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Respected Gurujans

A mail on this group said this week is inauspicious especially 16th for all of india. I was to get registry of my house done, please advice a suitable date.

Birth details 26.06.1971, 8pm , dehradun

Regards

Anamika

 

mohanraaam <mohanraaam (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear "Aghorabhairav":

 

YOu are not aware of the person against whom you are imputing

motives! Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is a very respected contributor of

this columns and ask the scores and scores of people benefitted by

his counsel whether he is bigotted.....Infact, Guruji is a living

example of integrating vedic values in a modern living. You have

written "IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY"....but your outlook and

approach itself is very negative. I can say without fear of

contradiction that Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is the most positive

astrologer I have ever met.....He never scares his clients; on the

contrary, he does his best to assuage the anxieties of those who sek

his help everyday. In spite of his busy schedule, he devotes his

time to post messages in this column so that learners of this subject

can get benefitted. He has lived a life steeped in spiritual

principles and when he says something, it is almost always correct.

 

You have not read Guruji's post properly....He has very clearly

stated in the very first point that all pious persons with spiritual

values in life are Brahmins and not merely those who are Brahmins by

birth. In fact, this is Guruji's basic principle in life though he

himself was born as a Brahmin of the highest caste. Guruji used to

cite examples of great saints of various classes of society to stress

his point. Guruji's take on caste is that it may be relevant for

certain vedic karmaas of a normal human life; but once a person goes

beyond the limitations of mundane existence and treads the spiritual

path, there should be no distinction based on caste.

 

Brahmana saapa exists....and it is supported in classics like Brihat

Parasara Hora Shaastra and various Naadi granthaas. If you do not

believe in all this, you are free to start your own forum on SO-

CALLED RADICAL ASTROLOGY. If a patient goes to a doctor with an

ailment, the treatment has to be given whether it is to the taste of

the patient or not......You cannot call a doctor as "POSITIVE MEDICAL

PRACTITIONER" if he just ignores the ailment and says "It does not

exist at all!" Your claiming to be a positive astrologer by assertin

g"There is not Brahmana saapaa at all" without analyzing the native's

horoscope is not positive astrology but idiocy at its heights.

Moreoever, the honourable member of this forum wanted advice on

Bramana saapa which he obviously believes in.....Learned Guruji

answered it to calm down the native. You must understand that Guruji

did not ask the hairpin for himself...he has no monetary interest in

this issue at all! He has also suggested an alternative of

sponsoring the vedic studies of a student to get rid of the curse.

Obviously it is a measure of charity! You can have alternate views

on issues; but you cannot brush away all previous authorities and

usurp the role of propogator of "Positive astrology".

 

In one of your recent posts, you had wanted to quit the forum.

Kindly do so and do a service to this forum instead of spreading hate

in this forum of vedic knowledge.

 

Otherwise, many members will be forced to demand your ban from this

group and throw you way with ignomity.

 

Mohanraaam.

 

vedic astrology,

"aghorabhairav" <aghorabhairav wrote:

>

>

> IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY

>

> Dear Member

>

>

>

> I also can pity your ignorance!

>

> First point, How this person can be responsible for some imagined

karma

> done in some imagined precious birth? when is first Karma

committed? In

> which Birth?

>

> If it is not caused by any explicit nature, then what is the point

in

> making him suffer through guilt complex and some unknown unrelated

> person getting substantial benefit of Gold extracted from such

> gullibles?

>

> May I ask You, from which Shastra and out of which experience have

you

> suggested such a make belief remedy?

>

>

>

> And about harming others, My opinion is one should not harm EVEN any

> living being, they need not be especially "Brahmin" variety [:D] .

>

>

>

> Here you say:

>

> Ø The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of how

> >even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood!

>

>

>

> This statement implies that You are having an opinion that Brahmin

means

> by birth and thus implying the innate superior casteism in you is

quite

> obvious, so the bigotry IS IMPLIED. Sage Vishwamitra was a victim of

> Brahminical hypocrisy. His story shows that, even kings were highly

> manipulated by the brahminical castes at those times, which even

> continues now, unfortunately.

>

>

>

> Here you say:

>

> >What is the

> >point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest?

>

>

>

> I did not brand everyone as a bigoted Brahmin priest, but I did

brand a

> bigoted Brahmin as a `Bigoted Brahmin', Why are you getting

> worried? Unless you are in to supporting them?

>

>

>

> Here you say:

>

> ? Faith is

> most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut brains

> are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified these

> rituals and practices in the past....

>

>

>

> I am not saying anything against the Mahathmas or Sages who coded

these

> rituals for the benefit of Universe and the whole humanity. I am

just

> saying that there are some intelligent sections of the community who

> monopolized the whole issue and out of their selfish interests,

these

> sections (some) have misused to scare the general public and make

them

> pay up through their nose. Do you give guarantee that they are not

being

> misused? To scare the public and extract money and cheat the public?

>

>

>

> Here you say:

>

> Our motive should be to help him to come to

> positive terms with his life.

>

>

>

> But how can you? You Yourself are not Positive? And how can a

Expensive

> Golden Hairpin Solve all the Problems? I will guarantee you that,

> nothing is going to happen, whether he gifts the Golden Hairpin to a

> Brahmin or not. Please Stop this Natak (drama) and you are trying to

> explain all other unrelated stuff to support your mistake. You are

not

> really Enlightened Astrologer? Are You? Or just a Brahmin Caste

Pandith?

>

> Who think that astrology is their birth right or some thing etc.????

>

> A Positive thinking, strength and a fearlessness to

face any

> challenge of life is what is needed. An inner transformation of the

> innate nature, to conquer and master one's own way of life is needed

> and an astrologer's job is to strengthen the positive traits of his

> client but not to scare him with negativity and take advantage of

his

> fears. I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but there is a

> school of thinking of Modern Astrologers, who advocate a Positive

> Astrology and Therapeutic Counselling compared to the majority of

> ancient astrologers and the so called pundits who write all

(mostly) the

> negative predictions of the life, making the client's life more

> miserable but in the end the Brahmin and the astrologer benefiting

from

> the Dakshinas. This is one of the major reasons, why astrology got

the

> bad name. There needs be more understanding of principles of

astrology

> and the application of sutras to modern life in more broader secular

> terms.

>

>

>

> As I am putting these as an alternative and radical modern thinking

for

> the future astrologers to keep in Mind and not to follow everything

> blindly or have a superior caste ego. An astrologer should be Ego-

Less

> and Rebellious first. And not expect too much or have a superiority

> complex. He has to experiment a lot and come to conclusions in a

> scientific and viable way.

>

>

>

> I repeat:

>

> Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted Brahmana Shapa etc.

> They are all Made out things And Additions later on, to make money

and

> get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of Society in the name

of

> Astrology.

>

> The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness,

Meditations,

> Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and

> Prayerfulness.

>

>

>

> And proceed happily with your life in a Positive Manner, Fearlessly.

>

>

>

> Best Wishes to All.

>

>

>

> May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL.

>

>

>

> Namasthay

>

>

>

> Best Wishes,

>

>

>

> -------Ananda Sunkanpally

>

>

>

> PS: There are no assumptions of superiority, BUT only friendly

> discussions on principles.

