimshotri and Narayan Dashas

are almost complementing each other, in understanding the Phalit

Jyotish, and the accuracy in predicting the events increases

tremendously , as also the confidence level. Further I take help of

Transit(from Moon or Lagna,whichever is strongest),coupled with

Ashtakvarga. With this the percentage of my correct reading and the

prediction of events has gone up, not to say that good name and

respect, too has grown.

 

RAJ BHARDWAJ

Sh.Aditya Jyoitish Kendra

31/GH-9,Mansa Devi Complex

Panchkula

, "Suneel Hooda"

<suneelhooda wrote:

>

> that's a wonderful approach ! thanks very much for sharing on how

you

> would use vimsottotri, perhaps varga analysis works with this way,

> perhaps it does not,for now lets come back to our original

discussion

> on dasas used by us individually,

>

> "To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems

> do you use in your approach and how would you RATE them !"

>

> this is for all jyotishes on the forum,so we can reach some

consensus

> on which dasas work based on their popularity of usage,

>

> suneel

>

>

>

>

> , "Rafal" <starsuponme@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jyotisha,

> >

> > I am sure every Jyotisha who had contact with tradition knows

> > very well how the dasas are DEFINITELY working in Varga's. There

> > were to many events matched to ignore this useful experience. We

> > cant ignore it as that would be going backwards. For those

> > interested and having faith in rules presented by Acyuta-

parampara

> > (SJC) I would like to present one example (its my chart):

> >

> > October 25, 1982

> > Time: 19:36:30

> > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00"

> >

> > Lets see how Venus AD work in Lagna's per Vimshottari based on

Moon.

> >

> > Rasi Varga

> >

> > 1. Venus in D1 is connected to Upapada (with lord), seventh lord

> and

> > fifth bhava, so in that period would be hard to avoid prediction

> > about meeting partner. In Venus ad person started serious

> > relationship. Venus is twelfth lord so also there was time of

> > foreign travel and emotions involved (5L). As there is Raja Yoga

in

> > fifth bhava and Venus is lord of A10 person got some recognition.

> > Tenth lord from Moon is Venus so support and demand for job

> appeared.

> >

> > Hora Varga

> >

> > 2. Venus in D2 (Kn) is in seventh from HL therefore giving

> potential

> > to financial-improvement. Venus is lord of ninth in second

bhava,

> so

> > person teached Jyotish-vidya in social circle (2H) and get

> > opportunity to get money from consulting (venus).

> >

> > Drekkana varga

> >

> > 3. Here Venus is in Lagna. Person showed new interest in karma

in

> > society (karma-viveka) and there were new beginings and attitude-

> > change about things one will do.

> >

> > Turyamsa varga

> >

> > 4. Here venus has argala on malefic in forth which means some

> change

> > of residence, as mangal is third lord it was short move and for

> > short time.

> >

> > Dasamsa Varga

> >

> > 5. Here is parivartana between forth and ninth giving raja yoga

> > related to doing good for society and Guru's. Jupiter is in

ninth

> > which gives fame from teaching while Venus in forth its good for

> > hours in work, it means also that Gurus are influencing one's

> > inteligence and choices (yuti lagnesh) during that time.

> >

> > Dwadasamsa Varga

> >

> > 6. Here Venus aspects Buddha which is maraka to forth and ninth,

> but

> > forth is occupied by Venus therefore it will give bad health to

> > father.

> >

> > Shastyamsa Varga

> >

> > 7. Venus is lord of a4 in forth bhava, therefore person got a

car

> in

> > that period. As Venus is in kona to parivartana lagnesh

(Jupiter)

> it

> > was possible (native feels comfortable).

> >

> > Vimsamsa Varga.

> >

> > 8. Venus is forth and ninth bhava, therefore getting contact and

> new

> > relation (7H) with asrams/temples and Guru's/guide's.

> >

> > Siddhamsa Varga

> >

> > 9. Venus is third lord which means that person is finishing

> masters

> > education in that time. As its tenth lord there were

opportunities

> > in teachings (work in education).

> >

> > Shastyamsa chart

> >

> > 10. Venus is aspected by Mangal and Rahu giving a curse, its in

> > eleventh bhava which means problems with friend circle.

> >

> > Regards

> > Rafal Gendarz

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Suneel Hooda"

> > <suneelhooda@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Namaste everyone! This is a bit of a long post so settle back,

> > grab some

> > > coffee and read on.....

