Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 Arudha is maya in horoscope! Lagna is about the real deal! Take your pick and examine this concept! If you tune into better with your arudha, then you are on a vacation in this lifetime. If you tune into more accurately and personally with your lagna, then though life may not be a bed of roses but you are nearing the END! As we can change trains, we can choose a karma-vacation! We can move from the lagna to the arudha! THAT is what I think is the freewill is about! Ramakrishna I believe stated this story! We are like a goat tied to a pole with a thick rope within a big courtyard! The goat loves to chew and can chew the rope. Goat also loves to jump and escape!! Will THIS goat choose to just enjoy the tether it has been provided by the rope it was tied by or would it chew it away and break loose and then even bound out of the courtyard? I the human am the goat, Aries --- what do I want to be my reality? Why does the human reality begin with the goat/ram and end with the fish? That is astrologic! Always a choice if we accept it!! RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Sir, If I may ask a related question...... When the lord of the Lagna and Arudha Lagna, is the same planet, how do we interpret it? What is Maya then and what is the Truth? Regards, Divya Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Arudha is maya in horoscope! Lagna is about the real deal! Take your pick and examine this concept! If you tune into better with your arudha, then you are on a vacation in this lifetime. If you tune into more accurately and personally with your lagna, then though life may not be a bed of roses but you are nearing the END! As we can change trains, we can choose a karma-vacation! We can move from the lagna to the arudha! THAT is what I think is the freewill is about! Ramakrishna I believe stated this story! We are like a goat tied to a pole with a thick rope within a big courtyard! The goat loves to chew and can chew the rope. Goat also loves to jump and escape!! Will THIS goat choose to just enjoy the tether it has been provided by the rope it was tied by or would it chew it away and break loose and then even bound out of the courtyard? I the human am the goat, Aries --- what do I want to be my reality? Why does the human reality begin with the goat/ram and end with the fish? That is astrologic! Always a choice if we accept it!! RR Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Should you not be the one telling us that rather than asking -- since it seems that you have experienced it :-) RR , Divya <touchbase_divya wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Sir, > > If I may ask a related question...... > > When the lord of the Lagna and Arudha Lagna, is the same planet, how do we interpret it? What is Maya then and what is the Truth? > > Regards, > Divya > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > Arudha is maya in horoscope! > > Lagna is about the real deal! > > Take your pick and examine this concept! > > If you tune into better with your arudha, then you are on a vacation > in this lifetime. > > If you tune into more accurately and personally with your lagna, then > though life may not be a bed of roses but you are nearing the END! > > As we can change trains, we can choose a karma-vacation! We can move > from the lagna to the arudha! THAT is what I think is the freewill is > about! > > Ramakrishna I believe stated this story! > > We are like a goat tied to a pole with a thick rope within a big > courtyard! > > The goat loves to chew and can chew the rope. Goat also loves to jump > and escape!! > > Will THIS goat choose to just enjoy the tether it has been provided > by the rope it was tied by or would it chew it away and break loose > and then even bound out of the courtyard? > > I the human am the goat, Aries --- what do I want to be my reality? > > Why does the human reality begin with the goat/ram and end with the > fish? > > That is astrologic! > > Always a choice if we accept it!! > > RR > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 But first, Ranjanda, you need to elaborate how does one understand the "tuning" in Arudha or lagna in a chart. rishi --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: > Should you not be the one telling us that rather > than asking -- since > it seems that you have experienced it :-) > > RR > > > , Divya > <touchbase_divya > wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > If I may ask a related question...... > > > > When the lord of the Lagna and Arudha Lagna, is > the same planet, > how do we interpret it? What is Maya then and what > is the Truth? > > > > Regards, > > Divya > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Arudha is maya in horoscope! > > > > Lagna is about the real deal! > > > > Take your pick and examine this concept! > > > > If you tune into better with your arudha, then you > are on a > vacation > > in this lifetime. > > > > If you tune into more accurately and personally > with your lagna, > then > > though life may not be a bed of roses but you are > nearing the END! > > > > As we can change trains, we can choose a > karma-vacation! We can > move > > from the lagna to the arudha! THAT is what I think > is the freewill > is > > about! > > > > Ramakrishna I believe stated this story! > > > > We are like a goat tied to a pole with a thick > rope within a big > > courtyard! > > > > The goat loves to chew and can chew the rope. Goat > also loves to > jump > > and escape!! > > > > Will THIS goat choose to just enjoy the tether it > has been provided > > by the rope it was tied by or would it chew it > away and break loose > > and then even bound out of the courtyard? > > > > I the human am the goat, Aries --- what do I want > to be my reality? > > > > Why does the human reality begin with the goat/ram > and end with the > > fish? > > > > That is astrologic! > > > > Always a choice if we accept it!! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - > Answers India > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from > Messenger > Version 8. Get it NOW > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. http://smallbusiness./r-index Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Looks like you did not hear the good news, Rishi! I resigned long ago from the post of Dean even before I was appointed! I will see what I can write up about the question you asked and respond to you. Thanks for asking RR , rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote: > > But first, Ranjanda, you need to elaborate how does > one understand the "tuning" in Arudha or lagna in a > chart. > rishi > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > Should you not be the one telling us that rather > > than asking -- since > > it seems that you have experienced it :-) > > > > RR > > > > > > , Divya > > <touchbase_divya@> > > wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > If I may ask a related question...... > > > > > > When the lord of the Lagna and Arudha Lagna, is > > the same planet, > > how do we interpret it? What is Maya then and what > > is the Truth? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Divya > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > Arudha is maya in horoscope! > > > > > > Lagna is about the real deal! > > > > > > Take your pick and examine this concept! > > > > > > If you tune into better with your arudha, then you > > are on a > > vacation > > > in this lifetime. > > > > > > If you tune into more accurately and personally > > with your lagna, > > then > > > though life may not be a bed of roses but you are > > nearing the END! > > > > > > As we can change trains, we can choose a > > karma-vacation! We can > > move > > > from the lagna to the arudha! THAT is what I think > > is the freewill > > is > > > about! > > > > > > Ramakrishna I believe stated this story! > > > > > > We are like a goat tied to a pole with a thick > > rope within a big > > > courtyard! > > > > > > The goat loves to chew and can chew the rope. Goat > > also loves to > > jump > > > and escape!! > > > > > > Will THIS goat choose to just enjoy the tether it > > has been provided > > > by the rope it was tied by or would it chew it > > away and break loose > > > and then even bound out of the courtyard? > > > > > > I the human am the goat, Aries --- what do I want > > to be my reality? > > > > > > Why does the human reality begin with the goat/ram > > and end with the > > > fish? > > > > > > That is astrologic! > > > > > > Always a choice if we accept it!! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - > > Answers India > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from > > Messenger > > Version 8. Get it NOW > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Want to start your own business? > Learn how on Small Business. > http://smallbusiness./r-index > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Each traveller on this path of Jyotish has a different worldview, the Desh, kaal and patra of the Jyotishi at times as important as that of the native. I was told a couple of days back to share.....so come on share. Khariddari nahin bhi karen par bazaar se back kar kahan ja sakte hein? And that resignation aparrently has not been accepted too!! rishi --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: > Looks like you did not hear the good news, Rishi! > > I resigned long ago from the post of Dean even > before I was appointed! > > I will see what I can write up about the question > you asked and > respond to you. > > Thanks for asking > > RR > > > , rishi > shukla > <rishi_2000in wrote: > > > > But first, Ranjanda, you need to elaborate how > does > > one understand the "tuning" in Arudha or lagna in > a > > chart. > > rishi > > > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > > > Should you not be the one telling us that rather > > > than asking -- since > > > it seems that you have experienced it :-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , Divya > > > <touchbase_divya@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > If I may ask a related question...... > > > > > > > > When the lord of the Lagna and Arudha Lagna, > is > > > the same planet, > > > how do we interpret it? What is Maya then and > what > > > is the Truth? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Divya > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Arudha is maya in horoscope! > > > > > > > > Lagna is about the real deal! > > > > > > > > Take your pick and examine this concept! > > > > > > > > If you tune into better with your arudha, then > you > > > are on a > > > vacation > > > > in this lifetime. > > > > > > > > If you tune into more accurately and > personally > > > with your lagna, > > > then > > > > though life may not be a bed of roses but you > are > > > nearing the END! > > > > > > > > As we can change trains, we can choose a > > > karma-vacation! We can > > > move > > > > from the lagna to the arudha! THAT is what I > think > > > is the freewill > > > is > > > > about! > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna I believe stated this story! > > > > > > > > We are like a goat tied to a pole with a thick > > > rope within a big > > > > courtyard! > > > > > > > > The goat loves to chew and can chew the rope. > Goat > > > also loves to > > > jump > > > > and escape!! > > > > > > > > Will THIS goat choose to just enjoy the tether > it > > > has been provided > > > > by the rope it was tied by or would it chew it > > > away and break loose > > > > and then even bound out of the courtyard? > > > > > > > > I the human am the goat, Aries --- what do I > want > > > to be my reality? > > > > > > > > Why does the human reality begin with the > goat/ram > > > and end with the > > > > fish? > > > > > > > > That is astrologic! > > > > > > > > Always a choice if we accept it!! