Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Hi everybody. Its not right to say that we have lost our interests in Vedas. There was a reason why our forefathers were not all that willing to share the information mentioned in the Vedas with everybody. Initially, this had nothing to do with caste or clan. Vedas had knowledge so potentially dangerous that if it fell in wrong hands, it could lead to big time disasters. I’m learning astrology from a person who is very well-versed in Vedas and most of our ancient texts. He mentioned once that there are shlokas that could, when chanted properly, even counter the effect of gravity. So access to such powers has to be, obviously, restricted. You don’t go about making nuclear weapons available to just about everybody, do you (well, thanks to the internet, i heard that even those are available right now)? The idea behind minimizing access to these information was to save humanity from itself. Our rishis weren’t people who simply ran away to the jungles because they were social misfits. They were highly evolved brains who had dedicated their lives in search of Knowledge. And Knowledge thus gained has the right to choose its possessors/students. Mike is right when he says that Wisdom doesn’t require dollars and Euros for its survival. It has done very well without it for all these centuries, thank you. When dollars and currencies enter the fray, it usually spells doom and commercialization. Our fathers and grandfathers practiced Hinduism and its highly-evolved customs without bothering to find out why. We do. And, fact is- more people, young and old alike, are interested in knowing about Vedas and our ancient scriptures now than they were about 30 years ago. When the student is really ready, the Guru will appear. Give Him time. This is true even for our ancient texts. feel free to contradict me. regards, Sindhu Madhusudan Mike Hickey <mhickey84 > wrote: Let me offer a different view... well funded, organized and quickly growing organizations are not the way to save the ancient knowledge... if anything they are its bane. As vedic culture spreads outside of India, the only land whose culture is structured in such a way that the ancient Hindu ways are supported on all sides, a certain amount of cultural dilution is the natural and unavoidable result. Weep for the past if you will, it is the Now in which we all must live. Now, as always, there are those with true knowledge who will share it with those who are ready. Now, as in the past, there are those of limited understanding who will wear a mask of wisdom for personal profit. Massive organizations will provide a hiding place for the latter, even if they also are graced with the former. The preservation and passing on of Wisdom is aided more by your personal devotion to the divine than by the passing of dollars from your hands into the hands of others. In any case, It always has and always will survive. With Love Mike , "b_jamnadas" <b_jamna> wrote: > > Hello All, > > This is an issue that has always trouble me but I have not known > what could be done about it.The matter that concerns me is the > gradual decline of knowledge contained in Vedas. Most modern Hindus > (as we are called today) have no knoweledge of the essence of Vedas. > Whatever religious practices we have are based on our observation of > practies followed by our parents and they in turn would have gotten > their knowledge from their parents. Sometimes we try to improvise > our ways based of feedback of people who we feel have a better > undertstadning of some of these principles. Our lack of > undertstanding of our own practices for most times becomes a subject > of ridicule by people of other faiths. Even if you look at a pundit > or a brahmin today, as soon as they have acquired some insight or > knowledge of a practice, are immediately going to sell this > knoweledge as a service. In Toronto Canada today, I can rarely find > a brahmin who truly knows what he is doing....he simply does what > his father has thougt him...and other things that he might have > picked up elsewhere from observations...and shortcut seems to be the > norm of the day....anything that is done, needs to be done in the > shortest possible time. Essentially Vedic knoweledge is on its last > leg and unless something is done about it, the knowledge will be > completely lost. A day will come when our practices will be > ridiculed to such an extent, that a hindu would be embarassed to > publicly admit to being a hindu. > > I think it is always good to discuss spirtitual ideas in this group > but it would be even better if we are able to be a little be more > proactive in doing something to preserve the knowledge and > principles we talk about. I personally feel powerless to do > something about it all alone, but if we all as a group resolve to > finacially contribute to some organisation that is working towards > retaining Vedic knoweledge, that I believe would be very good. I > undertsand that there are a lot of problems facing humanity today > and preservation of Vedic knowledge doesn't seem that important but > I believe it is the deviation from these vedic principles that is > the cuase of much of world's problem....and we are all at liberty to > make our own financial contributions to some charitable organisation > for the needy in society. But just becuase we contribute to one > effort, doesn't mean we cannot contribute to another and ofcourse, > we all contribute based on our means. > > Lets do something...let's identify organisation(s) promoting vedic > knowledge and would really need our support. > > Regards, > Bhupendra. > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 I totally agree with what Sindhu Madhusudan writes. Knowledge should pass on to someone who can digest it and live to it and not to someone who will abuse it. sindhu madhusudan <innereyeopens > wrote: Hi everybody. Its not right to say that we have lost our interests in Vedas. There was a reason why our forefathers were not all that willing to share the information mentioned in the Vedas with everybody. Initially, this had nothing to do with caste or clan. Vedas had knowledge so potentially dangerous that if it fell in wrong hands, it could lead to big time disasters. I’m learning astrology from a person who is very well-versed in Vedas and most of our ancient texts. He mentioned once that there are shlokas that could, when chanted properly, even counter the effect of gravity. So access to such powers has to be, obviously, restricted. You don’t go about making nuclear weapons available to just about everybody, do you (well, thanks to the internet, i heard that even those are available right now)? The idea behind minimizing access to these information was to save humanity from itself. Our rishis weren’t people who simply ran away to the jungles because they were social misfits. They were highly evolved brains who had dedicated their lives in search of Knowledge. And Knowledge thus gained has the right to choose its possessors/students. Mike is right when he says that Wisdom doesn’t require dollars and Euros for its survival. It has done very well without it for all these centuries, thank you. When dollars and currencies enter the fray, it usually spells doom and commercialization. Our fathers and grandfathers practiced Hinduism and its highly-evolved customs without bothering to find out why. We do. And, fact is- more people, young and old alike, are interested in knowing about Vedas and our ancient scriptures now than they were about 30 years