>

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Member:

> >

> > I can only pity your ignorance! Brahmana curse does not necessariy

> > arise out of "explicit curse" of a Brahmin. It is caused by any of

> > the following reasons:

> >

> > 1) Willful insult to a pious brahmin (here brahmin does not

> > necessarily mean the "narrow definition" by birth....any pious

person

> > with satwik qualities and engaged in spiritual pursuits and Aatma

> > bhaava is a Brahmin; one who upholds truthfulness is a

> > brahmin.....The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of

how

> > even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood!).

> >

> > 2) Imputing motives to the well-meaning shastraic suggestions of a

> > learned person.

> >

> > 3) Disrespect to scriptures and vedas (rational analysis of

> > scriptures is not a sin; but opiniated outbursts against shastras

is

> > a clear disrespect to shastras!).

> >

> > 4) Knowingly or unknowingly harming a true brahmin will lead to

> > brahminical curse. A true Brahmin may not even curse others...but,

> > the agony of the distressed soul will take the form of a

curse....at

> > least if the pious person had cursed, the results would have been

> > limited to the terms of the curse...but when a pious person just

> > feels the pain of an act and keeps quiet, the wrath of the deities

> > will definitely befall on the doer of that injustice as a powerful

> > curse that may continue for many births. Any person who curses

> > another invokes severe karma. The karmic wheel is true and

> > unfailing! Even great sages of yore have lost their hard-earned

> > tapasya powers by cursing others.....But, curses do have their

> > effects and that cannot be denied! If one stabs you with a knife

you

> > will die; that the other person invokes severe karma does not

prevent

> > you from getting hurt. In the same way, curses do have their

effect

> > if the curser is even marginally more powerful than you in terms

of

> > occult powers or mantra siddhi.

> >

> > This is a knowledge forum....and arguments should be based on

> > shastraic injunctions and not on mere surmises or hate on certain

> > castes/creeds! There are so many things that are not found in any

of

> > the books and come by tradition over countless years. You cannot

> > brush everything as being "invented" for money. Wrath is

unbecoming

> > of a scholar. There are some valid philosophical points in your

post

> > but your hate for certain sect is so palpable that it is the only

> > thing that will be obvious to the members reading your

post.....the

> > person who had raised query wants a solution and he is entering

into

> > a mundane life.....Our motive should be to help him to come to

> > positive terms with his life. Can the member who raised the query

> > afford to get married without a priest? Won't he feel the pressure

> > of his family or for that matter, the bride's family? What is the

> > point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? Faith is

> > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut

brains

> > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified

these

> > rituals and practices in the past....Let us not assume our own

> > superiority in these matters. This is my humble request.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> >

> > vedic astrology,

> > "aghorabhairav" aghorabhairav@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > SPREADING TOO MUCH SUPERSTITIONS IS TO BE CONDEMNED.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Can You Tell me who is a real Vedic Brahmana? IS there anybody?

> > > Really?....

> > >

> > > I don't think Bigoted 'officiating priests' are real Vedic

> > Brahmanas.

> > >

> > > Also what kind of Karma will that Brahmana Who cursed will

undergo?

> > What

> > > kind of Remedy/Shanthi that Cursing real Vedic Brahmana DO?

> > >

> > > If he is really a real Vedic 'Brahmana' (who cannot/incapable of

> > control

> > > of any of his Indriyas), can he not control his/her anger/

emotions?

> > >

> > > I say the better remedy is to curse back that real fake Vedic

> > Brahmana

> > > (who ever is supposed to have cursed you), and take out that

fear

> > from

> > > your Mind and Subconscious Conditioning by Superstitious

Thinking

> > (used

> > > by negative astrology), and proceed happily with your life in a

> > Positive

> > > Manner, Fearlessly. Don't worry, there are no such things as

Bigoted

> > > Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And Additions

> > later on,

> > > to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes

of

> > > Society in the name of Astrology.

> > >

> > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness,

> > Meditations,

> > > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality

and

> > > Prayerfulness.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Best Wishes to All.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Namasthay

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Best Wishes,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri. Sagarvpatil:

> > > >

> > > > You may gift a golden hair-pin to your prospective bride on

the

> > day

> > > > of the betrothal (the day before the marriage). The bride

should

> > > > wear it throughout the marriage ceremony. After the

saptapathi and

> > > > mangala sutra dhaaranam are over, you must gift this hair-pin

to a

> > > > vedic brahmin praying that all brahmana curses should be

> > neutralized

> > > > by this gift to a vedic brahmin. You can offer the hair-pin as

> > gift

> > > > to the officiating priest of the marriage. Do this with full

faith

> > > > and with the attitude that you are offering this gift to the

Veda

> > > > purushaa Himself without having any doubts as to whether the

> > > > recipient of the gift is qualified for that exalted status!

Our

> > > > attitude can cover up for the possible deficiency of the

> > recipient....

> > > >

> > > > Otherwise, you can sponsor a samaaradhana for one day in a

veda

> > > > patasaala and honour the vedic teachers and students if you

can

> > make

> > > > a visit to a patasala like that.

> > > >

> > > > Curses are overcome by donations and charities rather than by

> > wearing

> > > > the concerned gemstones ourselves!

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology,

> > > > "sagarvpatil" sagarvpatil@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Gurujis,

> > > > > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th

house(Gemini)

> > and

> > > > > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter is in 8th house in

> > Meena

> > > > > Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects

because of

> > > > this

> > > > > shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am wearing an

> > > > pushpraj

> > > > > stone, is it going to help me?

> > > > > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house, will

this

> > > > > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in Dec

06,

> > so I

> > > > > would like to know what care I should take.

> > > > > My Birth details are as follows:

> > > > > B.09-07-1975

> > > > > B.Time: 09:05am

> > > > > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India)

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & regards

> > > > > Sagar

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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vedic astrology, "Dr.Anamika Gulati"

<anamikagulati wrote:

>Dear Anamikaji

As per your details, you are running Ravimaha dasa, guru sub-period.

However, it is advisable to register in uttarayana preferably after

3rd March 2007. I suggest you postpone the registration temporarily.

Jairadhe

> Respected Gurujans

> A mail on this group said this week is inauspicious especially

16th for all of india. I was to get registry of my house done,

please advice a suitable date.

> Birth details 26.06.1971, 8pm , dehradun

> Regards

> Anamika

>

> mohanraaam <mohanraaam wrote:

> Dear "Aghorabhairav":

>

> YOu are not aware of the person against whom you are imputing

> motives! Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is a very respected contributor

of

> this columns and ask the scores and scores of people benefitted by

> his counsel whether he is bigotted.....Infact, Guruji is a living

> example of integrating vedic values in a modern living. You have

> written "IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY"....but your outlook and

> approach itself is very negative. I can say without fear of

> contradiction that Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is the most positive

> astrologer I have ever met.....He never scares his clients; on the

> contrary, he does his best to assuage the anxieties of those who

sek

> his help everyday. In spite of his busy schedule, he devotes his

> time to post messages in this column so that learners of this

subject

> can get benefitted. He has lived a life steeped in spiritual

> principles and when he says something, it is almost always correct.

