Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Dear Shri Bharatji and Dear Shri Sateeshji, My duty to say last few words of thanks. While I appreciate your good counsel to mantain the smooth atmosphere and peace which a divine Forum devoted to astrology should have,and asking me to relent and refrain from any further exchange, I believe you did this with a understanding that one can advise only a family member cause he will listen and not others. But along with this option I hope you have kept me guarded with your strong sheath of protection, for I would now otherwise be open for any assaults , since I have to be a elder brother and show goodness and maturity, which is also necessary I agree. At the same time, I also wish to thank Shri Atmagnaniji, and admire his courage and power of strong moral convictions for him being able to directly confront the perpetrator, for his continous digs at me, which no one else had the guts to do here. I was actually fighting a lone battle here and just keeping patience so that the atmosphere is not spoilt. I remember Yudhishtara when he went up on the final lap of his earthly sojourn, on the top of Kailasa , he did not leave the four legged companion neither here nor in the gates of heaven where he was not allowed. In any gathering when we see any injustice, either one should have the power to defy it, or else leave the gathering. Shri Atmagnaniji had the inner strength and not bothering for the implications and though it was not his own fight, he took up for a right cause, this firmness of character is not seen commonly. Such men even if given all the Gold of the world would not act against their consciousness and moral righteousness & thinking. This mail was to just convey my gratitude, and not opening any issue, if its closed. Best wishes, Bhaskar. , "atma_gnan" <atma_gnan wrote: > > Dear Bharatji > > The point of such an email is in fact profound, as despite constant > requests from Bhaskarji, Pandit Arjun to end the matter Ramapriya > has persistently prolonged the issue with cheap shots. This, as you > have mentioned is not in line with the attitude/mannerisms expected > in a forum which is graced with so many leanred astrologers. I have > said my bit and it has ended there. No need to respond. > , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Sri Atma Gyan > > > > Sir, the matter has stopped and please get back to Astrology > discussions. No > > point in such emails. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > On 11/29/06, atma_gnan <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ramapriya > > > > > > I am disturbed by your malicious, spiteful and the extremely > black > > > sarcasm that you have used in your recent posts with reference to > > > Bhaskarji. Whatever weaknesses he may have they are incomparable > to > > > the vermin-esque stance that you have adopted which is totally of > > > vogue with the tone of this list. > > > > > > Please refrain from your malefic compulsions however difficult > they > > > may be to resist. I can assure you that your are the only sadist > > > soul that is deriving any iota of amusement from your petulant > > > messages. > > > > > > <% > 40>, "D > > > Ramapriya" <ramapriya.d@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Yikes! You just forwarded me something that I hadn't received > > > ('From the > > > > turd', 'Delete from server' in operation). I hope not to > receive > > > other mails > > > > with that troll's messages attached. > > > > > > > > I utterly concur with you, btw. Well put. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/29/06, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Rampriya, Sri Chandrashekhar and Sri Bhaskar > > > > > > > > > > Such emails have no value and I request you all to please > finish > > > this > > > > > thread > > > > > here itself. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Dear Ramapriya, I know you will never want to hurt me. I was writing to Bhaskarji, who appeared hurt that I did not address him in that style as was apparent from one of his mail in answer to yours and a few of others. Take care, Chandrashekhar. D Ramapriya wrote: > > > > On 11/28/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > >> > > >> > > Dear Bhaskarji, >> > > >> > > I am not hurt. I only wanted answers to my questions. >> > > >> > > > > Please be reasonable in what you expect. What you want is "pertaining to > > Standard first of school" and nothing but "a precious wasteage of time, > > having to explain such prelimnaries". > > > > Chandrashekharji, I may be a boorish, pompous prat who thinks nothing of > > slandering everyone else with crass moronic utterances but I honestly > > didn't > > mean to hurt you. > > > > Ramapriya _________ All New Mail – Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Dear Bhaskarji, It appears that I have hurt you by requesting answer to my two simple questions. The answer to those question would have demonstrated why bhava chalit is not followed by many astrologers to day and was not followed by the sages. I see that you are very angry on account of my persistence in asking for the answers to simple questions and have started calling names. I do not know how being pious or otherwise enters into astrological discussions. I do not remember to have claimed to be so. If I did claim so, would you or anybody else be kind enough to point where I have made such a claim in my mails? I shall not only be obliged but stand corrected. I asked you two simple questions on bhava chalit as you made some sweeping statements denigrating other astrologers who do not consider Bhava Chalit to be Arsha system and therefore do not follow it. So please read your own mails before you start casting stones at others. By the way, I have never claimed to be a complete astrologer, much less the greatest of them all. That position you have already stated to be occupied by those who pass out through institute X o Y or Z. I am only a student of astrology and have much to learn. I am content to remain a student of this divine science till I breath my last. Since you are much disturbed, now, this shall be my last mail on the topic. Chandrashekhar. Bhaskar wrote: > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > You are not as pious as is been projected, I have been wanting to say > this. From thestarting you are mantaining the attack in a polite way, > which never went unnoticed. > > // I am amazed at your assumption that I do not know what is Bhava > Chalit. > > It is also surprising that you are not aware whence Bhava Chalit > concept > > originated when you call everybody who supposedly does not know > what is > > Bhava Chalit, an ignoramus.// > > The way your initial mails came and you asked about Bhava Chalit, > anybody would think the way it was thought. I never say that all those > who do not know Bhava Chalit are ignomarus. That is wrong > projection and twisting of what was written and presented to the > readers in a wrong way, which also has been done by you continously > from the start. My anger is only for those persons frolicking > themselves as astrologers and claiming that they are in this field > since last 30-40 years, but yet have to ask such kiddish queries on > Bhava Chalit. > > // would also like to point out that Dr. B.V. Raman was the grandson > of > > B. Suryanarain Rao, and not his Son as said by you. I was seeking > your > > opinion on B. Suryanarain Rao' views, as they are diametrically > > opposite to those held by you. It appears you think he was an > > insignificant astrologer, an opinion that I am sure not shared by > many > > including those who started the Jyotish course in BVB.// > > Again You misunderstood. And twisting the facts for readers to get > wrong meaning, especially those who do not have time to read the full > exchanges between us. Prof SuryaNarayans son who was Dr. BV Ramans > father did not have much mathematical acumen, > (As far as I remember,have read his books long ago-My experiences in > Astrology),which flaw or whatever you may call it , Dr BV Raman > did not want to continue or have in himself, thats why he wanted to > learn the Mathematics part properly. It can never appear to me that > Prof Suryanarayan rao can be an insignificant astrologer, but it > seems that you are wanting to sayit, firing the gun on my > shoulders. Dont talk in this manner of respectable Gurus please. > > //Istead of all these lengthy answers, it would have been better had > you > > given answers to my two simple queries which, as a master of both > > astronomy and Bhava Chalit system, should be child's play for you.