Guest guest Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 Dear All, What is the correct way to cast a Bhav Chalit Chakra, and what is the proper house system to use and any theory behind it. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Correction: > > //Traditionally Bhava Chakra is an aid to determine the positional strength > of > the planets.// > > To avoid any confusion, it should be made clear that the Bhava Chakra, > calculated with the Equal Houses system, is used for calculating the Sphuta > Bala (residential strength) of the different planets. The five strengths > under the heading of Sthana Bala are referred to as positional strength. > > As said earlier, if a planet is close to the midpoint of a Bhava (midpoint > being Asc degree) it is given a high Residential Strength and if it is > located at the edge of a Bhava it gets a low Residential Strength. A planet > with a high Residential Strength is strong while a planet with a low > Residential Strength is weakened. > > I'm well aware that many interpret the bhava chart in different ways, with > some even giving it favour above the Janma Kundali (Rasi). However, my own > thoughts (obviously) are along the traditional line. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish > <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:51 PM > Re: Re: Bhava Chart or Rasi Chart > > > Dear Rajat, > > //Our varying views on the subject of Bhava versus Rasi Chart// > > It cannot be a question of (any) other chart verses Rasi...other charts, > including Bhava chakra, strengthen or weaken what's indicated in Rasi. > > //"In the delineation of any house, it is the Bhava that is important > and not the Rasi. The differnce between the Rasi and Bhava is > explained in my book 'Manual of Hindu Astrology' ". by Dr B V Raman.// > > In Janma Kundali the rasi (sign) and the bhava (house) are one and the same > and, because the rasi is now a bhava/house, the delineation (naturally) is > per the significations of the bhava/house. Using Krishna's chart as an > example, we wouldn't say, "the ruler of Scorpio has gone to Taurus" or, "the > ruler of Cancer has gone to Taurus"...this tells us nothing because the rasi > is now a bhava and has to be interpreted as such! So, we would say, "the > lord of 4th has gone to 10th" or, "the lord of 12th has gone to 10th". > > Indeed, I agree that, in the delineation of any house (house and bhava are > synonymous BTW), it is the bhava/house that is dominant and not the > rasi/sign. > > Traditionally Bhava Chakra is an aid to determine the positional strength of > the planets. Using bhava chakra (equal house), the Ascending degree is > considered as the centre of the bhava/house which extends 15 degrees either > side; the closer a planet is to this (central) point, the greater its effect > in that bhava/house. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 Dear Ash, My birth details are in the memeber database. In any case, here it is for your ready reference: DOB:7-Sep-1958 TOB: 6:15 am POB: Bangalore, India Regards, Krishna --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 > wrote: > Dear Krishna, > Can you please also post your birth data, or can you please > guide me > to a post where you have mentioned your birth details. I am > unable > to locate it. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear Wendy, > > > > Looks like with your vast knowledge, you will be able to > find > > perfect reasoning for events in my case as well, as always! > > Thanks a lot for taking time to look at my chart. I am very > keen > > to understand your way of looking at my chart. For me, the > best > > way to learn is to understand my own chart first as I can > relate > > to events much better. I have no doubt that this will give > me a > > great lesson in Astrology. As suggested, I am giving some > > important dates here: > > > > - Post Graduation: from August 1980 to July 1982 > > - Joined first job: 22-Jul-1982 > > - Married on 16-May-1984 > > - First daughter: 15-Jul-1985 > > - First trip abroad: 1-Feb-1986 (three month trip) > > - Lived in Switzerland with family from 7-Oct-1987 to Oct > 1990 > > - Second daughetr: 11-Jan-1990 > > - Bought a plot in Dec. 1990 at Bangalore > > - Built my own house and moved into it on 28-Oct-1993 > > - Second job: 26-Apr-1995 > > - Promoted two levels up with significant salary jump > (salary > > actually was DOUBLED!): New position was given in Sep. 1995, > > however, new salary was counted from 1-Jan-1996 onwards. > > - Reached highest level in my career (Director) in Oct 1998 > > (note during Saade Saati! and Sani MD) > > - Father expired around midnight of 5-May-2000 > > - Quit my job on my own to focus on my hobbies (I was also > > unhappy as I was stagnating, 6 years in the same role). Last > > working day was 17-Dec-2004. > > - My first poetry collection was published on 21-Oct-2006 > after > > almsot one year of delay as I had to wait for a famous > writer to > > write the 'Foreword' for my book and also because of the > busy > > publisher. