smouldering_cigarette -intrusion 21/11

[Guest guest]

Dear Ashutosh,

 

this post was anyway about me and my experience abt this women- smouldering_cigarette

 

I NONE OF MY feedback posts I have ever said it is my prowess or greatness

on the contrary have said it s the greatness of the subject and its masters who have show us the way to do what little we can do.

 

and I have sent quite a few mails in the groups asking for info, dates, events /pics. ESP when it comes to breaking of a marriage, this is a huge moral responsibility to predict without verifying a few parameters.

 

I will never decide someones marriage break up without making sure on as many parameters as possible. esp verify both the couples pics just to make sure their lagna features [if the reported time is not right what do u do]

 

In birth time rectification also I insist on pics.

 

in other cases also if they give is welcome

 

BUT BREAK UPS, I DO INSIST, I AM NOT ASKING HER OR ANYONE FOR MONEY HERE TO DO IT JUST TO ENSURE MY WORK doesn't destroy a family by any oversight.

 

I have quite a few women members who have written to me privately [who are not visible in any post here not even Beatriz many I mean others who have yet to write a post here] on such issues and have shared their pics after sometime, this comes at times when we BUILD trust. such intervals also gives us time to see if we can breathe some hope, life to the marriage, this has its value.

 

This much I can say has come only after seeing how I handle women's issues nothing else. I don't need their praise sure. a happy home is a reward in itself.

 

smouldering_cigarette ASKED ME many questions abt me, age, experience, if answering this is MAKING TALL CLAIMS i can't give any answer.

 

she also asked

 

WHY OTHERS (ashutosh, Bhaskarji) ARE ABLE TO DO WITHOUT IT AND U INSIST on Pic n Info...? [this line is her words]

 

which I said have posted it here as well

 

I need to verify and also do give most of my readings with a time range how many r doing it here. and sad many astrologers have left/not active in the groups compared to the times when I joined I do miss Krishnan, Trivedi etc I have said this in some posts too.

 

I am not sure if I can add the ur last line yet. coming from a parampara where we don't make money to read as rule in chats, mails i randomly ask people if they want a paid or free Reading and 99.9% say free sure, and what i have given paid or free is same in style,content no discrimination for me subject is superior than us.

 

as long as time permits for me to write here will do so I orignially felt our construction work could start in Sept end, but has got delayed by the change in govt, corporation etc so early Jan next yr can be my cut off date, wil see less of me in any group.

 

best wishes

 

Prashant

 

astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh (AT) (DOT) fr> wrote:

Dear Beatrice,

 

It is not always that the person who asked who is at fault. Sometimes the astrologer himself provokes such insults by his/her tall claims. We astrologers are very prone to have weaknesses like pride and arrogance. A few words of praises are enough to make us feel that we have found the ultimate truth in astrology.

 

I have fight with such demons inside me everyday when my satisfied clients shower me with praises and bring me huge gifts. But, I keep a good head on my shoulders knowing well that these praises and flowers can turn into brickbats and insults even when a single prediction goes wrong.

 

It is easy for me or anyone else to think of oneself as the best astrologer in or on cyber world, just because someone praised me out of his own motives to get further free advices from me. But, it is really a big mistake to think so. When I look around me I find everyone is good in some or the other ways. Even those who call themselves beginners or those who claim to be masters of jyotish. All are contributing beautifully. Each and everyone has his/her unique ways of observing and analysing the planets. What one has overlooked is promptly pointed out by another. Thus, the discussions and contributions go on.

 

I personally do not encourage long conversations on chat with unfamiliar people. I used to do so earlier, but not now. One reason is that I am mostly busy chatting with my regular clients. Secondly, I clearly tell the newcomers that I charge for every word on chat and on my personal email.

 

Regards,

 

Ashutosh

 

-

searchingalight

Monday, 20 November, 2006 23:23

Re: smouldering_cigarette -intrusion 20/11

 

Dear Prashant Ji,

 

What kind of a person asks another one for help and as the helper,

out of concern, asks for further info in order to give proper help,

insults the helper?

 

Previous sentence was confusing? Yes, I didn't understand it either.