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - > > > > Answers India > > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from > > > > Messenger > > > Version 8. Get it NOW > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > ______________ > > Want to start your own business? > > Learn how on Small Business. > > http://smallbusiness./r-index > > > > > Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music./unlimited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Maybe at Purushottam bhai's thelaa where we can share a chat! I love mirchi pakoraas. What is your preference? RR , rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Each traveller on this path of Jyotish has a different > worldview, the Desh, kaal and patra of the Jyotishi at > times as important as that of the native. > I was told a couple of days back to share.....so come > on share. > Khariddari nahin bhi karen par bazaar se back kar > kahan ja sakte hein? > And that resignation aparrently has not been accepted > too!! > rishi > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > Looks like you did not hear the good news, Rishi! > > > > I resigned long ago from the post of Dean even > > before I was appointed! > > > > I will see what I can write up about the question > > you asked and > > respond to you. > > > > Thanks for asking > > > > RR > > > > > > , rishi > > shukla > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > But first, Ranjanda, you need to elaborate how > > does > > > one understand the "tuning" in Arudha or lagna in > > a > > > chart. > > > rishi > > > > > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > Should you not be the one telling us that rather > > > > than asking -- since > > > > it seems that you have experienced it :-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , Divya > > > > <touchbase_divya@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > If I may ask a related question...... > > > > > > > > > > When the lord of the Lagna and Arudha Lagna, > > is > > > > the same planet, > > > > how do we interpret it? What is Maya then and > > what > > > > is the Truth? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Divya > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > Arudha is maya in horoscope! > > > > > > > > > > Lagna is about the real deal! > > > > > > > > > > Take your pick and examine this concept! > > > > > > > > > > If you tune into better with your arudha, then > > you > > > > are on a > > > > vacation > > > > > in this lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > If you tune into more accurately and > > personally > > > > with your lagna, > > > > then > > > > > though life may not be a bed of roses but you > > are > > > > nearing the END! > > > > > > > > > > As we can change trains, we can choose a > > > > karma-vacation! We can > > > > move > > > > > from the lagna to the arudha! THAT is what I > > think > > > > is the freewill > > > > is > > > > > about! > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna I believe stated this story! > > > > > > > > > > We are like a goat tied to a pole with a thick > > > > rope within a big > > > > > courtyard! > > > > > > > > > > The goat loves to chew and can chew the rope. > > Goat > > > > also loves to > > > > jump > > > > > and escape!! > > > > > > > > > > Will THIS goat choose to just enjoy the tether > > it > > > > has been provided > > > > > by the rope it was tied by or would it chew it > > > > away and break loose > > > > > and then even bound out of the courtyard? > > > > > > > > > > I the human am the goat, Aries --- what do I > > want > > > > to be my reality? > > > > > > > > > > Why does the human reality begin with the > > goat/ram > > > > and end with the > > > > > fish? > > > > > > > > > > That is astrologic! > > > > > > > > > > Always a choice if we accept it!! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - > > > > > > Answers India > > > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from > > > > > > Messenger > > > > Version 8. Get it NOW > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > > ______________ > > > Want to start your own business? > > > Learn how on Small Business. > > > http://smallbusiness./r-index > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. > http://music./unlimited > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Plenty of chaat come on over, I do not think Canada will offer mirchi pakodas rishi --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: > Maybe at Purushottam bhai's thelaa where we can > share a chat! > > I love mirchi pakoraas. What is your preference? > > RR > > , rishi > shukla > <rishi_2000in wrote: > > > > Each traveller on this path of Jyotish has a > different > > worldview, the Desh, kaal and patra of the > Jyotishi at > > times as important as that of the native. > > I was told a couple of days back to share.....so > come > > on share. > > Khariddari nahin bhi karen par bazaar se back kar > > kahan ja sakte hein? > > And that resignation aparrently has not been > accepted > > too!! > > rishi > > > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > > > Looks like you did not hear the good news, > Rishi! > > > > > > I resigned long ago from the post of Dean even > > > before I was appointed! > > > > > > I will see what I can write up about the > question > > > you asked and > > > respond to you. > > > > > > Thanks for asking > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , rishi > > > shukla > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > But first, Ranjanda, you need to elaborate how > > > does > > > > one understand the "tuning" in Arudha or lagna > in > > > a > > > > chart. > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Should you not be the one telling us that > rather > > > > > than asking -- since > > > > > it seems that you have experienced it :-) > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > Divya > > > > > <touchbase_divya@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > If I may ask a related question...... > > > > > > > > > > > > When the lord of the Lagna and Arudha > Lagna, > > > is > > > > > the same planet, > > > > > how do we interpret it? What is Maya then > and > > > what > > > > > is the Truth? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Divya > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Arudha is maya in horoscope! > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna is about the real deal! > > > > > > > > > > > > Take your pick and examine this concept! > > > > > > > > > > > > If you tune into better with your arudha, > then > > > you > > > > > are on a > > > > > vacation > > > > > > in this lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you tune into more accurately and > > > personally > > > > > with your lagna, > > > > > then > > > > > > though life may not be a bed of roses but > you > > > are > > > > > nearing the END! > > > > > > > > > > > > As we can change trains, we can choose a > > > > > karma-vacation! We can > > > > > move > > > > > > from the lagna to the arudha! THAT is what > I > > > think > > > > > is the freewill > > > > > is > > > > > > about! > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna I believe stated this story! > > > > > > > > > > > > We are like a goat tied to a pole with a > thick > > > > > rope within a big > > > > > > courtyard! > > > > > > > > > > > > The goat loves to chew and can chew the > rope. > > > Goat > > > > > also loves to > > > > > jump > > > > > > and escape!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Will THIS goat choose to just enjoy the > tether > > > it > > > > > has been provided > > > > > > by the rope it was tied by or would it > chew it > > > > > away and break loose > > > > > > and then even bound out of the courtyard? > > > > > > > > > > > > I the human am the goat, Aries --- what do > I > > > want > > > > > to be my reality? > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does the human reality begin with the > > > goat/ram > > > > > and end with the > > > > > > fish? > > > > > > > > > > > > That is astrologic! > > > > > > > > > > > > Always a choice if we accept it!! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on > - > > > > > > > > Answers India > > > > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile > from > > > > > > > > Messenger > > > > > Version 8. Get it NOW > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > > > ______________ > > > > Want to start your own business? > > > > Learn how on Small Business. > > > > http://smallbusiness./r-index > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 || Hare Rama Krishna || RRji, Experiences do not always give clarity. My views are biased. I am hoping for some objective views...... as seen by a Jyotishi (or as spoken by Jyotish Vani). Kindly oblige..... Regards, Divya Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Should you not be the one telling us that rather than asking -- since it seems that you have experienced it :-) RR , Divya <touchbase_divya wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Sir, > > If I may ask a related question...... > > When the lord of the Lagna and Arudha Lagna, is the same planet, how do we interpret it? What is Maya then and what is the Truth? > > Regards, > Divya > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > Arudha is maya in horoscope! > > Lagna is about the real deal! > > Take your pick and examine this concept! > > If you tune into better with your arudha, then you are on a vacation > in this lifetime. > > If you tune into more accurately and personally with your lagna, then > though life may not be a bed of roses but you are nearing the END! > > As we can change trains, we can choose a karma-vacation! We can move > from the lagna to the arudha! THAT is what I think is the freewill is > about! > > Ramakrishna I believe stated this story! > > We are like a goat tied to a pole with a thick rope within a big > courtyard! > > The goat loves to chew and can chew the rope. Goat also loves to jump > and escape!! > > Will THIS goat choose to just enjoy the tether it has been provided > by the rope it was tied by or would it chew it away and break loose > and then even bound out of the courtyard? > > I the human am the goat, Aries --- what do I want to be my reality? > > Why does the human reality begin with the goat/ram and end with the > fish? > > That is astrologic! > > Always a choice if we accept it!! > > RR > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Rishi ji, You would be surprised ...! India has historically been invaded for centuries. Now Indians are invading the world, though not in a confrontational or warlike invasion. More like an infusion that enriches. Win-Win!! RR , rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Plenty of chaat come on over, I do not think Canada > will offer mirchi pakodas > rishi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 We (not nativities but jyotishis) are like explorers, loosely similar to early scientists. We realize that there is a reality out there and a way to classify and categorize individual natures. We then utilize certain markers and indicators and try to figure out the nativity and its experiencing of karma and the life-plan. Does that remind you of the story of the five blind men trying to feel and describe a large animal? The different perspectives and angles of what I call personal indicators or astro-markers are how we try and probe around and then synthesize the image from different perspectives, none of which are directly visualized in a wholistic sense. The lagna, the arudha, the dispositors of lagnas, the ashtakavarga, the amshas, the balas, the sudarshana chart, are all different perspectives, different facets, different views of the entity that is never fully visualized, experienced or figured out neither by the jyotishis that are trying to read the multidimensional human being, nor by the human being (nativity) itself. It is tempting to pigeon-hole attributes and domains and boundaries, of lagna chart, of lunar, of arudha chart and so on and say that this aspect shows such and such rigid view. Little exploration would indicate that such is not the case. All aspects show maya, different phases of maya for the true being or shall I say True Being that is at the center of it all, of each of us is not captured in any horoscope or by astrology for that matter. The more the personal indicators are closer or together, superimposed, the stronger and more coherent the image is, like different waves all in phase and thus adding to the strength of the signal and not dissipating the different fragments into what can only be called unfocused influences or noise. When the lord of lagna and arudhesha or even when lagna and arudhesha are together, the individual is aware of his or her strength and weaknesses. When the person also manages to center and be alone with himself or herself, the strengths do not bring false pride, and the weaknesses do not bring embarassment or shame. The persona is better balanced. The stronger the indicators are, the stronger is the sense of control and the stronger is the awareness. When malefics are concerned, the quality of expression will be less forgiving, more confrontational, more covetous, more demanding, but if benefics are involved giving will come easily, the heart will be softer and more compassionate. Both spices and sugar are necessary for a balance tasteful meal, as are malefics and benefics. My belief is that if human evolution (ontogeny -- growth of a spiritual unit, 'soul') be viewed as a sequential process evolving over many birthtimes experienced sequentially (let us avoid the multidimensional parallel lives kind of complex scenario or such perception of time or non-existence thereof as described by Seth and others) -- then we begin in a noisy and scattered state with astro- indicators being anything but coherent (like a noisy baby), and gradually get our act together and the noise dies down and as the water (mind) stills, the image, the perception becomes clearer and adds to the clarity. Hence the importance of having a strong and still moon. And since moon would not find its expression without the sun, the light of the latter and its relative placement from the moon is important from the soul's perspective. What sun is to lagna, moon is to arudha. Arudha gets expressed best when the moon is stronger and more expressive. Therein exists the analogy of reflection. I can only provide general pointers (or perhaps jyotish-vani did!). Now it is up to you to examine it in your collection and either agree or disagree with what I described. Based upon that you will have a few choices: accept what I proposed, reject what I proposed, improve upon and add more details to what I described. Joy Thakur! RR , Divya <touchbase_divya wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > RRji, > > Experiences do not always give clarity. My views are biased. I am hoping for some objective views...... as seen by a Jyotishi (or as spoken by Jyotish Vani). Kindly oblige..... > > Regards, > Divya > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > Should you not be the one telling us that rather than asking -- since > it seems that you have experienced it :-) > > RR > > , Divya <touchbase_divya@> > wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > If I may ask a related question...... > > > > When the lord of the Lagna and Arudha Lagna, is the same planet, > how do we interpret it? What is Maya then and what is the Truth? > > > > Regards, > > Divya > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > Arudha is maya in horoscope! > > > > Lagna is about the real deal! > > > > Take your pick and examine this concept! > > > > If you tune into better with your arudha, then you are on a > vacation > > in this lifetime. > > > > If you tune into more accurately and personally with your lagna, > then > > though life may not be a bed of roses but you are nearing the END! > > > > As we can change trains, we can choose a karma-vacation! We can > move > > from the lagna to the arudha! THAT is what I think is the freewill > is > > about! > > > > Ramakrishna I believe stated this story! > > > > We are like a goat tied to a pole with a thick rope within a big > > courtyard! > > > > The goat loves to chew and can chew the rope. Goat also loves to > jump > > and escape!! > > > > Will THIS goat choose to just enjoy the tether it has been provided > > by the rope it was tied by or would it chew it away and break loose > > and then even bound out of the courtyard? > > > > I the human am the goat, Aries --- what do I want to be my reality? > > > > Why does the human reality begin with the goat/ram and end with the > > fish? > > > > That is astrologic! > > > > Always a choice if we accept it!! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger > Version 8. 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Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear RRji, Many thanks for your reply. I understand your point about different perspectives. But when the Rishis wrote the Jyotish texts, did they not see things in a wholistic sense? Why is the view from above, not whole? When you say the true being is not captured by any horoscope....... I wonder why. Does the 'true being' have no attributes? Even God is said to have infinite (anant) attributes. And if Jyotish has the capacity to make us realise our true selves, then why does a horoscope not capture it? Your words.....about awareness of weaknesses, benefics and compassion..... fit perfectly. (Rest I have to try and figure out). Though I do not have a collection as such (and my hard disk crashed few days back ), but will definitely try to see this in other horoscopes. Thanks & Regards, Divya Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: We (not nativities but jyotishis) are like explorers, loosely similar to early scientists. We realize that there is a reality out there and a way to classify and categorize individual natures. We then utilize certain markers and indicators and try to figure out the nativity and its experiencing of karma and the life-plan. Does that remind you of the story of the five blind men trying to feel and describe a large animal? The different perspectives and angles of what I call personal indicators or astro-markers are how we try and probe around and then synthesize the image from different perspectives, none of which are directly visualized in a wholistic sense. The lagna, the arudha, the dispositors of lagnas, the ashtakavarga, the amshas, the balas, the sudarshana chart, are all different perspectives, different facets, different views of the entity that is never fully visualized, experienced or figured out neither by the jyotishis that are trying to read the multidimensional human being, nor by the human being (nativity) itself. It is tempting to pigeon-hole attributes and domains and boundaries, of lagna chart, of lunar, of arudha chart and so on and say that this aspect shows such and such rigid view. Little exploration would indicate that such is not the case. All aspects show maya, different phases of maya for the true being or shall I say True Being that is at the center of it all, of each of us is not captured in any horoscope or by astrology for that matter. The more the personal indicators are closer or together, superimposed, the stronger and more coherent the image is, like different waves all in phase and thus adding to the strength of the signal and not dissipating the different fragments into what can only be called unfocused influences or noise. When the lord of lagna and arudhesha or even when lagna and arudhesha are together, the individual is aware of his or her strength and weaknesses. When the person also manages to center and be alone with himself or herself, the strengths do not bring false pride, and the weaknesses do not bring embarassment or shame. The persona is better balanced. The stronger the indicators are, the stronger is the sense of control and the stronger is the awareness. When malefics are concerned, the quality of expression will be less forgiving, more confrontational, more covetous, more demanding, but if benefics are involved giving will come easily, the heart will be softer and more compassionate. Both spices and sugar are necessary for a balance tasteful meal, as are malefics and benefics. My belief is that if human evolution (ontogeny -- growth of a spiritual unit, 'soul') be viewed as a sequential process evolving over many birthtimes experienced sequentially (let us avoid the multidimensional parallel lives kind of complex scenario or such perception of time or non-existence thereof as described by Seth and others) -- then we begin in a noisy and scattered state with astro- indicators being anything but coherent (like a noisy baby), and gradually get our act together and the noise dies down and as the water (mind) stills, the image, the perception becomes clearer and adds to the clarity. Hence the importance of having a strong and still moon. And since moon would not find its expression without the sun, the light of the latter and its relative placement from the moon is important from the soul's perspective. What sun is to lagna, moon is to arudha. Arudha gets expressed best when the moon is stronger and more expressive. Therein exists the analogy of reflection. I can only provide general pointers (or perhaps jyotish-vani did!). Now it is up to you to examine it in your collection and either agree or disagree with what I described. Based upon that you will have a few choices: accept what I proposed, reject what I proposed, improve upon and add more details to what I described. Joy Thakur! RR , Divya <touchbase_divya wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > RRji, > > Experiences do not always give clarity. My views are biased. I am hoping for some objective views...... as seen by a Jyotishi (or as spoken by Jyotish Vani). Kindly oblige..... > > Regards, > Divya > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > Should you not be the one telling us that rather than asking -- since > it seems that you have experienced it :-) > > RR > > , Divya <touchbase_divya@> > wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > If I may ask a related question...... > > > > When the lord of the Lagna and Arudha Lagna, is the same planet, > how do we interpret it? What is Maya then and what is the Truth? > > > > Regards, > > Divya > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > Arudha is maya in horoscope! > > > > Lagna is about the real deal! > > > > Take your pick and examine this concept! > > > > If you tune into better with your arudha, then you are on a > vacation > > in this lifetime. > > > > If you tune into more accurately and personally with your lagna, > then > > though life may not be a bed of roses but you are nearing the END! > > > > As we can change trains, we can choose a karma-vacation! We can > move > > from the lagna to the arudha! THAT is what I think is the freewill > is > > about! > > > > Ramakrishna I believe stated this story! > > > > We are like a goat tied to a pole with a thick rope within a big > > courtyard! > > > > The goat loves to chew and can chew the rope. Goat also loves to > jump > > and escape!! > > > > Will THIS goat choose to just enjoy the tether it has been provided > > by the rope it was tied by or would it chew it away and break loose > > and then even bound out of the courtyard? > > > > I the human am the goat, Aries --- what do I want to be my reality? > > > > Why does the human reality begin with the goat/ram and end with the > > fish? > > > > That is astrologic! > > > > Always a choice if we accept it!! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger > Version 8. 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Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 You are asking the wrong source, Divya :-) Answers are the shadows of question objects. Try to put more 'juice' into the Light and the answer will stand out ;-) RR , Divya <touchbase_divya wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear RRji, > > Many thanks for your reply. > > I understand your point about different perspectives. But when the Rishis wrote the Jyotish texts, did they not see things in a wholistic sense? Why is the view from above, not whole? > > When you say the true being is not captured by any horoscope....... > I wonder why. Does the 'true being' have no attributes? Even God is said to have infinite (anant) attributes. And if Jyotish has the capacity to make us realise our true selves, then why does a horoscope not capture it? > > Your words.....about awareness of weaknesses, benefics and compassion..... fit perfectly. (Rest I have to try and figure out). Though I do not have a collection as such (and my hard disk crashed few days back ), but will definitely try to see this in other horoscopes. > > Thanks & Regards, > Divya > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > We (not nativities but jyotishis) are like explorers, loosely similar > to early scientists. We realize that there is a reality out there and > a way to classify and categorize individual natures. We then utilize > certain markers and indicators and try to figure out the nativity and > its experiencing of karma and the life-plan. Does that remind you of > the story of the five blind men trying to feel and describe a large > animal? > > The different perspectives and angles of what I call personal > indicators or astro-markers are how we try and probe around and then > synthesize the image from different perspectives, none of which are > directly visualized in a wholistic sense. > > The lagna, the arudha, the dispositors of lagnas, the ashtakavarga, > the amshas, the balas, the sudarshana chart, are all different > perspectives, different facets, different views of the entity that is > never fully visualized, experienced or figured out neither by the > jyotishis that are trying to read the multidimensional human being, > nor by the human being (nativity) itself. > > It is tempting to pigeon-hole attributes and domains and boundaries, > of lagna chart, of lunar, of arudha chart and so on and say that this > aspect shows such and such rigid view. Little exploration would > indicate that such is not the case. All aspects show maya, different > phases of maya for the true being or shall I say True Being that is > at the center of it all, of each of us is not captured in any > horoscope or by astrology for that matter. > > The more the personal indicators are closer or together, > superimposed, the stronger and more coherent the image is, like > different waves all in phase and thus adding to the strength of the > signal and not dissipating the different fragments into what can only > be called unfocused influences or noise. > > When the lord of lagna and arudhesha or even when lagna and arudhesha > are together, the individual is aware of his or her strength and > weaknesses. When the person also manages to center and be alone with > himself or herself, the strengths do not bring false pride, and the > weaknesses do not bring embarassment or shame. The persona is better > balanced. The stronger the indicators are, the stronger is the sense > of control and the stronger is the awareness. When malefics are > concerned, the quality of expression will be less forgiving, more > confrontational, more covetous, more demanding, but if benefics are > involved giving will come easily, the heart will be softer and more > compassionate. Both spices and sugar are necessary for a balance > tasteful meal, as are malefics and benefics. > > My belief is that if human evolution (ontogeny -- growth of a > spiritual unit, 'soul') be viewed as a sequential process evolving > over many birthtimes experienced sequentially (let us avoid the > multidimensional parallel lives kind of complex scenario or such > perception of time or non-existence thereof as described by Seth and > others) -- then we begin in a noisy and scattered state with astro- > indicators being anything but coherent (like a noisy baby), and > gradually get our act together and the noise dies down and as the > water (mind) stills, the image, the perception becomes clearer and > adds to the clarity. Hence the importance of having a strong and > still moon. And since moon would not find its expression without the > sun, the light of the latter and its relative placement from the moon > is important from the soul's perspective. > > What sun is to lagna, moon is to arudha. Arudha gets expressed best > when the moon is stronger and more expressive. Therein exists the > analogy of reflection. > > I can only provide general pointers (or perhaps jyotish-vani did!). > Now it is up to you to examine it in your collection and either agree > or disagree with what I described. Based upon that you will have a > few choices: accept what I proposed, reject what I proposed, improve > upon and add more details to what I described. > > Joy Thakur! > > RR > > , Divya <touchbase_divya@> > wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > RRji, > > > > Experiences do not always give clarity. My views are biased. I am > hoping for some objective views...... as seen by a Jyotishi (or as > spoken by Jyotish Vani). Kindly oblige..... > > > > Regards, > > Divya > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > Should you not be the one telling us that rather than > asking -- since > > it seems that you have experienced it :-) > > > > RR > > > > , Divya <touchbase_divya@> > > wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > If I may ask a related question...... > > > > > > When the lord of the Lagna and Arudha Lagna, is the same planet, > > how do we interpret it? What is Maya then and what is the Truth? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Divya > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > Arudha is maya in horoscope! > > > > > > Lagna is about the real deal! > > > > > > Take your pick and examine this concept! > > > > > > If you tune into better with your arudha, then you are on a > > vacation > > > in this lifetime. > > > > > > If you tune into more accurately and personally with your lagna, > > then > > > though life may not be a bed of roses but you are nearing the END! > > > > > > As we can change trains, we can choose a karma-vacation! We can > > move > > > from the lagna to the arudha! THAT is what I think is the > freewill > > is > > > about! > > > > > > Ramakrishna I believe stated this story! > > > > > > We are like a goat tied to a pole with a thick rope within a big > > > courtyard! > > > > > > The goat loves to chew and can chew the rope. Goat also loves to > > jump > > > and escape!! > > > > > > Will THIS goat choose to just enjoy the tether it has been > provided > > > by the rope it was tied by or would it chew it away and break > loose > > > and then even bound out of the courtyard? > > > > > > I the human am the goat, Aries --- what do I want to be my > reality? > > > > > > Why does the human reality begin with the goat/ram and end with > the > > > fish? > > > > > > That is astrologic! > > > > > > Always a choice if we accept it!! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger > > Version 8. Get it NOW > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Dear RR, While calculating the arudha lagna, which house should be the arudha if the remainder is zero. Regards Sandeep On 11/27/06, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > You are asking the wrong source, Divya :-) > > Answers are the shadows of question objects. Try to put more 'juice' > into the Light and the answer will stand out ;-) > > RR > > <%40>, > Divya <touchbase_divya > wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > Many thanks for your reply. > > > > I understand your point about different perspectives. But when > the Rishis wrote the Jyotish texts, did they not see things in a > wholistic sense? Why is the view from above, not whole? > > > > When you say the true being is not captured by any > horoscope....... > > I wonder why. Does the 'true being' have no attributes? Even God > is said to have infinite (anant) attributes. And if Jyotish has the > capacity to make us realise our true selves, then why does a > horoscope not capture it? > > > > Your words.....about awareness of weaknesses, benefics and > compassion..... fit perfectly. (Rest I have to try and figure out). > Though I do not have a collection as such (and my hard disk crashed > few days back ), but will definitely try to see this in other > horoscopes. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Divya > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > We (not nativities but jyotishis) are like explorers, > loosely similar > > to early scientists. We realize that there is a reality out there > and > > a way to classify and categorize individual natures. We then > utilize > > certain markers and indicators and try to figure out the nativity > and > > its experiencing of karma and the life-plan. Does that remind you > of > > the story of the five blind men trying to feel and describe a large > > animal? > > > > The different perspectives and angles of what I call personal > > indicators or astro-markers are how we try and probe around and > then > > synthesize the image from different perspectives, none of which are > > directly visualized in a wholistic sense. > > > > The lagna, the arudha, the dispositors of lagnas, the ashtakavarga, > > the amshas, the balas, the sudarshana chart, are all different > > perspectives, different facets, different views of the entity that > is > > never fully visualized, experienced or figured out neither by the > > jyotishis that are trying to read the multidimensional human being, > > nor by the human being (nativity) itself. > > > > It is tempting to pigeon-hole attributes and domains and > boundaries, > > of lagna chart, of lunar, of arudha chart and so on and say that > this > > aspect shows such and such rigid view. Little exploration would > > indicate that such is not the case. All aspects show maya, > different > > phases of maya for the true being or shall I say True Being that is > > at the center of it all, of each of us is not captured in any > > horoscope or by astrology for that matter. > > > > The more the personal indicators are closer or together, > > superimposed, the stronger and more coherent the image is, like > > different waves all in phase and thus adding to the strength of the > > signal and not dissipating the different fragments into what can > only > > be called unfocused influences or noise. > > > > When the lord of lagna and arudhesha or even when lagna and > arudhesha > > are together, the individual is aware of his or her strength and > > weaknesses. When the person also manages to center and be alone > with > > himself or herself, the strengths do not bring false pride, and the > > weaknesses do not bring embarassment or shame. The persona is > better > > balanced. The stronger the indicators are, the stronger is the > sense > > of control and the stronger is the awareness. When malefics are > > concerned, the quality of expression will be less forgiving, more > > confrontational, more covetous, more demanding, but if benefics are > > involved giving will come easily, the heart will be softer and more > > compassionate. Both spices and sugar are necessary for a balance > > tasteful meal, as are malefics and benefics. > > > > My belief is that if human evolution (ontogeny -- growth of a > > spiritual unit, 'soul') be viewed as a sequential process evolving > > over many birthtimes experienced sequentially (let us avoid the > > multidimensional parallel lives kind of complex scenario or such > > perception of time or non-existence thereof as described by Seth > and > > others) -- then we begin in a noisy and scattered state with astro- > > indicators being anything but coherent (like a noisy baby), and > > gradually get our act together and the noise dies down and as the > > water (mind) stills, the image, the perception becomes clearer and > > adds to the clarity. Hence the importance of having a strong and > > still moon. And since moon would not find its expression without > the > > sun, the light of the latter and its relative placement from the > moon > > is important from the soul's perspective. > > > > What sun is to lagna, moon is to arudha. Arudha gets expressed best > > when the moon is stronger and more expressive. Therein exists the > > analogy of reflection. > > > > I can only provide general pointers (or perhaps jyotish-vani did!). > > Now it is up to you to examine it in your collection and either > agree > > or disagree with what I described. Based upon that you will have a > > few choices: accept what I proposed, reject what I proposed, > improve > > upon and add more details to what I described. > > > > Joy Thakur! > > > > RR > > > > <%40>, > Divya <touchbase_divya@> > > wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > RRji, > > > > > > Experiences do not always give clarity. My views are biased. I am > > hoping for some objective views...... as seen by a Jyotishi (or as > > spoken by Jyotish Vani). Kindly oblige..... > > > > > > Regards, > > > Divya > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > Should you not be the one telling us that rather than > > asking -- since > > > it seems that you have experienced it :-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > <%40>, > Divya <touchbase_divya@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > If I may ask a related question...... > > > > > > > > When the lord of the Lagna and Arudha Lagna, is the same > planet, > > > how do we interpret it? What is Maya then and what is the Truth? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Divya > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Arudha is maya in horoscope! > > > > > > > > Lagna is about the real deal! > > > > > > > > Take your pick and examine this concept! > > > > > > > > If you tune into better with your arudha, then you are on a > > > vacation > > > > in this lifetime. > > > > > > > > If you tune into more accurately and personally with your > lagna, > > > then > > > > though life may not be a bed of roses but you are nearing the > END! > > > > > > > > As we can change trains, we can choose a karma-vacation! We can > > > move > > > > from the lagna to the arudha! THAT is what I think is the > > freewill > > > is > > > > about! > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna I believe stated this story! > > > > > > > > We are like a goat tied to a pole with a thick rope within a > big > > > > courtyard! > > > > > > > > The goat loves to chew and can chew the rope. Goat also loves > to > > > jump > > > > and escape!! > > > > > > > > Will THIS goat choose to just enjoy the tether it has been > > provided > > > > by the rope it was tied by or would it chew it away and break > > loose > > > > and then even bound out of the courtyard? > > > > > > > > I the human am the goat, Aries --- what do I want to be my > > reality? > > > > > > > > Why does the human reality begin with the goat/ram and end with > > the > > > > fish? > > > > > > > > That is astrologic! > > > > > > > > Always a choice if we accept it!! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger > > > Version 8. Get it NOW > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 by remainder you are probably meaning that the lord is in its own house, right? BPHS recommends in such cases (and where the arudha/pada falls in 7th from the house under consideration) to take the tenth house. KN Rao, on the other hand is of the opinion that the tenth house displacement must not be used. RR , "s g" <sg.1000 wrote: > > Dear RR, > > While calculating the arudha lagna, which house should be the arudha if the > remainder is zero. > > Regards > Sandeep > > > On 11/27/06, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > > You are asking the wrong source, Divya :-) > > > > Answers are the shadows of question objects. Try to put more 'juice' > > into the Light and the answer will stand out ;-) > > > > RR > > > > <% 40>, > > Divya <touchbase_divya@> > > wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > Many thanks for your reply. > > > > > > I understand your point about different perspectives. But when > > the Rishis wrote the Jyotish texts, did they not see things in a > > wholistic sense? Why is the view from above, not whole? > > > > > > When you say the true being is not captured by any > > horoscope....... > > > I wonder why. Does the 'true being' have no attributes? Even God > > is said to have infinite (anant) attributes. And if Jyotish has the > > capacity to make us realise our true selves, then why does a > > horoscope not capture it? > > > > > > Your words.....about awareness of weaknesses, benefics and > > compassion..... fit perfectly. (Rest I have to try and figure out). > > Though I do not have a collection as such (and my hard disk crashed > > few days back ), but will definitely try to see this in other > > horoscopes. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > Divya > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > We (not nativities but jyotishis) are like explorers, > > loosely similar > > > to early scientists. We realize that there is a reality out there > > and > > > a way to classify and categorize individual natures. We then > > utilize > > > certain markers and indicators and try to figure out the nativity > > and > > > its experiencing of karma and the life-plan. Does that remind you > > of > > > the story of the five blind men trying to feel and describe a large > > > animal? > > > > > > The different perspectives and angles of what I call personal > > > indicators or astro-markers are how we try and probe around and > > then > > > synthesize the image from different perspectives, none of which are > > > directly visualized in a wholistic sense. > > > > > > The lagna, the arudha, the dispositors of lagnas, the ashtakavarga, > > > the amshas, the balas, the sudarshana chart, are all different > > > perspectives, different facets, different views of the entity that > > is > > > never fully visualized, experienced or figured out neither by the > > > jyotishis that are trying to read the multidimensional human being, > > > nor by the human being (nativity) itself. > > > > > > It is tempting to pigeon-hole attributes and domains and > > boundaries, > > > of lagna chart, of lunar, of arudha chart and so on and say that > > this > > > aspect shows such and such rigid view. Little exploration would > > > indicate that such is not the case. All aspects show maya, > > different > > > phases of maya for the true being or shall I say True Being that is > > > at the center of it all, of each of us is not captured in any > > > horoscope or by astrology for that matter. > > > > > > The more the personal indicators are closer or together, > > > superimposed, the stronger and more coherent the image is, like > > > different waves all in phase and thus adding to the strength of the > > > signal and not dissipating the different fragments into what can > > only > > > be called unfocused influences or noise. > > > > > > When the lord of lagna and arudhesha or even when lagna and > > arudhesha > > > are together, the individual is aware of his or her strength and > > > weaknesses. When the person also manages to center and be alone > > with > > > himself or herself, the strengths do not bring false pride, and the > > > weaknesses do not bring embarassment or shame. The persona is > > better > > > balanced. The stronger the indicators are, the stronger is the > > sense > > > of control and the stronger is the awareness. When malefics are > > > concerned, the quality of expression will be less forgiving, more > > > confrontational, more covetous, more demanding, but if benefics are > > > involved giving will come easily, the heart will be softer and more > > > compassionate. Both spices and sugar are necessary for a balance > > > tasteful meal, as are malefics and benefics. > > > > > > My belief is that if human evolution (ontogeny -- growth of a > > > spiritual unit, 'soul') be viewed as a sequential process evolving > > > over many birthtimes experienced sequentially (let us avoid the > > > multidimensional parallel lives kind of complex scenario or such > > > perception of time or non-existence thereof as described by Seth > > and > > > others) -- then we begin in a noisy and scattered state with astro- > > > indicators being anything but coherent (like a noisy baby), and > > > gradually get our act together and the noise dies down and as the > > > water (mind) stills, the image, the perception becomes clearer and > > > adds to the clarity. Hence the importance of having a strong and > > > still moon. And since moon would not find its expression without > > the > > > sun, the light of the latter and its relative placement from the > > moon > > > is important from the soul's perspective. > > > > > > What sun is to lagna, moon is to arudha. Arudha gets expressed best > > > when the moon is stronger and more expressive. Therein exists the > > > analogy of reflection. > > > > > > I can only provide general pointers (or perhaps jyotish-vani did!). > > > Now it is up to you to examine it in your collection and either > > agree > > > or disagree with what I described. Based upon that you will have a > > > few choices: accept what I proposed, reject what I proposed, > > improve > > > upon and add more details to what I described. > > > > > > Joy Thakur! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > <% 40>, > > Divya <touchbase_divya@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > RRji, > > > > > > > > Experiences do not always give clarity. My views are biased. I am > > > hoping for some objective views...... as seen by a Jyotishi (or as > > > spoken by Jyotish Vani). Kindly oblige..... > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Divya > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Should you not be the one telling us that rather than > > > asking -- since > > > > it seems that you have experienced it :-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > <% 40>, > > Divya <touchbase_divya@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > If I may ask a related question...... > > > > > > > > > > When the lord of the Lagna and Arudha Lagna, is the same > > planet, > > > > how do we interpret it? What is Maya then and what is the Truth? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Divya > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > Arudha is maya in horoscope! > > > > > > > > > > Lagna is about the real deal! > > > > > > > > > > Take your pick and examine this concept! > > > > > > > > > > If you tune into better with your arudha, then you are on a > > > > vacation > > > > > in this lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > If you tune into more accurately and personally with your > > lagna, > > > > then > > > > > though life may not be a bed of roses but you are nearing the > > END! > > > > > > > > > > As we can change trains, we can choose a karma-vacation! We can > > > > move > > > > > from the lagna to the arudha! THAT is what I think is the > > > freewill > > > > is > > > > > about! > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna I believe stated this story! > > > > > > > > > > We are like a goat tied to a pole with a thick rope within a > > big > > > > > courtyard! > > > > > > > > > > The goat loves to chew and can chew the rope. Goat also loves > > to > > > > jump > > > > > and escape!! > > > > > > > > > > Will THIS goat choose to just enjoy the tether it has been > > > provided > > > > > by the rope it was tied by or would it chew it away and break > > > loose > > > > > and then even bound out of the courtyard? > > > > > > > > > > I the human am the goat, Aries --- what do I want to be my > > > reality? > > > > > > > > > > Why does the human reality begin with the goat/ram and end with > > > the > > > > > fish? > > > > > > > > > > That is astrologic! > > > > > > > > > > Always a choice if we accept it!! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > > > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger > > > > Version 8. Get it NOW > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 dear RR, I am sorry I mix up Arudha and Dhana lagna. I want to ask abt Dhana lagna. As per B V Raman, to all the seven planets a root number is assigned. And for calculating the Dhana lagna take the lords of 9th house from lagna and the moon. Add the root number and divide by 12. The remainder counter from chandra lagna goes under the name of special chandra lagna called dhana lagna. So lets take the example DOB: 26-10-1976 5:50 am Kanpur Here the 9th house lord from the lagna is Mercury(Gemini). And from Moon (2nd house) is Moon(Cancer). So the sum of root numbers is 16 + 8 = 24. Divide by 12; balance is 0. Which should be the dhana lagna. On 11/27/06, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > by remainder you are probably meaning that the lord is in its own > house, right? BPHS recommends in such cases (and where the > arudha/pada falls in 7th from the house under consideration) to take > the tenth house. KN Rao, on the other hand is of the opinion that the > tenth house displacement must not be used. > > RR > > <%40>, > "s g" <sg.1000 wrote: > > > > Dear RR, > > > > While calculating the arudha lagna, which house should be the > arudha if the > > remainder is zero. > > > > Regards > > Sandeep > > > > > > On 11/27/06, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > > > > You are asking the wrong source, Divya :-) > > > > > > Answers are the shadows of question objects. Try to put > more 'juice' > > > into the Light and the answer will stand out ;-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > <%40> > <% > 40>, > > > Divya <touchbase_divya@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > Many thanks for your reply. > > > > > > > > I understand your point about different perspectives. But when > > > the Rishis wrote the Jyotish texts, did they not see things in a > > > wholistic sense? Why is the view from above, not whole? > > > > > > > > When you say the true being is not captured by any > > > horoscope....... > > > > I wonder why. Does the 'true being' have no attributes? Even God > > > is said to have infinite (anant) attributes. And if Jyotish has > the > > > capacity to make us realise our true selves, then why does a > > > horoscope not capture it? > > > > > > > > Your words.....about awareness of weaknesses, benefics and > > > compassion..... fit perfectly. (Rest I have to try and figure > out). > > > Though I do not have a collection as such (and my hard disk > crashed > > > few days back ), but will definitely try to see this in other > > > horoscopes. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Divya > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > We (not nativities but jyotishis) are like explorers, > > > loosely similar > > > > to early scientists. We realize that there is a reality out > there > > > and > > > > a way to classify and categorize individual natures. We then > > > utilize > > > > certain markers and indicators and try to figure out the > nativity > > > and > > > > its experiencing of karma and the life-plan. Does that remind > you > > > of > > > > the story of the five blind men trying to feel and describe a > large > > > > animal? > > > > > > > > The different perspectives and angles of what I call personal > > > > indicators or astro-markers are how we try and probe around and > > > then > > > > synthesize the image from different perspectives, none of which > are > > > > directly visualized in a wholistic sense. > > > > > > > > The lagna, the arudha, the dispositors of lagnas, the > ashtakavarga, > > > > the amshas, the balas, the sudarshana chart, are all different > > > > perspectives, different facets, different views of the entity > that > > > is > > > > never fully visualized, experienced or figured out neither by > the > > > > jyotishis that are trying to read the multidimensional human > being, > > > > nor by the human being (nativity) itself. > > > > > > > > It is tempting to pigeon-hole attributes and domains and > > > boundaries, > > > > of lagna chart, of lunar, of arudha chart and so on and say that > > > this > > > > aspect shows such and such rigid view. Little exploration would > > > > indicate that such is not the case. All aspects show maya, > > > different > > > > phases of maya for the true being or shall I say True Being > that is > > > > at the center of it all, of each of us is not captured in any > > > > horoscope or by astrology for that matter. > > > > > > > > The more the personal indicators are closer or together, > > > > superimposed, the stronger and more coherent the image is, like > > > > different waves all in phase and thus adding to the strength of > the > > > > signal and not dissipating the different fragments into what can > > > only > > > > be called unfocused influences or noise. > > > > > > > > When the lord of lagna and arudhesha or even when lagna and > > > arudhesha > > > > are together, the individual is aware of his or her strength and > > > > weaknesses. When the person also manages to center and be alone > > > with > > > > himself or herself, the strengths do not bring false pride, and > the > > > > weaknesses do not bring embarassment or shame. The persona is > > > better > > > > balanced. The stronger the indicators are, the stronger is the > > > sense > > > > of control and the stronger is the awareness. When malefics are > > > > concerned, the quality of expression will be less forgiving, > more > > > > confrontational, more covetous, more demanding, but if benefics > are > > > > involved giving will come easily, the heart will be softer and > more > > > > compassionate. Both spices and sugar are necessary for a balance > > > > tasteful meal, as are malefics and benefics. > > > > > > > > My belief is that if human evolution (ontogeny -- growth of a > > > > spiritual unit, 'soul') be viewed as a sequential process > evolving > > > > over many birthtimes experienced sequentially (let us avoid the > > > > multidimensional parallel lives kind of complex scenario or such > > > > perception of time or non-existence thereof as described by Seth > > > and > > > > others) -- then we begin in a noisy and scattered state with > astro- > > > > indicators being anything but coherent (like a noisy baby), and > > > > gradually get our act together and the noise dies down and as > the > > > > water (mind) stills, the image, the perception becomes clearer > and > > > > adds to the clarity. Hence the importance of having a strong and > > > > still moon. And since moon would not find its expression without > > > the > > > > sun, the light of the latter and its relative placement from the > > > moon > > > > is important from the soul's perspective. > > > > > > > > What sun is to lagna, moon is to arudha. Arudha gets expressed > best > > > > when the moon is stronger and more expressive. Therein exists > the > > > > analogy of reflection. > > > > > > > > I can only provide general pointers (or perhaps jyotish-vani > did!). > > > > Now it is up to you to examine it in your collection and either > > > agree > > > > or disagree with what I described. Based upon that you will > have a > > > > few choices: accept what I proposed, reject what I proposed, > > > improve > > > > upon and add more details to what I described. > > > > > > > > Joy Thakur! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > <%40> > <% > 40>, > > > Divya <touchbase_divya@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > RRji, > > > > > > > > > > Experiences do not always give clarity. My views are biased. > I am > > > > hoping for some objective views...... as seen by a Jyotishi (or > as > > > > spoken by Jyotish Vani). Kindly oblige..... > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Divya > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > Should you not be the one telling us that rather than > > > > asking -- since > > > > > it seems that you have experienced it :-) > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > <% > 40>, > > > Divya <touchbase_divya@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > If I may ask a related question...... > > > > > > > > > > > > When the lord of the Lagna and Arudha Lagna, is the same > > > planet, > > > > > how do we interpret it? What is Maya then and what is the > Truth? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Divya > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Arudha is maya in horoscope! > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna is about the real deal! > > > > > > > > > > > > Take your pick and examine this concept! > > > > > > > > > > > > If you tune into better with your arudha, then you are on a > > > > > vacation > > > > > > in this lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you tune into more accurately and personally with your > > > lagna, > > > > > then > > > > > > though life may not be a bed of roses but you are nearing > the > > > END! > > > > > > > > > > > > As we can change trains, we can choose a karma-vacation! We > can > > > > > move > > > > > > from the lagna to the arudha! THAT is what I think is the > > > > freewill > > > > > is > > > > > > about! > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna I believe stated this story! > > > > > > > > > > > > We are like a goat tied to a pole with a thick rope within a > > > big > > > > > > courtyard! > > > > > > > > > > > > The goat loves to chew and can chew the rope. Goat also > loves > > > to > > > > > jump > > > > > > and escape!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Will THIS goat choose to just enjoy the tether it has been > > > > provided > > > > > > by the rope it was tied by or would it chew it away and > break > > > > loose > > > > > > and then even bound out of the courtyard? > > > > > > > > > > > > I the human am the goat, Aries --- what do I want to be my > > > > reality? > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does the human reality begin with the goat/ram and end > with > > > > the > > > > > > fish? > > > > > > > > > > > > That is astrologic! > > > > > > > > > > > > Always a choice if we accept it!! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers > India > > > > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger > > > > > Version 8. 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Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Sir, Making the light brighter (or putting more juice) doesn't seem to be in my hands. If, what we seek, comes from inside us, then maybe its intensity takes its own time to increase. Maybe, if I reach your stage, I will know how to help it from outside as well. Till then, I can only wait...... Regards, Divya Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: You are asking the wrong source, Divya :-) Answers are the shadows of question objects. Try to put more 'juice' into the Light and the answer will stand out ;-) RR , Divya <touchbase_divya wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear RRji, > > Many thanks for your reply. > > I understand your point about different perspectives. But when the Rishis wrote the Jyotish texts, did they not see things in a wholistic sense? Why is the view from above, not whole? > > When you say the true being is not captured by any horoscope....... > I wonder why. Does the 'true being' have no attributes? Even God is said to have infinite (anant) attributes. And if Jyotish has the capacity to make us realise our true selves, then why does a horoscope not capture it? > > Your words.....about awareness of weaknesses, benefics and compassion..... fit perfectly. (Rest I have to try and figure out). Though I do not have a collection as such (and my hard disk crashed few days back ), but will definitely try to see this in other horoscopes. > > Thanks & Regards, > Divya > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > We (not nativities but jyotishis) are like explorers, loosely similar > to early scientists. We realize that there is a reality out there and > a way to classify and categorize individual natures. We then utilize > certain markers and indicators and try to figure out the nativity and > its experiencing of karma and the life-plan. Does that remind you of > the story of the five blind men trying to feel and describe a large > animal? > > The different perspectives and angles of what I call personal > indicators or astro-markers are how we try and probe around and then > synthesize the image from different perspectives, none of which are > directly visualized in a wholistic sense. > > The lagna, the arudha, the dispositors of lagnas, the ashtakavarga, > the amshas, the balas, the sudarshana chart, are all different > perspectives, different facets, different views of the entity that is > never fully visualized, experienced or figured out neither by the > jyotishis that are trying to read the multidimensional human being, > nor by the human being (nativity) itself. > > It is tempting to pigeon-hole attributes and domains and boundaries, > of lagna chart, of lunar, of arudha chart and so on and say that this > aspect shows such and such rigid view. Little exploration would > indicate that such is not the case. All aspects show maya, different > phases of maya for the true being or shall I say True Being that is > at the center of it all, of each of us is not captured in any > horoscope or by astrology for that matter. > > The more the personal indicators are closer or together, > superimposed, the stronger and more coherent the image is, like > different waves all in phase and thus adding to the strength of the > signal and not dissipating the different fragments into what can only > be called unfocused influences or noise. > > When the lord of lagna and arudhesha or even when lagna and arudhesha > are together, the individual is aware of his or her strength and > weaknesses. When the person also manages to center and be alone with > himself or herself, the strengths do not bring false pride, and the > weaknesses do not bring embarassment or shame. The persona is better > balanced. The stronger the indicators are, the stronger is the sense > of control and the stronger is the awareness. When malefics are > concerned, the quality of expression will be less forgiving, more > confrontational, more covetous, more demanding, but if benefics are > involved giving will come easily, the heart will be softer and more > compassionate. Both spices and sugar are necessary for a balance > tasteful meal, as are malefics and benefics. > > My belief is that if human evolution (ontogeny -- growth of a > spiritual unit, 'soul') be viewed as a sequential process evolving > over many birthtimes experienced sequentially (let us avoid the > multidimensional parallel lives kind of complex scenario or such > perception of time or non-existence thereof as described by Seth and > others) -- then we begin in a noisy and scattered state with astro- > indicators being anything but coherent (like a noisy baby), and > gradually get our act together and the noise dies down and as the > water (mind) stills, the image, the perception becomes clearer and > adds to the clarity. Hence the importance of having a strong and > still moon. And since moon would not find its expression without the > sun, the light of the latter and its relative placement from the moon > is important from the soul's perspective. > > What sun is to lagna, moon is to arudha. Arudha gets expressed best > when the moon is stronger and more expressive. Therein exists the > analogy of reflection. > > I can only provide general pointers (or perhaps jyotish-vani did!). > Now it is up to you to examine it in your collection and either agree > or disagree with what I described. Based upon that you will have a > few choices: accept what I proposed, reject what I proposed, improve > upon and add more details to what I described. > > Joy Thakur! > > RR > > , Divya <touchbase_divya@> > wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > RRji, > > > > Experiences do not always give clarity. My views are biased. I am > hoping for some objective views...... as seen by a Jyotishi (or as > spoken by Jyotish Vani). Kindly oblige..... > > > > Regards, > > Divya > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > Should you not be the one telling us that rather than > asking -- since > > it seems that you have experienced it :-) > > > > RR > > > > , Divya <touchbase_divya@> > > wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > If I may ask a related question...... > > > > > > When the lord of the Lagna and Arudha Lagna, is the same planet, > > how do we interpret it? What is Maya then and what is the Truth? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Divya > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > Arudha is maya in horoscope! > > > > > > Lagna is about the real deal! > > > > > > Take your pick and examine this concept! > > > > > > If you tune into better with your arudha, then you are on a > > vacation > > > in this lifetime. > > > > > > If you tune into more accurately and personally with your lagna, > > then > > > though life may not be a bed of roses but you are nearing the END! > > > > > > As we can change trains, we can choose a karma-vacation! We can > > move > > > from the lagna to the arudha! THAT is what I think is the > freewill > > is > > > about! > > > > > > Ramakrishna I believe stated this story! > > > > > > We are like a goat tied to a pole with a thick rope within a big > > > courtyard! > > > > > > The goat loves to chew and can chew the rope. Goat also loves to > > jump > > > and escape!! > > > > > > Will THIS goat choose to just enjoy the tether it has been > provided > > > by the rope it was tied by or would it chew it away and break > loose > > > and then even bound out of the courtyard? > > > > > > I the human am the goat, Aries --- what do I want to be my > reality? > > > > > > Why does the human reality begin with the goat/ram and end with > the > > > fish? > > > > > > That is astrologic! > > > > > > Always a choice if we accept it!! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger > > Version 8. Get it NOW > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Okay -- arudha/pada is somewhat similar to the bhavatbhavam consideration (not identical). If dhanu is rising and jupiter is in aquarius, arudha is in aries. If dhanu is in the fourth house and jupiter is in dhanu then the pada of the fourth house is in the lagna. Pada of the first house is called arudha. RR , "s g" <sg.1000 wrote: > > dear RR, > > I am sorry I mix up Arudha and Dhana lagna. I want to ask abt Dhana lagna. > As per B V Raman, to all the seven planets a root number is assigned. And > for calculating the Dhana lagna take the lords of 9th house from lagna and > the moon. > Add the root number and divide by 12. The remainder counter from chandra > lagna goes under the name of special chandra lagna called dhana lagna. > > So lets take the example > DOB: 26-10-1976 5:50 am Kanpur > > Here the 9th house lord from the lagna is Mercury(Gemini). And from Moon > (2nd house) is Moon(Cancer). > So the sum of root numbers is 16 + 8 = 24. > Divide by 12; balance is 0. > > Which should be the dhana lagna. > > > On 11/27/06, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > > by remainder you are probably meaning that the lord is in its own > > house, right? BPHS recommends in such cases (and where the > > arudha/pada falls in 7th from the house under consideration) to take > > the tenth house. KN Rao, on the other hand is of the opinion that the > > tenth house displacement must not be used. > > > > RR > > > > <% 40>, > > "s g" <sg.1000@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RR, > > > > > > While calculating the arudha lagna, which house should be the > > arudha if the > > > remainder is zero. > > > > > > Regards > > > Sandeep > > > > > > > > > On 11/27/06, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > You are asking the wrong source, Divya :-) > > > > > > > > Answers are the shadows of question objects. Try to put > > more 'juice' > > > > into the Light and the answer will stand out ;-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > <% 40> > > <% > > 40>, > > > > Divya <touchbase_divya@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for your reply. > > > > > > > > > > I understand your point about different perspectives. But when > > > > the Rishis wrote the Jyotish texts, did they not see things in a > > > > wholistic sense? Why is the view from above, not whole? > > > > > > > > > > When you say the true being is not captured by any > > > > horoscope....... > > > > > I wonder why. Does the 'true being' have no attributes? Even God > > > > is said to have infinite (anant) attributes. And if Jyotish has > > the > > > > capacity to make us realise our true selves, then why does a > > > > horoscope not capture it? > > > > > > > > > > Your words.....about awareness of weaknesses, benefics and > > > > compassion..... fit perfectly. (Rest I have to try and figure > > out). > > > > Though I do not have a collection as such (and my hard disk > > crashed > > > > few days back ), but will definitely try to see this in other > > > > horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > Divya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > We (not nativities but jyotishis) are like explorers, > > > > loosely similar > > > > > to early scientists. We realize that there is a reality out > > there > > > > and > > > > > a way to classify and categorize individual natures. We then > > > > utilize > > > > > certain markers and indicators and try to figure out the > > nativity > > > > and > > > > > its experiencing of karma and the life-plan. Does that remind > > you > > > > of > > > > > the story of the five blind men trying to feel and describe a > > large > > > > > animal? > > > > > > > > > > The different perspectives and angles of what I call personal > > > > > indicators or astro-markers are how we try and probe around and > > > > then > > > > > synthesize the image from different perspectives, none of which > > are > > > > > directly visualized in a wholistic sense. > > > > > > > > > > The lagna, the arudha, the dispositors of lagnas, the > > ashtakavarga, > > > > > the amshas, the balas, the sudarshana chart, are all different > > > > > perspectives, different facets, different views of the entity > > that > > > > is > > > > > never fully visualized, experienced or figured out neither by > > the > > > > > jyotishis that are trying to read the multidimensional human > > being, > > > > > nor by the human being (nativity) itself. > > > > > > > > > > It is tempting to pigeon-hole attributes and domains and > > > > boundaries, > > > > > of lagna chart, of lunar, of arudha chart and so on and say that > > > > this > > > > > aspect shows such and such rigid view. Little exploration would > > > > > indicate that such is not the case. All aspects show maya, > > > > different > > > > > phases of maya for the true being or shall I say True Being > > that is > > > > > at the center of it all, of each of us is not captured in any > > > > > horoscope or by astrology for that matter. > > > > > > > > > > The more the personal indicators are closer or together, > > > > > superimposed, the stronger and more coherent the image is, like > > > > > different waves all in phase and thus adding to the strength of > > the > > > > > signal and not dissipating the different fragments into what can > > > > only > > > > > be called unfocused influences or noise. > > > > > > > > > > When the lord of lagna and arudhesha or even when lagna and > > > > arudhesha > > > > > are together, the individual is aware of his or her strength and > > > > > weaknesses. When the person also manages to center and be alone > > > > with > > > > > himself or herself, the strengths do not bring false pride, and > > the > > > > > weaknesses do not bring embarassment or shame. The persona is > > > > better > > > > > balanced. The stronger the indicators are, the stronger is the > > > > sense > > > > > of control and the stronger is the awareness. When malefics are > > > > > concerned, the quality of expression will be less forgiving, > > more > > > > > confrontational, more covetous, more demanding, but if benefics > > are > > > > > involved giving will come easily, the heart will be softer and > > more > > > > > compassionate. Both spices and sugar are necessary for a balance > > > > > tasteful meal, as are malefics and benefics. > > > > > > > > > > My belief is that if human evolution (ontogeny -- growth of a > > > > > spiritual unit, 'soul') be viewed as a sequential process > > evolving > > > > > over many birthtimes experienced sequentially (let us avoid the > > > > > multidimensional parallel lives kind of complex scenario or such > > > > > perception of time or non-existence thereof as described by Seth > > > > and > > > > > others) -- then we begin in a noisy and scattered state with > > astro- > > > > > indicators being anything but coherent (like a noisy baby), and > > > > > gradually get our act together and the noise dies down and as > > the > > > > > water (mind) stills, the image, the perception becomes clearer > > and > > > > > adds to the clarity. Hence the importance of having a strong and > > > > > still moon. And since moon would not find its expression without > > > > the > > > > > sun, the light of the latter and its relative placement from the > > > > moon > > > > > is important from the soul's perspective. > > > > > > > > > > What sun is to lagna, moon is to arudha. Arudha gets expressed > > best > > > > > when the moon is stronger and more expressive. Therein exists > > the > > > > > analogy of reflection. > > > > > > > > > > I can only provide general pointers (or perhaps jyotish-vani > > did!). > > > > > Now it is up to you to examine it in your collection and either > > > > agree > > > > > or disagree with what I described. Based upon that you will > > have a > > > > > few choices: accept what I proposed, reject what I proposed, > > > > improve > > > > > upon and add more details to what I described. > > > > > > > > > > Joy Thakur! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > <% 40> > > <% > > 40>, > > > > Divya <touchbase_divya@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > RRji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Experiences do not always give clarity. My views are biased. > > I am > > > > > hoping for some objective views...... as seen by a Jyotishi (or > > as > > > > > spoken by Jyotish Vani). Kindly oblige..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Divya > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Should you not be the one telling us that rather than > > > > > asking -- since > > > > > > it seems that you have experienced it :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40> > > <% > > 40>, > > > > Divya <touchbase_divya@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I may ask a related question...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the lord of the Lagna and Arudha Lagna, is the same > > > > planet, > > > > > > how do we interpret it? What is Maya then and what is the > > Truth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Divya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > Arudha is maya in horoscope! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna is about the real deal! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take your pick and examine this concept! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you tune into better with your arudha, then you are on a > > > > > > vacation > > > > > > > in this lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you tune into more accurately and personally with your > > > > lagna, > > > > > > then > > > > > > > though life may not be a bed of roses but you are nearing > > the > > > > END! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we can change trains, we can choose a karma- vacation! We > > can > > > > > > move > > > > > > > from the lagna to the arudha! THAT is what I think is the > > > > > freewill > > > > > > is > > > > > > > about! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna I believe stated this story! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are like a goat tied to a pole with a thick rope within a > > > > big > > > > > > > courtyard! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The goat loves to chew and can chew the rope. Goat also > > loves > > > > to > > > > > > jump > > > > > > > and escape!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will THIS goat choose to just enjoy the tether it has been > > > > > provided > > > > > > > by the rope it was tied by or would it chew it away and > > break > > > > > loose > > > > > > > and then even bound out of the courtyard? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I the human am the goat, Aries --- what do I want to be my > > > > > reality? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does the human reality begin with the goat/ram and end > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > > fish? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is astrologic! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Always a choice if we accept it!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers > > India > > > > > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger > > > > > > Version 8. 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