caution about manipulated birthtimes 13/11 birth time 2

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Dear RRjj,

 

SURE I DO VERIFY IN all face2face cases on ST/WT and i have casted computerised horoscopes for many astrologers in MADRAS, BANGALORE, HYD, PUNE others not much and did make sure they specified it and had my order form giving the start and end dates of WT as given in N C Lahiri'sTABLE of ascendents. similarly for foreign births as many time zones I could recall asking them to specify else the balme is mine for giving them a wrong chart than theirs for not giving me the info costs me more for not verifyig no one paid for their mistakes and I was the 1st ICAS member to do it for many fellow astrologers who were scared of technology [from jan 88, earlier many of them used to get it from KCP from 1971 with a 10 day waiting time] now many have their own PC's a welcome change.

 

regards/Prashant

 

Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Kumar ji,

 

I do not personally believe that there were any 'negative' intentions

in this case, simply lack of clarity -- particularly since the ST/WT

clarification still hangs. It is not so much about the time itself,

as in 10 PM for starters, as an example. But then given the

uncertainty does the astrologer cast a chart based on 10 PM IST or 10

PM WT or 10 PM LMT? All three could have been in vogue, given the

year, and the size of the location and how particular people were

about noting the time, etc.

 

That point was important and hence I was making it.

 

RR

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear RR,

> thanks for the clue here as I did not get the place info right did

not read else as u said would have wasted additional time, I have

also protested on such trends by people how can they use doctered

time, if any astrologer has done it, say even me when i see let it be

the doctred time any FRESH ASTROLOGER MUST see from original

recorded time let them work their way. sad people are taking us for

granted.

>

> thanks once again

>

> regards/Prashant

>

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

wrote: Dear Pratap ji,

>

> May I kindly request you (and others like you who have chosen a

> birthtime, over their documented one at birth) to clearly indicate

> what kind of data they are providing and if possible also give

their

> documented data and source (someone's recollection when they were

> 30something or someone else when they were 90 something, family

> record, etc). It can save people who are serious about astrology

to

> make a choice whether to spend time over such data or not. Lot of

> people on forums like these tend to take posted data as accurate

and

> go to work on those and spend enormous time sometimes for nothing.

>

> The tell-tale sign of manipulated data is generally a birthtime

> recorded upto seconds! But sometimes even 'rectified' time is

given

> in minutes and thus can lead to confusion.

>

> Please note that you personally may be perfectly happy with your

> birthtime and if it makes for a better fit on what you want in

your

> horoscope, but thought I would sound a general caution.

>

> Thanks!

>

> RR

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

> <pkaneria@> wrote:

> >

> > RR ji, Yes. If you remember I had been trying very hard to

rectify

> my birthtime. Finally I have come to peace with this tob which

gives

> aquarius ascendant in navamsa.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > Pratap ji,

> >

> > Have you ever given your birthtime as 20:40 h?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Pratap Kaneria

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant ji,

> > >

> > > My birth data is Nov 18, 1944, 20:46:55, 70E27, 21N44 .

> > >

> > > I have been extremely healthy, physically and mentally, all my

> > life upto now by grace of God. I used to have moderately high

blood

> > pressure. Now by losing some weight, blood pressure is back to

> normal

> > for my age. As of today, take no medicine. Physically I am short

> but

> > not of dark compexion. I am lazy and always looking for short

cuts

> to

> > knowledge and success. Overall I consider myself very fortunate

and

> > blessed. I was able to earn a Master's degree in chemical

> engineering

> > (US) against all odds. Never worked as a chemical engineer.

Nothing

> > comes to me easily but eventually I get what I want after

serious

> > struggle. A lots of ups and downs in life.

> > >

> > > Only question I have is 'would I ever be able to go back to

India

> > and settle there?' If so when?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > > Prashant Kumar G B wrote:

> > > Pratap

> > > it wud be better u give birth details than piece meal picture,

> this

> > at start itself we said is no answer but gen info

> > >

> > > with 2 malefrics in Lagna that too in Mithuna the Kalapurushas

> 3rd

> > house-respirratory disordrs, asthma, wheezing, alergies, some

> > shoulder trouble and psychomatic disorders in the respective

> periods,

> > sub periods

> > >

> > > rahu in Lagna gives avg or dark height and complexion [subject

to

> > other modifications]

> > >

> > > ketu in 7th is a sperate issue here.

