Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Dear Dakshinamurthy and Ananda Sunkanpally, the reply given by Sri Dakshina murthy is fairly complete and only one good para of Mr. Ananda Sunkanpally on `BEST HIGHER REMEDIES... they work and if u cpuple them with the traditional ones work even better. I can only say a few words more ` Brahmins were used by the rulers and harassed by rulers they did not dictate the course of anyone's life. the Kshatryas used the brahmins as they knew the average eprson feared god, the Brahmins who served them and abused their proximity have done harm to Brahmins not all. all puranas show how brahmins were targeted, Mughal empire or British Empire also abused Brahmins and some weak ones to survive served them -shamelessly some did help in gen to adminster. the consequences of keepign bad company by a few Brahmisn has hurt them all now every thing traditional is hated we are loosing valuabe knowledge in VEDAs as it is supposed to be brahminical and primitive,. but when a westerners uses it and patentsYoga, Ayurvedha, Neem, Basmati or Tulsi we jump it is hypcrasy. time we discovered our wealth as china is doing preserve, rpotect, propogate its heritage. we have successfully destroyed most of it due to the LEFT parties ans socilaist congres who are more anti hindu and pro Islamic in all their activities and writign so history books we teach fellw Indiasn awe hate all Indian heritage, a shame, ON REMEDIES we cant say it wa written for gain and allwho practice gain in it pl visit most brahmins in any traditional life style is poor the ones in big temples may be well off but may NOT be doing this work or remediees suggestions, and now most brahmins have taken to Vaisya line-TRADE so no reeom to blame them as like inpast when brahmins subserved some ruler now they work for foreign nations or MNC's or in business. if we cant save their base and allow them to live and preachm teach we loose the word VEdic, Hindu in a few years.and the best punishment brahmins can be given is pay them well and see they teach all even low castes now and they dont enter other areas I just said this way knowledge grows, is alive tradition too. HINDUIS never invaded any country for greed, avarice, or spreadign its thinking, budhism or jainism or siekism, too. but rest have study, try any thign and then make a comment like Hanmen did on Homeopathy a critic to decry ended up a best propogater and codified metria medica. what we sow we reap if we sow good wishes, spirit we reap it as well. best wishes G B Prashant Kumar aghorabhairav <aghorabhairav .au> vedic astrology Wednesday, November 8, 2006 6:53:40 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Pl. help ( Brahman shapa ) IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY Dear Member I also can pity your ignorance! First point, How this person can be responsible for some imagined karma done in some imagined precious birth? when is first Karma committed? In which Birth? If it is not caused by any explicit nature, then what is the point in making him suffer through guilt complex and some unknown unrelated person getting substantial benefit of Gold extracted from such gullibles? May I ask You, from which Shastra and out of which experience have you suggested such a make belief remedy? And about harming others, My opinion is one should not harm EVEN any living being, they need not be especially "Brahmin" variety [] . Here you say: Ø The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of how >even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood! This statement implies that You are having an opinion that Brahmin means by birth and thus implying the innate superior casteism in you is quite obvious, so the bigotry IS IMPLIED. Sage Vishwamitra was a victim of Brahminical hypocrisy. His story shows that, even kings were highly manipulated by the brahminical castes at those times, which even continues now, unfortunately. Here you say: >What is the >point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? I did not brand everyone as a bigoted Brahmin priest, but I did brand a bigoted Brahmin as a `Bigoted Brahmin', Why are you getting worried? Unless you are in to supporting them? Here you say: ? Faith is most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut brains are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified these rituals and practices in the past.... I am not saying anything against the Mahathmas or Sages who coded these rituals for the benefit of Universe and the whole humanity. I am just saying that there are some intelligent sections of the community who monopolized the whole issue and out of their selfish interests, these sections (some) have misused to scare the general public and make them pay up through their nose. Do you give guarantee that they are not being misused? To scare the public and extract money and cheat the public? Here you say: Our motive should be to help him to come to positive terms with his life. But how can you? You Yourself are not Positive? And how can a Expensive Golden Hairpin Solve all the Problems? I will guarantee you that, nothing is going to happen, whether he gifts the Golden Hairpin to a Brahmin or not. Please Stop this Natak (drama) and you are trying to explain all other unrelated stuff to support your mistake. You are not really Enlightened Astrologer? Are You? Or just a