>

> You have not read Guruji's post properly....He has very clearly

> stated in the very first point that all pious persons with

spiritual

> values in life are Brahmins and not merely those who are Brahmins

by

> birth. In fact, this is Guruji's basic principle in life though he

> himself was born as a Brahmin of the highest caste. Guruji used to

> cite examples of great saints of various classes of society to

stress

> his point. Guruji's take on caste is that it may be relevant for

> certain vedic karmaas of a normal human life; but once a person

goes

> beyond the limitations of mundane existence and treads the

spiritual

> path, there should be no distinction based on caste.

>

> Brahmana saapa exists....and it is supported in classics like

Brihat

> Parasara Hora Shaastra and various Naadi granthaas. If you do not

> believe in all this, you are free to start your own forum on SO-

> CALLED RADICAL ASTROLOGY. If a patient goes to a doctor with an

> ailment, the treatment has to be given whether it is to the taste

of

> the patient or not......You cannot call a doctor as "POSITIVE

MEDICAL

> PRACTITIONER" if he just ignores the ailment and says "It does not

> exist at all!" Your claiming to be a positive astrologer by

assertin

> g"There is not Brahmana saapaa at all" without analyzing the

native's

> horoscope is not positive astrology but idiocy at its heights.

> Moreoever, the honourable member of this forum wanted advice on

> Bramana saapa which he obviously believes in.....Learned Guruji

> answered it to calm down the native. You must understand that

Guruji

> did not ask the hairpin for himself...he has no monetary interest

in

> this issue at all! He has also suggested an alternative of

> sponsoring the vedic studies of a student to get rid of the curse.

> Obviously it is a measure of charity! You can have alternate views

> on issues; but you cannot brush away all previous authorities and

> usurp the role of propogator of "Positive astrology".

>

> In one of your recent posts, you had wanted to quit the forum.

> Kindly do so and do a service to this forum instead of spreading

hate

> in this forum of vedic knowledge.

>

> Otherwise, many members will be forced to demand your ban from

this

> group and throw you way with ignomity.

>

> Mohanraaam.

>

> vedic astrology,

> "aghorabhairav" <aghorabhairav@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY

> >

> > Dear Member

> >

> >

> >

> > I also can pity your ignorance!

> >

> > First point, How this person can be responsible for some

imagined

> karma

> > done in some imagined precious birth? when is first Karma

> committed? In

> > which Birth?

> >

> > If it is not caused by any explicit nature, then what is the

point

> in

> > making him suffer through guilt complex and some unknown

unrelated

> > person getting substantial benefit of Gold extracted from such

> > gullibles?

> >

> > May I ask You, from which Shastra and out of which experience

have

> you

> > suggested such a make belief remedy?

> >

> >

> >

> > And about harming others, My opinion is one should not harm EVEN

any

> > living being, they need not be especially "Brahmin" variety

[:D] .

> >

> >

> >

> > Here you say:

> >

> > Ø The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of how

> > >even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood!

> >

> >

> >

> > This statement implies that You are having an opinion that

Brahmin

> means

> > by birth and thus implying the innate superior casteism in you

is

> quite

> > obvious, so the bigotry IS IMPLIED. Sage Vishwamitra was a

victim of

> > Brahminical hypocrisy. His story shows that, even kings were

highly

> > manipulated by the brahminical castes at those times, which even

> > continues now, unfortunately.

> >

> >

> >

> > Here you say:

> >

> > >What is the

> > >point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest?

> >

> >

> >

> > I did not brand everyone as a bigoted Brahmin priest, but I did

> brand a

> > bigoted Brahmin as a `Bigoted Brahmin', Why are you getting

> > worried? Unless you are in to supporting them?

> >

> >

> >

> > Here you say:

> >

> > ? Faith is

> > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut

brains

> > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified

these

> > rituals and practices in the past....

> >

> >

> >

> > I am not saying anything against the Mahathmas or Sages who

coded

> these

> > rituals for the benefit of Universe and the whole humanity. I am

> just

> > saying that there are some intelligent sections of the community

who

> > monopolized the whole issue and out of their selfish interests,

> these

> > sections (some) have misused to scare the general public and

make

> them

> > pay up through their nose. Do you give guarantee that they are

not

> being

> > misused? To scare the public and extract money and cheat the

public?

> >

> >

> >

> > Here you say:

> >

> > Our motive should be to help him to come to

> > positive terms with his life.

> >

> >

> >

> > But how can you? You Yourself are not Positive? And how can a

> Expensive

> > Golden Hairpin Solve all the Problems? I will guarantee you that,

> > nothing is going to happen, whether he gifts the Golden Hairpin

to a

> > Brahmin or not. Please Stop this Natak (drama) and you are

trying to

> > explain all other unrelated stuff to support your mistake. You

are

> not

> > really Enlightened Astrologer? Are You? Or just a Brahmin Caste

> Pandith?

> >

> > Who think that astrology is their birth right or some thing

etc.????

> >

> > A Positive thinking, strength and a fearlessness to

> face any

> > challenge of life is what is needed. An inner transformation of

the

> > innate nature, to conquer and master one's own way of life is

needed

> > and an astrologer's job is to strengthen the positive traits of

his

> > client but not to scare him with negativity and take advantage

of

> his

> > fears. I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but there

is a

> > school of thinking of Modern Astrologers, who advocate a Positive

> > Astrology and Therapeutic Counselling compared to the majority of

> > ancient astrologers and the so called pundits who write all

> (mostly) the

> > negative predictions of the life, making the client's life more

> > miserable but in the end the Brahmin and the astrologer

benefiting

> from

> > the Dakshinas. This is one of the major reasons, why astrology

got

> the

> > bad name. There needs be more understanding of principles of

> astrology

> > and the application of sutras to modern life in more broader

secular

> > terms.

> >

> >

> >

> > As I am putting these as an alternative and radical modern

thinking

> for

> > the future astrologers to keep in Mind and not to follow

everything

> > blindly or have a superior caste ego. An astrologer should be

Ego-

> Less

> > and Rebellious first. And not expect too much or have a

superiority

> > complex. He has to experiment a lot and come to conclusions in a

> > scientific and viable way.

> >

> >

> >

> > I repeat:

> >

> > Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted Brahmana Shapa

etc.

> > They are all Made out things And Additions later on, to make

money

> and

> > get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of Society in the

name

> of

> > Astrology.

> >

> > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness,

> Meditations,

> > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and

> > Prayerfulness.

> >

> >

> >

> > And proceed happily with your life in a Positive Manner,

Fearlessly.

> >

> >

> >

> > Best Wishes to All.

> >

> >

> >

> > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL.