// > > You actuallyrequire only 2 liners, and not so much time wasted ,which > has been done by me. Again you are using sarcasm here > as you have done always, when you say that as a master... > Please note that I am not bound to answer you neither wish to. > > And when this matter has been closed do not bring it up > again and again. > But please spend your energies on showing the Members and gaining > their sympathy about your life spent in astrology for so many decades, > and also spirituality. Do not imprtess me. I do not get impressed > easily Sir. > > Hope now at least you will havesomething better to do,rather than > bring this issue up again and again. Please note that I do not have > time to waste on kiddish exchanges trying to prove one up. > > If You wish me to say so then, Okay, You are the best and all > fools are the rest. Do notput others to test. Leave me alone in > my nest. > > Bhaskar. > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > I am amazed at your assumption that I do not know what is Bhava > Chalit. > > It is also surprising that you are not aware whence Bhava Chalit > concept > > originated when you call everybody who supposedly does not know > what is > > Bhava Chalit, an ignoramus. > > > > I would also like to point out that Dr. B.V. Raman was the grandson > of > > B. Suryanarain Rao, and not his Son as said by you. I was seeking > your > > opinion on B. Suryanarain Rao' views, as they are diametrically > > opposite to those held by you. It appears you think he was an > > insignificant astrologer, an opinion that I am sure not shared by > many > > including those who started the Jyotish course in BVB. > > > > Instead of all these lengthy answers, it would have been better had > you > > given answers to my two simple queries which, as a master of both > > astronomy and Bhava Chalit system, should be child's play for you. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > I gor incensed only because any good astrologer is expected to > know > > > what Bhava Chalit means, and actually all the traditional > > > Brahmin astrologers know about this who have learnt from a Guru. > > > They may not know english but know what Bhava chalit means. > > > So when one asks this basic question then it seems audacious > > > because he is expected to know this.This is not Sayana by the way. > > > That is why the strong language is used because it seems > > > sacrilgeous of a astrologer not knowing what Bhava Chalit is > > > after having practised for 30-40 years. > > > > > > I have never said that the systems antiquity is just 30 years old, > > > but have mentioned that people knew about it and was widely taken > use > > > of uptil even 30-40 years back, and even today by traditional > > > astrologers. The modern lot dont want to do hard work.They just > want > > > name and fame after reading 2 books on astrology on roadside > > > and are self prophesed astrologers. > > > > > > It is not necessary for one to know mathematics to be able to > > > predict, is what one line of schools thinks, which may be right > > > considering that there were not many confusions and most > > > were living a regulated lifestyle few decades back, where > > > people had more intuition power. Today things are different, > > > a person has to be a specialist. nd the life style of today > > > does not empower some Tom,Dick and Harry any intuitions. > > > > > > Prof Suryanarayanjis times were different, and if You have read > his > > > son Dr.BV Ramans astrology books properky then You would find > that he > > > has also laid emphasis on learning the mathematical part. > > > > > > If a person has not learnt mathematical part, he will never know > what > > > does the difference in 1 degree in Planet or Bhava will bring > effects > > > and where, and neither able to rectify the birth times, and will > > > never be able to predict with surety or time the events. If by > > > law of probability one is able to earn a strike rate of 50% > success > > > that does not imply that its the right way. > > > > > > Affixing ji- > > > These are too small things to hurt me, I just made my point that I > > > had always respected You while addtressing You, and also mentioned > > > there that not affixing ji does not mean dis-respect. > > > > > > Hope our discussions conclude with this. > > > You should sincerely learn about Bhava Chalit,it will > > > be a crown on your Head which is missing, with the > > > knowledge You already possess will add to the glory. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > I am not hurt. I only wanted answers to my questions. I do not > find > > > them > > > > forthcoming and understand why the strong language is being > used. I > > > also > > > > find it strange that Bhavachalit is given antiquity of not more > > > than 30 > > > > or so years by a learned astrologer like you. I am more than 60 > > > years of > > > > age now and the system was advanced by many much before that, > > > mostly by > > > > those who used Sayana charts. > > > > > > > > I have posted the opinion of B. Suryanarain Rao on your > declaration > > > that > > > > unless one is able to calculate graha positions manually it is > not > > > > possible to predict. I would like your reaction to the opinion > of > > > B. > > > > Suryanarain Rao. That will help me understand vedic astrology > > > better. > > > > > > > > By the way, since you, apparently, studied at BVB and it was > not in > > > > existence when I started learning astrology, I presumed that you > > > are > > > > younger to me and did not address you as "Bhaskarji" since Hindu > > > culture > > > > does not permit elders to address young people with the > > > suffix "JI" . > > > > But contents of your other mail to one of the members appears to > > > > indicate that you are hurt by this approach. Believe me that was > > > not my > > > > intention. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > You may please forgive me for having hurt you unintenionally > by > > > > > my hard mails. I just get carried away when arguments come up > and > > > I > > > > > should not expect the one opposite me to know all what I know, > > > > > just as I would not be expected to know all what he knows. > > > > > Its my fault. You have really been gentle and patient. > > > > > At the same time please note that genuinely I have never > carried > > > > > any negative feelings in any of my mails. They were > > > > > just replies. On the contrary I felt sad that due to me, > > > > > anyone should be made to read any hard stuff or probably rude > > > language > > > > > as one member said, which was no intention of mines in the > least. > > > > > That is my natural style of defending myself and as said in > some > > > > > other mail, I have not learnt the sophisticated ways of > arguing > > > > > like they show the politicians on TV Shows pitted together > > > > > with an anchor etc. > > > > > > > > > > Hope you will treat me as a younger brother and leave aside > > > > > any thoughts otherwise. > > > > > Anyway I am not going to write much here as am occupied with > > > > > assignments for next few months so would be away. > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - Release > Date: > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Dear Bharat, I did not start it. Anyway, I have sent in my last post today. I would have thought you might have provided valuable inputs on this, but perhaps you were wise, not to. Chandrashekhar. Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote: > > Namaskaar Sri Rampriya, Sri Chandrashekhar and Sri Bhaskar > > Such emails have no value and I request you all to please finish this > thread > here itself. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > On 11/29/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in > <bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in>> wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > // I am amazed at your assumption that I do not know what is Bhava > > Chalit.// > > > > That is now, like trying to stitch the torn clothes. Everyone knows by > > now they are torn, so forget trying to cover up. > > > > //> It is also surprising that you are not aware whence Bhava Chalit > > concept originated // > > > > You please give us a authentic reply from wher it originated. By the > > way let me tell you, it seems that you do not even know the literal > > meaning of this term. This is not a Brand like Sony,Philips,Casio,but > > a system. Bhava Chalit is a system of House divisions and > > the different types of house divisions have originated from different > > places. The word-language "Bhava Chalit " should itself tell you > > from where the system oroginated. If you know better then please > > enlighten us ignorants. > > > > You have better stop unnecessarypushing me round the corner and > > trying to prove that I know nothing. I have nothing to loose, for you > > have already tried hard to see that I am not taken in the fold here, > > so I never gained anything here then whats to loose, but you have > > given 60 years to astrology and the members here respect you for Your > > astrological and spiritual prowess, do not let them get disillusioned > > to reality. > > > > Hope this is the last exchange between us. > > > > Best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > <%40> <%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > I am amazed at your assumption that I do not know what is Bhava > > Chalit. > > > It is also surprising that you are not aware whence Bhava Chalit > > concept > > > originated when you call everybody who supposedly does not know > > what is > > > Bhava Chalit, an ignoramus. > > > > > > I would also like to point out that Dr. B.V. Raman was the grandson > > of > > > B. Suryanarain Rao, and not his Son as said by you. I was seeking > > your > > > opinion on B. Suryanarain Rao' views, as they are diametrically > > > opposite to those held by you. It appears you think he was an > > > insignificant astrologer, an opinion that I am sure not shared by > > many > > > including those who started the Jyotish course in BVB. > > > > > > Instead of all these lengthy answers, it would have been better had > > you > > > given answers to my two simple queries which, as a master of both > > > astronomy and Bhava Chalit system, should be child's play for you. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > I gor incensed only because any good astrologer is expected to > > know > > > > what Bhava Chalit means, and actually all the traditional > > > > Brahmin astrologers know about this who have learnt from a Guru. > > > > They may not know english but know what Bhava chalit means. > > > > So when one asks this basic question then it seems audacious > > > > because he is expected to know this.This is not Sayana by the way. > > > > That is why the strong language is used because it seems > > > > sacrilgeous of a astrologer not knowing what Bhava Chalit is > > > > after having practised for 30-40 years. > > > > > > > > I have never said that the systems antiquity is just 30 years old, > > > > but have mentioned that people knew about it and was widely taken > > use > > > > of uptil even 30-40 years back, and even today by traditional > > > > astrologers. The modern lot dont want to do hard work.They just > > want > > > > name and fame after reading 2 books on astrology on roadside > > > > and are self prophesed astrologers. > > > > > > > > It is not necessary for one to know mathematics to be able to > > > > predict, is what one line of schools thinks, which may be right > > > > considering that there were not many confusions and most > > > > were living a regulated lifestyle few decades back, where > > > > people had more intuition power. Today things are different, > > > > a person has to be a specialist. nd the life style of today > > > > does not empower some Tom,Dick and Harry any intuitions. > > > > > > > > Prof Suryanarayanjis times were different, and if You have read > > his > > > > son Dr.BV Ramans astrology books properky then You would find > > that he > > > > has also laid emphasis on learning the mathematical part. > > > > > > > > If a person has not learnt mathematical part, he will never know > > what > > > > does the difference in 1 degree in Planet or Bhava will bring > > effects > > > > and where, and neither able to rectify the birth times, and will > > > > never be able to predict with surety or time the events. If by > > > > law of probability one is able to earn a strike rate of 50% > > success > > > > that does not imply that its the right way. > > > > > > > > Affixing ji- > > > > These are too small things to hurt me, I just made my point that I > > > > had always respected You while addtressing You, and also mentioned > > > > there that not affixing ji does not mean dis-respect. > > > > > > > > Hope our discussions conclude with this. > > > > You should sincerely learn about Bhava Chalit,it will > > > > be a crown on your Head which is missing, with the > > > > knowledge You already possess will add to the glory. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > <%40> <%40> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > I am not hurt. I only wanted answers to my questions. I do not > > find > > > > them > > > > > forthcoming and understand why the strong language is being > > used. I > > > > also > > > > > find it strange that Bhavachalit is given antiquity of not more > > > > than 30 > > > > > or so years by a learned astrologer like you. I am more than 60 > > > > years of > > > > > age now and the system was advanced by many much before that, > > > > mostly by > > > > > those who used Sayana charts. > > > > > > > > > > I have posted the opinion of B. Suryanarain Rao on your > > declaration > > > > that > > > > > unless one is able to calculate graha positions manually it is > > not > > > > > possible to predict. I would like your reaction to the opinion > > of > > > > B. > > > > > Suryanarain Rao. That will help me understand vedic astrology > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > > By the way, since you, apparently, studied at BVB and it was > > not in > > > > > existence when I started learning astrology, I presumed that you > > > > are > > > > > younger to me and did not address you as "Bhaskarji" since Hindu > > > > culture > > > > > does not permit elders to address young people with the > > > > suffix "JI" . > > > > > But contents of your other mail to one of the members appears to > > > > > indicate that you are hurt by this approach. Believe me that was > > > > not my > > > > > intention. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > You may please forgive me for having hurt you unintenionally > > by > > > > > > my hard mails. I just get carried away when arguments come up > > and > > > > I > > > > > > should not expect the one opposite me to know all what I know, > > > > > > just as I would not be expected to know all what he knows. > > > > > > Its my fault. You have really been gentle and patient. > > > > > > At the same time please note that genuinely I have never > > carried > > > > > > any negative feelings in any of my mails. They were > > > > > > just replies. On the contrary I felt sad that due to me, > > > > > > anyone should be made to read any hard stuff or probably rude > > > > language > > > > > > as one member said, which was no intention of mines in the > > least. > > > > > > That is my natural style of defending myself and as said in > > some > > > > > > other mail, I have not learnt the sophisticated ways of > > arguing > > > > > > like they show the politicians on TV Shows pitted together > > > > > > with an anchor etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you will treat me as a younger brother and leave aside > > > > > > any thoughts otherwise. > > > > > > Anyway I am not going to write much here as am occupied with > > > > > > assignments for next few months so would be away. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - Release > > Date: > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 On 11/29/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > Dear Ramapriya, > > I know you will never want to hurt me. I was writing to Bhaskarji, who > appeared hurt that I did not address him in that style as was apparent > from one of his mail in answer to yours and a few of others. > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar > Of course I wouldn't, Chandrashekhar - not after having known you for years now I suggest you use Gmail with a mail client that has filters so that you can consign the scum and dross at the source. Respects, Ramapriya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Dear Chandrasekharji, You,it seems like to remain in the limelight and need continous Ego- feeding for existence. All your mails somehow attempt to make alive dead corpses. You are also continously harpering a tune of two simple questions. Your two simple questions were not questions at all, and written in a totally confused state of mind. No one can understand what You meant,so whats the question of replying. You also do not have a memory to chronologically keep the events in place- even a short memory of two days. I have not started calling people names, first they have started ,then I have retaliated. You are also twisting statements to create sympathy for your ownself and create troubles for others ,whom you are targetting who never meant the statements in the way You mentioned. I remember the story of Abhimanyu how he was killed. You and your group of supporters will stand in my memory like those few who were merrily dancing around the dead body of that great warrior,who was killed in a totally unjustificable manner. Anyway I still respect you ,because when some members talk good of you, it definitely makes the divine spark in me too shine happily,at a fellow being who is liked by his group members for having helped them.I may be banned tomorrow, I may not get opportunity afterwards,before that,let me tell you honestly I have only kind,and affectionate feelings towards You. May God Bless You. Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > It appears that I have hurt you by requesting answer to my two simple > questions. The answer to those question would have demonstrated why > bhava chalit is not followed by many astrologers to day and was not > followed by the sages. I see that you are very angry on account of my > persistence in asking for the answers to simple questions and have > started calling names. > > I do not know how being pious or otherwise enters into astrological > discussions. I do not remember to have claimed to be so. If I did claim > so, would you or anybody else be kind enough to point where I have made > such a claim in my mails? I shall not only be obliged but stand corrected. > > I asked you two simple questions on bhava chalit as you made some > sweeping statements denigrating other astrologers who do not consider > Bhava Chalit to be Arsha system and therefore do not follow it. So > please read your own mails before you start casting stones at others. > > By the way, I have never claimed to be a complete astrologer, much less > the greatest of them all. That position you have already stated to be > occupied by those who pass out through institute X o Y or Z. > > I am only a student of astrology and have much to learn. I am content to > remain a student of this divine science till I breath my last. > > Since you are much disturbed, now, this shall be my last mail on the topic. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > You are not as pious as is been projected, I have been wanting to say > > this. From thestarting you are mantaining the attack in a polite way, > > which never went unnoticed. > > > > // I am amazed at your assumption that I do not know what is Bhava > > Chalit. > > > It is also surprising that you are not aware whence Bhava Chalit > > concept > > > originated when you call everybody who supposedly does not know > > what is > > > Bhava Chalit, an ignoramus.// > > > > The way your initial mails came and you asked about Bhava Chalit, > > anybody would think the way it was thought. I never say that all those > > who do not know Bhava Chalit are ignomarus. That is wrong > > projection and twisting of what was written and presented to the > > readers in a wrong way, which also has been done by you continously > > from the start. My anger is only for those persons frolicking > > themselves as astrologers and claiming that they are in this field > > since last 30-40 years, but yet have to ask such kiddish queries on > > Bhava Chalit. > > > > // would also like to point out that Dr. B.V. Raman was the grandson > > of > > > B. Suryanarain Rao, and not his Son as said by you. I was seeking > > your > > > opinion on B. Suryanarain Rao' views, as they are diametrically > > > opposite to those held by you. It appears you think he was an > > > insignificant astrologer, an opinion that I am sure not shared by > > many > > > including those who started the Jyotish course in BVB.// > > > > Again You misunderstood. And twisting the facts for readers to get > > wrong meaning, especially those who do not have time to read the full > > exchanges between us. Prof SuryaNarayans son who was Dr. BV Ramans > > father did not have much mathematical acumen, > > (As far as I remember,have read his books long ago-My experiences in > > Astrology),which flaw or whatever you may call it , Dr BV Raman > > did not want to continue or have in himself, thats why he wanted to > > learn the Mathematics part properly. It can never appear to me that > > Prof Suryanarayan rao can be an insignificant astrologer, but it > > seems that you are wanting to sayit, firing the gun on my > > shoulders. Dont talk in this manner of respectable Gurus please. > > > > //Istead of all these lengthy answers, it would have been better had > > you > > > given answers to my two simple queries which, as a master of both > > > astronomy and Bhava Chalit system, should be child's play for you.// > > > > You actuallyrequire only 2 liners, and not so much time wasted ,which > > has been done by me. Again you are using sarcasm here > > as you have done always, when you say that as a master... > > Please note that I am not bound to answer you neither wish to. > > > > And when this matter has been closed do not bring it up > > again and again. > > But please spend your energies on showing the Members and gaining > > their sympathy about your life spent in astrology for so many decades, > > and also spirituality. Do not imprtess me. I do not get impressed > > easily Sir. > > > > Hope now at least you will havesomething better to do,rather than > > bring this issue up again and again. Please note that I do not have > > time to waste on kiddish exchanges trying to prove one up. > > > > If You wish me to say so then, Okay, You are the best and all > > fools are the rest. Do notput others to test. Leave me alone in > > my nest. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > I am amazed at your assumption that I do not know what is Bhava > > Chalit. > > > It is also surprising that you are not aware whence Bhava Chalit > > concept > > > originated when you call everybody who supposedly does not know > > what is > > > Bhava Chalit, an ignoramus. > > > > > > I would also like to point out that Dr. B.V. Raman was the grandson > > of > > > B. Suryanarain Rao, and not his Son as said by you. I was seeking > > your > > > opinion on B. Suryanarain Rao' views, as they are diametrically > > > opposite to those held by you. It appears you think he was an > > > insignificant astrologer, an opinion that I am sure not shared by > > many > > > including those who started the Jyotish course in BVB. > > > > > > Instead of all these lengthy answers, it would have been better had > > you > > > given answers to my two simple queries which, as a master of both > > > astronomy and Bhava Chalit system, should be child's play for you. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > I gor incensed only because any good astrologer is expected to > > know > > > > what Bhava Chalit means, and actually all the traditional > > > > Brahmin astrologers know about this who have learnt from a Guru. > > > > They may not know english but know what Bhava chalit means. > > > > So when one asks this basic question then it seems audacious > > > > because he is expected to know this.This is not Sayana by the way. > > > > That is why the strong language is used because it seems > > > > sacrilgeous of a astrologer not knowing what Bhava Chalit is > > > > after having practised for 30-40 years. > > > > > > > > I have never said that the systems antiquity is just 30 years old, > > > > but have mentioned that people knew about it and was widely taken > > use > > > > of uptil even 30-40 years back, and even today by traditional > > > > astrologers. The modern lot dont want to do hard work.They just > > want > > > > name and fame after reading 2 books on astrology on roadside > > > > and are self prophesed astrologers. > > > > > > > > It is not necessary for one to know mathematics to be able to > > > > predict, is what one line of schools thinks, which may be right > > > > considering that there were not many confusions and most > > > > were living a regulated lifestyle few decades back, where > > > > people had more intuition power. Today things are different, > > > > a person has to be a specialist. nd the life style of today > > > > does not empower some Tom,Dick and Harry any intuitions. > > > > > > > > Prof Suryanarayanjis times were different, and if You have read > > his > > > > son Dr.BV Ramans astrology books properky then You would find > > that he > > > > has also laid emphasis on learning the mathematical part. > > > > > > > > If a person has not learnt mathematical part, he will never know > > what > > > > does the difference in 1 degree in Planet or Bhava will bring > > effects > > > > and where, and neither able to rectify the birth times, and will > > > > never be able to predict with surety or time the events. If by > > > > law of probability one is able to earn a strike rate of 50% > > success > > > > that does not imply that its the right way. > > > > > > > > Affixing ji- > > > > These are too small things to hurt me, I just made my point that I > > > > had always respected You while addtressing You, and also mentioned > > > > there that not affixing ji does not mean dis-respect. > > > > > > > > Hope our discussions conclude with this. > > > > You should sincerely learn about Bhava Chalit,it will > > > > be a crown on your Head which is missing, with the > > > > knowledge You already possess will add to the glory. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > I am not hurt. I only wanted answers to my questions. I do not > > find > > > > them > > > > > forthcoming and understand why the strong language is being > > used. I > > > > also > > > > > find it strange that Bhavachalit is given antiquity of not more > > > > than 30 > > > > > or so years by a learned astrologer like you. I am more than 60 > > > > years of > > > > > age now and the system was advanced by many much before that, > > > > mostly by > > > > > those who used Sayana charts. > > > > > > > > > > I have posted the opinion of B. Suryanarain Rao on your > > declaration > > > > that > > > > > unless one is able to calculate graha positions manually it is > > not > > > > > possible to predict. I would like your reaction to the opinion > > of > > > > B. > > > > > Suryanarain Rao. That will help me understand vedic astrology > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > > By the way, since you, apparently, studied at BVB and it was > > not in > > > > > existence when I started learning astrology, I presumed that you > > > > are > > > > > younger to me and did not address you as "Bhaskarji" since Hindu > > > > culture > > > > > does not permit elders to address young people with the > > > > suffix "JI" . > > > > > But contents of your other mail to one of the members appears to > > > > > indicate that you are hurt by this approach. Believe me that was > > > > not my > > > > > intention. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > You may please forgive me for having hurt you unintenionally > > by > > > > > > my hard mails. I just get carried away when arguments come up > > and > > > > I > > > > > > should not expect the one opposite me to know all what I know, > > > > > > just as I would not be expected to know all what he knows. > > > > > > Its my fault. You have really been gentle and patient. > > > > > > At the same time please note that genuinely I have never > > carried > > > > > > any negative feelings in any of my mails. They were > > > > > > just replies. On the contrary I felt sad that due to me, > > > > > > anyone should be made to read any hard stuff or probably rude > > > > language > > > > > > as one member said, which was no intention of mines in the > > least. > > > > > > That is my natural style of defending myself and as said in > > some > > > > > > other mail, I have not learnt the sophisticated ways of > > arguing > > > > > > like they show the politicians on TV Shows pitted together > > > > > > with an anchor etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you will treat me as a younger brother and leave aside > > > > > > any thoughts otherwise. > > > > > > Anyway I am not going to write much here as am occupied with > > > > > > assignments for next few months so would be away. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - Release > > Date: > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Dear Chandrasekharji, You,it seems like to remain in the limelight and need continous Ego- feeding for existence. All your mails somehow attempt to make alive dead corpses. You are also continously harpering a tune of two simple questions. Your two simple questions were not questions at all, and written in a totally confused state of mind. No one can understand what You meant,so whats the question of replying. You also do not have a memory to chronologically keep the events in place- even a short memory of two days. I have not started calling people names, first they have started ,then I have retaliated. You are also twisting statements to create sympathy for your ownself and create troubles for others ,whom you are targetting who never meant the statements in the way You mentioned. I remember the story of Abhimanyu how he was killed. You and your group of supporters will stand in my memory like those few who were merrily dancing around the dead body of that great warrior,who was killed in a totally unjustificable manner. Anyway I still respect you ,because when some members talk good of you, it definitely makes the divine spark in me too shine happily,at a fellow being who is liked by his group members for having helped them.I may be banned tomorrow, I may not get opportunity afterwards,before that,let me tell you honestly I have only kind,and affectionate feelings towards You. May God Bless You. Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > It appears that I have hurt you by requesting answer to my two simple > questions. The answer to those question would have demonstrated why > bhava chalit is not followed by many astrologers to day and was not > followed by the sages. I see that you are very angry on account of my > persistence in asking for the answers to simple questions and have > started calling names. > > I do not know how being pious or otherwise enters into astrological > discussions. I do not remember to have claimed to be so. If I did claim > so, would you or anybody else be kind enough to point where I have made > such a claim in my mails? I shall not only be obliged but stand corrected. > > I asked you two simple questions on bhava chalit as you made some > sweeping statements denigrating other astrologers who do not consider > Bhava Chalit to be Arsha system and therefore do not follow it. So > please read your own mails before you start casting stones at others. > > By the way, I have never claimed to be a complete astrologer, much less > the greatest of them all. That position you have already stated to be > occupied by those who pass out through institute X o Y or Z. > > I am only a student of astrology and have much to learn. I am content to > remain a student of this divine science till I breath my last. > > Since you are much disturbed, now, this shall be my last mail on the topic. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > You are not as pious as is been projected, I have been wanting to say > > this. From thestarting you are mantaining the attack in a polite way, > > which never went unnoticed. > > > > // I am amazed at your assumption that I do not know what is Bhava > > Chalit. > > > It is also surprising that you are not aware whence Bhava Chalit > > concept > > > originated when you call everybody who supposedly does not know > > what is > > > Bhava Chalit, an ignoramus.// > > > > The way your initial mails came and you asked about Bhava Chalit, > > anybody would think the way it was thought. I never say that all those > > who do not know Bhava Chalit are ignomarus. That is wrong > > projection and twisting of what was written and presented to the > > readers in a wrong way, which also has been done by you continously > > from the start. My anger is only for those persons frolicking > > themselves as astrologers and claiming that they are in this field > > since last 30-40 years, but yet have to ask such kiddish queries on > > Bhava Chalit. > > > > // would also like to point out that Dr. B.V. Raman was the grandson > > of > > > B. Suryanarain Rao, and not his Son as said by you. I was seeking > > your > > > opinion on B. Suryanarain Rao' views, as they are diametrically > > > opposite to those held by you. It appears you think he was an > > > insignificant astrologer, an opinion that I am sure not shared by > > many > > > including those who started the Jyotish course in BVB.// > > > > Again You misunderstood. And twisting the facts for readers to get > > wrong meaning, especially those who do not have time to read the full > > exchanges between us. Prof SuryaNarayans son who was Dr. BV Ramans > > father did not have much mathematical acumen, > > (As far as I remember,have read his books long ago-My experiences in > > Astrology),which flaw or whatever you may call it , Dr BV Raman > > did not want to continue or have in himself, thats why he wanted to > > learn the Mathematics part properly. It can never appear to me that > > Prof Suryanarayan rao can be an insignificant astrologer, but it > > seems that you are wanting to sayit, firing the gun on my > > shoulders. Dont talk in this manner of respectable Gurus please. > > > > //Istead of all these lengthy answers, it would have been better had > > you > > > given answers to my two simple queries which, as a master of both > > > astronomy and Bhava Chalit system, should be child's play for you.// > > > > You actuallyrequire only 2 liners, and not so much time wasted ,which > > has been done by me. Again you are using sarcasm here > > as you have done always, when you say that as a master... > > Please note that I am not bound to answer you neither wish to. > > > > And when this matter has been closed do not bring it up > > again and again. > > But please spend your energies on showing the Members and gaining > > their sympathy about your life spent in astrology for so many decades, > > and also spirituality. Do not imprtess me. I do not get impressed > > easily Sir. > > > > Hope now at least you will havesomething better to do,rather than > > bring this issue up again and again. Please note that I do not have > > time to waste on kiddish exchanges trying to prove one up. > > > > If You wish me to say so then, Okay, You are the best and all > > fools are the rest. Do notput others to test. Leave me alone in > > my nest. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > I am amazed at your assumption that I do not know what is Bhava > > Chalit. > > > It is also surprising that you are not aware whence Bhava Chalit > > concept > > > originated when you call everybody who supposedly does not know > > what is > > > Bhava Chalit, an ignoramus. > > > > > > I would also like to point out that Dr. B.V. Raman was the grandson > > of > > > B. Suryanarain Rao, and not his Son as said by you. I was seeking > > your > > > opinion on B. Suryanarain Rao' views, as they are diametrically > > > opposite to those held by you. It appears you think he was an > > > insignificant astrologer, an opinion that I am sure not shared by > > many > > > including those who started the Jyotish course in BVB. > > > > > > Instead of all these lengthy answers, it would have been better had > > you > > > given answers to my two simple queries which, as a master of both > > > astronomy and Bhava Chalit system, should be child's play for you. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > I gor incensed only because any good astrologer is expected to > > know > > > > what Bhava Chalit means, and actually all the traditional > > > > Brahmin astrologers know about this who have learnt from a Guru. > > > > They may not know english but know what Bhava chalit means. > > > > So when one asks this basic question then it seems audacious > > > > because he is expected to know this.This is not Sayana by the way. > > > > That is why the strong language is used because it seems > > > > sacrilgeous of a astrologer not knowing what Bhava Chalit is > > > > after having practised for 30-40 years. > > > > > > > > I have never said that the systems antiquity is just 30 years old, > > > > but have mentioned that people knew about it and was widely taken > > use > > > > of uptil even 30-40 years back, and even today by traditional > > > > astrologers. The modern lot dont want to do hard work.They just > > want > > > > name and fame after reading 2 books on astrology on roadside > > > > and are self prophesed astrologers. > > > > > > > > It is not necessary for one to know mathematics to be able to > > > > predict, is what one line of schools thinks, which may be right > > > > considering that there were not many confusions and most > > > > were living a regulated lifestyle few decades back, where > > > > people had more intuition power. Today things are different, > > > > a person has to be a specialist. nd the life style of today > > > > does not empower some Tom,Dick and Harry any intuitions. > > > > > > > > Prof Suryanarayanjis times were different, and if You have read > > his > > > > son Dr.BV Ramans astrology books properky then You would find > > that he > > > > has also laid emphasis on learning the mathematical part. > > > > > > > > If a person has not learnt mathematical part, he will never know > > what > > > > does the difference in 1 degree in Planet or Bhava will bring > > effects > > > > and where, and neither able to rectify the birth times, and will > > > > never be able to predict with surety or time the events. If by > > > > law of probability one is able to earn a strike rate of 50% > > success > > > > that does not imply that its the right way. > > > > > > > > Affixing ji- > > > > These are too small things to hurt me, I just made my point that I > > > > had always respected You while addtressing You, and also mentioned > > > > there that not affixing ji does not mean dis-respect. > > > > > > > > Hope our discussions conclude with this. > > > > You should sincerely learn about Bhava Chalit,it will > > > > be a crown on your Head which is missing, with the > > > > knowledge You already possess will add to the glory. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > I am not hurt. I only wanted answers to my questions. I do not > > find > > > > them > > > > > forthcoming and understand why the strong language is being > > used. I > > > > also > > > > > find it strange that Bhavachalit is given antiquity of not more > > > > than 30 > > > > > or so years by a learned astrologer like you. I am more than 60 > > > > years of > > > > > age now and the system was advanced by many much before that, > > > > mostly by > > > > > those who used Sayana charts. > > > > > > > > > > I have posted the opinion of B. Suryanarain Rao on your > > declaration > > > > that > > > > > unless one is able to calculate graha positions manually it is > > not > > > > > possible to predict. I would like your reaction to the opinion > > of > > > > B. > > > > > Suryanarain Rao. That will help me understand vedic astrology > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > > By the way, since you, apparently, studied at BVB and it was > > not in > > > > > existence when I started learning astrology, I presumed that you > > > > are > > > > > younger to me and did not address you as "Bhaskarji" since Hindu > > > > culture > > > > > does not permit elders to address young people with the > > > > suffix "JI" . > > > > > But contents of your other mail to one of the members appears to > > > > > indicate that you are hurt by this approach. Believe me that was > > > > not my > > > > > intention. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > You may please forgive me for having hurt you unintenionally > > by > > > > > > my hard mails. I just get carried away when arguments come up > > and > > > > I > > > > > > should not expect the one opposite me to know all what I know, > > > > > > just as I would not be expected to know all what he knows. > > > > > > Its my fault. You have really been gentle and patient. > > > > > > At the same time please note that genuinely I have never > > carried > > > > > > any negative feelings in any of my mails. They were > > > > > > just replies. On the contrary I felt sad that due to me, > > > > > > anyone should be made to read any hard stuff or probably rude > > > > language > > > > > > as one member said, which was no intention of mines in the > > least. > > > > > > That is my natural style of defending myself and as said in > > some > > > > > > other mail, I have not learnt the sophisticated ways of > > arguing > > > > > > like they show the politicians on TV Shows pitted together > > > > > > with an anchor etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you will treat me as a younger brother and leave aside > > > > > > any thoughts otherwise. > > > > > > Anyway I am not going to write much here as am occupied with > > > > > > assignments for next few months so would be away. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - Release > > Date: > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Namaskaar Sri Chandrashekharji I am aware of the same. Now, if you read some of the last few posts by others, the matter has gone beyond my simple request. It is indeed sad to see such words being spoken in this group. Hope good sense shall prevail and the topic in question be discussed. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 11/29/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > Dear Bharat, > > I did not start it. Anyway, I have sent in my last post today. I would > have thought you might have provided valuable inputs on this, but > perhaps you were wise, not to. > > Chandrashekhar. > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > Namaskaar Sri Rampriya, Sri Chandrashekhar and Sri Bhaskar > > > > Such emails have no value and I request you all to please finish this > > thread > > here itself. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > On 11/29/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in<bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in> > > <bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in>> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > // I am amazed at your assumption that I do not know what is Bhava > > > Chalit.// > > > > > > That is now, like trying to stitch the torn clothes. Everyone knows by > > > now they are torn, so forget trying to cover up. > > > > > > //> It is also surprising that you are not aware whence Bhava Chalit > > > concept originated // > > > > > > You please give us a authentic reply from wher it originated. By the > > > way let me tell you, it seems that you do not even know the literal > > > meaning of this term. This is not a Brand like Sony,Philips,Casio,but > > > a system. Bhava Chalit is a system of House divisions and > > > the different types of house divisions have originated from different > > > places. The word-language "Bhava Chalit " should itself tell you > > > from where the system oroginated. If you know better then please > > > enlighten us ignorants. > > > > > > You have better stop unnecessarypushing me round the corner and > > > trying to prove that I know nothing. I have nothing to loose, for you > > > have already tried hard to see that I am not taken in the fold here, > > > so I never gained anything here then whats to loose, but you have > > > given 60 years to astrology and the members here respect you for Your > > > astrological and spiritual prowess, do not let them get disillusioned > > > to reality. > > > > > > Hope this is the last exchange between us. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > <%40>, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > I am amazed at your assumption that I do not know what is Bhava > > > Chalit. > > > > It is also surprising that you are not aware whence Bhava Chalit > > > concept > > > > originated when you call everybody who supposedly does not know > > > what is > > > > Bhava Chalit, an ignoramus. > > > > > > > > I would also like to point out that Dr. B.V. Raman was the grandson > > > of > > > > B. Suryanarain Rao, and not his Son as said by you. I was seeking > > > your > > > > opinion on B. Suryanarain Rao' views, as they are diametrically > > > > opposite to those held by you. It appears you think he was an > > > > insignificant astrologer, an opinion that I am sure not shared by > > > many > > > > including those who started the Jyotish course in BVB. > > > > > > > > Instead of all these lengthy answers, it would have been better had > > > you > > > > given answers to my two simple queries which, as a master of both > > > > astronomy and Bhava Chalit system, should be child's play for you. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > I gor incensed only because any good astrologer is expected to > > > know > > > > > what Bhava Chalit means, and actually all the traditional > > > > > Brahmin astrologers know about this who have learnt from a Guru. > > > > > They may not know english but know what Bhava chalit means. > > > > > So when one asks this basic question then it seems audacious > > > > > because he is expected to know this.This is not Sayana by the way. > > > > > That is why the strong language is used because it seems > > > > > sacrilgeous of a astrologer not knowing what Bhava Chalit is > > > > > after having practised for 30-40 years. > > > > > > > > > > I have never said that the systems antiquity is just 30 years old, > > > > > but have mentioned that people knew about it and was widely taken > > > use > > > > > of uptil even 30-40 years back, and even today by traditional > > > > > astrologers. The modern lot dont want to do hard work.They just > > > want > > > > > name and fame after reading 2 books on astrology on roadside > > > > > and are self prophesed astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > It is not necessary for one to know mathematics to be able to > > > > > predict, is what one line of schools thinks, which may be right > > > > > considering that there were not many confusions and most > > > > > were living a regulated lifestyle few decades back, where > > > > > people had more intuition power. Today things are different, > > > > > a person has to be a specialist. nd the life style of today > > > > > does not empower some Tom,Dick and Harry any intuitions. > > > > > > > > > > Prof Suryanarayanjis times were different, and if You have read > > > his > > > > > son Dr.BV Ramans astrology books properky then You would find > > > that he > > > > > has also laid emphasis on learning the mathematical part. > > > > > > > > > > If a person has not learnt mathematical part, he will never know > > > what > > > > > does the difference in 1 degree in Planet or Bhava will bring > > > effects > > > > > and where, and neither able to rectify the birth times, and will > > > > > never be able to predict with surety or time the events. If by > > > > > law of probability one is able to earn a strike rate of 50% > > > success > > > > > that does not imply that its the right way. > > > > > > > > > > Affixing ji- > > > > > These are too small things to hurt me, I just made my point that I > > > > > had always respected You while addtressing You, and also mentioned > > > > > there that not affixing ji does not mean dis-respect. > > > > > > > > > > Hope our discussions conclude with this. > > > > > You should sincerely learn about Bhava Chalit,it will > > > > > be a crown on your Head which is missing, with the > > > > > knowledge You already possess will add to the glory. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> <%40> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not hurt. I only wanted answers to my questions. I do not > > > find > > > > > them > > > > > > forthcoming and understand why the strong language is being > > > used. I > > > > > also > > > > > > find it strange that Bhavachalit is given antiquity of not more > > > > > than 30 > > > > > > or so years by a learned astrologer like you. I am more than 60 > > > > > years of > > > > > > age now and the system was advanced by many much before that, > > > > > mostly by > > > > > > those who used Sayana charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have posted the opinion of B. Suryanarain Rao on your > > > declaration > > > > > that > > > > > > unless one is able to calculate graha positions manually it is > > > not > > > > > > possible to predict. I would like your reaction to the opinion > > > of > > > > > B. > > > > > > Suryanarain Rao. That will help me understand vedic astrology > > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, since you, apparently, studied at BVB and it was > > > not in > > > > > > existence when I started learning astrology, I presumed that you > > > > > are > > > > > > younger to me and did not address you as "Bhaskarji" since Hindu > > > > > culture > > > > > > does not permit elders to address young people with the > > > > > suffix "JI" . > > > > > > But contents of your other mail to one of the members appears to > > > > > > indicate that you are hurt by this approach. Believe me that was > > > > > not my > > > > > > intention. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may please forgive me for having hurt you unintenionally > > > by > > > > > > > my hard mails. I just get carried away when arguments come up > > > and > > > > > I > > > > > > > should not expect the one opposite me to know all what I know, > > > > > > > just as I would not be expected to know all what he knows. > > > > > > > Its my fault. You have really been gentle and patient. > > > > > > > At the same time please note that genuinely I have never > > > carried > > > > > > > any negative feelings in any of my mails. They were > > > > > > > just replies. On the contrary I felt sad that due to me, > > > > > > > anyone should be made to read any hard stuff or probably rude > > > > > language > > > > > > > as one member said, which was no intention of mines in the > > > least. > > > > > > > That is my natural style of defending myself and as said in > > > some > > > > > > > other mail, I have not learnt the sophisticated ways of > > > arguing > > > > > > > like they show the politicians on TV Shows pitted together > > > > > > > with an anchor etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you will treat me as a younger brother and leave aside > > > > > > > any thoughts otherwise. > > > > > > > Anyway I am not going to write much here as am occupied with > > > > > > > assignments for next few months so would be away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - Release > > > Date: > > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Bhaskar, It's unfortunate, indeed, that you've really been overwhelmed by anger, to such an extent that you don't seem to be able to recognize honesty, goodness and knowledge of our dear Chandrasekhar- I do understand your frustration, though. BUT, don't lash out at everyone, pls. Anna Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: nt Dear Chandrasekharji, You,it seems like to remain in the limelight and need continous Ego- feeding for existence. All your mails somehow attempt to make alive dead corpses. You are also continously harpering a tune of two simple questions. Your two simple questions were not questions at all, and written in a totally confused state of mind. No one can understand what You meant,so whats the question of replying. You also do not have a memory to chronologically keep the events in place- even a short memory of two days. I have not started calling people names, first they have started ,then I have retaliated. You are also twisting statements to create sympathy for your ownself and create troubles for others ,whom you are targetting who never meant the statements in the way You mentioned. I remember the story of Abhimanyu how he was killed. You and your group of supporters will stand in my memory like those few who were merrily dancing around the dead body of that great warrior,who was killed in a totally unjustificable manner. Anyway I still respect you ,because when some members talk good of you, it definitely makes the divine spark in me too shine happily,at a fellow being who is liked by his group members for having helped them.I may be banned tomorrow, I may not get opportunity afterwards,before that,let me tell you honestly I have only kind,and affectionate feelings towards You. May God Bless You. Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > It appears that I have hurt you by requesting answer to my two simple > questions. The answer to those question would have demonstrated why > bhava chalit is not followed by many astrologers to day and was not > followed by the sages. I see that you are very angry on account of my > persistence in asking for the answers to simple questions and have > started calling names. > > I do not know how being pious or otherwise enters into astrological > discussions. I do not remember to have claimed to be so. If I did claim > so, would you or anybody else be kind enough to point where I have made > such a claim in my mails? I shall not only be obliged but stand corrected. > > I asked you two simple questions on bhava chalit as you made some > sweeping statements denigrating other astrologers who do not consider > Bhava Chalit to be Arsha system and therefore do not follow it. So > please read your own mails before you start casting stones at others. > > By the way, I have never claimed to be a complete astrologer, much less > the greatest of them all. That position you have already stated to be > occupied by those who pass out through institute X o Y or Z. > > I am only a student of astrology and have much to learn. I am content to > remain a student of this divine science till I breath my last. > > Since you are much disturbed, now, this shall be my last mail on the topic. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > You are not as pious as is been projected, I have been wanting to say > > this. From thestarting you are mantaining the attack in a polite way, > > which never went unnoticed. > > > > // I am amazed at your assumption that I do not know what is Bhava > > Chalit. > > > It is also surprising that you are not aware whence Bhava Chalit > > concept > > > originated when you call everybody who supposedly does not know > > what is > > > Bhava Chalit, an ignoramus.