Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Recently--on October 30, 2006--Jupiter and Mercury were in grahayuddha. Who would you say was the winner? And what results would you ascribe to the winning planet? What is your experience of grahayuddha? --Radha S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Dear friend, About Grahayuddha (Planetary War) this what I find:- Planetary War The following is from David Frawley’s "Astrology of the Seers" at page 150 “When two planets are in conjunction of one degree or less, they are said to be at planetary war. There is a clashing of the forces of their respective rays. The planet with the lower degree of longitude becomes the winner of this planetary war. For example, if Mars is at 23o 35’ Sagittarius and Venus at 23o 17’, then Venus is the winner of the war. Benefics who have lost a planetary war with a malefic may be rendered weak, whereas benefics who have won a war with a malefic become much stronger. The rules of planetary war do not apply in the case of the Sun or Moon”. I hope this helps. David aphoton47 <aphoton (AT) wideopenwest (DOT) com> wrote: Recently--on October 30, 2006--Jupiter and Mercury were in grahayuddha. Who would you say was the winner? And what results would you ascribe to the winning planet? What is your experience of grahayuddha? --Radha S. Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Dear David, Due to the considerable wobble of some of the planets, you could sometimes have no yuddha with two planets being on the same longitude. There's also the matter of the ecliptic being a band; it isn't as if the axes of each graha are on the same plane. There's more to graha yuddha than a simplistic clash of sphutas. Cheers, Ramapriya On 11/29/06, David Andrews <dprapus > wrote: > > Dear friend, > About Grahayuddha (Planetary War) this what I find:- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Dear Radhe The victor of the two depends upon which is the brightest and which has the most northerly latitude. You can use naisarga bala as a general guide to see which planet has the brightest rays. Jupiter wins this war due to being more northerly and brighter on this occasion, but there are many more rules about yudha so it is best to consult Brihat Samhita who is an original authority on this type of event. When Jupiter defeats Mercury thieves wealthy men, defending citizens and mountain dweller are affected and there will be an earthquake--says Brihat Samhita, but again there is much more to utilise in the interpretation than just this. I recently ( check the list at circa 6 dec 2005 for more postings)posted the results of a chart of a natal Venus and Jupiter Yudha where the resulting events in the persons life demonstrated that Venus always does win, and the person who has the configuration in her chart does need to follow a pattern of needing to create war like situations via drama triangle in her life since childhood. I would recommend Brihat Samhita as the best source for learning more, unless you know of another more informative one best wishes M - aphoton47 Monday, November 27, 2006 12:41 PM Grahayuddha Recently--on October 30, 2006--Jupiter and Mercury were in grahayuddha. Who would you say was the winner? And what results would you ascribe to the winning planet? What is your experience of grahayuddha? --Radha S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 David, Thank you for the explanation. Much appreciated. In the case of two benefics (mercury and Jupiter)in grahayuddha, I suppose there is no evil effect. I wonder, if the functional malefic (in this case, Mercury)defeated in graha yuddha becomes stronger to do good--Wishful thinking I suppose! --Radha S. , David Andrews <dprapus wrote: > > Dear friend, > About Grahayuddha (Planetary War) this what I find:- > > Planetary War > The following is from David Frawley's "Astrology of the Seers" at page 150 > "When two planets are in conjunction of one degree or less, they are said to be at planetary war. There is a clashing of the forces of their respective rays. The planet with the lower degree of longitude becomes the winner of this planetary war. For example, if Mars is at 23o 35' Sagittarius and Venus at 23o 17', then Venus is the winner of the war. Benefics who have lost a planetary war with a malefic may be rendered weak, whereas benefics who have won a war with a malefic become much stronger. The rules of planetary war do not apply in the case of the Sun or Moon". > I hope this helps. > > David > > > aphoton47 <aphoton wrote: > Recently--on October 30, 2006--Jupiter and Mercury were in grahayuddha. > Who would you say was the winner? And what results would you ascribe > to the winning planet? What is your experience of grahayuddha? > > --Radha S. > > > > > > > > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Dear David, Could you please clarify rules of conjunction for three or more planets and whether Sun is considered benefic or malefic. Thanks Sharat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 On 11/29/06, Sharat <gidoc (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote: > > Dear David, > Could you please clarify rules of conjunction for three or more planets > and whether Sun is considered benefic or malefic. > Thanks > Sharat > Dear Sharat, While Sun is a functional benefic for people with fiery ascendants, it's generally regarded a malefic. Personally, I only grudgingly agree to that because it's described as a krura (fierce) and not paapa (evil) graha. Mars, Saturn and the nodes are unqualified evil just as Jupiter