Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Dear All, I've recently come across one case labeled: 'suspects of incest'- So sorry cannot share Birth data /delicate issue, indeed. Behaviorally, /I mean actual behaviour/ this possibility is fairly likely! I am curious to see this astrologically. Libra lagna /son/, Venus in 4th, Sun Me in 5th, Rahu in 9 th, Sa, Mo Mars in 12th. Ju on Lagna /or 12 in cuspal chart/ /we have LL in mother's house, 4th Lord in a dreadful combination, in 12th-bed pleasures? Moon is there and 7th Lord Mars conjoins 4th/and 5th!!!/ Lord Saturn. What would any of you suggest/expect for this poor 24 yr. old? What kind of help can be introduced anyway, when such a taboo serious issue is to be dealt with.. Sa conj Mars and combo squares nodes- man is running Rahu MD and has been hospitalized as a suicide attempt- taken out by mother. lots of juvenile psychopathy syndrome indicated behaviorally,which I would not considered crucial under the circumstances, since it might be his massive reaction to the general situation. What I am sure about is if "that' happened it was not by force. Astro data seem to confirm? Incest? What would be indications, in general? In this case I'd like to hear your impressions, as well. Hope you'll find this to be an interesting issue./as I did/ Regards, Anna Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 , 108ar <bona_mente wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > I've recently come across one case labeled: 'suspects of incest'- So sorry cannot share Birth data /delicate issue, indeed. Behaviorally, /I mean actual behaviour/ this possibility is fairly likely! > > I am curious to see this astrologically. > > Libra lagna /son/, Venus in 4th, Sun Me in 5th, Rahu in 9 th, > Sa, Mo Mars in 12th. Ju on Lagna /or 12 in cuspal chart/ > /we have LL in mother's house, 4th Lord in a dreadful combination, in 12th-bed pleasures? Moon is there and 7th Lord Mars conjoins 4th/and 5th!!!/ Lord Saturn. What would any of you suggest/expect for this poor 24 yr. old? > What kind of help can be introduced anyway, when such a taboo serious issue is to be dealt with.. > > Sa conj Mars and combo squares nodes- man is running Rahu MD and has been hospitalized as a suicide attempt- taken out by mother. > lots of juvenile psychopathy syndrome indicated behaviorally,which I would not considered crucial under the circumstances, since it might be his massive reaction to the general situation. > > What I am sure about is if "that' happened it was not by force. Astro data seem to confirm? > > Incest? > What would be indications, in general? In this case I'd like to hear your impressions, as well. > Hope you'll find this to be an interesting issue./as I did/ > Regards, > Anna > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Dear Anna, I may not comment on the undermentioned case, as I have a different method of analysis, where in I see the Nakshatra points of the planets and their Lords alongwith the Dasha running at the the time of query from the native. But I have close connection with people I know who have been involved in incest, normally the venus is afflicted in such charts, the 4th lord is also infected as well as the 12th Lord is placed in a place where normal (Domestic)happiness would be denied, in most of these cases , Mars and Venus are also mutually either in reception,exchange,or seated in each others place, or in aspect or conjunction , the Father of the native (The 9th or 10th Sign Lord, or Sun as Karaka may also be weak), and some Tamasic planet placed in 9th House. The Moon may either be too strong or too weak, if You check. Either or all af the above, may bring in the incident sighted in the natives case, plus the Dasha running at this time would be having close connections with a blemished venus as Karaka of the seventh house (Partner). I do not think it is necessary that the victim invloved has to be himself/herself of an afflicted Lagna or in odd sign ,but Yes ketu too in the 7th house would confirm the natives involvement, not necessarily Rahu has to be in Lagna. What I mean to say we can discount the theory that the native has necessarily to be a Yes Man/Yes girl to give consent to such behaviour. It may be forced upon the native, by the perpetrator, who himself may be having a very complicated chart leaning towards sensual stimulations and unnatural gratifications of the animal instincts thereof. For exapmle we have heard of cases where the victims of a Rehabailtation home for street side or orphaned children/women are housed, and the Managers of these homes are abusing the modesty of these children. So I dont believe that all the victims charts would show consent, rather the person invlolved in this henious crime may have a Rahu-Moon affliction or any such type combination, to make him what he is. Thus there are many factors to be seen in totality. Anyway this is a subject i do not wish to delve in much. Its horrifying and detestable, I am sure you would agree, to talk about much. regards, Bhaskar. , 108ar <bona_mente wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > I've recently come across one case labeled: 'suspects of incest'- So sorry cannot share Birth data /delicate issue, indeed. Behaviorally, /I mean actual behaviour/ this possibility is fairly likely! > > I am curious to see this astrologically. > > Libra lagna /son/, Venus in 4th, Sun Me in 5th, Rahu in 9 th, > Sa, Mo Mars in 12th. Ju on Lagna /or 12 in cuspal chart/ > /we have LL in mother's house, 4th Lord in a dreadful combination, in 12th-bed pleasures? Moon is there and 7th Lord Mars conjoins 4th/and 5th!!!/ Lord Saturn. What would any of you suggest/expect for this poor 24 yr. old? > What kind of help can be introduced anyway, when such a taboo serious issue is to be dealt with.. > > Sa conj Mars and combo squares nodes- man is running Rahu MD and has been hospitalized as a suicide attempt- taken out by mother. > lots of juvenile psychopathy syndrome indicated behaviorally,which I would not considered crucial under the circumstances, since it might be his massive reaction to the general situation. > > What I am sure about is if "that' happened it was not by force. Astro data seem to confirm? > > Incest? > What would be indications, in general? In this case I'd like to hear your impressions, as well. > Hope you'll find this to be an interesting issue./as I did/ > Regards, > Anna > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Dear Anna, 4th lord Saturn with Mars 7th lord and Moon the karaka for mother, going to the 12th and Venus the lord of the 8th in Papakartari occupying the 4th, does suggest a possibility of what you are guessing being right. I would consider Jupiter in Lagna as with him aspecting the 6th, 8th and Venus, if in 12th, the possibility of something like this occuring seems to be remote. Before coming to any definite conclusion, you would be well advised to look at the navamsha strength or weakness of the relevant planets. Chandrashekhar. 