Intelligence A new exploration must begin!

[Guest guest]

Dear Forum Members (Jyotishis and students),

 

This could end up being a general thread, unless you put energy into

it, energy and light of your individual and collective intellect!

 

One of the many things that parents ask of Jyotishis is: Is my child

intelligent? Jyotishis oblige as always, when they are asked about

life, marriage, jobs, spiritual enlightenment, moksha prapti,

renunciation, ishta devta, windfalls, court cases, foreign travels,

education etc etc.

 

Intelligence is, some would say, so easy and so obvious that it need

not even be discussed [shielding myself preventatively from

accusations of wasting forum time and attention with yet another

armchair thread, yet another diverticulum and diversion -- or not!]!

 

But even someone of the caliber of Einstein was entirely missed by

professional assessors of intellect and promise: School teachers!

Going through the large numbers of children of all kinds of levels,

potentials and if they really care -- follow-up (Jyotishi's dream of

life!), one would expect that they would be the last to miss true

brilliance and promise and gift!

 

Einstein's case was not the only one!

 

Do jyotishis have a better diagnostic tool than professional

teachers? BUT first, let us talk about what this faculty of

INTELLIGENCE truly is?

 

WHAT IS IT? TEACHERS, JYOTISHIS, PARENTS, SCIENTISTS?? Please Explain!

 

Rohiniranjan (RR)

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Please do visit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence#Definitions_of_intelligence

 

, "Rohiniranjan"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Dear Forum Members (Jyotishis and students),

>

> This could end up being a general thread, unless you put energy

into

> it, energy and light of your individual and collective intellect!

>

> One of the many things that parents ask of Jyotishis is: Is my

child

> intelligent? Jyotishis oblige as always, when they are asked about

> life, marriage, jobs, spiritual enlightenment, moksha prapti,

> renunciation, ishta devta, windfalls, court cases, foreign travels,

> education etc etc.

>

> Intelligence is, some would say, so easy and so obvious that it

need

> not even be discussed [shielding myself preventatively from

> accusations of wasting forum time and attention with yet another

> armchair thread, yet another diverticulum and diversion -- or not!]!

>

> But even someone of the caliber of Einstein was entirely missed by

> professional assessors of intellect and promise: School teachers!

> Going through the large numbers of children of all kinds of levels,

> potentials and if they really care -- follow-up (Jyotishi's dream

of

> life!), one would expect that they would be the last to miss true

> brilliance and promise and gift!

>

> Einstein's case was not the only one!

>

> Do jyotishis have a better diagnostic tool than professional

> teachers? BUT first, let us talk about what this faculty of

> INTELLIGENCE truly is?

>

> WHAT IS IT? TEACHERS, JYOTISHIS, PARENTS, SCIENTISTS?? Please

Explain!

>

> Rohiniranjan (RR)

>

[Guest guest]

Ranjanda,

Definitions of Intelligence abound. If I take it as Learning,

adapting and utilising ability,even then almost the entire navagrahas

get involved in determing intelligence of a native. This question of

yours therefore no simple answers.

Time has to be factored in also. Intelligence is also a function of

age,energy levels , ambience and oppurtunity levels.

A Primary school child may be brilliant almost genius and at the

secondary school level most ordinary, good at college and helpless in

applying it in life.

rishi

 

 

 

, "Rohiniranjan"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Kumar ji,

>

> I am sorry but I could not understand the first paragraph in your

> posting.

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> > RRji,

> > sure it is a armchair topic than astro ashutosh has warned the

> TITANIC POSTER, so we need to make sure we r in line mix astro work

> with non astro. choice is there and sword is also there.

> >

> > I rarely venture into threads this one for now.

> >

> > intelligence is of two kinds at least for current world

> >

> > one is on the academic, professional [work or sports, arts]

> spiritual etc

> > OTHER IS SURVIVAL, survival instincts has only lead man to come

> this far and also go back to some primitive and base ways again.

