Guest guest Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Dear Satish ji The Crux is - 1)If ''Varga chakras'', are ''totally independent & seperate charts (ie Rashi Chakra is Just one among 16 charts) '' -One should be able to apply EACH and EVERY rule applicable to Rashi chakra,over there,as well.Most important concept called Graha Drishti should then be explained in Vargas. 2)'Chandra in the navamsha of Mars and aspected by Mars'' - explaining Moon's Navamsha Sambandha as well as aspectual connection with Mars - etc, are valid examples available from classics.Also a Rashi Bhavanatha or Karaka attaining exalted/good - navamsha/dashamsha etc are also understandable. 3)Through post-mortem (mother-in-law of our boss and HER aarudha lagna) from our dashamsha is always possible.We need 10 incidents in a person's life, plus ANY divisional chart(YES - not necessarily the concerned person's chart)and any type(D-12 or D-20). 4)We can also say -''We are yet to EXPLOIT this wonderful chart, fully''.But this is not Astrology - Like KishoreKumar song - ''Dekho Oh Diwanom ...Tum Ye Kaam Na karo oh ..Ram(Astrology) Ka Naam... Badnaam Na karo oh ohh...''' Others better learned may disagree. Thanks Pradeep , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Hello, > > Is divisional charts is a myth, that has now been > institutinalized ? I would like Chandrashekharjis > views on this. If I recall, he has said that there is > a case to be made for using navansha as a separate > chart( Chandrashekharji, please correct me if I am > misquoting you), but not for the others. > > I am puzzled by people using these charts. Lets say > for argument sake that they are real charts. How can > one be so sure of the division chart lagna when many > natal birth times are aprroximated. To base your > conclusions on these is quite dangerous. > > Anyway by two cents > > Satish > --- D Ramapriya <ramapriya.d wrote: > > > On 11/22/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > > wrote: > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths > > as the maximum > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I > > remember > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > I suspect the 'mutual sevenths' is the brainwave of > > someone (and I know of > > some astrologers who do!) who looks at yogas in > > divisional charts as well > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > ___________________ _______________ > Sponsored Link > > Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr > MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Assoc > http://.degrees.info > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Dear Satish ji I will explain my understanding on your example.Before that i will write 2 sentences. Fundamental Understanding Vargas are for 1)Natal Lagna 2)Planets.This has been stated by Poorvikas.This is how they are constructed.This is how they are used in classical examples. Rashi Tulya/Navamsha Tulya etc are possible because they are changing references of our own natal lagnas w.r to kshethra/amsha varga sambandhas,happening within the same 12 Rashis(Sun/Moon conjunction - 1 Bhava). For example - 1)Natal Lagna having Sarpa Drekkana as well as Saturn /Mars aspect on Lagna Rashi. 2)Dasha lord having drekkanadi Varga in Lagna will give positive results during the dasha.Here we can see a)Lagna Rashi b)Dasha lord (a planet) c)That planet having drekkanadi Varga in Lagna Rashi !!! 3)Saturn/Mars having navamsha in the seventh bhava. Your example is a valid one explaining the confusions and wrong conclusions which astrologers may arrive at.One can safely look for the strength/loss of a planet in navamsha.When sure enough,one may unite amshas and bhavas as explained in classical examples.As lord of Meena ,Guru is supposed to have a role in marriage.From another angle -in either case, Guru is having amsha in the 2nd from lagna (mithuna) and hence enahancing Kutumba matters.Exaltation is thus the key.There may be many thumbrules and techniques,which sages or learned scholars will give - Say nth navamsha,number of navamshas elapsed etc - They are purely w.r to lagna or concerned bhava positions/bhavanathas in Rashi Chakra.Without understanding this ,if one blindly generalise,and treat those amshas akin to Rashi Chakra - we know the resulting chaos.Chandrashekhar ji too said the same. These are my personal views based on classical examples and fundamental rules.Views of Others who can correct me, will be respected. Thanks Pradeep , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Pradeepji, > > Thanks. > > Here is a simple question. > > lets say a chart has mithun lagna. Guru being the lord > of 7th house. Lets alsosay moon is in Mithuna to > remove one more parameter. > > Now in navansha guru is exalted ( in Karka). In one > case