108ar wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > I've recently come across one case labeled: 'suspects of incest'- So > sorry cannot share Birth data /delicate issue, indeed. Behaviorally, > /I mean actual behaviour/ this possibility is fairly likely! > > I am curious to see this astrologically. > > Libra lagna /son/, Venus in 4th, Sun Me in 5th, Rahu in 9 th, > Sa, Mo Mars in 12th. Ju on Lagna /or 12 in cuspal chart/ > /we have LL in mother's house, 4th Lord in a dreadful combination, in > 12th-bed pleasures? Moon is there and 7th Lord Mars conjoins 4th/and > 5th!!!/ Lord Saturn. What would any of you suggest/expect for this > poor 24 yr. old? > What kind of help can be introduced anyway, when such a taboo serious > issue is to be dealt with.. > > Sa conj Mars and combo squares nodes- man is running Rahu MD and has > been hospitalized as a suicide attempt- taken out by mother. > lots of juvenile psychopathy syndrome indicated behaviorally,which I > would not considered crucial under the circumstances, since it might > be his massive reaction to the general situation. > > What I am sure about is if "that' happened it was not by force. Astro > data seem to confirm? > > Incest? > What would be indications, in general? In this case I'd like to hear > your impressions, as well. > Hope you'll find this to be an interesting issue./as I did/ > Regards, > Anna > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Dear Bhaskar, Thanks so much for this post, information provided and your perspective on this issue- I also share that feeling "Its horrifying and detestable.. to talk about much"- On the other hand it's just one more pathological phenomenon that we can expore in that fashion, isn't it? I haven't seen many cases like this /here, I susspect mother's twisted desire to 'help' an adolescent son in every posible way!!!/ but I do have a strong feeling that we all share discomfort regarding this issue because we all share the oldest taboo archetype, which makes us usurped on a deeper personal level. As I write this, I fight the desire to end the message quickly, let alone the fact that I had a problem posting this, at the first place. Victim of rape stories /I've heard may/, for ex. have never upset me so much. We kind of avoid "getting involved" in any way with this particular pathological issue, so powerful is the taboo! Regards, Anna Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Anna, I may not comment on the undermentioned case, as I have a different method of analysis, where in I see the Nakshatra points of the planets and their Lords alongwith the Dasha running at the the time of query from the native. But I have close connection with people I know who have been involved in incest, normally the venus is afflicted in such charts, the 4th lord is also infected as well as the 12th Lord is placed in a place where normal (Domestic)happiness would be denied, in most of these cases , Mars and Venus are also mutually either in reception,exchange,or seated in each others place, or in aspect or conjunction , the Father of the native (The 9th or 10th Sign Lord, or Sun as Karaka may also be weak), and some Tamasic planet placed in 9th House. The Moon may either be too strong or too weak, if You check. Either or all af the above, may bring in the incident sighted in the natives case, plus the Dasha running at this time would be having close connections with a blemished venus as Karaka of the seventh house (Partner). I do not think it is necessary that the victim invloved has to be himself/herself of an afflicted Lagna or in odd sign ,but Yes ketu too in the 7th house would confirm the natives involvement, not necessarily Rahu has to be in Lagna. What I mean to say we can discount the theory that the native has necessarily to be a Yes Man/Yes girl to give consent to such behaviour. It may be forced upon the native, by the perpetrator, who himself may be having a very complicated chart leaning towards sensual stimulations and unnatural gratifications of the animal instincts thereof. For exapmle we have heard of cases where the victims of a Rehabailtation home for street side or orphaned children/women are housed, and the Managers of these homes are abusing the modesty of these children. So I dont believe that all the victims charts would show consent, rather the person invlolved in this henious crime may have a Rahu-Moon affliction or any such type combination, to make him what he is. Thus there are many factors to be seen in totality. Anyway this is a subject i do not wish to delve in much. Its horrifying and detestable, I am sure you would agree, to talk about much. regards, Bhaskar. , 108ar <bona_mente wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > I've recently come across one case labeled: 'suspects of incest'- So sorry cannot share Birth data /delicate issue, indeed. Behaviorally, /I mean actual behaviour/ this possibility is fairly likely! > > I am curious to see this astrologically. > > Libra lagna /son/, Venus in 4th, Sun Me in 5th, Rahu in 9 th, > Sa, Mo Mars in 12th. Ju on Lagna /or 12 in cuspal chart/ > /we have LL in mother's house, 4th Lord in a dreadful combination, in 12th-bed pleasures? Moon is there and 7th Lord Mars conjoins 4th/and 5th!!!/ Lord Saturn. What would any of you suggest/expect for this poor 24 yr. old? > What kind of help can be introduced anyway, when such a taboo serious issue is to be dealt with.. > > Sa conj Mars and combo squares nodes- man is running Rahu MD and has been hospitalized as a suicide attempt- taken out by mother. > lots of juvenile psychopathy syndrome indicated behaviorally,which I would not considered crucial under the circumstances, since it might be his massive reaction to the general situation. > > What I am sure about is if "that' happened it was not by force. Astro data seem to confirm? > > Incest? > What would be indications, in general? In this case I'd like to hear your impressions, as well. > Hope you'll find this to be an interesting issue./as I did/ > Regards, > Anna > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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