ago. When the student is really ready, the Guru will appear. Give Him time. This is true even for our ancient texts. feel free to contradict me. regards, Sindhu Madhusudan Mike Hickey <mhickey84 > wrote: Let me offer a different view... well funded, organized and quickly growing organizations are not the way to save the ancient knowledge... if anything they are its bane. As vedic culture spreads outside of India, the only land whose culture is structured in such a way that the ancient Hindu ways are supported on all sides, a certain amount of cultural dilution is the natural and unavoidable result. Weep for the past if you will, it is the Now in which we all must live. Now, as always, there are those with true knowledge who will share it with those who are ready. Now, as in the past, there are those of limited understanding who will wear a mask of wisdom for personal profit. Massive organizations will provide a hiding place for the latter, even if they also are graced with the former. The preservation and passing on of Wisdom is aided more by your personal devotion to the divine than by the passing of dollars from your hands into the hands of others. In any case, It always has and always will survive. With Love Mike , "b_jamnadas" <b_jamna> wrote: > > Hello All, > > This is an issue that has always trouble me but I have not known > what could be done about it.The matter that concerns me is the > gradual decline of knowledge contained in Vedas. Most modern Hindus > (as we are called today) have no knoweledge of the essence of Vedas. > Whatever religious practices we have are based on our observation of > practies followed by our parents and they in turn would have gotten > their knowledge from their parents. Sometimes we try to improvise > our ways based of feedback of people who we feel have a better > undertstadning of some of these principles. Our lack of > undertstanding of our own practices for most times becomes a subject > of ridicule by people of other faiths. Even if you look at a pundit > or a brahmin today, as soon as they have acquired some insight or > knowledge of a practice, are immediately going to sell this > knoweledge as a service. In Toronto Canada today, I can rarely find > a brahmin who truly knows what he is doing....he simply does what > his father has thougt him...and other things that he might have > picked up elsewhere from observations...and shortcut seems to be the > norm of the day....anything that is done, needs to be done in the > shortest possible time. Essentially Vedic knoweledge is on its last > leg and unless something is done about it, the knowledge will be > completely lost. A day will come when our practices will be > ridiculed to such an extent, that a hindu would be embarassed to > publicly admit to being a hindu. > > I think it is always good to discuss spirtitual ideas in this group > but it would be even better if we are able to be a little be more > proactive in doing something to preserve the knowledge and > principles we talk about. I personally feel powerless to do > something about it all alone, but if we all as a group resolve to > finacially contribute to some organisation that is working towards > retaining Vedic knoweledge, that I believe would be very good. I > undertsand that there are a lot of problems facing humanity today > and preservation of Vedic knowledge doesn't seem that important but > I believe it is the deviation from these vedic principles that is > the cuase of much of world's problem....and we are all at liberty to > make our own financial contributions to some charitable organisation > for the needy in society. But just becuase we contribute to one > effort, doesn't mean we cannot contribute to another and ofcourse, > we all contribute based on our means. > > Lets do something...let's identify organisation(s) promoting vedic > knowledge and would really need our support. > > Regards, > Bhupendra. > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Sarvam sivam, Dear Friend Sindhu Madhusudan, Sorry to confront ur view abt passing the knowledge to selected eligible group only. My friend, this world is for all of us, our father never intend to give one person more or punish other. Like a river and rain, he showers his mercy and shows the ways to reach him. Blessed ones get them correctly and reach him. But what abt the poor souls who not even know or recognise father. Only the sick child needs more care. The one who have enough should help the others who have nothing. That is what for he is provided. I do understand, inproper use of knowledge leads to destruction. But my friend, with out experimenting how could you decide the result?. We have great spiritual gurus/gaints as examples for the unfit turned to worthy. Sivaya namaha Punith Balu , Vijayan Nair <udiyannurappan wrote: > > I totally agree with what Sindhu Madhusudan writes. Knowledge should pass on to someone who can digest it and live to it and not to someone who will abuse it. > > > > sindhu madhusudan <innereyeopens wrote: > Hi everybody. > > > > Its not right to say that we have lost our interests in Vedas. > > > > There was a reason why our forefathers were not all that willing to share the information mentioned in the Vedas with everybody. Initially, this had nothing to do with caste or clan. > > Vedas had knowledge so potentially dangerous that if it fell in wrong hands, it could lead to big time disasters. I'm learning astrology from a person who is very well-versed in Vedas and most of our ancient texts. He mentioned once that there are shlokas that could, when chanted properly, even counter the effect of gravity. So access to such powers has to be, obviously, restricted. You don't go about making nuclear weapons available to just about everybody, do you (well, thanks to the internet, i heard that even those are available right now)? > > > > The idea behind minimizing access to these information was to save humanity from itself. > > Our rishis weren't people who simply ran away to the jungles because they were social misfits. They were highly evolved brains who had dedicated their lives in search of Knowledge. And Knowledge thus gained has the right to choose its possessors/students. > > > Mike is right when he says that Wisdom doesn't require dollars and Euros for its survival. It has done very well without it for all these centuries, thank you. When dollars and currencies enter the fray, it usually spells doom and commercialization. > > > Our fathers and grandfathers practiced Hinduism and its highly- evolved customs without bothering to find out why. We do. And, fact is- more people, young and old alike, are interested in knowing about Vedas and our ancient scriptures now than they were about 30 years ago. > > When the student is really ready, the Guru will appear. Give Him time. This is true even for our ancient texts. > > > feel free to contradict me. > > > > > regards, > > Sindhu Madhusudan > > > > > > > Mike Hickey <mhickey84 wrote: Let me offer a different view... well funded, organized and quickly > growing organizations are not the way to save the ancient > knowledge... if anything they are its bane. As vedic culture spreads > outside of India, the only land whose culture is structured in such a > way that the ancient Hindu ways are supported on all sides, a certain > amount of cultural dilution is the natural and unavoidable result. > Weep for the past if you will, it is the Now in which we all must > live. Now, as always, there are those with true knowledge who will > share it with those who are ready. Now, as in