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Dear Shiv,

 

You said: "I remember someone ( perhaps ruiji) had once commented on

it earlier. Sorry for bringing this up, just that I personally don't

like the word 'debilitated' at all. There must be some benefits of a

debilitated Jupiter too?"

 

Yes, I believe I did comment on Jupiter debilitated once and I

promised I would elaborate more on that but sometimes (having myself

lagnesh and 2nd lord Saturn debilitated) I feel shy and afraid of

saying something wrong, which may mislead others, so I rather wait

until someone else elaborates on that, but since this is the 2nd time

someone refers to Jupiter debilitated after my comment, I think I

should try and explain myself. I trust Wendy and those who are (so)

more experienced will correct me if I am wrong.

 

You have to think of Jupiter at his weakest when judging Jupiter

debilitated. Think of Jupiter and his attributes and then imagine how

he would do if he was a weak person, or is he was debilitated. You can

check how an afflicted Jupiter would react when he is weak on the

following link from Wendy's website, which is available to all. You

will see that you will learn a lot from that website. It is a true

compendium of Jyotish, unlike any other on the net!

 

http://jyotishvidya.com/planets.htm

 

You also have to take into consideration the houses Jupiter rules. If,

for example, Jupiter rules the 7th house, this would be a factor of

7th house weakness and you could say there would be few chances the

native would be happy in marriage or have a happy relationship,

although this must to be weighed with many other factors in the chart,

especially the situation of Venus, which is the natural karaka for the

7th.

 

Another thing is that any debilitated planet will be very detrimental

to the house it is placed in. In my case, that was most obvious with

Saturn in 4th as my mother rejected me from birth and I ended up being

looked after by my grand aunts, who saved me (as I was dying of

starvation, dehidration, etc) and gave me a good education, which

neither of my brothers had... It is like I have a wound in the 4th

house, so anytime there is a bad transit, like Rahu's transit in 2004,

4th house significations will suffer because they are already so

afflicted, so I had to move house 4 times during Rahu's transit!

However things are not always that bad as my Saturn's debilitation is

actually cancelled in many ways and there are some strong planets in

the chart.

 

In order to understand debilitation cancellation better, I would

reccommend the following link to Wendy's website, where you will find

an article written by Balaji, one of our list members, who has studied

in depth graha neecha (planet debilitation) and neecha banga

(debilitation cancellation):

 

http://jyotishvidya.com/balaji.htm

 

In both my chart and our debilitated planets are in the

nakshatra of the best possible planet. In case, this is the

Moon because it is exalted and 9th lord. In my case, there are

actually 2 strong planets helping Saturn: one is Venus, Nakshatra

dispositor and yogakaraka, who is in own sign in Rasi and exalted in

Navamsa; the other is Mars, who is strong on many accounts and

disposits Saturn by being the 4th lord.

 

Lastly, I do not have to authority to say whether a debilitated planet

can be beneficial or not, but I really doubt it. I personally think a

debilitated planet is always detrimental, but as the saying goes "One

swallow does not make a Summer", the whole story must be told by all

planets, not just one.

 

Best wishes, Rui.

 

jyotish-vidya, "theblisswithin"

<theblisswithin wrote:

>

> dear all,

>

> Hope I am not intruding by going off on a connected yet tangential

> issue here. mentions Jup debil. in capricorn.

> What exactly does that mean. from a 'new age' perspective/western

> astro perspective we would say that Jupiter the planet of growth,

> expansion and optimism, in capricorn, still does that of that, just in

> a capricornian way, that is growth, prosperity, expansion but based on

> hard cold facts.

> So even if this Jup is a spiritualist, it might veer to the non-dual

> philosophy rather than worshipping any dieties for instance. We can

> extend this analogy to other areas mentioned above?

> Is this line of reasoning in conformity as per vedic astrologers too?

> I remember someone ( perhaps ruiji) had once commented on it earlier.

> Sorry for bringing this up, just that I personally don't like the word

> 'debilitated' at all. There must be some benefits of a debilitated

> Jupiter too?

>

> regards

> Shiv

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- RPM <rupamede@> schrieb:

> >

> > > I was checking your chart and the transits of July

> > > 5th 2006 when you were hospitalized. There is a

> > > certain tendency towards restlessness of the mind

> > > due to Mars's aspect on Mercury, but I would say

> > > this only manifests itself sometimes. But on July

> > > you were doing the Rahu/Mars/Sun period. Rahu was

> > > transiting your 5th house, less than 6 degrees away

> > > from the cusp of your 4th house of emotions,

> > > feelings, etc, so it would actually be quite

> > > influential on your 4th... Mars in your natal chart

> > > is aspecting your natal Mercury in 1st as I said and

> > > this affliction was somehow repeated by the transit

> > > conjunction of *Retrograde* Mercury and Mars in

> > > Cancer (sign of feelings, emotions, state of

> > > mind...). Also to note the presence of Saturn, which

> > > is the planet for depression. Then look at what was

> > > happening to your natal Sun (karaka for the 1st

> > > house, ie, ascendant) since you were doing Ra/Ma/Sun

> > > period and you will see it is being afflicted by

> > > 12th lord Venus. One of the 12th house

> > > significations is hospitals.

> > > I personally think the main trigger was Rahu since

> > > you were doing the Rahu dasha. Things should be

> > > improving now because you are doing the Jupiter

> > > dasha. I also read somewhere that these unpleasant

> > > things often happen when one is changing dashas,

> > > especially Rahu and Ketu's, and that one should go

> > > through a ceremony done by a pandit - sorry can't

> > > remember the proper names, but I am sure other group

> > > members know the proper names... If not, then I will

> > > look for where I found those statements and will let

> > > you know.

> > > Do you live in Baden-Wurtenberg - lovely place to

> > > live. I lived there myself for a while with my aunt,

> > > who was an Opera singer, I was fascinated with the

> > > love and respect most Germans have for Classical

> > > Music.

> > > Please let me know if my analysis makes sense to

> > > you. I have not been that well myself and it is hard

> > > to concentrate nowadays with so many distrations in

> > > the house at present, but I try to do my best.

> > > Best wishes, Rui.

> > > --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au>

> > > schrieb:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > //The most interesting question for me is that of

> > >

> > > navamsha because it

> > >

> > > indicates spiritual happiness or inclination. //

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Navamsha primarily gives us a closer look at 7th

> > > house

> > >

> > > i.e. marriage,

> > >

> > > partnerships etc. It's seen as a support to the

> > > natal

> > >

> > > chart! For

> > >

> > > example, a planet well-placed in natal chart but

> > >

> > > ill-placed in

> > >

> > > navamsha is weakened (and vice-versa). One of our

> > >

> > > members (Kundalika)

> > >

> > > has written an article on navamsha which you might

> > >

> > > find helpful.