The same way I don't understand how retarded, gross, impolite . and

the list goes on., many human beings still are. Sometimes I wonder,

are we really dealing with Homo sapiens sapiens, or Troglodytes?

 

First, they invade your privacy, and you, with an open heart, try to

do your best to help, get insulted for it?

 

This kind of episodes is unpleasant or better said, they ruin our

mood, sometimes even for the coming days.

 

But, Dear Prashant Ji, I think everybody who knows you will agree on

this: You are a true Gentleman and a competent professional. So, just

put on your white gloves and carry on being Who You Are.

 

Those sprinkles of mud won't stick!

 

May God Bless You,

Beatriz

 

P.S.: Please remember the "carrot, egg and coffee" story...

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear Ashutosh, members

>

> I had this ID smouldering_cigarette BARGE IN and request to post in

an group wanted me to help her, for which I asked as usual some info

that i ask many here

>

> some events, a pic or two to verify lagna features

>

> when she said why u need this others don't ask these and do reply

>

> I REPLIED I DO VERIFY MY WORKS esp when it comes to family break

ups, this is a huge moral responsiblity.

>

> I said I verify and read all private ones sure public too I do ask

some info as my reputation is at stake

>

> as I have given in most cases a date range for my readings wether

it works or not am taking the risk in the open some of the feedback

has been showing it as working

>

> FOR THIS she says I am pround,

>

> well if she wants me to work on hers I have to use my way of working

>

> I put this in public as want to make my part clear and any info

other than this is not true.

>

> I have done most of work with priority on family womens welfare in

many posts that women as care giver in family needs more atttn and if

she is happy so is family, society, in some select cases on my own

have written to women where i see abuse, violence or rape victims

which I can't won't do in public.

>

>

> Prashant

>

> btw smouldering_cigarette is a womens ID....

>

>

>

> Sponsored Link

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant,

 

These are the ups and downs of being an astrologer. I have been experiencing it since long, because I am known only as an astrologer to the world, having no other occupation or profession.

 

Everyone has his ways of analysing charts and methods of confirming whether chart is correct or not. Intuition, experience, extra informations, pictures, palm scans, all are different means used to come to a proper and justified conclusion.

 

The people approaching an astrologer ma be worried, scared, insecure, or simple looking for fun time. The astrologer has to clearly demarcate his conditions. Nothing wrong with that.

 

No astrologer is superior to another. There is no competition here or anywhere. All are doing their bit as much as they can do safely without compromising with own hard-earned knowledge.

 

 

Best Wishes,

 

Ashutosh

 

 

 

-

Prashant Kumar G B

Tuesday, 21 November, 2006 16:54

Re: smouldering_cigarette -intrusion 21/11

 

 

Dear Ashutosh,

 

this post was anyway about me and my experience abt this women- smouldering_cigarette

 

I NONE OF MY feedback posts I have ever said it is my prowess or greatness

on the contrary have said it s the greatness of the subject and its masters who have show us the way to do what little we can do.

 

and I have sent quite a few mails in the groups asking for info, dates, events /pics. ESP when it comes to breaking of a marriage, this is a huge moral responsibility to predict without verifying a few parameters.

 

I will never decide someones marriage break up without making sure on as many parameters as possible. esp verify both the couples pics just to make sure their lagna features [if the reported time is not right what do u do]

 

In birth time rectification also I insist on pics.

 

in other cases also if they give is welcome

 

BUT BREAK UPS, I DO INSIST, I AM NOT ASKING HER OR ANYONE FOR MONEY HERE TO DO IT JUST TO ENSURE MY WORK doesn't destroy a family by any oversight.

 

I have quite a few women members who have written to me privately [who are not visible in any post here not even Beatriz many I mean others who have yet to write a post here] on such issues and have shared their pics after sometime, this comes at times when we BUILD trust. such intervals also gives us time to see if we can breathe some hope, life to the marriage, this has its value.

 

This much I can say has come only after seeing how I handle women's issues nothing else. I don't need their praise sure. a happy home is a reward in itself.