the past, there are > those of limited understanding who will wear a mask of wisdom for > personal profit. Massive organizations will provide a hiding place > for the latter, even if they also are graced with the former. The > preservation and passing on of Wisdom is aided more by your personal > devotion to the divine than by the passing of dollars from your hands > into the hands of others. In any case, It always has and always will > survive. > > With Love > Mike > > , "b_jamnadas" > <b_jamnadas@> wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > This is an issue that has always trouble me but I have not known > > what could be done about it.The matter that concerns me is the > > gradual decline of knowledge contained in Vedas. Most modern Hindus > > (as we are called today) have no knoweledge of the essence of > Vedas. > > Whatever religious practices we have are based on our observation > of > > practies followed by our parents and they in turn would have gotten > > their knowledge from their parents. Sometimes we try to improvise > > our ways based of feedback of people who we feel have a better > > undertstadning of some of these principles. Our lack of > > undertstanding of our own practices for most times becomes a > subject > > of ridicule by people of other faiths. Even if you look at a pundit > > or a brahmin today, as soon as they have acquired some insight or > > knowledge of a practice, are immediately going to sell this > > knoweledge as a service. In Toronto Canada today, I can rarely find > > a brahmin who truly knows what he is doing....he simply does what > > his father has thougt him...and other things that he might have > > picked up elsewhere from observations...and shortcut seems to be > the > > norm of the day....anything that is done, needs to be done in the > > shortest possible time. Essentially Vedic knoweledge is on its last > > leg and unless something is done about it, the knowledge will be > > completely lost. A day will come when our practices will be > > ridiculed to such an extent, that a hindu would be embarassed to > > publicly admit to being a hindu. > > > > I think it is always good to discuss spirtitual ideas in this group > > but it would be even better if we are able to be a little be more > > proactive in doing something to preserve the knowledge and > > principles we talk about. I personally feel powerless to do > > something about it all alone, but if we all as a group resolve to > > finacially contribute to some organisation that is working towards > > retaining Vedic knoweledge, that I believe would be very good. I > > undertsand that there are a lot of problems facing humanity today > > and preservation of Vedic knowledge doesn't seem that important but > > I believe it is the deviation from these vedic principles that is > > the cuase of much of world's problem....and we are all at liberty > to > > make our own financial contributions to some charitable > organisation > > for the needy in society. But just becuase we contribute to one > > effort, doesn't mean we cannot contribute to another and ofcourse, > > we all contribute based on our means. > > > > Lets do something...let's identify organisation(s) promoting vedic > > knowledge and would really need our support. > > > > Regards, > > Bhupendra. > > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Dear Sindhu Madhusudan Ji, Your point of view is certainly correct from a perpective but there is a lot more to Vedas then the dangerous knowledge that you talking about. There are aspects of ethics, politics, medicine and spitiruality as well that is covered in Vedas. If Vedic knowledge were alive and practiced today, most of problems of mankind simply would not exists today. A lot of spritual practices describes in Vedas provides for powerful means of invoking devine grace and with such grace, comes self control, discipline and better understanding of fellow human beings and surrounding nature. It is not a good idea to let this knowledge simply disappear. Take my example for instance. I suffer from indigestion. The problem comes and goes. There was a period of time 2 years back when I was a on soup dirt for over 2 months. Modern medicine had no remedy for this. The doctors tolds me that indigestion is a common problem these days. They prescribed some acid inhibitors but I was not willing to take these medication for lifetime. For one, it caused constipation and second, when i researched this class of medicine, I found that there was a chnace of developing stomach cancer if used is prolonged. I tried homoepathy and naturopathy wihtout any luck. I started to look for ayurvedic options when my friends told me to give up becuase really, there is no one with true knowledge available these days to help me out. I would be throwing my money by going to one. So what options do I have? As far as dangerous knowledge is concerned, every knowledge is dangerous. Right from the day you start learning basic mathematics, you have started taking small steps towards acquiring that knowledge. And by the time you have finished learning high school maths and science, you have gotten enough knowledge to do harm. So as per your suggestions, should schools be closed or should governments screen every student for criminal tendencies before letting them join school? In other words, deny people the right to education just becuase they may potentially harm others? Now talking about money and personal profits. Corruptions is everywhere....doctors, schools, government, police etc. So what to do about that? Do we start closing these institutions? Do we stop paying our taxes to stop fuinding for these? Regardless of corruption, these services provide some normalcy and are actually a requirement. Just imagine a country without government or hospitals? The websites I mentioned provide and promote Vedic education. But they need funds. Unfortunately in present times, nothing could be acheived without money. A priest today requires fees for the services he provides. Similarly an astrologer is advertising his services just so that he/she can earn some money. But if you read Shiva Purana, it is suggested there that no spritual service should be provided for money. Anything gift offered in return for the service rendered should be accepted but service should not be performed with the exopectation of reward. But how many spiritual advises practice this today? It is much better to give money to people who know rather then those who simply claim to know. And how does one get people who really know....by providing funds to organizations that spread such knowledge. In old times, it was the kings and ordinary people performing charities that let ashrams of rishis surivive. Today we need to perform charities. Regards, Bhupendra. , sindhu madhusudan <innereyeopens wrote: > > Hi everybody. > > > > Its not right to say that we have lost our interests in Vedas. > > > > There was a reason why our forefathers were not all that willing to share the information mentioned in the Vedas with everybody. Initially, this had nothing to do with caste or clan. > > Vedas had knowledge so potentially dangerous that if it fell in wrong hands, it could lead to big time disasters. I'm learning astrology from a person who is very well-versed in Vedas and most of our ancient texts. He mentioned once that there are shlokas that could, when chanted properly, even counter the effect of gravity. So access to such powers has to be, obviously, restricted. You don't go about making nuclear weapons available to just about