and Venus are always benefic. Merc's and Moon's beneficence/maleficence are conditional. Cheers, Ramapriya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Dear Rampriya ji Thanks, So if there is conjunction of Ju-Merc-Sun; Merc will remain unaffected but regards Ju-Su will their MD or AD cause effect of each other, eg narayan/vimsottari dasa of Sun give results of Ju and vice versa. Please advise. Regards, Sharat - D Ramapriya Wednesday, November 29, 2006 6:46 PM Re: Re: Grahayuddha On 11/29/06, Sharat <gidoc (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote: > > Dear David, > Could you please clarify rules of conjunction for three or more planets > and whether Sun is considered benefic or malefic. > Thanks > Sharat > Dear Sharat, While Sun is a functional benefic for people with fiery ascendants, it's generally regarded a malefic. Personally, I only grudgingly agree to that because it's described as a krura (fierce) and not paapa (evil) graha. Mars, Saturn and the nodes are unqualified evil just as Jupiter and Venus are always benefic. Merc's and Moon's beneficence/maleficence are conditional. Cheers, Ramapriya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 M, Thank you for your response--and I will check BPHS. Jupiter and Mercury were in the same degree on October 30, 2006. Mercury was also retrograde. From what you say, I surmise that Jupiter--more northerly, direct, with lesser longitude--was the victor. Do you agree? Best, --Radha , "Marg" <margie9 wrote: > > Dear Radhe > > The victor of the two depends upon which is the brightest and which has the most northerly latitude. > You can use naisarga bala as a general guide to see which planet has the brightest rays. > Jupiter wins this war due to being more northerly and brighter on this occasion, but there are many more rules about yudha so it is best to consult Brihat Samhita who is an original authority on this type of event. > When Jupiter defeats Mercury thieves wealthy men, defending citizens and mountain dweller are affected > and there will be an earthquake--says Brihat Samhita, but again there is much more to utilise in the interpretation than just this. > > I recently ( check the list at circa 6 dec 2005 for more postings)posted the results of a chart of a natal Venus and Jupiter Yudha where the resulting events in the persons life demonstrated that Venus always does win, and the person who has the configuration in her chart does need to follow a pattern of > needing to create war like situations via drama triangle in her life since childhood. > > I would recommend Brihat Samhita as the best source for learning more, unless you know of another more informative one > best wishes > M > > > - > aphoton47 > > Monday, November 27, 2006 12:41 PM > Grahayuddha > > > Recently--on October 30, 2006--Jupiter and Mercury were in grahayuddha. > Who would you say was the winner? And what results would you ascribe > to the winning planet? What is your experience of grahayuddha? > > --Radha S. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Er... I hadn't addressed the conjunction part of your Q but the bit about whether or not Sun is a malefic. Cheers, Ramapriya On 11/29/06, Sharat <gidoc (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote: > > Dear Rampriya ji > Thanks, > So if there is conjunction of Ju-Merc-Sun; Merc will remain unaffected but > regards Ju-Su will their MD or AD cause effect of each other, eg > narayan/vimsottari dasa of Sun give results of Ju and vice versa. > Please advise. > Regards, > Sharat > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Thanks, anyway. Cheers Sharat - D Ramapriya Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:42 AM Re: Re: Grahayuddha Er... I hadn't addressed the conjunction part of your Q but the bit about whether or not Sun is a malefic. Cheers, Ramapriya On 11/29/06, Sharat <gidoc (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote: > > Dear Rampriya ji > Thanks, > So if there is conjunction of Ju-Merc-Sun; Merc will remain unaffected but > regards Ju-Su will their MD or AD cause effect of each other, eg > narayan/vimsottari dasa of Sun give results of Ju and vice versa. > Please advise. > Regards, > Sharat > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Dear Radhe Jupiter was the victor because he was approximately 3 degrees more northerly in latitude than Mercury, though both were in southern declination at time of yudha---Jupiter 18 S Mercury 21 S, so I don't think Ullekha (grazing position) applies as I think with Mercury having small size he would be totally out of range of Jupiter with this differential, also Mercury was in retreat. In addition Jupiter was brighter than Mercury at this time gaining I think 34 points in naisarga bala, while Mercury gained only 26 if I remember correctly. In the UK the yudha occurred at 2:39 am on 31st October. For me this is important as it affects the weather and noticeably there were very strong winds ( ruled by Mercury) on 30th as the yudha was approaching, while on the 31st after the yudha the winds subsided and we had calmer weather with beautiful clear skies restored for two to three days after which Mercury retreating further was reduced to just a gentle breeze---such was the beneficence of Jupiter in victory! There are other conditions affecting the outcome of yudha, and one of these is the proximity of the planet to the earth at its brightest phase, which would affect the outcome, though I think on this occasion Jupiter still wins, even though Mercury's Uccha value was very high. It is the latitude of the most northerly position which is usually considered the final factor, not the longitude. The latitude has to be obtained in order to see which of the four types of yudha is being conducted before an outcome can be ascertained or predicted. In a natal chart the outcome of the yudha affects strengths in shadbala, which in this case is 33 virupas approximately, which is deducted from the loser and added to the winners totals. 