> >

> >

> >

> > Namasthay

> >

> >

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> >

> >

> >

> > -------Ananda Sunkanpally

> >

> >

> >

> > PS: There are no assumptions of superiority, BUT only friendly

> > discussions on principles.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Member:

> > >

> > > I can only pity your ignorance! Brahmana curse does not

necessariy

> > > arise out of "explicit curse" of a Brahmin. It is caused by

any of

> > > the following reasons:

> > >

> > > 1) Willful insult to a pious brahmin (here brahmin does not

> > > necessarily mean the "narrow definition" by birth....any pious

> person

> > > with satwik qualities and engaged in spiritual pursuits and

Aatma

> > > bhaava is a Brahmin; one who upholds truthfulness is a

> > > brahmin.....The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example

of

> how

> > > even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood!).

> > >

> > > 2) Imputing motives to the well-meaning shastraic suggestions

of a

> > > learned person.

> > >

> > > 3) Disrespect to scriptures and vedas (rational analysis of

> > > scriptures is not a sin; but opiniated outbursts against

shastras

> is

> > > a clear disrespect to shastras!).

> > >

> > > 4) Knowingly or unknowingly harming a true brahmin will lead to

> > > brahminical curse. A true Brahmin may not even curse

others...but,

> > > the agony of the distressed soul will take the form of a

> curse....at

> > > least if the pious person had cursed, the results would have

been

> > > limited to the terms of the curse...but when a pious person

just

> > > feels the pain of an act and keeps quiet, the wrath of the

deities

> > > will definitely befall on the doer of that injustice as a

powerful

> > > curse that may continue for many births. Any person who curses

> > > another invokes severe karma. The karmic wheel is true and

> > > unfailing! Even great sages of yore have lost their hard-earned

> > > tapasya powers by cursing others.....But, curses do have their

> > > effects and that cannot be denied! If one stabs you with a

knife

> you

> > > will die; that the other person invokes severe karma does not

> prevent

> > > you from getting hurt. In the same way, curses do have their

> effect

> > > if the curser is even marginally more powerful than you in

terms

> of

> > > occult powers or mantra siddhi.

> > >

> > > This is a knowledge forum....and arguments should be based on

> > > shastraic injunctions and not on mere surmises or hate on

certain

> > > castes/creeds! There are so many things that are not found in

any

> of

> > > the books and come by tradition over countless years. You

cannot

> > > brush everything as being "invented" for money. Wrath is

> unbecoming

> > > of a scholar. There are some valid philosophical points in

your

> post

> > > but your hate for certain sect is so palpable that it is the

only

> > > thing that will be obvious to the members reading your

> post.....the

> > > person who had raised query wants a solution and he is

entering

> into

> > > a mundane life.....Our motive should be to help him to come to

> > > positive terms with his life. Can the member who raised the

query

> > > afford to get married without a priest? Won't he feel the

pressure

> > > of his family or for that matter, the bride's family? What is

the

> > > point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? Faith

is

> > > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut

> brains

> > > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified

> these

> > > rituals and practices in the past....Let us not assume our own

> > > superiority in these matters. This is my humble request.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology,

> > > "aghorabhairav" aghorabhairav@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > SPREADING TOO MUCH SUPERSTITIONS IS TO BE CONDEMNED.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Can You Tell me who is a real Vedic Brahmana? IS there

anybody?

> > > > Really?....

> > > >

> > > > I don't think Bigoted 'officiating priests' are real Vedic

> > > Brahmanas.

> > > >

> > > > Also what kind of Karma will that Brahmana Who cursed will

> undergo?

> > > What

> > > > kind of Remedy/Shanthi that Cursing real Vedic Brahmana DO?

> > > >

> > > > If he is really a real Vedic 'Brahmana' (who

cannot/incapable of

> > > control

> > > > of any of his Indriyas), can he not control his/her anger/

> emotions?

> > > >

> > > > I say the better remedy is to curse back that real fake Vedic

> > > Brahmana

> > > > (who ever is supposed to have cursed you), and take out that

> fear

> > > from

> > > > your Mind and Subconscious Conditioning by Superstitious

> Thinking

> > > (used

> > > > by negative astrology), and proceed happily with your life

in a

> > > Positive

> > > > Manner, Fearlessly. Don't worry, there are no such things as

> Bigoted

> > > > Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And

Additions

> > > later on,

> > > > to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive

Castes/Classes

> of

> > > > Society in the name of Astrology.

> > > >

> > > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness,

> > > Meditations,

> > > > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana,

Equality

> and

> > > > Prayerfulness.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes to All.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Namasthay

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri. Sagarvpatil:

> > > > >

> > > > > You may gift a golden hair-pin to your prospective bride

on

> the

> > > day

> > > > > of the betrothal (the day before the marriage). The bride

> should

> > > > > wear it throughout the marriage ceremony. After the

> saptapathi and

> > > > > mangala sutra dhaaranam are over, you must gift this hair-

pin

> to a

> > > > > vedic brahmin praying that all brahmana curses should be

> > > neutralized

> > > > > by this gift to a vedic brahmin. You can offer the hair-

pin as

> > > gift

> > > > > to the officiating priest of the marriage. Do this with

full

> faith

> > > > > and with the attitude that you are offering this gift to

the

> Veda

> > > > > purushaa Himself without having any doubts as to whether

the

> > > > > recipient of the gift is qualified for that exalted

status!

> Our

> > > > > attitude can cover up for the possible deficiency of the

> > > recipient....

> > > > >

> > > > > Otherwise, you can sponsor a samaaradhana for one day in a

> veda

> > > > > patasaala and honour the vedic teachers and students if

you

> can

> > > make

> > > > > a visit to a patasala like that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Curses are overcome by donations and charities rather than

by

> > > wearing

> > > > > the concerned gemstones ourselves!

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology,

> > > > > "sagarvpatil" sagarvpatil@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Gurujis,

> > > > > > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th

> house(Gemini)

> > > and

> > > > > > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter is in 8th house

in

> > > Meena

> > > > > > Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects

> because of

> > > > > this

> > > > > > shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am

wearing an

> > > > > pushpraj

> > > > > > stone, is it going to help me?

> > > > > > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house,

will

> this

> > > > > > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in

Dec

> 06,

> > > so I

> > > > > > would like to know what care I should take.

> > > > > > My Birth details are as follows:

> > > > > > B.09-07-1975

> > > > > > B.Time: 09:05am

> > > > > > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks & regards

> > > > > > Sagar

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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DearJairadhe

Thanks a lot for the response. Please tell me if ravimaha dasa can affect my career and if i should go about any new venture.

Regards

Anamika

 

vrajleela <vrajleela > wrote:

vedic astrology, "Dr.Anamika Gulati"

<anamikagulati wrote:

>Dear Anamikaji

As per your details, you are running Ravimaha dasa, guru sub-period.

However, it is advisable to register in uttarayana preferably after

3rd March 2007. I suggest you postpone the registration temporarily.

Jairadhe

> Respected Gurujans

> A mail on this group said this week is inauspicious especially

16th for all of india. I was to get registry of my house done,

please advice a suitable date.