everybody, do you (well, thanks to the internet, i heard that even those are available right now)? > > > > The idea behind minimizing access to these information was to save humanity from itself. > > Our rishis weren't people who simply ran away to the jungles because they were social misfits. They were highly evolved brains who had dedicated their lives in search of Knowledge. And Knowledge thus gained has the right to choose its possessors/students. > > > Mike is right when he says that Wisdom doesn't require dollars and Euros for its survival. It has done very well without it for all these centuries, thank you. When dollars and currencies enter the fray, it usually spells doom and commercialization. > > > Our fathers and grandfathers practiced Hinduism and its highly- evolved customs without bothering to find out why. We do. And, fact is- more people, young and old alike, are interested in knowing about Vedas and our ancient scriptures now than they were about 30 years ago. > > When the student is really ready, the Guru will appear. Give Him time. This is true even for our ancient texts. > > > feel free to contradict me. > > > > > regards, > > Sindhu Madhusudan > > > > > > > Mike Hickey <mhickey84 wrote: Let me offer a different view... well funded, organized and quickly > growing organizations are not the way to save the ancient > knowledge... if anything they are its bane. As vedic culture spreads > outside of India, the only land whose culture is structured in such a > way that the ancient Hindu ways are supported on all sides, a certain > amount of cultural dilution is the natural and unavoidable result. > Weep for the past if you will, it is the Now in which we all must > live. Now, as always, there are those with true knowledge who will > share it with those who are ready. Now, as in the past, there are > those of limited understanding who will wear a mask of wisdom for > personal profit. Massive organizations will provide a hiding place > for the latter, even if they also are graced with the former. The > preservation and passing on of Wisdom is aided more by your personal > devotion to the divine than by the passing of dollars from your hands > into the hands of others. In any case, It always has and always will > survive. > > With Love > Mike > > , "b_jamnadas" > <b_jamnadas@> wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > This is an issue that has always trouble me but I have not known > > what could be done about it.The matter that concerns me is the > > gradual decline of knowledge contained in Vedas. Most modern Hindus > > (as we are called today) have no knoweledge of the essence of > Vedas. > > Whatever religious practices we have are based on our observation > of > > practies followed by our parents and they in turn would have gotten > > their knowledge from their parents. Sometimes we try to improvise > > our ways based of feedback of people who we feel have a better > > undertstadning of some of these principles. Our lack of > > undertstanding of our own practices for most times becomes a > subject > > of ridicule by people of other faiths. Even if you look at a pundit > > or a brahmin today, as soon as they have acquired some insight or > > knowledge of a practice, are immediately going to sell this > > knoweledge as a service. In Toronto Canada today, I can rarely find > > a brahmin who truly knows what he is doing....he simply does what > > his father has thougt him...and other things that he might have > > picked up elsewhere from observations...and shortcut seems to be > the > > norm of the day....anything that is done, needs to be done in the > > shortest possible time. Essentially Vedic knoweledge is on its last > > leg and unless something is done about it, the knowledge will be > > completely lost. A day will come when our practices will be > > ridiculed to such an extent, that a hindu would be embarassed to > > publicly admit to being a hindu. > > > > I think it is always good to discuss spirtitual ideas in this group > > but it would be even better if we are able to be a little be more > > proactive in doing something to preserve the knowledge and > > principles we talk about. I personally feel powerless to do > > something about it all alone, but if we all as a group resolve to > > finacially contribute to some organisation that is working towards > > retaining Vedic knoweledge, that I believe would be very good. I > > undertsand that there are a lot of problems facing humanity today > > and preservation of Vedic knowledge doesn't seem that important but > > I believe it is the deviation from these vedic principles that is > > the cuase of much of world's problem....and we are all at liberty > to > > make our own financial contributions to some charitable > organisation > > for the needy in society. But just becuase we contribute to one > > effort, doesn't mean we cannot contribute to another and ofcourse, > > we all contribute based on our means. > > > > Lets do something...let's identify organisation(s) promoting vedic > > knowledge and would really need our support. > > > > Regards, > > Bhupendra. > > > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Namaskaram to all, I have been noticing the discussion on the subject of DECLINING VEDA STUDY. I am really happy to see the involvment of many SATSANGis who are normally seem to be silent. They enjoy reading the discussions than to comment up on. May I too express my views please? I am not in USA nor in Europe, but most of the time in India and partly travelling to other parts. I have been a student of VEDANTA for the past two or three years. I am afraid that there is a lot of misunderstandings about VEDA AND VEDANTA STUDY. 1. First of all we need to understand that NO KNOWLEDGE is HARMFUL nor DISTRUCTIVE.. It is the human being that is having the problem. So even with VEDA and VEDANTA the situation is no different. 2. What is fear? Fear is always about things that is not known. Knowledge removes the fear. So we need not be fearful of Knowledge in wrong hands going to be distructive and so we need to restrict the spread of the knowledge. 3. Any student of VEDA AND VEDANTA knows that ultimately MOKSHA - if there is something like that - is possible only thru the understanding of TAT TVAM ASI and that knowledge is possible only by working towards that. Merely telling ourselves that is not going to help us since in our vyvaharika life, we have continuously situations that cause confusion ( which people say due to MAYA) and one can get clarity of vision from confusion only when one has the KNOWLEDGE and that is possible only when one works towards gaining that. 4. This i felt like stating only to dispell any fear one may have about spreading of VEDA and VEDANTA. ++++++++++ Now I may also bring to your notice some info on what some of the people in other countries are doing to GAIN this knowledge. 1. They have formed GITA study groups. Each group is only about 10 or 12 people and they meet once a week atleast in one of the participants house. They use Gita study books, read, discuss etc. Some times they listen to audio or video of certain GURUs like Sw Chinmayananda, Sw Dayanandaji, Sw Paramarthananda, etc. 2. When they have doubts, they also interact with insititutions like CHINMAYA MISSION, ARSHA VIDYA GURUKULAM etc and atleast to best of my knowledge ARSHA VIDYA GURUKULAM very often respond to the querries. Also they have several camps even in USA etc and participating in these camps help us in improving our own knowledge and then in SATSANG we can exchange the info that we have with others. 