> > >

> > > http://jyotishvidya .com/navamsa. htm For spiritual

> > >

> > >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _________

> > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC:

http://messenger..de

> >

>

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Dear ,

 

Talking on positives of Debilitation-

Debilitated planets at times can produce Neech Bhanga Raj Yoga,

even be a part of Vipareeta Rajyoga ,at times certain house

Lords when debilitated also weaken the negative effects of same.

At times when Debilitated but retrograde, give results as Exalted.

 

There can be hundreds of such combinations where debilitated

planets may prove to be good in a chart.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya, "RPM" <rupamede wrote:

>

> Dear Shiv,

>

> You said: "I remember someone ( perhaps ruiji) had once commented on

> it earlier. Sorry for bringing this up, just that I personally don't

> like the word 'debilitated' at all. There must be some benefits of a

> debilitated Jupiter too?"

>

> Yes, I believe I did comment on Jupiter debilitated once and I

> promised I would elaborate more on that but sometimes (having myself

> lagnesh and 2nd lord Saturn debilitated) I feel shy and afraid of

> saying something wrong, which may mislead others, so I rather wait

> until someone else elaborates on that, but since this is the 2nd

time

> someone refers to Jupiter debilitated after my comment, I think I

> should try and explain myself. I trust Wendy and those who are (so)

> more experienced will correct me if I am wrong.

>

> You have to think of Jupiter at his weakest when judging Jupiter

> debilitated. Think of Jupiter and his attributes and then imagine

how

> he would do if he was a weak person, or is he was debilitated. You

can

> check how an afflicted Jupiter would react when he is weak on the

> following link from Wendy's website, which is available to all. You

> will see that you will learn a lot from that website. It is a true

> compendium of Jyotish, unlike any other on the net!

>

> http://jyotishvidya.com/planets.htm

>

> You also have to take into consideration the houses Jupiter rules.

If,

> for example, Jupiter rules the 7th house, this would be a factor of

> 7th house weakness and you could say there would be few chances the

> native would be happy in marriage or have a happy relationship,

> although this must to be weighed with many other factors in the

chart,

> especially the situation of Venus, which is the natural karaka for

the

> 7th.

>

> Another thing is that any debilitated planet will be very

detrimental

> to the house it is placed in. In my case, that was most obvious with

> Saturn in 4th as my mother rejected me from birth and I ended up

being

> looked after by my grand aunts, who saved me (as I was dying of

> starvation, dehidration, etc) and gave me a good education, which

> neither of my brothers had... It is like I have a wound in the 4th

> house, so anytime there is a bad transit, like Rahu's transit in

2004,

> 4th house significations will suffer because they are already so

> afflicted, so I had to move house 4 times during Rahu's transit!

> However things are not always that bad as my Saturn's debilitation

is

> actually cancelled in many ways and there are some strong planets in

> the chart.

>

> In order to understand debilitation cancellation better, I would

> reccommend the following link to Wendy's website, where you will

find

> an article written by Balaji, one of our list members, who has

studied

> in depth graha neecha (planet debilitation) and neecha banga

> (debilitation cancellation):

>

> http://jyotishvidya.com/balaji.htm

>

> In both my chart and our debilitated planets are in the

> nakshatra of the best possible planet. In case, this is the

> Moon because it is exalted and 9th lord. In my case, there are

> actually 2 strong planets helping Saturn: one is Venus, Nakshatra

> dispositor and yogakaraka, who is in own sign in Rasi and exalted in

> Navamsa; the other is Mars, who is strong on many accounts and

> disposits Saturn by being the 4th lord.

>

> Lastly, I do not have to authority to say whether a debilitated

planet

> can be beneficial or not, but I really doubt it. I personally think

a

> debilitated planet is always detrimental, but as the saying

goes "One

> swallow does not make a Summer", the whole story must be told by all

> planets, not just one.

>

> Best wishes, Rui.

>

> jyotish-vidya, "theblisswithin"

> <theblisswithin@> wrote:

> >

> > dear all,

> >

> > Hope I am not intruding by going off on a connected yet tangential

> > issue here. mentions Jup debil. in capricorn.

> > What exactly does that mean. from a 'new age' perspective/western

> > astro perspective we would say that Jupiter the planet of growth,

> > expansion and optimism, in capricorn, still does that of that,

just in

> > a capricornian way, that is growth, prosperity, expansion but

based on

> > hard cold facts.

> > So even if this Jup is a spiritualist, it might veer to the non-

dual

> > philosophy rather than worshipping any dieties for instance. We

can

> > extend this analogy to other areas mentioned above?

> > Is this line of reasoning in conformity as per vedic astrologers

too?

> > I remember someone ( perhaps ruiji) had once commented on it

earlier.

> > Sorry for bringing this up, just that I personally don't like the

word

> > 'debilitated' at all. There must be some benefits of a debilitated

> > Jupiter too?

> >

> > regards

> > Shiv

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Ruiji,

> > >

> > > thanks very much for your response.

> > > What you said does make sense to me.

> > > I was in changing dashas, I think it was only the

> > > third time in my life. I am rather glad that I have

> > > successfully finished my university education. But it

> > > meant a lot of stress to me. It was the end of Rahu

> > > dasha, now I am in Jupiter which is debilitated in

> > > Capricorn but aspected by the moon and Jupiter is in a

> > > moon sign governed by the moon, which Wendijy pointed

> > > out some months ago.

> > >

> > > Is my sun really permanently afflicted by Venus or

> > > just by transit in July?

> > >

> > > Did you really live in Baden-Württemberg? I grew up at

> > > lake Constance and now live in Freiburg, close to the

> > > French border. Incredibly, your aunt was an opera

> > > singer, congratulations. Where do you live now?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- RPM <rupamede@> schrieb:

> > >

> > > > I was checking your chart and the transits of July

> > > > 5th 2006 when you were hospitalized. There is a

> > > > certain tendency towards restlessness of the mind

> > > > due to Mars's aspect on Mercury, but I would say

> > > > this only manifests itself sometimes. But on July

> > > > you were doing the Rahu/Mars/Sun period. Rahu was

> > > > transiting your 5th house, less than 6 degrees away

> > > > from the cusp of your 4th house of emotions,

> > > > feelings, etc, so it would actually be quite

> > > > influential on your 4th... Mars in your natal chart

> > > > is aspecting your natal Mercury in 1st as I said and

> > > > this affliction was somehow repeated by the transit

> > > > conjunction of *Retrograde* Mercury and Mars in

> > > > Cancer (sign of feelings, emotions, state of

> > > > mind...). Also to note the presence of Saturn, which

> > > > is the planet for depression. Then look at what was

> > > > happening to your natal Sun (karaka for the 1st

> > > > house, ie, ascendant) since you were doing Ra/Ma/Sun

> > > > period and you will see it is being afflicted by

> > > > 12th lord Venus. One of the 12th house

> > > > significations is hospitals.