> Birth details 26.06.1971, 8pm , dehradun

> Regards

> Anamika

>

> mohanraaam <mohanraaam wrote:

> Dear "Aghorabhairav":

>

> YOu are not aware of the person against whom you are imputing

> motives! Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is a very respected contributor

of

> this columns and ask the scores and scores of people benefitted by

> his counsel whether he is bigotted.....Infact, Guruji is a living

> example of integrating vedic values in a modern living. You have

> written "IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY"....but your outlook and

> approach itself is very negative. I can say without fear of

> contradiction that Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is the most positive

> astrologer I have ever met.....He never scares his clients; on the

> contrary, he does his best to assuage the anxieties of those who

sek

> his help everyday. In spite of his busy schedule, he devotes his

> time to post messages in this column so that learners of this

subject

> can get benefitted. He has lived a life steeped in spiritual

> principles and when he says something, it is almost always correct.

>

> You have not read Guruji's post properly....He has very clearly

> stated in the very first point that all pious persons with

spiritual

> values in life are Brahmins and not merely those who are Brahmins

by

> birth. In fact, this is Guruji's basic principle in life though he

> himself was born as a Brahmin of the highest caste. Guruji used to

> cite examples of great saints of various classes of society to

stress

> his point. Guruji's take on caste is that it may be relevant for

> certain vedic karmaas of a normal human life; but once a person

goes

> beyond the limitations of mundane existence and treads the

spiritual

> path, there should be no distinction based on caste.

>

> Brahmana saapa exists....and it is supported in classics like

Brihat

> Parasara Hora Shaastra and various Naadi granthaas. If you do not

> believe in all this, you are free to start your own forum on SO-

> CALLED RADICAL ASTROLOGY. If a patient goes to a doctor with an

> ailment, the treatment has to be given whether it is to the taste

of

> the patient or not......You cannot call a doctor as "POSITIVE

MEDICAL

> PRACTITIONER" if he just ignores the ailment and says "It does not

> exist at all!" Your claiming to be a positive astrologer by

assertin

> g"There is not Brahmana saapaa at all" without analyzing the

native's

> horoscope is not positive astrology but idiocy at its heights.

> Moreoever, the honourable member of this forum wanted advice on

> Bramana saapa which he obviously believes in.....Learned Guruji

> answered it to calm down the native. You must understand that

Guruji

> did not ask the hairpin for himself...he has no monetary interest

in

> this issue at all! He has also suggested an alternative of

> sponsoring the vedic studies of a student to get rid of the curse.

> Obviously it is a measure of charity! You can have alternate views

> on issues; but you cannot brush away all previous authorities and

> usurp the role of propogator of "Positive astrology".

>

> In one of your recent posts, you had wanted to quit the forum.

> Kindly do so and do a service to this forum instead of spreading

hate

> in this forum of vedic knowledge.

>

> Otherwise, many members will be forced to demand your ban from

this

> group and throw you way with ignomity.

>

> Mohanraaam.

>

> vedic astrology,

> "aghorabhairav" <aghorabhairav@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY

> >

> > Dear Member

> >

> >

> >

> > I also can pity your ignorance!

> >

> > First point, How this person can be responsible for some

imagined

> karma

> > done in some imagined precious birth? when is first Karma

> committed? In

> > which Birth?

> >

> > If it is not caused by any explicit nature, then what is the

point

> in

> > making him suffer through guilt complex and some unknown

unrelated

> > person getting substantial benefit of Gold extracted from such

> > gullibles?

> >

> > May I ask You, from which Shastra and out of which experience

have

> you

> > suggested such a make belief remedy?

> >

> >

> >

> > And about harming others, My opinion is one should not harm EVEN

any

> > living being, they need not be especially "Brahmin" variety

[:D] .

> >

> >

> >

> > Here you say:

> >

> > Ø The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of how

> > >even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood!

> >

> >

> >

> > This statement implies that You are having an opinion that

Brahmin

> means

> > by birth and thus implying the innate superior casteism in you

is

> quite

> > obvious, so the bigotry IS IMPLIED. Sage Vishwamitra was a

victim of

> > Brahminical hypocrisy. His story shows that, even kings were

highly

> > manipulated by the brahminical castes at those times, which even

> > continues now, unfortunately.

> >

> >

> >

> > Here you say:

> >

> > >What is the

> > >point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest?

> >

> >

> >

> > I did not brand everyone as a bigoted Brahmin priest, but I did

> brand a

> > bigoted Brahmin as a `Bigoted Brahmin', Why are you getting

> > worried? Unless you are in to supporting them?

> >

> >

> >

> > Here you say:

> >

> > ? Faith is

> > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut

brains

> > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified

these

> > rituals and practices in the past....

> >

> >

> >

> > I am not saying anything against the Mahathmas or Sages who

coded

> these

> > rituals for the benefit of Universe and the whole humanity. I am

> just

> > saying that there are some intelligent sections of the community

who

> > monopolized the whole issue and out of their selfish interests,

> these

> > sections (some) have misused to scare the general public and

make

> them

> > pay up through their nose. Do you give guarantee that they are

not

> being

> > misused? To scare the public and extract money and cheat the

public?

> >

> >

> >

> > Here you say:

> >

> > Our motive should be to help him to come to

> > positive terms with his life.

> >

> >

> >

> > But how can you? You Yourself are not Positive? And how can a

> Expensive

> > Golden Hairpin Solve all the Problems? I will guarantee you that,

> > nothing is going to happen, whether he gifts the Golden Hairpin

to a

> > Brahmin or not. Please Stop this Natak (drama) and you are

trying to

> > explain all other unrelated stuff to support your mistake. You

are

> not

> > really Enlightened Astrologer? Are You? Or just a Brahmin Caste

> Pandith?

> >

> > Who think that astrology is their birth right or some thing

etc.????

> >

> > A Positive thinking, strength and a fearlessness to

> face any

> > challenge of life is what is needed. An inner transformation of

the

> > innate nature, to conquer and master one's own way of life is

needed

> > and an astrologer's job is to strengthen the positive traits of

his

> > client but not to scare him with negativity and take advantage

of

> his

> > fears. I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but there

is a

> > school of thinking of Modern Astrologers, who advocate a Positive

> > Astrology and Therapeutic Counselling compared to the majority of

> > ancient astrologers and the so called pundits who write all

> (mostly) the

> > negative predictions of the life, making the client's life more

> > miserable but in the end the Brahmin and the astrologer

benefiting

> from

> > the Dakshinas. This is one of the major reasons, why astrology

got

> the

> > bad name. There needs be more understanding of principles of

> astrology

> > and the application of sutras to modern life in more broader

secular

> > terms.

> >

> >

> >

> > As I am putting these as an alternative and radical modern

thinking

> for

> > the future astrologers to keep in Mind and not to follow

everything

> > blindly or have a superior caste ego. An astrologer should be

Ego-

> Less

> > and Rebellious first. And not expect too much or have a

superiority

> > complex. He has to experiment a lot and come to conclusions in a

> > scientific and viable way.

> >

> >

> >

> > I repeat:

> >

> > Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted Brahmana Shapa

etc.

> > They are all Made out things And Additions later on, to make

money

> and

> > get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of Society in the

name

> of

> > Astrology.

> >

> > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness,

> Meditations,

> > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and

> > Prayerfulness.

> >

> >

> >

> > And proceed happily with your life in a Positive Manner,

Fearlessly.

> >

> >

> >

> > Best Wishes to All.

> >

> >

> >

> > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL.