3. These study groups in various countries have even groups for children in different age groups. There is some carriculam prepared by SW DHIRA CHAITANYA from Chennai and this is well defined for primary, intermediate and advanced age groups of children. The POORNA VIDYA groups helps train the interested LADIES and GENTS and after their learning the subjects, they can teach the children too while they can also proceed with further study in the adult groups. 4. I was very glad to note that in one place ( outside India) i was told that they have trained 180 such teachers and here I was witnessing during NAVARATHRI CELEBERATIONS, every day for 9 days, the ladies were the performing priests. The function was daily in different houses and nearly 50 to 70 members were participating in each house in the evening. After the pooja two or three children were also given chance to speak for 3 to 5 minutes on any topic connected with our scriptures. ++++++++ There may be certain portions of VEDA that need to be recited accurately. Normally these are if at all taught by knowledgable ones and the ones who teach these will always see if the student has the capability (YOGYATHA) - not on the basis of cast but his capability - knowledge of sanskrit etc. And if these are taught by some who themselves dont know , then we need not worry since the LAW OF KARMA will take care of that also. I would like to end up this posting with one point. More than studying VEDA AND VEDANTA, we need to understand SANATANA DHARMA and LAW OF KARMA. Law of Karma is a complex subject, but with the understanding of SANATANA DHARMA, the Law of Karma also will slowly become clear. Study of Gita is the best and once one starts with this, one can see how this life becomes a beautiful one - stress free one. THERE IS NO DISEASE WORSE THAN POVERTY THERE IS NO POVERTY WORSE THAN IGNORANCE. namaskaram mymy062004 <mymy062004 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Sarvam sivam, Dear Friend Sindhu Madhusudan, Sorry to confront ur view abt passing the knowledge to selected eligible group only. My friend, this world is for all of us, our father never intend to give one person more or punish other. Like a river and rain, he showers his mercy and shows the ways to reach him. Blessed ones get them correctly and reach him. But what abt the poor souls who not even know or recognise father. Only the sick child needs more care. The one who have enough should help the others who have nothing. That is what for he is provided. I do understand, inproper use of knowledge leads to destruction. But my friend, with out experimenting how could you decide the result?. We have great spiritual gurus/gaints as examples for the unfit turned to worthy. Sivaya namaha Punith Balu , Vijayan Nair <udiyannurappan wrote: > > I totally agree with what Sindhu Madhusudan writes. Knowledge should pass on to someone who can digest it and live to it and not to someone who will abuse it. > > > > sindhu madhusudan <innereyeopens wrote: > Hi everybody. > > > > Its not right to say that we have lost our interests in Vedas. > > > > There was a reason why our forefathers were not all that willing to share the information mentioned in the Vedas with everybody. Initially, this had nothing to do with caste or clan. > > Vedas had knowledge so potentially dangerous that if it fell in wrong hands, it could lead to big time disasters. I'm learning astrology from a person who is very well-versed in Vedas and most of our ancient texts. He mentioned once that there are shlokas that could, when chanted properly, even counter the effect of gravity. So access to such powers has to be, obviously, restricted. You don't go about making nuclear weapons available to just about everybody, do you (well, thanks to the internet, i heard that even those are available right now)? > > > > The idea behind minimizing access to these information was to save humanity from itself. > > Our rishis weren't people who simply ran away to the jungles because they were social misfits. They were highly evolved brains who had dedicated their lives in search of Knowledge. And Knowledge thus gained has the right to choose its possessors/students. > > > Mike is right when he says that Wisdom doesn't require dollars and Euros for its survival. It has done very well without it for all these centuries, thank you. When dollars and currencies enter the fray, it usually spells doom and commercialization. > > > Our fathers and grandfathers practiced Hinduism and its highly- evolved customs without bothering to find out why. We do. And, fact is- more people, young and old alike, are interested in knowing about Vedas and our ancient scriptures now than they were about 30 years ago. > > When the student is really ready, the Guru will appear. Give Him time. This is true even for our ancient texts. > > > feel free to contradict me. > > > > > regards, > > Sindhu Madhusudan > > > > > > > Mike Hickey <mhickey84 wrote: Let me offer a different view... well funded, organized and quickly > growing organizations are not the way to save the ancient > knowledge... if anything they are its bane. As vedic culture spreads > outside of India, the only land whose culture is structured in such a > way that the ancient Hindu ways are supported on all sides, a certain > amount of cultural dilution is the natural and unavoidable result. > Weep for the past if you will, it is the Now in which we all must > live. Now, as always, there are those with true knowledge who will > share it with those who are ready. Now, as in the past, there are > those of limited understanding who will wear a mask of wisdom for > personal profit. Massive organizations will provide a hiding place > for the latter, even if they also are graced with the former. The > preservation and passing on of Wisdom is aided more by your personal > devotion to the divine than by the passing of dollars from your hands > into the hands of others. In any case, It always has and always will > survive. > > With Love > Mike > > , "b_jamnadas" > <b_jamnadas@> wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > This is an issue that has always trouble me but I have not known > > what could be done about it.The matter that concerns me is the > > gradual decline of knowledge contained in Vedas. Most modern Hindus > > (as we are called today) have no knoweledge of the essence of > Vedas. > > Whatever religious practices we have are based on our observation > of > > practies followed by our parents and they in turn would have gotten > > their knowledge from their parents. Sometimes we try to improvise > > our ways based of feedback of people who we feel have a better > > undertstadning of some of these principles. Our lack of > > undertstanding of our own practices for most times becomes a > subject > > of ridicule by people of other faiths. Even if you look at a pundit > > or a brahmin today, as soon as they have acquired some insight or > > knowledge of a practice, are immediately going to sell this > > knoweledge as a service. In Toronto Canada today, I can rarely find > > a brahmin who truly knows what he is doing....he simply does what > > his father has thougt him...and other things that he might have > > picked up elsewhere from observations...and shortcut seems to be > the > > norm of the day....anything that is done, needs to be done in the > > shortest possible time. Essentially Vedic knoweledge is on its last > > leg and unless something is done about it, the knowledge will be > > completely lost. A day will come when our