> > >

> > > (If the text seems out of order i would recommend you cut-

paste

> > this

> > > post and open it with MS word)

> > >

> > > Timing events is what adds great mystery and depth to

predictive

> > > astrology, and we are all often greatly tempted to master this

> art

> > as

> > > soon as possible but this takes time and the right techniques.

> > >

> > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas,under my guru's guidance

and

> > > blessings, i have experimented with most dasas mentioned in

> > classics,

> > > and these 3 dasas are what I use personally,

> > >

> > > The reason I am making this post is because I would like to

hear

> > as to

> > > what dasa systems you use in your approach and how you would

rate

> > them

> > > – so that we can see some consensus emerging based on a dasa's

> > > usage popularity

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The reason why a dasa system became popular and therefore

> survived

> > to

> > > this day is because it worked, and the reason why a dasa

system

> > fell

> > > into disuse was because either it didn't work or the rules to

> apply

> > > it were lost with time. Yogini dasa is a case in point, though

not

> > > mentioned extensively in classics; the dasa thrives in

northern

> > India

> > > because it consistently works!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In my personal research on hindu dasas, I place the dasas that

> > play out

> > > their role in life in the following order-

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 1) Kaal Chakra Dasa (KCD) - I can not even begin to describe

how

> > > powerful this dasa system is, the birth time needs to be

accurate

> > though

> > > as a 1 min change reflects in a 3 to 4 months timing

difference.

> > This

> > > heavy reliance on moon's swift motion is what gives strength

to

> > this

> > > dasa as the emerging dasa patterns are very unique to the

> > individual. I

> > > will place it on the top in my approach, if I know the birth

time

> > is

> > > accurate. The method of calculation used is what sumit chugh

> > follows in

> > > his very good book on this subject. The analysis comes with

> > experience

> > > in handling it, and later I will post a section on it.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 2)Vimsottotri dasa - This is My second dasa and i don't

 

> > to the

> > > idea of seeing dasa lords positions from the varga lagnas. I

know

> > its

> > > very tempting to believe that this would work, but for me, it

> > definitely

> > > has not. I use this dasa in the way parashar describes its

usage,

> > and it

> > > works brilliantly.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 3) Yogini dasa- This is my third dasa and i to the

> > effects of

> > > yogini's only. i.e. I do not see the position of the ruling

> yogini

> > in

> > > the natal horoscope. To help you better understand I take

yogini

> > dasa as

> > > totally independent from the natal horoscope, with each yogini

> > having

> > > its effect on the native's life when the time comes.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > (THESE ARE MY OWN VIEWS,IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ITS FINE,

NO

> > NEED

> > > TO START ANY ARGUMENT OVER THEM,

> > > pls !...lets try to learn from each other in good spirits !)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > There is no need for an event to be reflected in all three

dasas,

> > it

> > > will not, does not, have to be that way at all. These are some

> > hints-

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 1) What is indicated in the KCD will come to pass always and

the

> > results

> > > are often "life altering" like a major change of

place,marriage,

> > major

> > > career changes, death etc.

> > >

> > > Remember that KCD is very time sensitive and what you are

seeing

> > is very

> > > unique to that individual as the same pattern is not being

shared

> > with

> > > many people.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 2) Vimsottotri dasa effects - Fairly major events,like change

of

> > place,

> > > accidents, gain/loss of money, etc. Remember always that the

dasa

> > > effects you are describing, will be shared by all the people

who

> > are

> > > born in that fairly large "time window" as vimsottotri is not

> very

> > time

> > > sensitive.

> > >

> > > Read parashar & stick with that approach – a planet in

Kendra/kona

> > > /--- own/uccha sign or amsa , conjoined or aspected by

> > > Jupiter,venus,moon, mercury or if a planet is lord of

> > lagna/5th/9th and

> > > is in good houses /signs then it will give good results based

on

> > its

> > > "karak" nature. Its simple and it will always work.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 3) yogini dasa - is the least time sensitive, so keep that in

> mind,

> > > events like minor accidents, disappointments, new

> > friends /relationships

> > > etc. are shown with this dasa.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I wanted to share my usage of dasas. I have experimented with

> most

> > dasas

> > > mentioned in classics, including chara dasa and other yogini

> dasas

> > and

> > > the above 3 are what I find work most consistently.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To reiterate I would like to hear as to what dasa systems do

you

> > use in

> > > your approach and how would YOU rate them !

> > >

> >

> Suneel

>