> > >

> > > simple come with ur data fo r more and a specific question.

> > >

> > >

> > > Pratap Kaneria

> > > wrote: Dear Ashutosh,

> > >

> > > I have Saturn in ascendant (Gemini) conjunct with Rahu. I

think I

> > have all the benefits you have described. I have two questions

> though.

> > >

> > > 1. How would conjunct Rahu modify the effects of Saturn in

> > ascendant ?

> > >

> > > 2. Would Saturn give different results for different rasis in

> > ascendant ?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > > astrologerashutosh wrote:

> > > Dear Nathan,

> > >

> > > The benefits of Saturn in ascendent are many.

> > >

> > > 1. It makes one very confident

> > >

> > > 2. Gives a placid and cool attitude.

> > >

> > > 3. Gives control over a large number of people.

> > >

> > > 4. The person is born with abilities to rule and lead.

> > >

> > > 5. Spiritual desires and efforts to raise oneself spiritually

> > >

> > > 6. The person is emotionally very stable in all kinds of

> situations.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Ashutosh

> > >

> > > -

> > > N.Nathan

> > >

> > > Sunday, 12 November, 2006 11:03

> > > What benefit by Sanni being In Ascendant?

> > >

> > > Dear Gurus,

> > >

> > > What benefic by Sanni being In Ascendant?

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Nathan

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> > >

> > > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release

 

> > 10/11/2006

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Kumarji,

 

I did not doubt for even a second that all serious jyotishis would

make sincere attempt to verify things like that for those are

essential for most jyotishis who have to go by the chart and not

their intuitive abilities (most of us are technicians!).

 

Having said that, the fact is that there are only so few places given

in Tables of Ascendants and even the ACS atlas. When one runs into a

situation where birthplace is a small to medium town or worse if it

is a village and the birth is during earlier years, there is a mish

mash of standard times and local times and with poor local records in

town-halls and panchayats of time changes etc, it sometimes becomes

an impossible task to track down the real time.

 

Then we come to the other problem in earlier births. How accurate was

the watch or clock? Back then I believe the railway station clock

used to be the golden standard since there were not too many time-

signals and radios, particularly in villages etc. How rigorously

people calibrated their watches and clocks, those that possessed the

time-keepers that is, is sometimes glossed over by astrologers. That

is why I am a bit wary of some birthtimes. I can well understand why

some individuals prefer horary astrology over natal astrology for

such questionable birthtimes.

 

But, I think we have exhausted this topic and sounded enough

pragmatic, realistic notes of caution, as I believe is our duty. Our

responsibility is over :-)

 

RR

 

 

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear RRjj,

>

> SURE I DO VERIFY IN all face2face cases on ST/WT and i have casted

computerised horoscopes for many astrologers in MADRAS, BANGALORE,

HYD, PUNE others not much and did make sure they specified it and had

my order form giving the start and end dates of WT as given in N C

Lahiri'sTABLE of ascendents. similarly for foreign births as many

time zones I could recall asking them to specify else the balme is

mine for giving them a wrong chart than theirs for not giving me the

info costs me more for not verifyig no one paid for their mistakes

and I was the 1st ICAS member to do it for many fellow astrologers

who were scared of technology [from jan 88, earlier many of them

used to get it from KCP from 1971 with a 10 day waiting time] now

many have their own PC's a welcome change.

>

> regards/Prashant

>

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

wrote: Dear Kumar ji,

>

> I do not personally believe that there were any 'negative'

intentions

> in this case, simply lack of clarity -- particularly since the

ST/WT

> clarification still hangs. It is not so much about the time

itself,

> as in 10 PM for starters, as an example. But then given the

> uncertainty does the astrologer cast a chart based on 10 PM IST or

10

> PM WT or 10 PM LMT? All three could have been in vogue, given the

> year, and the size of the location and how particular people were

> about noting the time, etc.

>

> That point was important and hence I was making it.

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RR,

> > thanks for the clue here as I did not get the place info right

did

> not read else as u said would have wasted additional time, I have

> also protested on such trends by people how can they use doctered

> time, if any astrologer has done it, say even me when i see let it

be

> the doctred time any FRESH ASTROLOGER MUST see from original

> recorded time let them work their way. sad people are taking us

for

> granted.