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Krishna > > > > --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > > > > > Dear Krishna, > > > > > > //Thanks for your inputs. I am very keen to see how you > would > > > explain the events in my Guru MD through Rasi chart alone. > If > > > I > > > see the proper explanation, I will stop looking at the > > > Sripathi > > > Bhava chart and will stick to Rasi chart alone.// > > > > > > Let's have a look then whilst my attention is on > this...out of > > > site, out of > > > mind seems to be the way things are for me these days, I'm > > > afraid :-( > > > > > > //The above example is taken from my chart. Guru the > planet > > > indicating expansion is sitting in the house of family and > > > education. If I look at my Guru MD, following related > major > > > events took place in my life:// > > > > > > You're obviously using Sripati as Jupiter remains in 3rd > > > otherwise. I think > > > I mentioned earlier that Sripati is believed to be > medieval > > > Greek in origin > > > and, although seemingly popular today, I doubt if it has > any > > > legitimicy in > > > Vedic astrology...I don/t know, but regardless, I don't > use > > > it, so can't > > > really comment. > > > > > > //- Did my post-graduation in Engineering// > > > > > > It's necessary to have dates to get the full picture i.e. > > > sub-dasas, > > > transits etc. However, I'm sure we can assume that > > > post-graduate studies > > > come under the jurisdiction of 9th (higher education). > Note > > > Jupiter in > > > nakshatra of 4th/9th lord Mars. > > > > > > //- Got married// > > > > > > Jupiter's dispositor (Venus) aspects 7th from lagna. > > > > > > //- Blessed with two daughters// > > > > > > Karaka for children (Jupiter) lords 5th house of children. > > > > > > //This period also was important in terms of career as > Guru > > > aspects the 10th house.// > > > > > > Look at the connection in your horoscope! 10th/3rd lord > Venus, > > > dispositor of > > > Jupiter and Jupiter's star lord Mars), conjuncts lagna > lord in > > > lagna etc.. > > > > > > //- Did lots of job related air travel (again, Guru is the > > > significator for air travel). Just to give an idea of the > > > amount > > > of travel, it was more than 20 international trips to > Europe > > > and > > > USA. Much more local travel within India. Frequency of > trips > > > was > > > significantly higher during Guru-Rahu period// > > > > > > Krishna! have you not even noticed 12th lord Moon in 10th > > > conjunct > > > Mars...star lord of BOTH Moon and Jupiter? > > > > > > I will leave it here for now...perhaps you can give some > dates > > > to confirm > > > these events. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > jyotish-vidya > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > - > > > "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998 > > > <jyotish-vidya> > > > Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:37 PM > > > Re: Bhava Chart or Rasi Chart > > > > > > > > > Dear Wendy, > > > > > > //Other members could (but probably won't) share their own > > > insights on this.// > > > > > > OK, let me try. Though I promised to you that I will stick > to > > > Parashara only on this forum, I am giving my personal > opinion > > > as > > > yourself has prompted for the same. I assume that I am not > > > breaking my promise :-)) > > > > > > Dear Rajat, > > > > > > In fact, I was also in search of answers for the question > you > > > have raised. Dear Wendy is probably right when she says > that > > > Rasi chart is THE horoscope and other charts simply are > > > addendums. I agree with that. Things make more sense when > we > > > look at the Rasi chart using the the right addendums. > > > > > > After some search and questioning other astrologers, I am > > > inclined to accept the following theory: > > > > > > When the bhava chart is similar to Rasi chart there are no > > > issues. However, in some cases, some planets occupy a > adjacent > > > house as Lagna becomes the reference point for the house > > > division. Let us take an example: Say in a Rasi chart with > > > Simha > > > Lagna, Guru is in Libra and in the bhava chart Guru is in > > > Virgo. > > > How to interpret the indications of Guru? The answer that > > > seems > === message truncated === Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com Cheap talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 Dear Shiv, Just a very quick word as I have to leave the computer for awhile...may, or may not get back to it until Monday...note I'm on Perth time (Australia). I just wanted to acknowledge your post and let you know that (unfortunately) some posts do get lost amidst an active discussion. Hopefully someone can take some time out to look at your query...otherwise you can remind me when I get back on line :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "theblisswithin" <theblisswithin > <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:52 AM Re: Bhava Chart or Rasi Chart respected members, wendyji, bhaskarji and others, this is a very interesting discussion. May i ask the learned members, if it's ok to bring as example to test the applicational side of this debate about bhava kundali's significance. In my bhava kundali ketu goes from 12th to 1st, sun from 5th to 4th, rahu from 7th to 6th and Jupiter from 8th to 7th. In rasi they are in 1st, 5th, 7th and 8th respectively. What might be the significance of these, if at all. I can mention the birth details if members are interested. Major points of interest for me are the present running Sun mahadasha and Jupiter antar. Sorry for intruding into this thread with this once again. If I had any real understanding of Jyotish, I would have rather contributed with that ) best regards shiv jyotish-vidya, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Rajat, > > // Other members could (but probably won't) share their own insights > on this.