'The winner is always the birghtest and most northerly' quote from Robert De Luce Constellational Astrology a brilliant exposition of the subject of vedic astrology. best wishes margaret - aphoton47 Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:02 AM Re: Grahayuddha M, Thank you for your response--and I will check BPHS. Jupiter and Mercury were in the same degree on October 30, 2006. Mercury was also retrograde. From what you say, I surmise that Jupiter--more northerly, direct, with lesser longitude--was the victor. Do you agree? Best, --Radha , "Marg" <margie9 wrote: > > Dear Radhe > > The victor of the two depends upon which is the brightest and which has the most northerly latitude. > You can use naisarga bala as a general guide to see which planet has the brightest rays. > Jupiter wins this war due to being more northerly and brighter on this occasion, but there are many more rules about yudha so it is best to consult Brihat Samhita who is an original authority on this type of event. > When Jupiter defeats Mercury thieves wealthy men, defending citizens and mountain dweller are affected > and there will be an earthquake--says Brihat Samhita, but again there is much more to utilise in the interpretation than just this. > > I recently ( check the list at circa 6 dec 2005 for more postings)posted the results of a chart of a natal Venus and Jupiter Yudha where the resulting events in the persons life demonstrated that Venus always does win, and the person who has the configuration in her chart does need to follow a pattern of > needing to create war like situations via drama triangle in her life since childhood. > > I would recommend Brihat Samhita as the best source for learning more, unless you know of another more informative one > best wishes > M > > > - > aphoton47 > > Monday, November 27, 2006 12:41 PM > Grahayuddha > > > Recently--on October 30, 2006--Jupiter and Mercury were in grahayuddha. > Who would you say was the winner? And what results would you ascribe > to the winning planet? What is your experience of grahayuddha? > > --Radha S. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Dear Margaret, Once again, thank you for your very detailed and scholarly explanation. Jyotish is truly an ocean! --Radha , "Marg" <margie9 wrote: > > Dear Radhe > > Jupiter was the victor because he was approximately 3 degrees more northerly in latitude than Mercury, though both were in southern declination at time of yudha---Jupiter 18 S Mercury 21 S, so I don't think Ullekha (grazing position) applies as I think with Mercury having small size he would be totally out of range of Jupiter with this differential, also Mercury was in retreat. In addition Jupiter was brighter than Mercury at this time gaining I think 34 points in naisarga bala, while Mercury gained only 26 if I remember correctly. > > In the UK the yudha occurred at 2:39 am on 31st October. For me this is important as it affects the weather and noticeably there were very strong winds ( ruled by Mercury) on 30th as the yudha was approaching, while on the 31st after the yudha the winds subsided and we had calmer weather with beautiful clear skies restored for two to three days after which Mercury retreating further was reduced to just a gentle breeze---such was the beneficence of Jupiter in victory! > > There are other conditions affecting the outcome of yudha, and one of these is the proximity of the planet to the earth at its brightest phase, which would affect the outcome, though I think on this occasion Jupiter still wins, even though Mercury's Uccha value was very high. It is the latitude of the most northerly position which is usually considered the final factor, not the longitude. The latitude has to be obtained in order to see which of the four types of yudha is being conducted before an outcome can be ascertained or predicted. > > In a natal chart the outcome of the yudha affects strengths in shadbala, which in this case is 33 virupas approximately, which is deducted from the loser and added to the winners totals. 'The winner is always the birghtest and most northerly' quote from Robert De Luce Constellational Astrology a brilliant exposition of the subject of vedic astrology. > best wishes > margaret > - > aphoton47 > > Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:02 AM > Re: Grahayuddha > > > M, > Thank you for your response--and I will check BPHS. Jupiter and > Mercury were in the same degree on October 30, 2006. Mercury was also > retrograde. From what you say, I surmise that Jupiter--more > northerly, direct, with lesser longitude--was the victor. Do you agree? > Best, > --Radha > > , "Marg" <margie9@> wrote: > > > > Dear Radhe > > > > The victor of the two depends upon which is the brightest and which > has the most northerly latitude. > > You can use naisarga bala as a general guide to see which planet has > the brightest rays. > > Jupiter wins this war due to being more northerly and brighter on > this occasion, but there are many more rules about yudha so it is best > to consult Brihat Samhita who is an original authority on this type > of event. > > When Jupiter defeats