> >

> > to survive now At any cost is all we need to read in any chart

how

> many cases are we seeing I want to help people in their academic,

> pursuits or professional or scientific purists after I have reached

> some state, I can only see one here Raghunatha Rao Nemani here

doing

> this. who has offered to share his resources from books to money

for

> anyone who needs it and also offered free books for anyone needing

> them and also sponsoring any translation work as well.

> >

> > in the larger world people like Narayana Murthy-Infosys, Bill

> gates, Diana, Time Warner etc have shared their wealth for others

but

> we don't get to see many. we see politicians officials, our

> administrators in a competition in looting more than others they

> know. again survival instincts as their rivals, peers whatever will

> overtake them.

> >

> > regards/prashant

> >

> >

> > so

> > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@>

> wrote: Dear Forum Members

(Jyotishis

> and students),

> >

> > This could end up being a general thread, unless you put energy

> into

> > it, energy and light of your individual and collective intellect!

> >

> > One of the many things that parents ask of Jyotishis is: Is my

> child

> > intelligent? Jyotishis oblige as always, when they are asked

about

> > life, marriage, jobs, spiritual enlightenment, moksha prapti,

> > renunciation, ishta devta, windfalls, court cases, foreign

> travels,

> > education etc etc.

> >

> > Intelligence is, some would say, so easy and so obvious that it

> need

> > not even be discussed [shielding myself preventatively from

> > accusations of wasting forum time and attention with yet another

> > armchair thread, yet another diverticulum and diversion -- or

> not!]!

> >

> > But even someone of the caliber of Einstein was entirely missed

by

> > professional assessors of intellect and promise: School

teachers!

> > Going through the large numbers of children of all kinds of

> levels,

> > potentials and if they really care -- follow-up (Jyotishi's

dream

> of

> > life!), one would expect that they would be the last to miss

true

> > brilliance and promise and gift!

> >

> > Einstein's case was not the only one!

> >

> > Do jyotishis have a better diagnostic tool than professional

> > teachers? BUT first, let us talk about what this faculty of

> > INTELLIGENCE truly is?

> >

> > WHAT IS IT? TEACHERS, JYOTISHIS, PARENTS, SCIENTISTS?? Please

> Explain!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan (RR)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Prashantkumar G B

> >

> > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

 

> group but

> > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or

phone.

> > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also

> >

> > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@

> > 09840051861

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Sponsored Link

> >

> > Get an Online or Campus degree - Associate's, Bachelor's, or

> Master's - in less than one year.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Then in the final analysis, the child in this illustration has not

turned out to be intelligent!

 

Intelligence is not about promise, it is about outcome and results!

 

Like Einstein, like Darwin, like Churchill, like Bill Gates!

 

Yes?

 

RR

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Ranjanda,

> Definitions of Intelligence abound. If I take it as Learning,

> adapting and utilising ability,even then almost the entire

navagrahas

> get involved in determing intelligence of a native. This question

of

> yours therefore no simple answers.

> Time has to be factored in also. Intelligence is also a function of

> age,energy levels , ambience and oppurtunity levels.

> A Primary school child may be brilliant almost genius and at the

> secondary school level most ordinary, good at college and helpless

in

> applying it in life.

> rishi

>

>

>

> , "Rohiniranjan"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Kumar ji,

> >

> > I am sorry but I could not understand the first paragraph in your

> > posting.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RRji,

> > > sure it is a armchair topic than astro ashutosh has warned the

> > TITANIC POSTER, so we need to make sure we r in line mix astro

work

> > with non astro. choice is there and sword is also there.

> > >

> > > I rarely venture into threads this one for now.

> > >

> > > intelligence is of two kinds at least for current world

> > >

> > > one is on the academic, professional [work or sports, arts]

> > spiritual etc

> > > OTHER IS SURVIVAL, survival instincts has only lead man to come

> > this far and also go back to some primitive and base ways again.

