caution about manipulated birthtimes 13/11 birth time

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Dear RR,

thanks for the clue here as I did not get the place info right did not read else as u said would have wasted additional time, I have also protested on such trends by people how can they use doctered time, if any astrologer has done it, say even me when i see let it be the doctred time any FRESH ASTROLOGER MUST see from original recorded time let them work their way. sad people are taking us for granted.

 

thanks once again

 

regards/Prashant

 

Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Pratap ji,

 

May I kindly request you (and others like you who have chosen a

birthtime, over their documented one at birth) to clearly indicate

what kind of data they are providing and if possible also give their

documented data and source (someone's recollection when they were

30something or someone else when they were 90 something, family

record, etc). It can save people who are serious about astrology to

make a choice whether to spend time over such data or not. Lot of

people on forums like these tend to take posted data as accurate and

go to work on those and spend enormous time sometimes for nothing.

 

The tell-tale sign of manipulated data is generally a birthtime

recorded upto seconds! But sometimes even 'rectified' time is given

in minutes and thus can lead to confusion.

 

Please note that you personally may be perfectly happy with your

birthtime and if it makes for a better fit on what you want in your

horoscope, but thought I would sound a general caution.

 

Thanks!

 

RR

 

, Pratap Kaneria

<pkaneria wrote:

>

> RR ji, Yes. If you remember I had been trying very hard to rectify

my birthtime. Finally I have come to peace with this tob which gives

aquarius ascendant in navamsa.

>

> Regards,

>

> Pratap

>

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

> Pratap ji,

>

> Have you ever given your birthtime as 20:40 h?

>

> RR

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant ji,

> >

> > My birth data is Nov 18, 1944, 20:46:55, 70E27, 21N44 .

> >

> > I have been extremely healthy, physically and mentally, all my

> life upto now by grace of God. I used to have moderately high blood

> pressure. Now by losing some weight, blood pressure is back to

normal

> for my age. As of today, take no medicine. Physically I am short

but

> not of dark compexion. I am lazy and always looking for short cuts

to

> knowledge and success. Overall I consider myself very fortunate and

> blessed. I was able to earn a Master's degree in chemical

engineering

> (US) against all odds. Never worked as a chemical engineer. Nothing

> comes to me easily but eventually I get what I want after serious

> struggle. A lots of ups and downs in life.

> >

> > Only question I have is 'would I ever be able to go back to India

> and settle there?' If so when?

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> > Prashant Kumar G B wrote:

> > Pratap

> > it wud be better u give birth details than piece meal picture,

this

> at start itself we said is no answer but gen info

> >

> > with 2 malefrics in Lagna that too in Mithuna the Kalapurushas

3rd

> house-respirratory disordrs, asthma, wheezing, alergies, some

> shoulder trouble and psychomatic disorders in the respective

periods,

> sub periods

> >

> > rahu in Lagna gives avg or dark height and complexion [subject to

> other modifications]

> >

> > ketu in 7th is a sperate issue here.

> >

> > simple come with ur data fo r more and a specific question.

> >

> >

> > Pratap Kaneria

> > wrote: Dear Ashutosh,

> >

> > I have Saturn in ascendant (Gemini) conjunct with Rahu. I think I

> have all the benefits you have described. I have two questions

though.

> >

> > 1. How would conjunct Rahu modify the effects of Saturn in

> ascendant ?

> >

> > 2. Would Saturn give different results for different rasis in

> ascendant ?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> > astrologerashutosh wrote:

> > Dear Nathan,

> >

> > The benefits of Saturn in ascendent are many.

> >

> > 1. It makes one very confident

> >

> > 2. Gives a placid and cool attitude.

> >

> > 3. Gives control over a large number of people.

> >

> > 4. The person is born with abilities to rule and lead.

> >

> > 5. Spiritual desires and efforts to raise oneself spiritually

> >

> > 6. The person is emotionally very stable in all kinds of

situations.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Ashutosh

> >

> > -

> > N.Nathan

> >

> > Sunday, 12 November, 2006 11:03

> > What benefit by Sanni being In Ascendant?

> >

> > Dear Gurus,

> >

> > What benefic by Sanni being In Ascendant?

> >

> > Regards

> > Nathan

> >

> > --

> >

> >

> > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release

> 10/11/2006

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Kumar ji,

 

I do not personally believe that there were any 'negative' intentions

in this case, simply lack of clarity -- particularly since the ST/WT

clarification still hangs. It is not so much about the time itself,

as in 10 PM for starters, as an example. But then given the

uncertainty does the astrologer cast a chart based on 10 PM IST or 10

PM WT or 10 PM LMT? All three could have been in vogue, given the

year, and the size of the location and how particular people were

about noting the time, etc.