practices will be > > ridiculed to such an extent, that a hindu would be embarassed to > > publicly admit to being a hindu. > > > > I think it is always good to discuss spirtitual ideas in this group > > but it would be even better if we are able to be a little be more > > proactive in doing something to preserve the knowledge and > > principles we talk about. I personally feel powerless to do > > something about it all alone, but if we all as a group resolve to > > finacially contribute to some organisation that is working towards > > retaining Vedic knoweledge, that I believe would be very good. I > > undertsand that there are a lot of problems facing humanity today > > and preservation of Vedic knowledge doesn't seem that important but > > I believe it is the deviation from these vedic principles that is > > the cuase of much of world's problem....and we are all at liberty > to > > make our own financial contributions to some charitable > organisation > > for the needy in society. But just becuase we contribute to one > > effort, doesn't mean we cannot contribute to another and ofcourse, > > we all contribute based on our means. > > > > Lets do something...let's identify organisation(s) promoting vedic > > knowledge and would really need our support. > > > > Regards, > > Bhupendra. > > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Punith, I was talking about the worth/eligibility of the individual student. not groups. "group" always is a bad idea. - Sindhu mymy062004 <mymy062004 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Sarvam sivam, Dear Friend Sindhu Madhusudan, Sorry to confront ur view abt passing the knowledge to selected eligible group only. My friend, this world is for all of us, our father never intend to give one person more or punish other. Like a river and rain, he showers his mercy and shows the ways to reach him. Blessed ones get them correctly and reach him. But what abt the poor souls who not even know or recognise father. Only the sick child needs more care. The one who have enough should help the others who have nothing. That is what for he is provided. I do understand, inproper use of knowledge leads to destruction. But my friend, with out experimenting how could you decide the result?. We have great spiritual gurus/gaints as examples for the unfit turned to worthy. Sivaya namaha Punith Balu , Vijayan Nair <udiyannurappan wrote: > > I totally agree with what Sindhu Madhusudan writes. Knowledge should pass on to someone who can digest it and live to it and not to someone who will abuse it. > > > > sindhu madhusudan <innereyeopens wrote: > Hi everybody. > > > > Its not right to say that we have lost our interests in Vedas. > > > > There was a reason why our forefathers were not all that willing to share the information mentioned in the Vedas with everybody. Initially, this had nothing to do with caste or clan. > > Vedas had knowledge so potentially dangerous that if it fell in wrong hands, it could lead to big time disasters. I'm learning astrology from a person who is very well-versed in Vedas and most of our ancient texts. He mentioned once that there are shlokas that could, when chanted properly, even counter the effect of gravity. So access to such powers has to be, obviously, restricted. You don't go about making nuclear weapons available to just about everybody, do you (well, thanks to the internet, i heard that even those are available right now)? > > > > The idea behind minimizing access to these information was to save humanity from itself. > > Our rishis weren't people who simply ran away to the jungles because they were social misfits. They were highly evolved brains who had dedicated their lives in search of Knowledge. And Knowledge thus gained has the right to choose its possessors/students. > > > Mike is right when he says that Wisdom doesn't require dollars and Euros for its survival. It has done very well without it for all these centuries, thank you. When dollars and currencies enter the fray, it usually spells doom and commercialization. > > > Our fathers and grandfathers practiced Hinduism and its highly- evolved customs without bothering to find out why. We do. And, fact is- more people, young and old alike, are interested in knowing about Vedas and our ancient scriptures now than they were about 30 years ago. > > When the student is really ready, the Guru will appear. Give Him time. This is true even for our ancient texts. > > > feel free to contradict me. > > > > > regards, > > Sindhu Madhusudan > > > > > > > Mike Hickey <mhickey84 wrote: Let me offer a different view... well funded, organized and quickly > growing organizations are not the way to save the ancient > knowledge... if anything they are its bane. As vedic culture spreads > outside of India, the only land whose culture is structured in such a > way that the ancient Hindu ways are supported on all sides, a certain > amount of cultural dilution is the natural and unavoidable result. > Weep for the past if you will, it is the Now in which we all must > live. Now, as always, there are those with true knowledge who will > share it with those who are ready. Now, as in the past, there are > those of limited understanding who will wear a mask of wisdom for > personal profit. Massive organizations will provide a hiding place > for the latter, even if they also are graced with the former. The > preservation and passing on of Wisdom is aided more by your personal > devotion to the divine than by the passing of dollars from your hands > into the hands of others. In any case, It always has and always will > survive. > > With Love > Mike > > , "b_jamnadas" > <b_jamnadas@> wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > This is an issue that has always trouble me but I have not known > > what could be done about it.The matter that concerns me is the > > gradual decline of knowledge contained in Vedas. Most modern Hindus > > (as we are called today) have no knoweledge of the essence of > Vedas. > > Whatever religious practices we have are based on our observation > of > > practies followed by our parents and they in turn would have gotten > > their knowledge from their parents. Sometimes we try to improvise > > our ways based of feedback of people who we feel have a better > > undertstadning of some of these principles. Our lack of > > undertstanding of our own practices for most times becomes a > subject > > of ridicule by people of other faiths. Even if you look at a pundit > > or a brahmin today, as soon as they have acquired some insight or > > knowledge of a practice, are immediately going to sell this > > knoweledge as a service. In Toronto Canada today, I can rarely find > > a brahmin who truly knows what he is doing....he simply does what > > his father has thougt him...and other things that he might have > > picked up elsewhere from observations...and shortcut seems to be > the > > norm of the day....anything that is done, needs to be done in the > > shortest possible time. Essentially Vedic knoweledge is on its last > > leg and unless something is done about it, the knowledge will be > > completely lost. A day will come when our practices will be > > ridiculed to such an extent, that a hindu would be embarassed to > > publicly admit to being a hindu. > > > > I think it is always good to discuss spirtitual ideas in this group > > but it would be even better if we are able to be a little be more > > proactive in doing something to preserve the knowledge and > > principles we talk about. I personally feel powerless to do > > something