> >

> >

> >

> > Namasthay

> >

> >

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> >

> >

> >

> > -------Ananda Sunkanpally

> >

> >

> >

> > PS: There are no assumptions of superiority, BUT only friendly

> > discussions on principles.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Member:

> > >

> > > I can only pity your ignorance! Brahmana curse does not

necessariy

> > > arise out of "explicit curse" of a Brahmin. It is caused by

any of

> > > the following reasons:

> > >

> > > 1) Willful insult to a pious brahmin (here brahmin does not

> > > necessarily mean the "narrow definition" by birth....any pious

> person

> > > with satwik qualities and engaged in spiritual pursuits and

Aatma

> > > bhaava is a Brahmin; one who upholds truthfulness is a

> > > brahmin.....The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example

of

> how

> > > even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood!).

> > >

> > > 2) Imputing motives to the well-meaning shastraic suggestions

of a

> > > learned person.

> > >

> > > 3) Disrespect to scriptures and vedas (rational analysis of

> > > scriptures is not a sin; but opiniated outbursts against

shastras

> is

> > > a clear disrespect to shastras!).

> > >

> > > 4) Knowingly or unknowingly harming a true brahmin will lead to

> > > brahminical curse. A true Brahmin may not even curse

others...but,

> > > the agony of the distressed soul will take the form of a

> curse....at

> > > least if the pious person had cursed, the results would have

been

> > > limited to the terms of the curse...but when a pious person

just

> > > feels the pain of an act and keeps quiet, the wrath of the

deities

> > > will definitely befall on the doer of that injustice as a

powerful

> > > curse that may continue for many births. Any person who curses

> > > another invokes severe karma. The karmic wheel is true and

> > > unfailing! Even great sages of yore have lost their hard-earned

> > > tapasya powers by cursing others.....But, curses do have their

> > > effects and that cannot be denied! If one stabs you with a

knife

> you

> > > will die; that the other person invokes severe karma does not

> prevent

> > > you from getting hurt. In the same way, curses do have their

> effect

> > > if the curser is even marginally more powerful than you in

terms

> of

> > > occult powers or mantra siddhi.

> > >

> > > This is a knowledge forum....and arguments should be based on

> > > shastraic injunctions and not on mere surmises or hate on

certain

> > > castes/creeds! There are so many things that are not found in

any

> of

> > > the books and come by tradition over countless years. You

cannot

> > > brush everything as being "invented" for money. Wrath is

> unbecoming

> > > of a scholar. There are some valid philosophical points in

your

> post

> > > but your hate for certain sect is so palpable that it is the

only

> > > thing that will be obvious to the members reading your

> post.....the

> > > person who had raised query wants a solution and he is

entering

> into

> > > a mundane life.....Our motive should be to help him to come to

> > > positive terms with his life. Can the member who raised the

query

> > > afford to get married without a priest? Won't he feel the

pressure

> > > of his family or for that matter, the bride's family? What is

the

> > > point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? Faith

is

> > > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut

> brains

> > > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified

> these

> > > rituals and practices in the past....Let us not assume our own

> > > superiority in these matters. This is my humble request.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology,

> > > "aghorabhairav" aghorabhairav@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > SPREADING TOO MUCH SUPERSTITIONS IS TO BE CONDEMNED.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Can You Tell me who is a real Vedic Brahmana? IS there

anybody?

> > > > Really?....

> > > >

> > > > I don't think Bigoted 'officiating priests' are real Vedic

> > > Brahmanas.

> > > >

> > > > Also what kind of Karma will that Brahmana Who cursed will

> undergo?

> > > What

> > > > kind of Remedy/Shanthi that Cursing real Vedic Brahmana DO?

> > > >

> > > > If he is really a real Vedic 'Brahmana' (who

cannot/incapable of

> > > control

> > > > of any of his Indriyas), can he not control his/her anger/

> emotions?

> > > >

> > > > I say the better remedy is to curse back that real fake Vedic

> > > Brahmana

> > > > (who ever is supposed to have cursed you), and take out that

> fear

> > > from

> > > > your Mind and Subconscious Conditioning by Superstitious

> Thinking

> > > (used

> > > > by negative astrology), and proceed happily with your life

in a

> > > Positive

> > > > Manner, Fearlessly. Don't worry, there are no such things as

> Bigoted

> > > > Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And

Additions

> > > later on,

> > > > to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive

Castes/Classes

> of

> > > > Society in the name of Astrology.

> > > >

> > > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness,

> > > Meditations,

> > > > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana,

Equality

> and

> > > > Prayerfulness.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes to All.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Namasthay

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri. Sagarvpatil:

> > > > >

> > > > > You may gift a golden hair-pin to your prospective bride

on

> the

> > > day

> > > > > of the betrothal (the day before the marriage). The bride

> should

> > > > > wear it throughout the marriage ceremony. After the

> saptapathi and

> > > > > mangala sutra dhaaranam are over, you must gift this hair-

pin

> to a

> > > > > vedic brahmin praying that all brahmana curses should be

> > > neutralized

> > > > > by this gift to a vedic brahmin. You can offer the hair-

pin as

> > > gift

> > > > > to the officiating priest of the marriage. Do this with

full

> faith

> > > > > and with the attitude that you are offering this gift to

the

> Veda

> > > > > purushaa Himself without having any doubts as to whether

the

> > > > > recipient of the gift is qualified for that exalted

status!

> Our

> > > > > attitude can cover up for the possible deficiency of the

> > > recipient....

> > > > >

> > > > > Otherwise, you can sponsor a samaaradhana for one day in a

> veda

> > > > > patasaala and honour the vedic teachers and students if

you

> can

> > > make

> > > > > a visit to a patasala like that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Curses are overcome by donations and charities rather than

by

> > > wearing

> > > > > the concerned gemstones ourselves!

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology,

> > > > > "sagarvpatil" sagarvpatil@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Gurujis,

> > > > > > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th

> house(Gemini)

> > > and

> > > > > > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter is in 8th house

in

> > > Meena

> > > > > > Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects

> because of

> > > > > this

> > > > > > shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am

wearing an

> > > > > pushpraj

> > > > > > stone, is it going to help me?

> > > > > > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house,

will

> this

> > > > > > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in

Dec

> 06,

> > > so I

> > > > > > would like to know what care I should take.

> > > > > > My Birth details are as follows:

> > > > > > B.09-07-1975

> > > > > > B.Time: 09:05am

> > > > > > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks & regards

> > > > > > Sagar

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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ll HARE RAM ll

Dear Anamika ji,

You got registered your house any time after 25-11-2006.There is no significance of

Uttrayana or Dakshiyana regarding this matter.

God bless

Shashie Shekhar

 

"Dr.Anamika Gulati" <anamikagulati > wrote:

DearJairadhe

Thanks a lot for the response. Please tell me if ravimaha dasa can affect my career and if i should go about any new venture.

Regards

Anamika

 

vrajleela wrote:

vedic astrology, "Dr.Anamika Gulati"

wrote:

>Dear Anamikaji

As per your details, you are running Ravimaha dasa, guru sub-period.