> >

> > thanks once again

> >

> > regards/Prashant

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@>

> wrote: Dear Pratap ji,

> >

> > May I kindly request you (and others like you who have chosen a

> > birthtime, over their documented one at birth) to clearly

indicate

> > what kind of data they are providing and if possible also give

> their

> > documented data and source (someone's recollection when they

were

> > 30something or someone else when they were 90 something, family

> > record, etc). It can save people who are serious about

astrology

> to

> > make a choice whether to spend time over such data or not. Lot

of

> > people on forums like these tend to take posted data as

accurate

> and

> > go to work on those and spend enormous time sometimes for

nothing.

> >

> > The tell-tale sign of manipulated data is generally a birthtime

> > recorded upto seconds! But sometimes even 'rectified' time is

> given

> > in minutes and thus can lead to confusion.

> >

> > Please note that you personally may be perfectly happy with

your

> > birthtime and if it makes for a better fit on what you want in

> your

> > horoscope, but thought I would sound a general caution.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Pratap Kaneria

> > <pkaneria@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RR ji, Yes. If you remember I had been trying very hard to

> rectify

> > my birthtime. Finally I have come to peace with this tob which

> gives

> > aquarius ascendant in navamsa.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > Pratap ji,

> > >

> > > Have you ever given your birthtime as 20:40 h?

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Pratap Kaneria

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prashant ji,

> > > >

> > > > My birth data is Nov 18, 1944, 20:46:55, 70E27, 21N44 .

> > > >

> > > > I have been extremely healthy, physically and mentally, all

my

> > > life upto now by grace of God. I used to have moderately high

> blood

> > > pressure. Now by losing some weight, blood pressure is back

to

> > normal

> > > for my age. As of today, take no medicine. Physically I am

short

> > but

> > > not of dark compexion. I am lazy and always looking for short

> cuts

> > to

> > > knowledge and success. Overall I consider myself very

fortunate

> and

> > > blessed. I was able to earn a Master's degree in chemical

> > engineering

> > > (US) against all odds. Never worked as a chemical engineer.

> Nothing

> > > comes to me easily but eventually I get what I want after

> serious

> > > struggle. A lots of ups and downs in life.

> > > >

> > > > Only question I have is 'would I ever be able to go back to

> India

> > > and settle there?' If so when?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Pratap

> > > >

> > > > Prashant Kumar G B wrote:

> > > > Pratap

> > > > it wud be better u give birth details than piece meal

picture,

> > this

> > > at start itself we said is no answer but gen info

> > > >

> > > > with 2 malefrics in Lagna that too in Mithuna the

Kalapurushas

> > 3rd

> > > house-respirratory disordrs, asthma, wheezing, alergies, some

> > > shoulder trouble and psychomatic disorders in the respective

> > periods,

> > > sub periods

> > > >

> > > > rahu in Lagna gives avg or dark height and complexion

[subject

> to

> > > other modifications]

> > > >

> > > > ketu in 7th is a sperate issue here.

> > > >

> > > > simple come with ur data fo r more and a specific question.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Pratap Kaneria

> > > > wrote: Dear Ashutosh,

> > > >

> > > > I have Saturn in ascendant (Gemini) conjunct with Rahu. I

> think I

> > > have all the benefits you have described. I have two

questions

> > though.

> > > >

> > > > 1. How would conjunct Rahu modify the effects of Saturn in

> > > ascendant ?

> > > >

> > > > 2. Would Saturn give different results for different rasis

in

> > > ascendant ?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > Pratap

> > > >

> > > > astrologerashutosh wrote:

> > > > Dear Nathan,

> > > >

> > > > The benefits of Saturn in ascendent are many.

> > > >

> > > > 1. It makes one very confident

> > > >

> > > > 2. Gives a placid and cool attitude.

> > > >

> > > > 3. Gives control over a large number of people.

> > > >

> > > > 4. The person is born with abilities to rule and lead.

> > > >

> > > > 5. Spiritual desires and efforts to raise oneself

spiritually

> > > >

> > > > 6. The person is emotionally very stable in all kinds of

> > situations.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Ashutosh

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > N.Nathan

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, 12 November, 2006 11:03

> > > > What benefit by Sanni being In Ascendant?

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gurus,

> > > >

> > > > What benefic by Sanni being In Ascendant?

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Nathan

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release

>

> > > 10/11/2006

> > > >

> > > >