about it all alone, but if we all as a group resolve to > > finacially contribute to some organisation that is working towards > > retaining Vedic knoweledge, that I believe would be very good. I > > undertsand that there are a lot of problems facing humanity today > > and preservation of Vedic knowledge doesn't seem that important but > > I believe it is the deviation from these vedic principles that is > > the cuase of much of world's problem....and we are all at liberty > to > > make our own financial contributions to some charitable > organisation > > for the needy in society. But just becuase we contribute to one > > effort, doesn't mean we cannot contribute to another and ofcourse, > > we all contribute based on our means. > > > > Lets do something...let's identify organisation(s) promoting vedic > > knowledge and would really need our support. > > > > Regards, > > Bhupendra. > > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Any student of VEDA AND VEDANTA knows that ultimately MOKSHA - if there is something like that - is possible only thru the understanding of TAT TVAM ASI and that knowledge is possible only by working towards that. That I Am what is That - that we are we can only state what we are not Neti Neti Neti all the mind percieves is Neti (I am not this ) this moksha does not exist when one is said to be enlightened there is no one there to be enlightened there is just consciousness that appears to be people places and things as long as you percieve yourself to be a human there will be no enlightenment the search for moksha removes it from your sight sadhana ripes the jiva so it may drop nama and rupa (name and form) revealing it's true nature which was there all along just being stops the madness to just be reveals the Supreme Atma don't be this or that just be Shivo'ham Love baba "Let my every word be a prayer to Thee, Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee, Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image, Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee, Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet; Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do, Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee." From Verse 27 of Shankara's Saundaryalahari Share your latest news with your friends with the Windows Live Spaces friends module. __._,_.___ Terms of Use | Un Recent Activity 14 New Members Visit Your Group Mail You're invited! Try the all-new Mail Beta Y! Messenger Files to share? Send up to 1GB of files in an IM. Photos Order at Pick up at Target . __,_._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Sarvam sivam, Dear Friend ram mohan, I totally agree with your view. A very dangerious disease of a nation/ organisation is ignorance/unwilling to learn. Good things have their own effects. With out the conscience they make good impact on one who practice them whoever they. The good example is Ravana's conscience when he wore the Rama-rupam. Sivaya namaha Punith Balu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Dear All, Vedanta is one of the world's most ancient religious philosophies and one of its broadest. Based on the Vedas, the sacred scriptures of India, Vedanta affirms the oneness of existence, the divinity of the soul, and the harmony of religions. Vedanta is the philosophical foundation of Hinduism; but while Hinduism includes aspects of Indian culture, Vedanta is universal in its application and is equally relevant to all countries, all cultures, and all religious backgrounds. A closer look at the word "Vedanta" is revealing: "Vedanta" is a combination of two words: "Veda" which means "knowledge" and "anta" which means "the end of" or "the goal of." In this context the goal of knowledge isn't intellectual—the limited knowledge we acquire by reading books. "Knowledge" here means the knowledge of God as well as the knowledge of our own divine nature. Vedanta, then, is the search for Self-knowledge as well as the search for God. What do we mean when we say God? According to Vedanta, God is infinite existence, infinite consciousness, and infinite bliss. The term for this impersonal, transcendent reality is Brahman, the divine ground of being. Yet Vedanta also maintains that God can be personal as well, assuming human form in every age. Most importantly, God dwells within our own hearts as the divine Self or Atman. The Atman is never born nor will it ever die. Neither stained by our failings nor affected by the fluctuations of the body or mind, the Atman is not subject to our grief or despair or disease or ignorance. Pure, perfect, free from limitations, the Atman, Vedanta declares, is one with Brahman. The greatest temple of God lies within the human heart. Vedanta further asserts that the goal of human life is to realize and manifest our divinity. Not only is this possible, it is inevitable. Our real nature is divine; God-realization is our birthright. Sooner or later, we will all manifest our divinity— either in this or in future lives—for the greatest truth of our existence is our own divine nature. Finally, Vedanta affirms that all religions teach the same basic truths about God, the world, and our relationship to one another. Thousands of years ago the Rig Veda declared: "Truth is one, sages call it by various names." The world's religions offer varying approaches to God, each one true and valid, each religion offering the world a unique and irreplaceable path to God-realization. The conflicting messages we find among religions are due more to doctrine and dogma than to the reality of spiritual experience. While dissimilarities exist in the external observances of the world religions, the internals bear remarkable similarities. I request members lead a path in search of Lord Shiva than participate in these threads which only confuse us. Thanking u, Best wishes Shiva .S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Hello, The secret of Vedas is an open secret. If you want it and you deserve it. You will find it. The vedas, the vedantas, the so called minor upanishads. What do you want to find? That is the question only you can answer. The Gayatri can be the Brahmastra. The Gayatri can be used for shasth karmas. But do you want to under utilise the power you already have. I would suggest, digest whats in your mouth. Think of the chappan bhog later. Pray to Shiv-Shivaa to grant you with the humility to deserve the knowledge and the capability to digest the same. Ah, what a man could wish! Understanding of the so called secrets of the Vedas in book, translated to lucid English. May I ask where does the Reserve Bank of United Kingdom keep its gold. Try to find that answer first before asking for the gems of Vedas. All the best and best Regards, Jay PS: Some one mentioned about acidity. Try eating just 1/3rd full. 1/3rd air and 1/3rd water approximately . Try Pashimotanasana, Matsyendra or Ardha Matsyendra Asana, Vajrasana along with Nauli and Brahma Datuna. You will not need medication in 10 days. Sneak preview the all-new .com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 The deepest secrets can be shouted from the rooftops, yet only those who are ready will comprehend them. There is no need to deny teaching or love or light to any person... the laws of nature work in such a way that power will not be gained until the maturity to use it is first developed, with no need of human intervention. If anything, the mere fact that someone is seeking knowledge is a pretty good sign that they are at a stage where they are ready for it, or nearly so. , "mymy062004" <mymy062004 