However, it is advisable to register in uttarayana preferably after

3rd March 2007. I suggest you postpone the registration temporarily.

Jairadhe

> Respected Gurujans

> A mail on this group said this week is inauspicious especially

16th for all of india. I was to get registry of my house done,

please advice a suitable date.

> Birth details 26.06.1971, 8pm , dehradun

> Regards

> Anamika

>

> mohanraaam wrote:

> Dear "Aghorabhairav":

>

> YOu are not aware of the person against whom you are imputing

> motives! Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is a very respected contributor

of

> this columns and ask the scores and scores of people benefitted by

> his counsel whether he is bigotted.....Infact, Guruji is a living

> example of integrating vedic values in a modern living. You have

> written "IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY"....but your outlook and

> approach itself is very negative. I can say without fear of

> contradiction that Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is the most positive

> astrologer I have ever met.....He never scares his clients; on the

> contrary, he does his best to assuage the anxieties of those who

sek

> his help everyday. In spite of his busy schedule, he devotes his

> time to post messages in this column so that learners of this

subject

> can get benefitted. He has lived a life steeped in spiritual

> principles and when he says something, it is almost always correct.

>

> You have not read Guruji's post properly....He has very clearly

> stated in the very first point that all pious persons with

spiritual

> values in life are Brahmins and not merely those who are Brahmins

by

> birth. In fact, this is Guruji's basic principle in life though he

> himself was born as a Brahmin of the highest caste. Guruji used to

> cite examples of great saints of various classes of society to

stress

> his point. Guruji's take on caste is that it may be relevant for

> certain vedic karmaas of a normal human life; but once a person

goes

> beyond the limitations of mundane existence and treads the

spiritual

> path, there should be no distinction based on caste.

>

> Brahmana saapa exists....and it is supported in classics like

Brihat

> Parasara Hora Shaastra and various Naadi granthaas. If you do not

> believe in all this, you are free to start your own forum on SO-

> CALLED RADICAL ASTROLOGY. If a patient goes to a doctor with an

> ailment, the treatment has to be given whether it is to the taste

of

> the patient or not......You cannot call a doctor as "POSITIVE

MEDICAL

> PRACTITIONER" if he just ignores the ailment and says "It does not

> exist at all!" Your claiming to be a positive astrologer by

assertin

> g"There is not Brahmana saapaa at all" without analyzing the

native's

> horoscope is not positive astrology but idiocy at its heights.

> Moreoever, the honourable member of this forum wanted advice on

> Bramana saapa which he obviously believes in.....Learned Guruji

> answered it to calm down the native. You must understand that

Guruji

> did not ask the hairpin for himself...he has no monetary interest

in

> this issue at all! He has also suggested an alternative of

> sponsoring the vedic studies of a student to get rid of the curse.

> Obviously it is a measure of charity! You can have alternate views

> on issues; but you cannot brush away all previous authorities and

> usurp the role of propogator of "Positive astrology".

>

> In one of your recent posts, you had wanted to quit the forum.

> Kindly do so and do a service to this forum instead of spreading

hate

> in this forum of vedic knowledge.

>

> Otherwise, many members will be forced to demand your ban from

this

> group and throw you way with ignomity.

>

> Mohanraaam.

>

> vedic astrology,

> "aghorabhairav" wrote:

> >

> >

> > IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY

> >

> > Dear Member

> >

> >

> >

> > I also can pity your ignorance!

> >

> > First point, How this person can be responsible for some

imagined

> karma

> > done in some imagined precious birth? when is first Karma

> committed? In

> > which Birth?

> >

> > If it is not caused by any explicit nature, then what is the

point

> in

> > making him suffer through guilt complex and some unknown

unrelated

> > person getting substantial benefit of Gold extracted from such

> > gullibles?

> >

> > May I ask You, from which Shastra and out of which experience

have

> you

> > suggested such a make belief remedy?

> >

> >

> >

> > And about harming others, My opinion is one should not harm EVEN

any

> > living being, they need not be especially "Brahmin" variety

[:D] .

> >

> >

> >

> > Here you say:

> >

> > Ø The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of how

> > >even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood!

> >

> >

> >

> > This statement implies that You are having an opinion that

Brahmin

> means

> > by birth and thus implying the innate superior casteism in you

is

> quite

> > obvious, so the bigotry IS IMPLIED. Sage Vishwamitra was a

victim of

> > Brahminical hypocrisy. His story shows that, even kings were

highly

> > manipulated by the brahminical castes at those times, which even

> > continues now, unfortunately.

> >

> >

> >

> > Here you say:

> >

> > >What is the

> > >point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest?

> >

> >

> >

> > I did not brand everyone as a bigoted Brahmin priest, but I did

> brand a

> > bigoted Brahmin as a `Bigoted Brahmin', Why are you getting

> > worried? Unless you are in to supporting them?

> >

> >

> >

> > Here you say:

> >

> > ? Faith is

> > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut

brains

> > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified

these

> > rituals and practices in the past....

> >

> >

> >

> > I am not saying anything against the Mahathmas or Sages who

coded

> these

> > rituals for the benefit of Universe and the whole humanity. I am

> just

> > saying that there are some intelligent sections of the community

who

> > monopolized the whole issue and out of their selfish interests,

> these

> > sections (some) have misused to scare the general public and

make

> them

> > pay up through their nose. Do you give guarantee that they are

not

> being

> > misused? To scare the public and extract money and cheat the

public?

> >

> >

> >

> > Here you say:

> >

> > Our motive should be to help him to come to

> > positive terms with his life.

> >

> >

> >

> > But how can you? You Yourself are not Positive? And how can a

> Expensive

> > Golden Hairpin Solve all the Problems? I will guarantee you that,

> > nothing is going to happen, whether he gifts the Golden Hairpin

to a

> > Brahmin or not. Please Stop this Natak (drama) and you are

trying to

> > explain all other unrelated stuff to support your mistake. You

are

> not

> > really Enlightened Astrologer? Are You? Or just a Brahmin Caste

> Pandith?

> >

> > Who think that astrology is their birth right or some thing

etc.????

> >

> > A Positive thinking, strength and a fearlessness to

> face any

> > challenge of life is what is needed. An inner transformation of

the

> > innate nature, to conquer and master one's own way of life is

needed

> > and an astrologer's job is to strengthen the positive traits of

his

> > client but not to scare him with negativity and take advantage

of

> his

> > fears. I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but there

is a

> > school of thinking of Modern Astrologers, who advocate a Positive

> > Astrology and Therapeutic Counselling compared to the majority of

> > ancient astrologers and the so called pundits who write all

> (mostly) the

> > negative predictions of the life, making the client's life more

> > miserable but in the end the Brahmin and the astrologer

benefiting

> from

> > the Dakshinas. This is one of the major reasons, why astrology

got

> the

> > bad name. There needs be more understanding of principles of

> astrology

> > and the application of sutras to modern life in more broader

secular

> > terms.

> >

> >

> >

> > As I am putting these as an alternative and radical modern

thinking

> for

> > the future astrologers to keep in Mind and not to follow

everything

> > blindly or have a superior caste ego. An astrologer should be

Ego-

> Less

> > and Rebellious first. And not expect too much or have a

superiority

> > complex. He has to experiment a lot and come to conclusions in a

> > scientific and viable way.