 

smouldering_cigarette ASKED ME many questions abt me, age, experience, if answering this is MAKING TALL CLAIMS i can't give any answer.

 

she also asked

 

WHY OTHERS (ashutosh, Bhaskarji) ARE ABLE TO DO WITHOUT IT AND U INSIST on Pic n Info...? [this line is her words]

 

which I said have posted it here as well

 

I need to verify and also do give most of my readings with a time range how many r doing it here. and sad many astrologers have left/not active in the groups compared to the times when I joined I do miss Krishnan, Trivedi etc I have said this in some posts too.

 

I am not sure if I can add the ur last line yet. coming from a parampara where we don't make money to read as rule in chats, mails i randomly ask people if they want a paid or free Reading and 99.9% say free sure, and what i have given paid or free is same in style,content no discrimination for me subject is superior than us.

 

as long as time permits for me to write here will do so I orignially felt our construction work could start in Sept end, but has got delayed by the change in govt, corporation etc so early Jan next yr can be my cut off date, wil see less of me in any group.

 

best wishes

 

Prashant

 

astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh (AT) (DOT) fr> wrote:

Dear Beatrice,

 

It is not always that the person who asked who is at fault. Sometimes the astrologer himself provokes such insults by his/her tall claims. We astrologers are very prone to have weaknesses like pride and arrogance. A few words of praises are enough to make us feel that we have found the ultimate truth in astrology.

 

I have fight with such demons inside me everyday when my satisfied clients shower me with praises and bring me huge gifts. But, I keep a good head on my shoulders knowing well that these praises and flowers can turn into brickbats and insults even when a single prediction goes wrong.

 

It is easy for me or anyone else to think of oneself as the best astrologer in or on cyber world, just because someone praised me out of his own motives to get further free advices from me. But, it is really a big mistake to think so. When I look around me I find everyone is good in some or the other ways. Even those who call themselves beginners or those who claim to be masters of jyotish. All are contributing beautifully. Each and everyone has his/her unique ways of observing and analysing the planets. What one has overlooked is promptly pointed out by another. Thus, the discussions and contributions go on.

 

I personally do not encourage long conversations on chat with unfamiliar people. I used to do so earlier, but not now. One reason is that I am mostly busy chatting with my regular clients. Secondly, I clearly tell the newcomers that I charge for every word on chat and on my personal email.

 

Regards,

 

Ashutosh

 

-

searchingalight

Monday, 20 November, 2006 23:23

Re: smouldering_cigarette -intrusion 20/11

 

Dear Prashant Ji,

 

What kind of a person asks another one for help and as the helper,

out of concern, asks for further info in order to give proper help,

insults the helper?

 

Previous sentence was confusing? Yes, I didn't understand it either.

The same way I don't understand how retarded, gross, impolite . and

the list goes on., many human beings still are. Sometimes I wonder,

are we really dealing with Homo sapiens sapiens, or Troglodytes?

 

First, they invade your privacy, and you, with an open heart, try to

do your best to help, get insulted for it?

 

This kind of episodes is unpleasant or better said, they ruin our

mood, sometimes even for the coming days.

 

But, Dear Prashant Ji, I think everybody who knows you will agree on

this: You are a true Gentleman and a competent professional. So, just

put on your white gloves and carry on being Who You Are.

 

Those sprinkles of mud won't stick!

 

May God Bless You,

Beatriz

 

P.S.: Please remember the "carrot, egg and coffee" story...

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear Ashutosh, members

>

> I had this ID smouldering_cigarette BARGE IN and request to post in

an group wanted me to help her, for which I asked as usual some info

that i ask many here

>

> some events, a pic or two to verify lagna features

>

> when she said why u need this others don't ask these and do reply

>

> I REPLIED I DO VERIFY MY WORKS esp when it comes to family break

ups, this is a huge moral responsiblity.

>

> I said I verify and read all private ones sure public too I do ask

some info as my reputation is at stake

>

> as I have given in most cases a date range for my readings wether

it works or not am taking the risk in the open some of the feedback

has been showing it as working

>

> FOR THIS she says I am pround,

>

> well if she wants me to work on hers I have to use my way of working

>

> I put this in public as want to make my part clear and any info

other than this is not true.