// > > > > The way your initial mails came and you asked about Bhava Chalit, > > anybody would think the way it was thought. I never say that all those > > who do not know Bhava Chalit are ignomarus. That is wrong > > projection and twisting of what was written and presented to the > > readers in a wrong way, which also has been done by you continously > > from the start. My anger is only for those persons frolicking > > themselves as astrologers and claiming that they are in this field > > since last 30-40 years, but yet have to ask such kiddish queries on > > Bhava Chalit. > > > > // would also like to point out that Dr. B.V. Raman was the grandson > > of > > > B. Suryanarain Rao, and not his Son as said by you. I was seeking > > your > > > opinion on B. Suryanarain Rao' views, as they are diametrically > > > opposite to those held by you. It appears you think he was an > > > insignificant astrologer, an opinion that I am sure not shared by > > many > > > including those who started the Jyotish course in BVB.// > > > > Again You misunderstood. And twisting the facts for readers to get > > wrong meaning, especially those who do not have time to read the full > > exchanges between us. Prof SuryaNarayans son who was Dr. BV Ramans > > father did not have much mathematical acumen, > > (As far as I remember,have read his books long ago-My experiences in > > Astrology),which flaw or whatever you may call it , Dr BV Raman > > did not want to continue or have in himself, thats why he wanted to > > learn the Mathematics part properly. It can never appear to me that > > Prof Suryanarayan rao can be an insignificant astrologer, but it > > seems that you are wanting to sayit, firing the gun on my > > shoulders. Dont talk in this manner of respectable Gurus please. > > > > //Istead of all these lengthy answers, it would have been better had > > you > > > given answers to my two simple queries which, as a master of both > > > astronomy and Bhava Chalit system, should be child's play for you.// > > > > You actuallyrequire only 2 liners, and not so much time wasted ,which > > has been done by me. Again you are using sarcasm here > > as you have done always, when you say that as a master... > > Please note that I am not bound to answer you neither wish to. > > > > And when this matter has been closed do not bring it up > > again and again. > > But please spend your energies on showing the Members and gaining > > their sympathy about your life spent in astrology for so many decades, > > and also spirituality. Do not imprtess me. I do not get impressed > > easily Sir. > > > > Hope now at least you will havesomething better to do,rather than > > bring this issue up again and again. Please note that I do not have > > time to waste on kiddish exchanges trying to prove one up. > > > > If You wish me to say so then, Okay, You are the best and all > > fools are the rest. Do notput others to test. Leave me alone in > > my nest. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > I am amazed at your assumption that I do not know what is Bhava > > Chalit. > > > It is also surprising that you are not aware whence Bhava Chalit > > concept > > > originated when you call everybody who supposedly does not know > > what is > > > Bhava Chalit, an ignoramus. > > > > > > I would also like to point out that Dr. B.V. Raman was the grandson > > of > > > B. Suryanarain Rao, and not his Son as said by you. I was seeking > > your > > > opinion on B. Suryanarain Rao' views, as they are diametrically > > > opposite to those held by you. It appears you think he was an > > > insignificant astrologer, an opinion that I am sure not shared by > > many > > > including those who started the Jyotish course in BVB. > > > > > > Instead of all these lengthy answers, it would have been better had > > you > > > given answers to my two simple queries which, as a master of both > > > astronomy and Bhava Chalit system, should be child's play for you. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > I gor incensed only because any good astrologer is expected to > > know > > > > what Bhava Chalit means, and actually all the traditional > > > > Brahmin astrologers know about this who have learnt from a Guru. > > > > They may not know english but know what Bhava chalit means. > > > > So when one asks this basic question then it seems audacious > > > > because he is expected to know this.This is not Sayana by the way. > > > > That is why the strong language is used because it seems > > > > sacrilgeous of a astrologer not knowing what Bhava Chalit is > > > > after having practised for 30-40 years. > > > > > > > > I have never said that the systems antiquity is just 30 years old, > > > > but have mentioned that people knew about it and was widely taken > > use > > > > of uptil even 30-40 years back, and even today by traditional > > > > astrologers. The modern lot dont want to do hard work.They just > > want > > > > name and fame after reading 2 books on astrology on roadside > > > > and are self prophesed astrologers. > > > > > > > > It is not necessary for one to know mathematics to be able to > > > > predict, is what one line of schools thinks, which may be right > > > > considering that there were not many confusions and most > > > > were living a regulated lifestyle few decades back, where > > > > people had more intuition power. Today things are different, > > > > a person has to be a specialist. nd the life style of today > > > > does not empower some Tom,Dick and Harry any intuitions. > > > > > > > > Prof Suryanarayanjis times were different, and if You have read > > his > > > > son Dr.BV Ramans astrology books properky then You would find > > that he > > > > has also laid emphasis on learning the mathematical part. > > > > > > > > If a person has not learnt mathematical part, he will never know > > what > > > > does the difference in 1 degree in Planet or Bhava will bring > > effects > > > > and where, and neither able to rectify the birth times, and will > > > > never be able to predict with surety or time the events. If by > > > > law of probability one is able to earn a strike rate of 50% > > success > > > > that does not imply that its the right way. > > > > > > > > Affixing ji- > > > > These are too small things to hurt me, I just made my point that I > > > > had always respected You while addtressing You, and also mentioned > > > > there that not affixing ji does not mean dis-respect. > > > > > > > > Hope our discussions conclude with this. > > > > You should sincerely learn about Bhava Chalit,it will > > > > be a crown on your Head which is missing, with the > > > > knowledge You already possess will add to the glory. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > I am not hurt. I only wanted answers to my questions. I do not > > find > > > > them > > > > > forthcoming and understand why the strong language is being > > used. I > > > > also > > > > > find it strange that Bhavachalit is given antiquity of not more > > > > than 30 > > > > > or so years by a learned astrologer like you. I am more than 60 > > > > years of > > > > > age now and the system was advanced by many much before that, > > > > mostly by > > > > > those who used Sayana charts. > > > > > > > > > > I have posted the opinion of B. Suryanarain Rao on your > > declaration > > > > that > > > > > unless one is able to calculate graha positions manually it is > > not > > > > > possible to predict. I would like your reaction to the opinion > > of > > > > B. > > > > > Suryanarain Rao. That will help me understand vedic astrology > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > > By the way, since you, apparently, studied at BVB and it was > > not in > > > > > existence when I started learning astrology, I presumed that you > > > > are > > > > > younger to me and did not address you as "Bhaskarji" since Hindu > > > > culture > > > > > does not permit elders to address young people with the > > > > suffix "JI" . > > > > > But contents of your other mail to one of the members appears to > > > > > indicate that you are hurt by this approach. Believe me that was > > > > not my > > > > > intention. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > You may please forgive me for having hurt you unintenionally > > by > > > > > > my hard mails. I just get carried away when arguments come up > > and > > > > I > > > > > > should not expect the one opposite me to know all what I know, > > > > > > just as I would not be expected to know all what he knows. > > > > > > Its my fault. You have really been gentle and patient. > > > > > > At the same time please note that genuinely I have never > > carried > > > > > > any negative feelings in any of my mails. They were > > > > > > just replies. On the contrary I felt sad that due to me, > > > > > > anyone should be made to read any hard stuff or probably rude > > > > language > > > > > > as one member said, which was no intention of mines in the > > least. > > > > > > That is my natural style of defending myself and as said in > > some > > > > > > other mail, I have not learnt the sophisticated ways of > > arguing > > > > > > like they show the politicians on TV Shows pitted together > > > > > > with an anchor etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you will treat me as a younger brother and leave aside > > > > > > any thoughts otherwise. > > > > > > Anyway I am not going to write much here as am occupied with > > > > > > assignments for next few months so would be away. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.12/545 - Release > > Date: > > > > 11/21/2006 10:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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