> >

> >

> >

> > I repeat:

> >

> > Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted Brahmana Shapa

etc.

> > They are all Made out things And Additions later on, to make

money

> and

> > get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of Society in the

name

> of

> > Astrology.

> >

> > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness,

> Meditations,

> > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and

> > Prayerfulness.

> >

> >

> >

> > And proceed happily with your life in a Positive Manner,

Fearlessly.

> >

> >

> >

> > Best Wishes to All.

> >

> >

> >

> > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL.

> >

> >

> >

> > Namasthay

> >

> >

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> >

> >

> >

> > -------Ananda Sunkanpally

> >

> >

> >

> > PS: There are no assumptions of superiority, BUT only friendly

> > discussions on principles.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Member:

> > >

> > > I can only pity your ignorance! Brahmana curse does not

necessariy

> > > arise out of "explicit curse" of a Brahmin. It is caused by

any of

> > > the following reasons:

> > >

> > > 1) Willful insult to a pious brahmin (here brahmin does not

> > > necessarily mean the "narrow definition" by birth....any pious

> person

> > > with satwik qualities and engaged in spiritual pursuits and

Aatma

> > > bhaava is a Brahmin; one who upholds truthfulness is a

> > > brahmin.....The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example

of

> how

> > > even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood!).

> > >

> > > 2) Imputing motives to the well-meaning shastraic suggestions

of a

> > > learned person.

> > >

> > > 3) Disrespect to scriptures and vedas (rational analysis of

> > > scriptures is not a sin; but opiniated outbursts against

shastras

> is

> > > a clear disrespect to shastras!).

> > >

> > > 4) Knowingly or unknowingly harming a true brahmin will lead to

> > > brahminical curse. A true Brahmin may not even curse

others...but,

> > > the agony of the distressed soul will take the form of a

> curse....at

> > > least if the pious person had cursed, the results would have

been

> > > limited to the terms of the curse...but when a pious person

just

> > > feels the pain of an act and keeps quiet, the wrath of the

deities

> > > will definitely befall on the doer of that injustice as a

powerful

> > > curse that may continue for many births. Any person who curses

> > > another invokes severe karma. The karmic wheel is true and

> > > unfailing! Even great sages of yore have lost their hard-earned

> > > tapasya powers by cursing others.....But, curses do have their

> > > effects and that cannot be denied! If one stabs you with a

knife

> you

> > > will die; that the other person invokes severe karma does not

> prevent

> > > you from getting hurt. In the same way, curses do have their

> effect

> > > if the curser is even marginally more powerful than you in

terms

> of

> > > occult powers or mantra siddhi.

> > >

> > > This is a knowledge forum....and arguments should be based on

> > > shastraic injunctions and not on mere surmises or hate on

certain

> > > castes/creeds! There are so many things that are not found in

any

> of

> > > the books and come by tradition over countless years. You

cannot

> > > brush everything as being "invented" for money. Wrath is

> unbecoming

> > > of a scholar. There are some valid philosophical points in

your

> post

> > > but your hate for certain sect is so palpable that it is the

only

> > > thing that will be obvious to the members reading your

> post.....the

> > > person who had raised query wants a solution and he is

entering

> into

> > > a mundane life.....Our motive should be to help him to come to

> > > positive terms with his life. Can the member who raised the

query

> > > afford to get married without a priest? Won't he feel the

pressure

> > > of his family or for that matter, the bride's family? What is

the

> > > point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? Faith

is

> > > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut

> brains

> > > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified

> these

> > > rituals and practices in the past....Let us not assume our own

> > > superiority in these matters. This is my humble request.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology,

> > > "aghorabhairav" aghorabhairav@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > SPREADING TOO MUCH SUPERSTITIONS IS TO BE CONDEMNED.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Can You Tell me who is a real Vedic Brahmana? IS there

anybody?

> > > > Really?....

> > > >

> > > > I don't think Bigoted 'officiating priests' are real Vedic

> > > Brahmanas.

> > > >

> > > > Also what kind of Karma will that Brahmana Who cursed will

> undergo?

> > > What

> > > > kind of Remedy/Shanthi that Cursing real Vedic Brahmana DO?

> > > >

> > > > If he is really a real Vedic 'Brahmana' (who

cannot/incapable of

> > > control

> > > > of any of his Indriyas), can he not control his/her anger/

> emotions?

> > > >

> > > > I say the better remedy is to curse back that real fake Vedic

> > > Brahmana

> > > > (who ever is supposed to have cursed you), and take out that

> fear

> > > from

> > > > your Mind and Subconscious Conditioning by Superstitious

> Thinking

> > > (used

> > > > by negative astrology), and proceed happily with your life

in a

> > > Positive

> > > > Manner, Fearlessly. Don't worry, there are no such things as

> Bigoted

> > > > Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And

Additions

> > > later on,

> > > > to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive

Castes/Classes

> of

> > > > Society in the name of Astrology.

> > > >

> > > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness,

> > > Meditations,

> > > > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana,

Equality

> and

> > > > Prayerfulness.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes to All.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Namasthay

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri. Sagarvpatil:

> > > > >

> > > > > You may gift a golden hair-pin to your prospective bride

on

> the

> > > day

> > > > > of the betrothal (the day before the marriage). The bride

> should

> > > > > wear it throughout the marriage ceremony. After the

> saptapathi and

> > > > > mangala sutra dhaaranam are over, you must gift this hair-

pin

> to a

> > > > > vedic brahmin praying that all brahmana curses should be

> > > neutralized

> > > > > by this gift to a vedic brahmin. You can offer the hair-

pin as

> > > gift

> > > > > to the officiating priest of the marriage. Do this with

full

> faith

> > > > > and with the attitude that you are offering this gift to

the

> Veda

> > > > > purushaa Himself without having any doubts as to whether

the

> > > > > recipient of the gift is qualified for that exalted

status!

> Our

> > > > > attitude can cover up for the possible deficiency of the

> > > recipient....

> > > > >

> > > > > Otherwise, you can sponsor a samaaradhana for one day in a

> veda

> > > > > patasaala and honour the vedic teachers and students if

you

> can

> > > make

> > > > > a visit to a patasala like that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Curses are overcome by donations and charities rather than

by

> > > wearing

> > > > > the concerned gemstones ourselves!

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology,

> > > > > "sagarvpatil" sagarvpatil@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Gurujis,

> > > > > > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th

> house(Gemini)

> > > and

> > > > > > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter is in 8th house

in

> > > Meena

> > > > > > Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects

> because of

> > > > > this

> > > > > > shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am

wearing an

> > > > > pushpraj

> > > > > > stone, is it going to help me?

> > > > > > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house,

will

> this

> > > > > > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in

Dec

> 06,

> > > so I

> > > > > > would like to know what care I should take.

> > > > > > My Birth details are as follows:

> > > > > > B.09-07-1975

> > > > > > B.Time: 09:05am

> > > > > > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks & regards

> > > > > > Sagar

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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