// > > Mrs.Wendy tempts me by above to answer this question though my > views may not be accepted by many here. > > Normal Lagna Kundli is actually known as Khokha Kundli. Khokha > means translated into English, a Carton.(Wooden on paper Corrugated). > Many times the Khokha Kundli apparently shows many great promises by > planets in exaltations, many great Yogas, superb Dhana Yogas or > Rajgogas, but in fact the native lives a life of misery in real life. > The answer lies in the BhavaChalit Kundli. The Khokha Kundli may be > compared to a Carton showing on top cover that it contains Alphonso > Mangoes, but on deep observation (Bhava Chalit) it is known that > there may not be any Alphonso mangoes at all, but on the contrary > sour unripe mangoes which are of no use and unpalatable. > > An example- > Mars Rahu in Leo in Lagna Kundli in Ascendant shows a great > Time when Mars or Rahu Dasha will come in natives life. As Mars is > yogkaraka for Leo Lagna and Rahu being node combined with a YogKaraka > and placed in Kendra, too would give superb results positive in its > MahaDasha.But suppose one checks Bhava Chalit he may find that > Mars and Rahu have gone in the 12th cusp of the horoscope. > Now after viewing this position one can say that all the Great > Yogas one could have reported after seeing apparent Janma Kundli, now > stand defunct with this placement in 12th Cusp. Because Mars and Rahu > now having gone in 12th would on the contrary create problems in > domestic life, in property matters, happiness in family,mother > suffering, education breakdowns, No naterial progress,career > disruptions, and lots of money going away through many sources. > So in Predictive astrology we, were taught as students to always > predict from the Bhava Chalit and not from the normal Kundli, and > normal Kundli may only be seen for judging aspects. > > Anyway these are my views and one may correct these or not take > them as authentic, whatever one wishes. > > regards, > Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Dear Krishna, //Looks like with your vast knowledge, you will be able to find perfect reasoning for events in my case as well, as always!// It's really not vast at all, believe me! My firm belief is that we must understanding the basics in order to understand the scriptures..without this foundation (in the basics) sutras tend to be memorised rather than understood. There are many, I'm sure, who can recite more sutras than I can. //For me, the best way to learn is to understand my own chart first as I can relate to events much better.// If we can't understand our own horoscope how on earth can we ever hope to understand others? Surely this is the first step! //- Post Graduation: from August 1980 to July 1982// You were running dasa of RA-MA-RA at commencement of your post graduation studies. Rahu occupies 2nd house of education in nakshatra of YogaKaraka Mars. I don't know if this was done on campus or what. However, Rahu transiting 12th would suggest being on campus. 9th = higher education, 12th (4th from 9th) = educational institution (campus). //- Joined first job: 22-Jul-1982// Dasa JU-JU-KE: Consider the transits at time i.e. Jupiter transiting natal position in nakshatra of Rahu, Ketu transiting Sagittarius in nakshatra of Venus...both VE/RA transit 11th house of gains/opportunities/long-term goals etc.. Both 11th and 3rd signify our desires (short-term and long-term). I'm sure if you look closely enough you'll be able to recognise all the planetary influences (working together at this time to fulfil your destiny). I'm just skimming across the surface for now as I'm feeling a little 'brain dead' at the moment...too much sweet/fatty food yesterday has sent my sugar levels off the scale...my own fault so I have no right to complain. //- Married on 16-May-1984// Dasa JU-SA-MA: 7th lord Saturn and YogaKaraka Mars were transiting natal Jupiter (in sign of Venus). Transit Jupiter in nakshatra of Venus in 5th (11th from 7th)... In this same way, you might care to continue with the rest of the events you've given. Understanding dawns much quicker if we do the work ourselves, don't you agree :-) Put forward your findings and we can discuss them, if you wish. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998 > <jyotish-vidya> Friday, November 10, 2006 10:06 PM Re: Re: Bhava Chart or Rasi Chart Dear Wendy, Looks like with your vast knowledge, you will be able to find perfect reasoning for events in my case as well, as always! Thanks a lot for taking time to look at my chart. I am very keen to understand your way of looking at my chart. For me, the best way to learn is to understand my own chart first as I can relate to events much better. I have no doubt that this will give me a great lesson in Astrology. As suggested, I am giving some important dates here: - Post Graduation: from August 1980 to July 1982 - Joined first job: 22-Jul-1982 - Married on 16-May-1984 - First daughter: 15-Jul-1985 - First trip abroad: 1-Feb-1986 (three month trip) - Lived in Switzerland with family from 7-Oct-1987 to Oct 1990 - Second daughetr: 11-Jan-1990 - Bought a plot in Dec. 1990 at Bangalore - Built my own house and moved into it on 28-Oct-1993 - Second job: 26-Apr-1995 - Promoted two levels up with significant salary jump (salary actually was DOUBLED!): New position was given in Sep. 1995, however, new salary was counted from 1-Jan-1996 onwards. - Reached highest level in my career (Director) in Oct 1998 (note during Saade Saati! and Sani MD) - Father expired around midnight of 5-May-2000 - Quit my job on my own to focus on my hobbies (I was also unhappy as I was stagnating, 6 years in the same role). Last working day was 17-Dec-2004. - My first poetry collection was published on 21-Oct-2006 after almsot one year of delay as I had to wait for a famous writer to write the 'Foreword' for my book and also because of the busy publisher. Thanks in advance, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 dear wendyji, thanks for your kind offer. Hope to hear from you about this whenever you find time. Best Regards Shiv jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shiv, > Just a very quick word as I have to leave the computer for awhile...may, or > may not get back to it until Monday...note I'm on Perth time (Australia). I > just wanted to acknowledge your post and let you know that (unfortunately) > some posts do get lost amidst an active discussion. Hopefully someone can > take some time out to look at your query...otherwise you can remind me when > I get back on line :-) > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > "theblisswithin" <theblisswithin > <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:52 AM > Re: Bhava Chart or Rasi Chart > > > respected members, wendyji, bhaskarji and others, > this is a very interesting discussion. > May i ask the learned members, if it's ok to bring as example to test > the applicational side of this debate about bhava kundali's > significance. In my bhava kundali ketu goes from 12th to 1st, sun from > 5th to 4th, rahu from 7th to 6th and Jupiter from 8th to 7th. > > In rasi they are in 1st, 5th, 7th and 8th respectively. > What might be the significance of these, if at all. > I can mention the birth details if members are interested. > Major points of interest for me are the present running Sun mahadasha > and Jupiter antar. Sorry for intruding into this thread with this once > again. If I had any real understanding of Jyotish, I would have rather > contributed with that ) > > best regards > shiv > > jyotish-vidya, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Rajat, > > > > // Other members could (but probably won't) share their own insights > > on this.// > > > > Mrs.Wendy tempts me by above to answer this question though my > > views may not be accepted by many here. > > > > Normal Lagna Kundli is actually known as Khokha Kundli. Khokha > > means translated into English, a Carton.(Wooden on paper Corrugated). > > Many times the Khokha Kundli apparently shows many great promises by > > planets in exaltations, many great Yogas, superb Dhana Yogas or > > Rajgogas, but in fact the native lives a life of misery in real life. > > The answer lies in the BhavaChalit Kundli. The Khokha Kundli may be > > compared to a Carton showing on top cover that it contains Alphonso > > Mangoes, but on deep observation (Bhava Chalit) it is known that > > there may not be any Alphonso mangoes at all, but on the contrary > > sour unripe mangoes which are of no use and unpalatable. > > > > An example- > > Mars Rahu in Leo in Lagna Kundli in Ascendant shows a great > > Time when Mars or Rahu Dasha will come in natives life. As Mars is > > yogkaraka for Leo Lagna and Rahu being node combined with a YogKaraka > > and placed in Kendra, too would give superb results positive in its > > MahaDasha.But suppose one checks Bhava Chalit he may find that > > Mars and Rahu have gone in the 12th cusp of the horoscope. > > Now after viewing this position one can say that all the Great > > Yogas one could have reported after seeing apparent Janma Kundli, now > > stand defunct with this placement in 12th Cusp. Because Mars and Rahu > > now having gone in 12th would on the contrary create problems in > > domestic life, in property matters, happiness in family,mother > > suffering, education breakdowns, No naterial progress,career > > disruptions, and lots of money going away through many sources. > > So in Predictive astrology we, were taught as students to always > > predict from the Bhava Chalit and not from the normal Kundli, and > > normal Kundli may only be seen for judging aspects. > > > > Anyway these are my views and one may correct these or not take > > them as authentic, whatever one wishes. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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