 

That point was important and hence I was making it.

 

RR

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear RR,

> thanks for the clue here as I did not get the place info right did

not read else as u said would have wasted additional time, I have

also protested on such trends by people how can they use doctered

time, if any astrologer has done it, say even me when i see let it be

the doctred time any FRESH ASTROLOGER MUST see from original

recorded time let them work their way. sad people are taking us for

granted.

>

> thanks once again

>

> regards/Prashant

>

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

wrote: Dear Pratap ji,

>

> May I kindly request you (and others like you who have chosen a

> birthtime, over their documented one at birth) to clearly indicate

> what kind of data they are providing and if possible also give

their

> documented data and source (someone's recollection when they were

> 30something or someone else when they were 90 something, family

> record, etc). It can save people who are serious about astrology

to

> make a choice whether to spend time over such data or not. Lot of

> people on forums like these tend to take posted data as accurate

and

> go to work on those and spend enormous time sometimes for nothing.

>

> The tell-tale sign of manipulated data is generally a birthtime

> recorded upto seconds! But sometimes even 'rectified' time is

given

> in minutes and thus can lead to confusion.

>

> Please note that you personally may be perfectly happy with your

> birthtime and if it makes for a better fit on what you want in

your

> horoscope, but thought I would sound a general caution.

>

> Thanks!

>

> RR

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

> <pkaneria@> wrote:

> >

> > RR ji, Yes. If you remember I had been trying very hard to

rectify

> my birthtime. Finally I have come to peace with this tob which

gives

> aquarius ascendant in navamsa.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > Pratap ji,

> >

> > Have you ever given your birthtime as 20:40 h?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Pratap Kaneria

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant ji,

> > >

> > > My birth data is Nov 18, 1944, 20:46:55, 70E27, 21N44 .

> > >

> > > I have been extremely healthy, physically and mentally, all my

> > life upto now by grace of God. I used to have moderately high

blood

> > pressure. Now by losing some weight, blood pressure is back to

> normal

> > for my age. As of today, take no medicine. Physically I am short

> but

> > not of dark compexion. I am lazy and always looking for short

cuts

> to

> > knowledge and success. Overall I consider myself very fortunate

and

> > blessed. I was able to earn a Master's degree in chemical

> engineering

> > (US) against all odds. Never worked as a chemical engineer.

Nothing

> > comes to me easily but eventually I get what I want after

serious

> > struggle. A lots of ups and downs in life.

> > >

> > > Only question I have is 'would I ever be able to go back to

India

> > and settle there?' If so when?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > > Prashant Kumar G B wrote:

> > > Pratap

> > > it wud be better u give birth details than piece meal picture,

> this

> > at start itself we said is no answer but gen info

> > >

> > > with 2 malefrics in Lagna that too in Mithuna the Kalapurushas

> 3rd

> > house-respirratory disordrs, asthma, wheezing, alergies, some

> > shoulder trouble and psychomatic disorders in the respective

> periods,

> > sub periods

> > >

> > > rahu in Lagna gives avg or dark height and complexion [subject

to

> > other modifications]

> > >

> > > ketu in 7th is a sperate issue here.

> > >

> > > simple come with ur data fo r more and a specific question.

> > >

> > >

> > > Pratap Kaneria

> > > wrote: Dear Ashutosh,

> > >

> > > I have Saturn in ascendant (Gemini) conjunct with Rahu. I

think I

> > have all the benefits you have described. I have two questions

> though.

> > >

> > > 1. How would conjunct Rahu modify the effects of Saturn in

> > ascendant ?

> > >

> > > 2. Would Saturn give different results for different rasis in

> > ascendant ?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > > astrologerashutosh wrote:

> > > Dear Nathan,

> > >

> > > The benefits of Saturn in ascendent are many.

> > >

> > > 1. It makes one very confident

> > >

> > > 2. Gives a placid and cool attitude.

> > >

> > > 3. Gives control over a large number of people.

> > >

> > > 4. The person is born with abilities to rule and lead.

> > >

> > > 5. Spiritual desires and efforts to raise oneself spiritually

> > >

> > > 6. The person is emotionally very stable in all kinds of

> situations.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Ashutosh

> > >

> > > -

> > > N.Nathan

> > >

> > > Sunday, 12 November, 2006 11:03

> > > What benefit by Sanni being In Ascendant?

> > >

> > > Dear Gurus,

> > >

> > > What benefic by Sanni being In Ascendant?

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Nathan

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> > >

> > > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release

 

> > 10/11/2006

> > >

> > >