Mercury thieves wealthy men, defending > citizens and mountain dweller are affected > > and there will be an earthquake--says Brihat Samhita, but again > there is much more to utilise in the interpretation than just this. > > > > I recently ( check the list at circa 6 dec 2005 for more > postings)posted the results of a chart of a natal Venus and Jupiter > Yudha where the resulting events in the persons life demonstrated that > Venus always does win, and the person who has the configuration in her > chart does need to follow a pattern of > > needing to create war like situations via drama triangle in her life > since childhood. > > > > I would recommend Brihat Samhita as the best source for learning > more, unless you know of another more informative one > > best wishes > > M > > > > > > - > > aphoton47 > > > > Monday, November 27, 2006 12:41 PM > > Grahayuddha > > > > > > Recently--on October 30, 2006--Jupiter and Mercury were in > grahayuddha. > > Who would you say was the winner? And what results would you ascribe > > to the winning planet? What is your experience of grahayuddha? > > > > --Radha S. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 You're welcome, I love the fact that we get so many 'toys' to play with in Jyotish and that learning it goes on forever! - aphoton47 Thursday, November 30, 2006 1:19 PM Re: Grahayuddha Dear Margaret, Once again, thank you for your very detailed and scholarly explanation. Jyotish is truly an ocean! --Radha , "Marg" <margie9 wrote: > > Dear Radhe > > Jupiter was the victor because he was approximately 3 degrees more northerly in latitude than Mercury, though both were in southern declination at time of yudha---Jupiter 18 S Mercury 21 S, so I don't think Ullekha (grazing position) applies as I think with Mercury having small size he would be totally out of range of Jupiter with this differential, also Mercury was in retreat. In addition Jupiter was brighter than Mercury at this time gaining I think 34 points in naisarga bala, while Mercury gained only 26 if I remember correctly. > > In the UK the yudha occurred at 2:39 am on 31st October. For me this is important as it affects the weather and noticeably there were very strong winds ( ruled by Mercury) on 30th as the yudha was approaching, while on the 31st after the yudha the winds subsided and we had calmer weather with beautiful clear skies restored for two to three days after which Mercury retreating further was reduced to just a gentle breeze---such was the beneficence of Jupiter in victory! > > There are other conditions affecting the outcome of yudha, and one of these is the proximity of the planet to the earth at its brightest phase, which would affect the outcome, though I think on this occasion Jupiter still wins, even though Mercury's Uccha value was very high. It is the latitude of the most northerly position which is usually considered the final factor, not the longitude. The latitude has to be obtained in order to see which of the four types of yudha is being conducted before an outcome can be ascertained or predicted. > > In a natal chart the outcome of the yudha affects strengths in shadbala, which in this case is 33 virupas approximately, which is deducted from the loser and added to the winners totals. 'The winner is always the birghtest and most northerly' quote from Robert De Luce Constellational Astrology a brilliant exposition of the subject of vedic astrology. > best wishes > margaret > - > aphoton47 > > Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:02 AM > Re: Grahayuddha > > > M, > Thank you for your response--and I will check BPHS. Jupiter and > Mercury were in the same degree on October 30, 2006. Mercury was also > retrograde. From what you say, I surmise that Jupiter--more > northerly, direct, with lesser longitude--was the victor. Do you agree? > Best, > --Radha > > , "Marg" <margie9@> wrote: > > > > Dear Radhe > > > > The victor of the two depends upon which is the brightest and which > has the most northerly latitude. > > You can use naisarga bala as a general guide to see which planet has > the brightest rays. > > Jupiter wins this war due to being more northerly and brighter on > this occasion, but there are many more rules about yudha so it is best > to consult Brihat Samhita who is an original authority on this type > of event. > > When Jupiter defeats Mercury thieves wealthy men, defending > citizens and mountain dweller are affected > > and there will be an earthquake--says Brihat Samhita, but again > there is much more to utilise in the interpretation than just this. > > > > I recently ( check the list at circa 6 dec 2005 for more > postings)posted the results of a chart of a natal Venus and Jupiter > Yudha where the resulting events in the persons life demonstrated that > Venus always does win, and the person who has the configuration in her > chart does need to follow a pattern of > > needing to create war like situations via drama triangle in her life > since childhood. > > > > I would recommend Brihat Samhita as the best source for learning > more, unless you know of another more informative one > > best wishes > > M > > > > > > - > > aphoton47 > > > > Monday, November 27, 2006 12:41 PM > > Grahayuddha > > > > > > Recently--on October 30, 2006--Jupiter and Mercury were in > grahayuddha. > > Who would you say was the winner? And what results would you ascribe > > to the winning planet? What is your experience of grahayuddha? > > > > --Radha S. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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