> > > > I personally think the main trigger was Rahu since

> > > > you were doing the Rahu dasha. Things should be

> > > > improving now because you are doing the Jupiter

> > > > dasha. I also read somewhere that these unpleasant

> > > > things often happen when one is changing dashas,

> > > > especially Rahu and Ketu's, and that one should go

> > > > through a ceremony done by a pandit - sorry can't

> > > > remember the proper names, but I am sure other group

> > > > members know the proper names... If not, then I will

> > > > look for where I found those statements and will let

> > > > you know.

> > > > Do you live in Baden-Wurtenberg - lovely place to

> > > > live. I lived there myself for a while with my aunt,

> > > > who was an Opera singer, I was fascinated with the

> > > > love and respect most Germans have for Classical

> > > > Music.

> > > > Please let me know if my analysis makes sense to

> > > > you. I have not been that well myself and it is hard

> > > > to concentrate nowadays with so many distrations in

> > > > the house at present, but I try to do my best.

> > > > Best wishes, Rui.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > How are group members doing? I hope, well.

> > > >

> > > > All the best to each of you,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au>

> > > > schrieb:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > //The most interesting question for me is that of

> > > >

> > > > navamsha because it

> > > >

> > > > indicates spiritual happiness or inclination. //

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Navamsha primarily gives us a closer look at 7th

> > > > house

> > > >

> > > > i.e. marriage,

> > > >

> > > > partnerships etc. It's seen as a support to the

> > > > natal

> > > >

> > > > chart! For

> > > >

> > > > example, a planet well-placed in natal chart but

> > > >

> > > > ill-placed in

> > > >

> > > > navamsha is weakened (and vice-versa). One of our

> > > >

> > > > members (Kundalika)

> > > >

> > > > has written an article on navamsha which you might

> > > >

> > > > find helpful.

> > > >

> > > > http://jyotishvidya .com/navamsa. htm For spiritual

> > > >

> > > >

> > > === message truncated ===

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _________

> > > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC:

> http://messenger..de

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Rui,

 

You too should put away your fears... You explained that beautifully :-))

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

-

"RPM" <rupamede >

<jyotish-vidya>

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:22 PM

Jupiter Debilitated for Shiv

 

 

Dear Shiv,

 

You said: "I remember someone ( perhaps ruiji) had once commented on

it earlier. Sorry for bringing this up, just that I personally don't

like the word 'debilitated' at all. There must be some benefits of a

debilitated Jupiter too?"

 

Yes, I believe I did comment on Jupiter debilitated once and I

promised I would elaborate more on that but sometimes (having myself

lagnesh and 2nd lord Saturn debilitated) I feel shy and afraid of

saying something wrong, which may mislead others, so I rather wait

until someone else elaborates on that, but since this is the 2nd time

someone refers to Jupiter debilitated after my comment, I think I

should try and explain myself. I trust Wendy and those who are (so)

more experienced will correct me if I am wrong.

 

You have to think of Jupiter at his weakest when judging Jupiter

debilitated. Think of Jupiter and his attributes and then imagine how

he would do if he was a weak person, or is he was debilitated. You can

check how an afflicted Jupiter would react when he is weak on the

following link from Wendy's website, which is available to all. You

will see that you will learn a lot from that website. It is a true

compendium of Jyotish, unlike any other on the net!

 

http://jyotishvidya.com/planets.htm

 

You also have to take into consideration the houses Jupiter rules. If,

for example, Jupiter rules the 7th house, this would be a factor of

7th house weakness and you could say there would be few chances the

native would be happy in marriage or have a happy relationship,

although this must to be weighed with many other factors in the chart,

especially the situation of Venus, which is the natural karaka for the

7th.

 

Another thing is that any debilitated planet will be very detrimental

to the house it is placed in. In my case, that was most obvious with

Saturn in 4th as my mother rejected me from birth and I ended up being

looked after by my grand aunts, who saved me (as I was dying of

starvation, dehidration, etc) and gave me a good education, which

neither of my brothers had... It is like I have a wound in the 4th

house, so anytime there is a bad transit, like Rahu's transit in 2004,

4th house significations will suffer because they are already so

afflicted, so I had to move house 4 times during Rahu's transit!

However things are not always that bad as my Saturn's debilitation is

actually cancelled in many ways and there are some strong planets in

the chart.

 

In order to understand debilitation cancellation better, I would

reccommend the following link to Wendy's website, where you will find

an article written by Balaji, one of our list members, who has studied

in depth graha neecha (planet debilitation) and neecha banga

(debilitation cancellation):

 

http://jyotishvidya.com/balaji.htm

 

In both my chart and our debilitated planets are in the

nakshatra of the best possible planet. In case, this is the

Moon because it is exalted and 9th lord. In my case, there are

actually 2 strong planets helping Saturn: one is Venus, Nakshatra

dispositor and yogakaraka, who is in own sign in Rasi and exalted in

Navamsa; the other is Mars, who is strong on many accounts and

disposits Saturn by being the 4th lord.

 

Lastly, I do not have to authority to say whether a debilitated planet

can be beneficial or not, but I really doubt it. I personally think a

debilitated planet is always detrimental, but as the saying goes "One

swallow does not make a Summer", the whole story must be told by all

planets, not just one.

 

Best wishes, Rui.

 

jyotish-vidya, "theblisswithin"

<theblisswithin wrote:

>

> dear all,

>

> Hope I am not intruding by going off on a connected yet tangential

> issue here. mentions Jup debil. in capricorn.

> What exactly does that mean. from a 'new age' perspective/western

> astro perspective we would say that Jupiter the planet of growth,

> expansion and optimism, in capricorn, still does that of that, just in

> a capricornian way, that is growth, prosperity, expansion but based on

> hard cold facts.

> So even if this Jup is a spiritualist, it might veer to the non-dual

> philosophy rather than worshipping any dieties for instance. We can

> extend this analogy to other areas mentioned above?

> Is this line of reasoning in conformity as per vedic astrologers too?

> I remember someone ( perhaps ruiji) had once commented on it earlier.

> Sorry for bringing this up, just that I personally don't like the word

> 'debilitated' at all. There must be some benefits of a debilitated

> Jupiter too?

>

> regards

> Shiv

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Dear Wendy,

 

Thank you ;-) You have been a good teacher.

 

Hope Jupiter's bukthi in December will be easier for you healthwise

than this Rahu/Mars one.

 

Best wishes, Rui.

 

jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Rui,

>

> You too should put away your fears... You explained that beautifully

:-))

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> jyotish-vidya

> ___

>

>

> -

> "RPM" <rupamede

> <jyotish-vidya>

> Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:22 PM

> Jupiter Debilitated for Shiv

>

>

> Dear Shiv,

>

> You said: "I remember someone ( perhaps ruiji) had once commented on

> it earlier. Sorry for bringing this up, just that I personally don't

> like the word 'debilitated' at all. There must be some benefits of a

> debilitated Jupiter too?"