Brahmin Caste Pandith? Who think that astrology is their birth right or some thing etc.???? A Positive thinking, strength and a fearlessness to face any challenge of life is what is needed. An inner transformation of the innate nature, to conquer and master one's own way of life is needed and an astrologer's job is to strengthen the positive traits of his client but not to scare him with negativity and take advantage of his fears. I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but there is a school of thinking of Modern Astrologers, who advocate a Positive Astrology and Therapeutic Counselling compared to the majority of ancient astrologers and the so called pundits who write all (mostly) the negative predictions of the life, making the client's life more miserable but in the end the Brahmin and the astrologer benefiting from the Dakshinas. This is one of the major reasons, why astrology got the bad name. There needs be more understanding of principles of astrology and the application of sutras to modern life in more broader secular terms. As I am putting these as an alternative and radical modern thinking for the future astrologers to keep in Mind and not to follow everything blindly or have a superior caste ego. An astrologer should be Ego-Less and Rebellious first. And not expect too much or have a superiority complex. He has to experiment a lot and come to conclusions in a scientific and viable way. I repeat: Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And Additions later on, to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of Society in the name of Astrology. The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, Meditations, Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and Prayerfulness. And proceed happily with your life in a Positive Manner, Fearlessly. Best Wishes to All. May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. Namasthay Best Wishes, -------Ananda Sunkanpally PS: There are no assumptions of superiority, BUT only friendly discussions on principles. vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Member: > > I can only pity your ignorance! Brahmana curse does not necessariy > arise out of "explicit curse" of a Brahmin. It is caused by any of > the following reasons: > > 1) Willful insult to a pious brahmin (here brahmin does not > necessarily mean the "narrow definition" by birth....any pious person > with satwik qualities and engaged in spiritual pursuits and Aatma > bhaava is a Brahmin; one who upholds truthfulness is a > brahmin..... The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of how > even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood! ). > > 2) Imputing motives to the well-meaning shastraic suggestions of a > learned person. > > 3) Disrespect to scriptures and vedas (rational analysis of > scriptures is not a sin; but opiniated outbursts against shastras is > a clear disrespect to shastras!). > > 4) Knowingly or unknowingly harming a true brahmin will lead to > brahminical curse. A true Brahmin may not even curse others...but, > the agony of the distressed soul will take the form of a curse....at > least if the pious person had cursed, the results would have been > limited to the terms of the curse...but when a pious person just > feels the pain of an act and keeps quiet, the wrath of the deities > will definitely befall on the doer of that injustice as a powerful > curse that may continue for many births. Any person who curses > another invokes severe karma. The karmic wheel is true and > unfailing! Even great sages of yore have lost their hard-earned > tapasya powers by cursing others.....But, curses do have their > effects and that cannot be denied! If one stabs you with a knife you > will die; that the other person invokes severe karma does not prevent > you from getting hurt. In the same way, curses do have their effect > if the curser is even marginally more powerful than you in terms of > occult powers or mantra siddhi. > > This is a knowledge forum....and arguments should be based on > shastraic injunctions and not on mere surmises or hate on certain > castes/creeds! There are so many things that are not found in any of > the books and come by tradition over countless years. You cannot > brush everything as being "invented" for money. Wrath is unbecoming > of a scholar. There are some valid philosophical points in your post > but your hate for certain sect is so palpable that it is the only > thing that will be obvious to the members reading your post.....the > person who had raised query wants a solution and he is entering into > a mundane life.....Our motive should be to help him to come to > positive terms with his life. Can the member who raised the query > afford to get married without a priest? Won't he feel the pressure > of his family or for that matter, the bride's family? What is the > point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? Faith is > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut brains > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified these > rituals and practices in the past....Let us not assume our own > superiority in these matters. This is my humble request. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology, > "aghorabhairav" aghorabhairav@ wrote: > > > > > > SPREADING TOO MUCH SUPERSTITIONS IS TO BE CONDEMNED. > > > > > > > > Can You Tell me who is a real Vedic Brahmana? IS there anybody? > > Really?.... > > > > I don't think Bigoted 'officiating priests' are real Vedic > Brahmanas. > > > > Also what kind of Karma will that Brahmana Who cursed will undergo? > What > > kind of Remedy/Shanthi that Cursing real Vedic Brahmana DO? > > > > If he is really a real Vedic 'Brahmana' (who cannot/incapable of > control > > of any of his Indriyas), can he not control his/her anger/emotions? > > > > I say the better remedy is to curse back that real fake Vedic > Brahmana > > (who ever is supposed to have cursed you), and take out that fear > from > > your Mind and Subconscious Conditioning by Superstitious Thinking > (used > > by negative astrology), and proceed happily with your life in a > Positive > > Manner, Fearlessly. Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted > > Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And Additions > later on, > > to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of > > Society in the name of Astrology. > > > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, > Meditations, > > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and > > Prayerfulness. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes to All. > > > > > > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > > > > > > > Namasthay > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sagarvpatil: > > > > > > You may gift a golden hair-pin to your prospective bride on the > day > > > of the betrothal (the day before the marriage). The bride should > > > wear it throughout the marriage ceremony. After the saptapathi and > > > mangala sutra dhaaranam are over, you must gift this hair-pin to a > > > vedic brahmin praying that all brahmana curses should be > neutralized > > > by this gift to a vedic brahmin. You can offer the hair-pin as > gift > > > to the officiating priest of the marriage. Do this with full faith > > > and with the attitude that you are offering this gift to the Veda > > > purushaa Himself without having any doubts as to whether the > > > recipient of the gift is qualified for that exalted status! Our > > > attitude can cover up for the possible deficiency of the > recipient... . > > > > > > Otherwise, you can sponsor a samaaradhana for one day in a veda > > > patasaala and honour the vedic teachers and students if you can > make > > > a visit to a patasala like that. > > > > > > Curses are overcome by donations and charities rather than by > wearing > > > the concerned gemstones ourselves! > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > "sagarvpatil" sagarvpatil@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujis, > > > > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th house(Gemini) > and > > > > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio) . Jupiter is in 8th house in > Meena > > > > Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects because of > > > this > > > > shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am wearing an > > > pushpraj > > > > stone, is it going to help me? > > > > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house, will this > > > > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in Dec 06, > so I > > > > would like to know what care I should take. > > > > My Birth details are as follows: > > > > B.09-07-1975 > > > > B.Time: 09:05am > > > > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India) > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards > > > > Sagar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Ananda, a good line, sure he can but lets us give him a sample of opur side as I have just now by our side i mean belivers.and who know what we are taught in school as history is more rubbish, perverted and untruth so from such a stand point we msut not decry our heritage u see many kids do well in competions on foreign cultire, deities, mythlogy and are terrible on our own. as the left parties ahve written our history in total contempt for Hindu/vedic knowledge. we msut see all sides no harm and it will be sad if a westerner teaches what we already know and are loosing. positive vibes bring +ve results and froma true scholar helps in both ways good and bad, why take shapa alone it can be BLESSING of the learned if u r in the right side of a respectable person. it is like being with Veerappan, and secular parties corrupt+criminal politicans, or with Infosys Narayana Murthy , Bill gates whom will u be with? G B Prashant Kumar Pl give personal data with some life events and dates, jobs, marriage, family, kids. Services of this astrologer in the group are free, personal mail and CHAT consultations ARE CHARGEABLE! Ice Maiden <icymaiden2000 > vedic astrology Wednesday, November 8, 2006 11:15:40 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Pl. help ( Brahman shapa ) Ananda This is a Vedic Astrology Forum not an alternative and radical modern thinking forum. The person asked for remedies and it was suggested to him based on vedic astrology. Its upto the person to do it or not. If you don't have faith in vedic astrology and want to force your alternative and radical modern thinking on to others, you may as well start such a forum yourself. I am sure many other of your thinking will join your forum. ------------ --------- --------- --- Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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