wrote: > > > Sarvam sivam, > > Dear Friend Sindhu Madhusudan, > > Sorry to confront ur view abt passing the knowledge to selected > eligible group only. > > My friend, this world is for all of us, our father never intend to > give one person more or punish other. > > Like a river and rain, he showers his mercy and shows the ways to > reach him. Blessed ones get them correctly and reach him. But what > abt the poor souls who not even know or recognise father. > > Only the sick child needs more care. The one who have enough should > help the others who have nothing. That is what for he is provided. > > I do understand, inproper use of knowledge leads to destruction. But > my friend, with out experimenting how could you decide the result?. > We have great spiritual gurus/gaints as examples for the unfit > turned to worthy. > > > > Sivaya namaha > > Punith Balu > > > > , Vijayan Nair > <udiyannurappan@> wrote: > > > > I totally agree with what Sindhu Madhusudan writes. Knowledge > should pass on to someone who can digest it and live to it and not > to someone who will abuse it. > > > > > > > > sindhu madhusudan <innereyeopens@> wrote: > > Hi everybody. > > > > > > > > Its not right to say that we have lost our interests in Vedas. > > > > > > > > There was a reason why our forefathers were not all that willing > to share the information mentioned in the Vedas with everybody. > Initially, this had nothing to do with caste or clan. > > > > Vedas had knowledge so potentially dangerous that if it fell in > wrong hands, it could lead to big time disasters. I'm learning > astrology from a person who is very well-versed in Vedas and most of > our ancient texts. He mentioned once that there are shlokas that > could, when chanted properly, even counter the effect of gravity. So > access to such powers has to be, obviously, restricted. You don't go > about making nuclear weapons available to just about everybody, do > you (well, thanks to the internet, i heard that even those are > available right now)? > > > > > > > > The idea behind minimizing access to these information was to > save humanity from itself. > > > > Our rishis weren't people who simply ran away to the jungles > because they were social misfits. They were highly evolved brains > who had dedicated their lives in search of Knowledge. And Knowledge > thus gained has the right to choose its possessors/students. > > > > > > Mike is right when he says that Wisdom doesn't require dollars > and Euros for its survival. It has done very well without it for all > these centuries, thank you. When dollars and currencies enter the > fray, it usually spells doom and commercialization. > > > > > > Our fathers and grandfathers practiced Hinduism and its highly- > evolved customs without bothering to find out why. We do. And, fact > is- more people, young and old alike, are interested in knowing > about Vedas and our ancient scriptures now than they were about 30 > years ago. > > > > When the student is really ready, the Guru will appear. Give Him > time. This is true even for our ancient texts. > > > > > > feel free to contradict me. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Sindhu Madhusudan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Hickey <mhickey84@> wrote: Let me offer a different > view... well funded, organized and quickly > > growing organizations are not the way to save the ancient > > knowledge... if anything they are its bane. As vedic culture > spreads > > outside of India, the only land whose culture is structured in > such a > > way that the ancient Hindu ways are supported on all sides, a > certain > > amount of cultural dilution is the natural and unavoidable result. > > Weep for the past if you will, it is the Now in which we all must > > live. Now, as always, there are those with true knowledge who will > > share it with those who are ready. Now, as in the past, there are > > those of limited understanding who will wear a mask of wisdom for > > personal profit. Massive organizations will provide a hiding place > > for the latter, even if they also are graced with the former. The > > preservation and passing on of Wisdom is aided more by your > personal > > devotion to the divine than by the passing of dollars from your > hands > > into the hands of others. In any case, It always has and always > will > > survive. > > > > With Love > > Mike > > > > , "b_jamnadas" > > <b_jamnadas@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > This is an issue that has always trouble me but I have not known > > > what could be done about it.The matter that concerns me is the > > > gradual decline of knowledge contained in Vedas. Most modern > Hindus > > > (as we are called today) have no knoweledge of the essence of > > Vedas. > > > Whatever religious practices we have are based on our > observation > > of > > > practies followed by our parents and they in turn would have > gotten > > > their knowledge from their parents. Sometimes we try to > improvise > > > our ways based of feedback of people who we feel have a better > > > undertstadning of some of these principles. Our lack of > > > undertstanding of our own practices for most times becomes a > > subject > > > of ridicule by people of other faiths. Even if you look at a > pundit > > > or a brahmin today, as soon as they have acquired some insight > or > > > knowledge of a practice, are immediately going to sell this > > > knoweledge as a service. In Toronto Canada today, I can rarely > find > > > a brahmin who truly knows what he is doing....he simply does > what > > > his father has thougt him...and other things that he might have > > > picked up elsewhere from observations...and shortcut seems to be > > the > > > norm of the day....anything that is done, needs to be done in > the > > > shortest possible time. Essentially Vedic knoweledge is on its > last > > > leg and unless something is done about it, the knowledge will be > > > completely lost. A day will come when our practices will be > > > ridiculed to such an extent, that a hindu would be embarassed to > > > publicly admit to being a hindu. > > > > > > I think it is always good to discuss spirtitual ideas in this > group > > > but it would be even better if we are able to be a little be > more > > > proactive in doing something to preserve the knowledge and > > > principles we talk about. I personally feel powerless to do > > > something about it all alone, but if we all as a group resolve > to > > > finacially contribute to some organisation that is working > towards > > > retaining Vedic knoweledge, that I believe would be very good. I > > > undertsand that there are a lot of problems facing humanity > today > > > and preservation of Vedic knowledge doesn't seem that important > but > > > I believe it is the deviation from these vedic principles that > is > > > the cuase of much of world's problem....and we are all at > liberty > > to > > > make our own financial contributions to some charitable > > organisation > > > for the needy in society. But just becuase we contribute to one > > > effort, doesn't mean we cannot contribute to another and > ofcourse, > > > we all contribute based on our means. > > > > > > Lets do something...let's identify organisation(s) promoting > vedic > > > knowledge and would really need our support. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Bhupendra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger > Version 8. Get it NOW > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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