>

> Yes, I believe I did comment on Jupiter debilitated once and I

> promised I would elaborate more on that but sometimes (having myself

> lagnesh and 2nd lord Saturn debilitated) I feel shy and afraid of

> saying something wrong, which may mislead others, so I rather wait

> until someone else elaborates on that, but since this is the 2nd time

> someone refers to Jupiter debilitated after my comment, I think I

> should try and explain myself. I trust Wendy and those who are (so)

> more experienced will correct me if I am wrong.

>

> You have to think of Jupiter at his weakest when judging Jupiter

> debilitated. Think of Jupiter and his attributes and then imagine how

> he would do if he was a weak person, or is he was debilitated. You can

> check how an afflicted Jupiter would react when he is weak on the

> following link from Wendy's website, which is available to all. You

> will see that you will learn a lot from that website. It is a true

> compendium of Jyotish, unlike any other on the net!

>

> http://jyotishvidya.com/planets.htm

>

> You also have to take into consideration the houses Jupiter rules. If,

> for example, Jupiter rules the 7th house, this would be a factor of

> 7th house weakness and you could say there would be few chances the

> native would be happy in marriage or have a happy relationship,

> although this must to be weighed with many other factors in the chart,

> especially the situation of Venus, which is the natural karaka for the

> 7th.

>

> Another thing is that any debilitated planet will be very detrimental

> to the house it is placed in. In my case, that was most obvious with

> Saturn in 4th as my mother rejected me from birth and I ended up being

> looked after by my grand aunts, who saved me (as I was dying of

> starvation, dehidration, etc) and gave me a good education, which

> neither of my brothers had... It is like I have a wound in the 4th

> house, so anytime there is a bad transit, like Rahu's transit in 2004,

> 4th house significations will suffer because they are already so

> afflicted, so I had to move house 4 times during Rahu's transit!

> However things are not always that bad as my Saturn's debilitation is

> actually cancelled in many ways and there are some strong planets in

> the chart.

>

> In order to understand debilitation cancellation better, I would

> reccommend the following link to Wendy's website, where you will find

> an article written by Balaji, one of our list members, who has studied

> in depth graha neecha (planet debilitation) and neecha banga

> (debilitation cancellation):

>

> http://jyotishvidya.com/balaji.htm

>

> In both my chart and our debilitated planets are in the

> nakshatra of the best possible planet. In case, this is the

> Moon because it is exalted and 9th lord. In my case, there are

> actually 2 strong planets helping Saturn: one is Venus, Nakshatra

> dispositor and yogakaraka, who is in own sign in Rasi and exalted in

> Navamsa; the other is Mars, who is strong on many accounts and

> disposits Saturn by being the 4th lord.

>

> Lastly, I do not have to authority to say whether a debilitated planet

> can be beneficial or not, but I really doubt it. I personally think a

> debilitated planet is always detrimental, but as the saying goes "One

> swallow does not make a Summer", the whole story must be told by all

> planets, not just one.

>

> Best wishes, Rui.

>

> jyotish-vidya, "theblisswithin"

> <theblisswithin@> wrote:

> >

> > dear all,

> >

> > Hope I am not intruding by going off on a connected yet tangential

> > issue here. mentions Jup debil. in capricorn.

> > What exactly does that mean. from a 'new age' perspective/western

> > astro perspective we would say that Jupiter the planet of growth,

> > expansion and optimism, in capricorn, still does that of that, just in

> > a capricornian way, that is growth, prosperity, expansion but based on

> > hard cold facts.

> > So even if this Jup is a spiritualist, it might veer to the non-dual

> > philosophy rather than worshipping any dieties for instance. We can

> > extend this analogy to other areas mentioned above?

> > Is this line of reasoning in conformity as per vedic astrologers too?

> > I remember someone ( perhaps ruiji) had once commented on it earlier.

> > Sorry for bringing this up, just that I personally don't like the word

> > 'debilitated' at all. There must be some benefits of a debilitated

> > Jupiter too?

> >

> > regards

> > Shiv

>

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Dear Bhaskar and All,

 

I had in the back of my mind that I should look at a post sent by Shiv...but

now I can't seem to find it...perhaps your post relates to his query?

 

I would like to say something in regards to the concept that a (debilitated)

retrograde planet gives results as exalted. This is a complex issue that

requires careful consideration. Certainly the effect of a retrograde planet

(in bhava) is strongly felt due to its slower motion...according to

Parashara a planet in retrogression (Vakra) is allotted the greater

(motional) strength. http://jyotishvidya.com/ch27.htm

 

However, to say that a debilitated planet gives the same results as if

exalted is misleading. We know that, once past its degree of debilitation, a

planet begins to gain positional strength (proportionately) as it moves

towards its sign of exaltation. Therefore, if a planet approaching its

degree of debilitation, turns retrograde it, begins to move away from that

point in the direction of its exaltation. If, on the other hand, the planet

(in sign of debilitation) is beyond the degree of debilitation, then

retrograde motion would see it moving back towards deep debilitation.. In

which case one could not say that it would give similar results as if

exalted.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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"Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in>

<jyotish-vidya>

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:49 PM

Re: Jupiter Debilitated for Shiv

 

 

Dear ,

 

Talking on positives of Debilitation-

Debilitated planets at times can produce Neech Bhanga Raj Yoga,

even be a part of Vipareeta Rajyoga ,at times certain house

Lords when debilitated also weaken the negative effects of same.

At times when Debilitated but retrograde, give results as Exalted.

 

There can be hundreds of such combinations where debilitated

planets may prove to be good in a chart.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

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Dear Mrs.Wendy,

 

Very well explained by Your goodself. We always get to learn from

You and this Forum. That is why I used the expression in my post to

Shiv - at times.

 

Your explanation- In other words means if Jupiter in any chart is

above 5 degrees and goes retrograde then, its again coming back to

its debilitation point so we cannot expect good results. Please

correct me if I am mistaken.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar and All,

>

> I had in the back of my mind that I should look at a post sent by

Shiv...but

> now I can't seem to find it...perhaps your post relates to his

query?