>

> I have done most of work with priority on family womens welfare in

many posts that women as care giver in family needs more atttn and if

she is happy so is family, society, in some select cases on my own

have written to women where i see abuse, violence or rape victims

which I can't won't do in public.

>

>

> Prashant

>

> btw smouldering_cigarette is a womens ID....

>

>

>

> Sponsored Link

>

> Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo -

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>

[Guest guest]

No astrologer or divinator should have to go through a job-interview

each time they are approached for a reading, particularly when the

reading is free. And those that think that just because they are

paying an astrologer a fee and therefore have the right to question

them, and haggle, as they would when they are shopping for a product

or service, then they are really being foolish. An astrology reading

is hardly comparable to house-cleaning, or getting your car or cycle

fixed or plumbing etc etc. It is a mental and spiritual activity and

if the astrologer approaches the 'task' with a mind that has been

soured by the disrespect that the nativity has shown, well it is easy

to figure out who gets the worst side of the deal! Not the

astrologer, for sure!!

 

Now I realize that there are individuals who have been less than

perfect in their practice but this should not mean that all

astrologers be subjected to abuse and questioning, particularly by

individuals who either do not know anything about astrology or who

think they know a lot after reading a book or two. Some of these

actually are sceptics or fundamentalistic followers of other schools

of astrology who want to put down jyotish and jyotishis.

 

Using photographs is a very well-known practice. I have found it very

useful. The best way is ofcourse to have the nativity in a person-to-

person consultation, as had been done traditionally, but in today's

setting of remote readings, a photograph and palm-print is the next

best substitute.

 

If nativities are not serious or sincere about the reading that they

ask for and would receive through the kindness of astrologers -- are

wasting their time. The astrologer's time is never wasted, by the

way! Each experience adds to his or her framework of perception!

 

RR

 

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear Ashutosh,

>

> this post was anyway about me and my experience abt this women-

smouldering_cigarette

>

> I NONE OF MY feedback posts I have ever said it is my prowess or

greatness

> on the contrary have said it s the greatness of the subject and its

masters who have show us the way to do what little we can do.

>

> and I have sent quite a few mails in the groups asking for info,

dates, events /pics. ESP when it comes to breaking of a marriage,

this is a huge moral responsibility to predict without verifying a

few parameters.

>

> I will never decide someones marriage break up without making sure

on as many parameters as possible. esp verify both the couples pics

just to make sure their lagna features [if the reported time is not

right what do u do]

>

> In birth time rectification also I insist on pics.

>

> in other cases also if they give is welcome

>

> BUT BREAK UPS, I DO INSIST, I AM NOT ASKING HER OR ANYONE FOR MONEY

HERE TO DO IT JUST TO ENSURE MY WORK doesn't destroy a family by any

oversight.

>

> I have quite a few women members who have written to me privately

[who are not visible in any post here not even Beatriz many I mean

others who have yet to write a post here] on such issues and have

shared their pics after sometime, this comes at times when we BUILD

trust. such intervals also gives us time to see if we can breathe

some hope, life to the marriage, this has its value.

>

> This much I can say has come only after seeing how I handle women's

issues nothing else. I don't need their praise sure. a happy home is

a reward in itself.

>

> smouldering_cigarette ASKED ME many questions abt me, age,

experience, if answering this is MAKING TALL CLAIMS i can't give any

answer.

>

> she also asked

>

> WHY OTHERS (ashutosh, Bhaskarji) ARE ABLE TO DO WITHOUT IT AND U

INSIST on Pic n Info...? [this line is her words]

>

> which I said have posted it here as well

>

> I need to verify and also do give most of my readings with a time

range how many r doing it here. and sad many astrologers have

left/not active in the groups compared to the times when I joined I

do miss Krishnan, Trivedi etc I have said this in some posts too.

>

> I am not sure if I can add the ur last line yet. coming from a

parampara where we don't make money to read as rule in chats, mails i

randomly ask people if they want a paid or free Reading and 99.9% say

free sure, and what i have given paid or free is same in

style,content no discrimination for me subject is superior than us.