the navansha lagna is kumbha ( so Guru is in 6th > from navansha lagna). In another case it is meena > navansha lagna so guru will be in 5th from navnsha > lagna. The question is has guru gained strength in > navansha ? Yes. How will these two manifest > differently for the native. If one uses bhavas in > amshas then in one case it is in 6th bhava and in > another case it is in 5th bhava. > > From my standpoint, and I do not use bhavas in amshas, > I think in the case where meena is navansha lagna, > guru becomes a strong contender to give marriage. As > it is 7th lord of rashi and is navansha lagna > lord.Please elaborate your understanding. > > Satish > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > Similar to Bhavat-Bhavam,one can make Lagna > > navamsha/Lagna > > dashamsha/Karaka Navamsha etc are reference points > > and count > > 5th /10th from them,in Rashi Chakra.The lords of > > such rashis,that > > seperate advocates will find in divisional charts > > will be the same > > as the above ,too. > > Problem is > > 1)They tend to bring in aspects > > 2)Extensions/Imaginations -will bring in Yogas etc > > resulting in > > violation of elementary principles. > > 3)Most importantly -they fail to see planetary > > placements in the > > said rashis and judge using amsha sambandhas > > alone!!! > > Eg Karakamsha analysis- > > 1)If 10th from Karakamsha lagna has planetary > > aspect(rashi) -One > > will miss it. > > 2)If a palnet is placed one will miss it > > 3)Judgement is based on planet having amsha > > there,alone > > 4)Bring aspects which are not there > > > > Rashi chakra is the composite which consists > > everything.Vargas show > > various relationships(each for specific purpose) a > > planet is having > > with various Rashis from its single position. > > > > Navamsha is Prana -But where this Prana is > > going/acting has to be > > studied.Sthoola is manifestation and sookshma is > > underlying.If these > > two are not analysed in totality - emerging picture > > is just a > > fantasy. > > > > In the complete system called Rashi chakra(One can > > study- > > > aspects,argala,conjunction,Yoga,combustion,war,friendship > > etc etc). > > > > Others better learned may disagree > > > > Pradeep > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > Where does Parashara mention Divisional charts ? > > He > > > mentions divisions ( amshas). Whether the amsha > > has be > > > read as it relates to the amsha lagna for a > > particular > > > amsha is an open question still in my mind. > > > > > > A planet exalted in navansha gains strength. But > > what > > > if this planet is in 5th house from lagna navansha > > in > > > one case and in 8th in another case. Would you say > > it > > > has not gained strength when it is in 8th from > > > navansha lagna and has gained strength wehn it is > > in > > > 5th from navansha lagna ? How to ascertain > > strength in > > > namsha ? Just amsha strength or also bhava > > strength ? > > > I am interested in what classics say. The modern > > > interpreters have already put their views on this > > > subject and that why I am asking is this thing so > > > institutionalized that it is beyond debate. I am > > not > > > sure it is beyond debate and I think what sages > > have > > > said has been extrapolated by many and that could > > be > > > erroneous. > > > > > > Satish > > > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > Though the below mail was not addressed to me > > yet I > > > > wish to > > > > put some views. > > > > Divisonal charts cannot be a myth because it has > > > > been mentioned > > > > in a chapter by Parashar Maharaj. > > > > Next though birth times are approximated (since > > in > > > > our own bedroom > > > > You will find difference in times of your wrist > > > > watch,on your > > > > cell phone, on the wall clock,on the TV through > > set > > > > up Box,in > > > > your alarm clock, in your Computer and also > > probably > > > > on the wifes > > > > wrist watch if she wears one,then how can one > > expect > > > > the hospitals > > > > to mantain exact time,or the hospital staff to > > be so > > > > loyal that > > > > they will so dutifully note the time of birth > > > > leaving other duties > > > > as if the child born was their own), yet there > > are > > > > few ways > > > > to exact this approximated time to near perfect > > if > > > > not perfect. Once > > > > this is not done, going through the divisional > > > > charts is meaningless. > > > > But if a person is adept to read the divisional > > > > charts with > > > > full respect to the scriptures then they can be > > sure > > > > to grant > > > > support to the findings in the natal chart with > > > > reference to the > > > > spouse, Profession, spiritual persuits, wealth > > and > > > > children > > > > apart from the other