>

> I would like to say something in regards to the concept that a

(debilitated)

> retrograde planet gives results as exalted. This is a complex issue

that

> requires careful consideration. Certainly the effect of a

retrograde planet

> (in bhava) is strongly felt due to its slower motion...according to

> Parashara a planet in retrogression (Vakra) is allotted the greater

> (motional) strength. http://jyotishvidya.com/ch27.htm

>

> However, to say that a debilitated planet gives the same results as

if

> exalted is misleading. We know that, once past its degree of

debilitation, a

> planet begins to gain positional strength (proportionately) as it

moves

> towards its sign of exaltation. Therefore, if a planet approaching

its

> degree of debilitation, turns retrograde it, begins to move away

from that

> point in the direction of its exaltation. If, on the other hand,

the planet

> (in sign of debilitation) is beyond the degree of debilitation,

then

> retrograde motion would see it moving back towards deep

debilitation.. In

> which case one could not say that it would give similar results as

if

> exalted.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> jyotish-vidya

> ___

>

>

> -

> "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish

> <jyotish-vidya>

> Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:49 PM

> Re: Jupiter Debilitated for Shiv

>

>

> Dear ,

>

> Talking on positives of Debilitation-

> Debilitated planets at times can produce Neech Bhanga Raj Yoga,

> even be a part of Vipareeta Rajyoga ,at times certain house

> Lords when debilitated also weaken the negative effects of same.

> At times when Debilitated but retrograde, give results as Exalted.

>

> There can be hundreds of such combinations where debilitated

> planets may prove to be good in a chart.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

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Dear Bhaskar,

 

//Your explanation- In other words means if Jupiter in any chart is

above 5 degrees and goes retrograde then, its again coming back to

its debilitation point so we cannot expect good results. Please

correct me if I am mistaken.//

 

This is in regards to positional strength and how it pertains to retrograde

motion. However there are other factors (also) to be considered before

assessing the result due to (any) planet...as I'm sure you know :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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<jyotish-vidya>

Thursday, November 16, 2006 4:11 PM

Re: Jupiter Debilitated for Shiv

 

 

Dear Mrs.Wendy,

 

Very well explained by Your goodself. We always get to learn from

You and this Forum. That is why I used the expression in my post to

Shiv - at times.

 

Your explanation- In other words means if Jupiter in any chart is

above 5 degrees and goes retrograde then, its again coming back to

its debilitation point so we cannot expect good results. Please

correct me if I am mistaken.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

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dear ruiji, wendyji, bhaskarji and all other respected members

thanks for your learned discussions about Jup debilitated.

 

Tropical/western explanations of Jup in capricorn certainly sound

better than vedic for frail ones like me:)).

But better to know the truth than not. However, what might be some

practical advise to someone who has it. Not mantras, remdies etc. but

more practical/psychological insights and ways to deal with this.

 

I have it myself. I suppose that and a strong saturn in my chart makes

me go towards advaita doctrine. I have a extremely hard time believing

any demi gods or having a faith in religious authorities in general.

( But maybe saturn in capricorn in D9 accounts for that rather than Jup?).

 

I suppose I should have more faith in a higher order. Would appreciate

any advise on how to deal with Debil. Jup. in 8th house. In D9 it's in

11th conjunct moon in Pisces. It's a pretty young Jup too, being just

8 degrees in Cap.

 

The day I ran into Jup Bhukti some months back, I got some money after

many months of totally dry spell. Guess it does have some impact after

all.

 

Would appreciate any advise.

 

Regards

Shiv

 

jyotish-vidya, "RPM" <rupamede wrote:

>

> Dear Wendy,

>

> Thank you ;-) You have been a good teacher.

>

> Hope Jupiter's bukthi in December will be easier for you healthwise

> than this Rahu/Mars one.

>

> Best wishes, Rui.

>

> jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rui,

> >

> > You too should put away your fears... You explained that beautifully

> :-))

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > jyotish-vidya

> > ___

> >

> >

> > -

> > "RPM" <rupamede@>

> > <jyotish-vidya>

> > Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:22 PM

> > Jupiter Debilitated for Shiv

> >

> >

> > Dear Shiv,

> >

> > You said: "I remember someone ( perhaps ruiji) had once commented on

> > it earlier. Sorry for bringing this up, just that I personally don't

> > like the word 'debilitated' at all. There must be some benefits of a

> > debilitated Jupiter too?"

> >

> > Yes, I believe I did comment on Jupiter debilitated once and I

> > promised I would elaborate more on that but sometimes (having myself

> > lagnesh and 2nd lord Saturn debilitated) I feel shy and afraid of

> > saying something wrong, which may mislead others, so I rather wait

> > until someone else elaborates on that, but since this is the 2nd time

> > someone refers to Jupiter debilitated after my comment, I think I

> > should try and explain myself. I trust Wendy and those who are (so)

> > more experienced will correct me if I am wrong.

> >

> > You have to think of Jupiter at his weakest when judging Jupiter

> > debilitated. Think of Jupiter and his attributes and then imagine how

> > he would do if he was a weak person, or is he was debilitated. You can

> > check how an afflicted Jupiter would react when he is weak on the

> > following link from Wendy's website, which is available to all. You

> > will see that you will learn a lot from that website. It is a true

> > compendium of Jyotish, unlike any other on the net!

> >

> > http://jyotishvidya.com/planets.htm

> >

> > You also have to take into consideration the houses Jupiter rules. If,

> > for example, Jupiter rules the 7th house, this would be a factor of

> > 7th house weakness and you could say there would be few chances the

> > native would be happy in marriage or have a happy relationship,

> > although this must to be weighed with many other factors in the chart,

> > especially the situation of Venus, which is the natural karaka for the

> > 7th.

> >

> > Another thing is that any debilitated planet will be very detrimental

> > to the house it is placed in. In my case, that was most obvious with

> > Saturn in 4th as my mother rejected me from birth and I ended up being

> > looked after by my grand aunts, who saved me (as I was dying of

> > starvation, dehidration, etc) and gave me a good education, which

> > neither of my brothers had... It is like I have a wound in the 4th

> > house, so anytime there is a bad transit, like Rahu's transit in 2004,

> > 4th house significations will suffer because they are already so

> > afflicted, so I had to move house 4 times during Rahu's transit!

> > However things are not always that bad as my Saturn's debilitation is

> > actually cancelled in many ways and there are some strong planets in

> > the chart.

> >

> > In order to understand debilitation cancellation better, I would

> > reccommend the following link to Wendy's website, where you will find

> > an article written by Balaji, one of our list members, who has studied

> > in depth graha neecha (planet debilitation) and neecha banga

> > (debilitation cancellation):

> >

> > http://jyotishvidya.com/balaji.htm

> >

> > In both my chart and our debilitated planets are in the

> > nakshatra of the best possible planet. In case, this is the

> > Moon because it is exalted and 9th lord. In my case, there are

> > actually 2 strong planets helping Saturn: one is Venus, Nakshatra

> > dispositor and yogakaraka, who is in own sign in Rasi and exalted in

> > Navamsa; the other is Mars, who is strong on many accounts and

> > disposits Saturn by being the 4th lord.

> >

> > Lastly, I do not have to authority to say whether a debilitated planet

> > can be beneficial or not, but I really doubt it. I personally think a

> > debilitated planet is always detrimental, but as the saying goes "One

> > swallow does not make a Summer", the whole story must be told by all

> > planets, not just one.