>

> as long as time permits for me to write here will do so I

orignially felt our construction work could start in Sept end, but

has got delayed by the change in govt, corporation etc so early Jan

next yr can be my cut off date, wil see less of me in any group.

>

> best wishes

>

> Prashant

>

> astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh

wrote:

> Dear Beatrice,

>

> It is not always that the person who asked who is at fault.

Sometimes the astrologer himself provokes such insults by his/her

tall claims. We astrologers are very prone to have weaknesses like

pride and arrogance. A few words of praises are enough to make us

feel that we have found the ultimate truth in astrology.

>

> I have fight with such demons inside me everyday when my satisfied

clients shower me with praises and bring me huge gifts. But, I keep a

good head on my shoulders knowing well that these praises and flowers

can turn into brickbats and insults even when a single prediction

goes wrong.

>

> It is easy for me or anyone else to think of oneself as the best

astrologer in or on cyber world, just because someone

praised me out of his own motives to get further free advices from

me. But, it is really a big mistake to think so. When I look around

me I find everyone is good in some or the other ways. Even those who

call themselves beginners or those who claim to be masters of

jyotish. All are contributing beautifully. Each and everyone has

his/her unique ways of observing and analysing the planets. What one

has overlooked is promptly pointed out by another. Thus, the

discussions and contributions go on.

>

> I personally do not encourage long conversations on chat

with unfamiliar people. I used to do so earlier, but not now. One

reason is that I am mostly busy chatting with my regular clients.

Secondly, I clearly tell the newcomers that I charge for every word

on chat and on my personal email.

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

> -

> searchingalight

>

> Monday, 20 November, 2006 23:23

> Re: smouldering_cigarette -intrusion 20/11

>

> Dear Prashant Ji,

>

> What kind of a person asks another one for help and as the helper,

> out of concern, asks for further info in order to give proper

help,

> insults the helper?

>

> Previous sentence was confusing? Yes, I didn't understand it

either.

> The same way I don't understand how retarded, gross, impolite .

and

> the list goes on., many human beings still are. Sometimes I

wonder,

> are we really dealing with Homo sapiens sapiens, or Troglodytes?

>

> First, they invade your privacy, and you, with an open heart, try

to

> do your best to help, get insulted for it?

>

> This kind of episodes is unpleasant or better said, they ruin our

> mood, sometimes even for the coming days.

>

> But, Dear Prashant Ji, I think everybody who knows you will agree

on

> this: You are a true Gentleman and a competent professional. So,

just

> put on your white gloves and carry on being Who You Are.

>

> Those sprinkles of mud won't stick!

>

> May God Bless You,

> Beatriz

>

> P.S.: Please remember the "carrot, egg and coffee" story...

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ashutosh, members

> >

> > I had this ID smouldering_cigarette BARGE IN and request to

post in

> an group wanted me to help her, for which I asked as usual some

info

> that i ask many here

> >

> > some events, a pic or two to verify lagna features

> >

> > when she said why u need this others don't ask these and do

reply

> >

> > I REPLIED I DO VERIFY MY WORKS esp when it comes to family

break

> ups, this is a huge moral responsiblity.

> >

> > I said I verify and read all private ones sure public too I do

ask

> some info as my reputation is at stake

> >

> > as I have given in most cases a date range for my readings

wether

> it works or not am taking the risk in the open some of the

feedback

> has been showing it as working

> >

> > FOR THIS she says I am pround,

> >

> > well if she wants me to work on hers I have to use my way of

working

> >

> > I put this in public as want to make my part clear and any

info

> other than this is not true.

> >

> > I have done most of work with priority on family womens

welfare in

> many posts that women as care giver in family needs more atttn

and if

> she is happy so is family, society, in some select cases on my

own

> have written to women where i see abuse, violence or rape

victims

> which I can't won't do in public.

> >

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > btw smouldering_cigarette is a womens ID....

> >

> >

> >

> > Sponsored Link

> >

> > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for

$1,399/mo -

> Calculate new house payment

> >

> >