factors. LR cahwdhri has > > > > written about this > > > > long back I think about 15 years back, and also > > Shri > > > > Chandubhai Patel > > > > has written a beautiful book on Navamsha which > > is a > > > > must to be read > > > > by all astrologers who want to learn how to use > > the > > > > Navamsha for > > > > predicting grave matters alongwith help of > > > > Ashtakvarga > > > > and transits. > > > > > > > > But to check Yogas from these charts is somehow > > not > > > > digestable > > > > through any remote means . > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > Is divisional charts is a myth, that has now > > been > > > > > institutinalized ? I would like > > Chandrashekharjis > > > > > views on this. If I recall, he has said that > > there > > > > is > > > > > a case to be made for using navansha as a > > separate > > > > > chart( Chandrashekharji, please correct me if > > I am > > > > > misquoting you), but not for the others. > > > > > > > > > > I am puzzled by people using these charts. > > Lets > > > > say > > > > > for argument sake that they are real charts. > > How > > > > can > > > > > one be so sure of the division chart lagna > > when > > > > many > > > > > natal birth times are aprroximated. To base > > your > > > > > conclusions on these is quite dangerous. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway by two cents > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- D Ramapriya <ramapriya.d@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/22/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ___________________ _______________ > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > http://new.mail. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Dear Praveen ji Thanks for sharing your views. Pradeep , "Praveen Agrawal" <pkumar24 wrote: > > I agree fully. > > P.Kumar > > > On 11/23/06, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > Dear Satish ji > > > > The Crux is - > > > > 1)If ''Varga chakras'', are ''totally independent & seperate charts > > (ie Rashi Chakra is Just one among 16 charts) '' -One should be able > > to apply EACH and EVERY rule applicable to Rashi chakra,over > > there,as well.Most important concept called Graha Drishti should > > then be explained in Vargas. > > > > 2)'Chandra in the navamsha of Mars and aspected by Mars'' - > > explaining Moon's Navamsha Sambandha as well as aspectual connection > > with Mars - etc, are valid examples available from classics.Also a > > Rashi Bhavanatha or Karaka attaining exalted/good - > > navamsha/dashamsha etc are also understandable. > > > > 3)Through post-mortem (mother-in-law of our boss and HER aarudha > > lagna) from our dashamsha is always possible.We need 10 incidents in > > a person's life, plus ANY divisional chart(YES - not necessarily the > > concerned person's chart)and any type(D-12 or D-20). > > > > 4)We can also say -''We are yet to EXPLOIT this wonderful chart, > > fully''.But this is not Astrology - Like KishoreKumar song - ''Dekho > > Oh Diwanom ...Tum Ye Kaam Na karo oh ..Ram(Astrology) Ka Naam... > > Badnaam Na karo oh ohh...''' > > > > Others better learned may disagree. > > > > Thanks > > Pradeep > > > > <% 40>, SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Is divisional charts is a myth, that has now been > > > institutinalized ? I would like Chandrashekharjis > > > views on this. If I recall, he has said that there is > > > a case to be made for using navansha as a separate > > > chart( Chandrashekharji, please correct me if I am > > > misquoting you), but not for the others. > > > > > > I am puzzled by people using these charts. Lets say > > > for argument sake that they are real charts. How can > > > one be so sure of the division chart lagna when many > > > natal birth times are aprroximated. To base your > > > conclusions on these is quite dangerous. > > > > > > Anyway by two cents > > > > > > Satish > > > --- D Ramapriya <ramapriya.d@> wrote: > > > > > > > On 11/22/06, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Budh and Mercury can never be in Mutual sevenths > > > > as the maximum > > > > > distance between them can be only 28 degrees if I > > > > remember > > > > > my lessons right. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect the 'mutual sevenths' is the brainwave of > > > > someone (and I know of > > > > some astrologers who do!) who looks at yogas in > > > > divisional charts as well > > > > > > > > Ramapriya > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > _______________ > > > Sponsored Link > > > > > > Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr > > > MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Assoc > > > http://.degrees.info > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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