> >

> > Best wishes, Rui.

> >

> > jyotish-vidya, "theblisswithin"

> > <theblisswithin@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear all,

> > >

> > > Hope I am not intruding by going off on a connected yet tangential

> > > issue here. mentions Jup debil. in capricorn.

> > > What exactly does that mean. from a 'new age' perspective/western

> > > astro perspective we would say that Jupiter the planet of growth,

> > > expansion and optimism, in capricorn, still does that of that,

just in

> > > a capricornian way, that is growth, prosperity, expansion but

based on

> > > hard cold facts.

> > > So even if this Jup is a spiritualist, it might veer to the non-dual

> > > philosophy rather than worshipping any dieties for instance. We can

> > > extend this analogy to other areas mentioned above?

> > > Is this line of reasoning in conformity as per vedic astrologers

too?

> > > I remember someone ( perhaps ruiji) had once commented on it

earlier.

> > > Sorry for bringing this up, just that I personally don't like

the word

> > > 'debilitated' at all. There must be some benefits of a debilitated

> > > Jupiter too?

> > >

> > > regards

> > > Shiv

> >

>

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Dear Shiv,

 

Could you send your birth details again. I think you gave this in an earlier

mail but I can't seem to find it?

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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<jyotish-vidya>

Saturday, November 18, 2006 4:25 AM

Re: Jupiter Debilitated for Shiv

 

 

dear ruiji, wendyji, bhaskarji and all other respected members

thanks for your learned discussions about Jup debilitated.

 

Tropical/western explanations of Jup in capricorn certainly sound

better than vedic for frail ones like me:)).

But better to know the truth than not. However, what might be some

practical advise to someone who has it. Not mantras, remdies etc. but

more practical/psychological insights and ways to deal with this.

 

I have it myself. I suppose that and a strong saturn in my chart makes

me go towards advaita doctrine. I have a extremely hard time believing

any demi gods or having a faith in religious authorities in general.

( But maybe saturn in capricorn in D9 accounts for that rather than Jup?).

 

I suppose I should have more faith in a higher order. Would appreciate

any advise on how to deal with Debil. Jup. in 8th house. In D9 it's in

11th conjunct moon in Pisces. It's a pretty young Jup too, being just

8 degrees in Cap.

 

The day I ran into Jup Bhukti some months back, I got some money after

many months of totally dry spell. Guess it does have some impact after

all.

 

Would appreciate any advise.

 

Regards

Shiv

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jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Shiv,

>

> Could you send your birth details again. I think you gave this in an

earlier

> mail but I can't seem to find it?

 

dear wendyji,

here they are,

20th oct 73

23.22 hours, saturday,

vadodara, Gujrat, India

 

thanks and regards

Shiv

 

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> jyotish-vidya

> ___

>

>

> -

> "theblisswithin" <theblisswithin

> <jyotish-vidya>

> Saturday, November 18, 2006 4:25 AM

> Re: Jupiter Debilitated for Shiv

>

>

> dear ruiji, wendyji, bhaskarji and all other respected members

> thanks for your learned discussions about Jup debilitated.

>

> Tropical/western explanations of Jup in capricorn certainly sound

> better than vedic for frail ones like me:)).

> But better to know the truth than not. However, what might be some

> practical advise to someone who has it. Not mantras, remdies etc. but

> more practical/psychological insights and ways to deal with this.

>

> I have it myself. I suppose that and a strong saturn in my chart makes

> me go towards advaita doctrine. I have a extremely hard time believing

> any demi gods or having a faith in religious authorities in general.

> ( But maybe saturn in capricorn in D9 accounts for that rather than

Jup?).

>

> I suppose I should have more faith in a higher order. Would appreciate

> any advise on how to deal with Debil. Jup. in 8th house. In D9 it's in

> 11th conjunct moon in Pisces. It's a pretty young Jup too, being just

> 8 degrees in Cap.

>

> The day I ran into Jup Bhukti some months back, I got some money after

> many months of totally dry spell. Guess it does have some impact after

> all.

>

> Would appreciate any advise.

>

> Regards

> Shiv

>

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Dear Shiv,

 

You're currently undergoing bhukti of Jupiter in dasa of Sun (Jupiter's star

lord) and both are in sign of debilitation. Would you care to share with us

the general trend of this period. You had this to say in a previous mail;

 

//The day I ran into Jup Bhukti some months back, I got some money after

many months of totally dry spell. Guess it does have some impact after

all.//

 

At the commencement of Jupiter bhukti, Jupiter, transiting 5th house, was

aspecting 11th lord Mars in 11th.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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Dear Wendyji,

Thanks for your response. I apologize for the delay in response.

I am into Jup Bhukti since just a few months. Things seem a bit better

like getting back in touch with family. About other things, I was in

graduate school earlier. Some grade problems, of my own making mostly

and some bad decisions caused me to be not allowed to enroll again. To

remedy that I had a filed a petition. It was rejected, mostly due to

the fact that I couldn't make it to town here in time to repesent

myself in person. So that has become more difficult now. I am still

trying again, but it is painfully slow process. Not sure if it is

progress or not. Someone said that happens as my D 24 chart has Jup in

12th with rahu and ketu, pisces rising. Now transit Jup has also

entered my 6th house. Some say it means I have no enemies. Others say

intelligent people ( Professors) are my enemies now?

But yes the day it started I got some money and also started to work

for a while, a labour job. But now I have come back to this town and

see about this School petition thing. Your insights will be highly

appreciated. I can meet the committee chairman either Monday or

Thursday. 7th Dec. But saturn goes retro on 5th. Is any day in

particular advisable.?

(This school situation has been off and on like this for the last 6

years, first in Ph.D., then in masters.)

I believe this post was started by me asking about the bhava positions

of planets, mars in 10th, Jup in 7th, merc in 4th and their implications.

Lately I have been thinking astrology can perhaps not save me as my

flaws are too many. Tardiness being one. Also, aslthough at times I

work quite hard, at other times my brain doesn't give me ideas or

energy to do anything. To that add serious confusion and inability to

decide and very high ideals and low confidence and bad PR skills. So

this waste of a potentially great life goes on.

 

 

Regards

Shiv

jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Shiv,

>

> You're currently undergoing bhukti of Jupiter in dasa of Sun

(Jupiter's star

> lord) and both are in sign of debilitation. Would you care to share

with us

> the general trend of this period. You had this to say in a previous

mail;

>

> //The day I ran into Jup Bhukti some months back, I got some money after

> many months of totally dry spell. Guess it does have some impact after

> all.//

>

> At the commencement of Jupiter bhukti, Jupiter, transiting 5th

house, was

> aspecting 11th lord Mars in 11th.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> jyotish-vidya

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Dear Friends.

 

BPHS states if Lagna lord is in Dusthana the it is not good. If it exalted or in anles or trines it is good.

 

My question is if Lagna Lord is in 6th house and exalted eg for Libra lagna venus in Pisces. Is it good or bad

 

thanks

 

 

kamal

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Dear Kamal,

 

Venus (with strength) is considered favourable in 6th house.

 

Quote:

"If Venus is Uchcha or Swakshetra in 6th, the person will barely know an

enemy in his life. He will rise swiftly above his competitors. He will be

very healthy. The person is capable of intricate detail work. He (or spouse)

may be involved in the medical field. The person is fortunate in securing

good jobs with good pay. His maternal uncle may be prominent or famous."

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:02 AM

placement of ascendant lord

 

 

Dear Friends.

 

BPHS states if Lagna lord is in Dusthana the it is not good. If it exalted

or in anles or trines it is good.

 

My question is if Lagna Lord is in 6th house and exalted eg for Libra lagna

venus in Pisces. Is it good or bad

 

thanks

 

 

kamal

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Dear Wendy jee ,

 

perfectly true I can not believe what you said is so true. Is this rule only for Venus. What happens if an exalted planet or a exalted lagna Lord is in neecha stahana ie 6,8,12 or 3rd.

 

sincerely

 

kamal

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Wendy Vasicek

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:15 AM

Re: placement of ascendant lord

 

 

Dear Kamal,

 

Venus (with strength) is considered favourable in 6th house.

 

Quote:

"If Venus is Uchcha or Swakshetra in 6th, the person will barely know an

enemy in his life. He will rise swiftly above his competitors. He will be

very healthy. The person is capable of intricate detail work. He (or spouse)

may be involved in the medical field. The person is fortunate in securing

good jobs with good pay. His maternal uncle may be prominent or famous."

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

-

"SIGHT SOULTIONS" <sightsolutions (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

<jyotish-vidya>

Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:02 AM

placement of ascendant lord

 

Dear Friends.

 

BPHS states if Lagna lord is in Dusthana the it is not good. If it exalted

or in anles or trines it is good.

 

My question is if Lagna Lord is in 6th house and exalted eg for Libra lagna

venus in Pisces. Is it good or bad

 

thanks

 

kamal

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Dear Kamal,

 

I'm not sure I fully understand your question. However, the premise that a

planet in exaltation has maximum strength to do good for the house he owns,

occupies or aspects, holds true for all planets...

 

Perhaps you could rephrase your question?

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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Friday, December 01, 2006 12:23 AM

Re: placement of ascendant lord

 

 

Dear Wendy jee ,

 

perfectly true I can not believe what you said is so true. Is this rule only

for Venus. What happens if an exalted planet or a exalted lagna Lord is in

neecha stahana ie 6,8,12 or 3rd.

 

sincerely

 

kamal

-

Wendy Vasicek

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:15 AM

Re: placement of ascendant lord

 

 

Dear Kamal,

 

Venus (with strength) is considered favourable in 6th house.

 

Quote:

"If Venus is Uchcha or Swakshetra in 6th, the person will barely know an

enemy in his life. He will rise swiftly above his competitors. He will be

very healthy. The person is capable of intricate detail work. He (or

spouse)

may be involved in the medical field. The person is fortunate in securing

good jobs with good pay. His maternal uncle may be prominent or famous."

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

-

"SIGHT SOULTIONS" <sightsolutions (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

<jyotish-vidya>

Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:02 AM

placement of ascendant lord

 

Dear Friends.

 

BPHS states if Lagna lord is in Dusthana the it is not good. If it exalted

or in anles or trines it is good.

 

My question is if Lagna Lord is in 6th house and exalted eg for Libra

lagna

venus in Pisces. Is it good or bad

 

thanks

 

kamal

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Dear Shiv,

 

Sorry for the delay...playing catch-up here.

 

I might take this opportunity to remind members that it is necessary for me

to be away from the computer from time-to-time in order to catch up with

other commitments and sometimes just to spend some quiet, uninterrupted time

with my 'Self'. Activity is good but, for the sake of well-being, we also

need quiet times.

 

I'm extremely grateful to our regular members who put so much effort into

supporting the list during my absences. Believe me, it doesn't go unnoticed.

 

//Thanks for your response. I apologize for the delay in response.

I am into Jup Bhukti since just a few months. Things seem a bit better

like getting back in touch with family.//

 

Yes, the mutual aspect of 2nd lord Moon and Jupiter.

 

//About other things, I was in graduate school earlier. Some grade problems,

of my own making mostly and some bad decisions caused me to be not allowed

to enroll again. To remedy that I had a filed a petition. It was rejected,

mostly due to the fact that I couldn't make it to town here in time to

repesent myself in person. So that has become more difficult now. I am still

trying again, but it is painfully slow process.//

 

Difficulties in regards to education (higher studies) can be seen with;

1) 9th lord conjunct Ketu...solution to problems meet with obstructions.

2) Both Jupiter and his nakshatra lord, Sun, are in sign of debilitation.

 

So, naturally, there can be some difficulties for you. The positive is that

both (JU/SU) are in kendra from Moon.

 

//Someone said that happens as my D 24 chart has Jup in

12th with rahu and ketu, pisces rising.//

 

According to my calculations, D24 (Chaturvimshamsha) has Capricorn rising

with RA/KE therein whilst Jupiter occupies Aquarius. Am I using the correct

time (23:22)?

 

//Now transit Jup has also entered my 6th house. Some say it means I have no

enemies. Others say intelligent people ( Professors) are my enemies now?//

 

You have five planets transiting 6th at this time...certainly we can expect

some obstacles.

 

//To that add serious confusion and inability to

decide and very high ideals and low confidence and bad PR skills. So

this waste of a potentially great life goes on.//

 

Nothing is ever wasted as the greatest growth comes from adversity. For

some, progress is relatively smooth. For others, great effort is required to

make the smallest progress. But, we cannot say that this is wasted

effort...we appreciate so much more those things we've had to work hard to

achieve.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

-

"theblisswithin" <theblisswithin >

<jyotish-vidya>

Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:19 AM

Re: Jupiter Debilitated for Shiv

 

 

Dear Wendyji,

Thanks for your response. I apologize for the delay in response.

I am into Jup Bhukti since just a few months. Things seem a bit better

like getting back in touch with family. About other things, I was in

graduate school earlier. Some grade problems, of my own making mostly

and some bad decisions caused me to be not allowed to enroll again. To

remedy that I had a filed a petition. It was rejected, mostly due to

the fact that I couldn't make it to town here in time to repesent

myself in person. So that has become more difficult now. I am still

trying again, but it is painfully slow process. Not sure if it is

progress or not. Someone said that happens as my D 24 chart has Jup in

12th with rahu and ketu, pisces rising. Now transit Jup has also

entered my 6th house. Some say it means I have no enemies. Others say

intelligent people ( Professors) are my enemies now?

But yes the day it started I got some money and also started to work

for a while, a labour job. But now I have come back to this town and

see about this School petition thing. Your insights will be highly

appreciated. I can meet the committee chairman either Monday or

Thursday. 7th Dec. But saturn goes retro on 5th. Is any day in

particular advisable.?

(This school situation has been off and on like this for the last 6

years, first in Ph.D., then in masters.)

I believe this post was started by me asking about the bhava positions

of planets, mars in 10th, Jup in 7th, merc in 4th and their implications.

Lately I have been thinking astrology can perhaps not save me as my

flaws are too many. Tardiness being one. Also, aslthough at times I

work quite hard, at other times my brain doesn't give me ideas or

energy to do anything. To that add serious confusion and inability to

decide and very high ideals and low confidence and bad PR skills. So

this waste of a potentially great life goes on.

 

 

Regards

Shiv

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Dear Wendyji,

Thanks for your insightful response. It has been very useful.

Yes the time is 23.22. I should have mentioned this situation has

been going on for more than an year. It's very recently that I came

out of limbo (I had gone into a hiding for almost 7-8 months since I

had lost all hope) and started to tackle this situation. So these

problems have existed long before Saturn became conjunct ketu.I guess

I should have acted a bit earlier before the 6th house got so loaded.

That's another problem that I have. I doubt if I am lazy, just that

ideas don't strike me at the right time and confusion persists for a

long time as a routine reality in life.

 

But even then I have heard that malefics there do well for the

native. My venus being there apparently makes me 'soft' in dealing

with enemies and then moon also in 6th from arudha lagna I've been

told.

 

So both Mars and Sun being there help? Also Merc is moving there in a

day or two. I assume that is good.

 

You might be right about D 24 capricorn rising. I believe I saw

pisces rising in J Hora software. I don't have any other software to

double check that at the moment. I trust your viewpoint.

 

You mentioned "Both Jupiter and his nakshatra lord, Sun, are in sign

of debilitation".

 

Could you please inform which specific nakshatra is the Jupiter in. I

assume you meant the natal Jup here.

 

I am about to meet my director soon. The appointment is on 7th Dec.

Is that bad as Saturn goes stationary that day. Should I prepone it

to any other better day.

 

One last thing: Do you see eventual success and if I could do some

remedies etc. to make this easier.

 

Many thanks and respects

Shiva

 

jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Shiv,

>

> Sorry for the delay...playing catch-up here.

>

> I might take this opportunity to remind members that it is

necessary for me

> to be away from the computer from time-to-time in order to catch up

with

> other commitments and sometimes just to spend some quiet,

uninterrupted time

> with my 'Self'. Activity is good but, for the sake of well-being,

we also

> need quiet times.

>

> I'm extremely grateful to our regular members who put so much

effort into

> supporting the list during my absences. Believe me, it doesn't go

unnoticed.

>

> //Thanks for your response. I apologize for the delay in response.

> I am into Jup Bhukti since just a few months. Things seem a bit

better

> like getting back in touch with family.//

>

> Yes, the mutual aspect of 2nd lord Moon and Jupiter.

>

> //About other things, I was in graduate school earlier. Some grade

problems,

> of my own making mostly and some bad decisions caused me to be not

allowed

> to enroll again. To remedy that I had a filed a petition. It was

rejected,

> mostly due to the fact that I couldn't make it to town here in time

to

> repesent myself in person. So that has become more difficult now. I

am still

> trying again, but it is painfully slow process.//

>

> Difficulties in regards to education (higher studies) can be seen

with;

> 1) 9th lord conjunct Ketu...solution to problems meet with

obstructions.

> 2) Both Jupiter and his nakshatra lord, Sun, are in sign of

debilitation.

>

> So, naturally, there can be some difficulties for you. The positive

is that

> both (JU/SU) are in kendra from Moon.

>

> //Someone said that happens as my D 24 chart has Jup in

> 12th with rahu and ketu, pisces rising.//

>

> According to my calculations, D24 (Chaturvimshamsha) has Capricorn

rising

> with RA/KE therein whilst Jupiter occupies Aquarius. Am I using the

correct

> time (23:22)?

>

> //Now transit Jup has also entered my 6th house. Some say it means

I have no

> enemies. Others say intelligent people ( Professors) are my enemies

now?//

>

> You have five planets transiting 6th at this time...certainly we

can expect

> some obstacles.

>

> //To that add serious confusion and inability to

> decide and very high ideals and low confidence and bad PR skills. So

> this waste of a potentially great life goes on.//

>

> Nothing is ever wasted as the greatest growth comes from adversity.

For

> some, progress is relatively smooth. For others, great effort is

required to

> make the smallest progress. But, we cannot say that this is wasted

> effort...we appreciate so much more those things we've had to work

hard to

> achieve.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> jyotish-vidya

> ___

>

>

> -

> "theblisswithin" <theblisswithin

> <jyotish-vidya>

> Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:19 AM

> Re: Jupiter Debilitated for Shiv

>

>

> Dear Wendyji,

> Thanks for your response. I apologize for the delay in response.

> I am into Jup Bhukti since just a few months. Things seem a bit

better

> like getting back in touch with family. About other things, I was in

> graduate school earlier. Some grade problems, of my own making

mostly

> and some bad decisions caused me to be not allowed to enroll again.

To

> remedy that I had a filed a petition. It was rejected, mostly due to

> the fact that I couldn't make it to town here in time to repesent

> myself in person. So that has become more difficult now. I am still

> trying again, but it is painfully slow process. Not sure if it is

> progress or not. Someone said that happens as my D 24 chart has Jup

in

> 12th with rahu and ketu, pisces rising. Now transit Jup has also

> entered my 6th house. Some say it means I have no enemies. Others

say

> intelligent people ( Professors) are my enemies now?

> But yes the day it started I got some money and also started to work

> for a while, a labour job. But now I have come back to this town and

> see about this School petition thing. Your insights will be highly

> appreciated. I can meet the committee chairman either Monday or

> Thursday. 7th Dec. But saturn goes retro on 5th. Is any day in

> particular advisable.?

> (This school situation has been off and on like this for the last 6

> years, first in Ph.D., then in masters.)

> I believe this post was started by me asking about the bhava

positions

> of planets, mars in 10th, Jup in 7th, merc in 4th and their

implications.

> Lately I have been thinking astrology can perhaps not save me as my

> flaws are too many. Tardiness being one. Also, aslthough at times I

> work quite hard, at other times my brain doesn't give me ideas or

> energy to do anything. To that add serious confusion and inability

to

> decide and very high ideals and low confidence and bad PR skills. So

> this waste of a potentially great life goes on.

>

>

> Regards

> Shiv

>

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