> > >

> > > to survive now At any cost is all we need to read in any chart

> how

> > many cases are we seeing I want to help people in their academic,

> > pursuits or professional or scientific purists after I have

reached

> > some state, I can only see one here Raghunatha Rao Nemani here

> doing

> > this. who has offered to share his resources from books to money

> for

> > anyone who needs it and also offered free books for anyone

needing

> > them and also sponsoring any translation work as well.

> > >

> > > in the larger world people like Narayana Murthy-Infosys, Bill

> > gates, Diana, Time Warner etc have shared their wealth for others

> but

> > we don't get to see many. we see politicians officials, our

> > administrators in a competition in looting more than others they

> > know. again survival instincts as their rivals, peers whatever

will

> > overtake them.

> > >

> > > regards/prashant

> > >

> > >

> > > so

> > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@>

> > wrote: Dear Forum Members

> (Jyotishis

> > and students),

> > >

> > > This could end up being a general thread, unless you put

energy

> > into

> > > it, energy and light of your individual and collective

intellect!

> > >

> > > One of the many things that parents ask of Jyotishis is: Is my

> > child

> > > intelligent? Jyotishis oblige as always, when they are asked

> about

> > > life, marriage, jobs, spiritual enlightenment, moksha prapti,

> > > renunciation, ishta devta, windfalls, court cases, foreign

> > travels,

> > > education etc etc.

> > >

> > > Intelligence is, some would say, so easy and so obvious that

it

> > need

> > > not even be discussed [shielding myself preventatively from

> > > accusations of wasting forum time and attention with yet

another

> > > armchair thread, yet another diverticulum and diversion -- or

> > not!]!

> > >

> > > But even someone of the caliber of Einstein was entirely

missed

> by

> > > professional assessors of intellect and promise: School

> teachers!

> > > Going through the large numbers of children of all kinds of

> > levels,

> > > potentials and if they really care -- follow-up (Jyotishi's

> dream

> > of

> > > life!), one would expect that they would be the last to miss

> true

> > > brilliance and promise and gift!

> > >

> > > Einstein's case was not the only one!

> > >

> > > Do jyotishis have a better diagnostic tool than professional

> > > teachers? BUT first, let us talk about what this faculty of

> > > INTELLIGENCE truly is?

> > >

> > > WHAT IS IT? TEACHERS, JYOTISHIS, PARENTS, SCIENTISTS?? Please

> > Explain!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan (RR)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Prashantkumar G B

> > >

> > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

>

> > group but

> > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or

> phone.

> > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID also

> > >

> > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@

> > > 09840051861

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sponsored Link

> > >

> > > Get an Online or Campus degree - Associate's, Bachelor's, or

> > Master's - in less than one year.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

But we often come across people about whom we say, that he or she

is very intelligent but does not apply it constructively.

 

Is that not intelligence then?

 

Regards,

Nandini.

 

, "Rohiniranjan"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Then in the final analysis, the child in this illustration has not

> turned out to be intelligent!

>

> Intelligence is not about promise, it is about outcome and results!

>

> Like Einstein, like Darwin, like Churchill, like Bill Gates!

>

> Yes?

>

> RR

>

> , "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > Ranjanda,

> > Definitions of Intelligence abound. If I take it as Learning,

> > adapting and utilising ability,even then almost the entire

> navagrahas

> > get involved in determing intelligence of a native. This

question

> of

> > yours therefore no simple answers.

> > Time has to be factored in also. Intelligence is also a function

of

> > age,energy levels , ambience and oppurtunity levels.

> > A Primary school child may be brilliant almost genius and at

the

> > secondary school level most ordinary, good at college and

helpless

> in

> > applying it in life.

> > rishi

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Rohiniranjan"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Kumar ji,

> > >

> > > I am sorry but I could not understand the first paragraph in

your

> > > posting.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RRji,

> > > > sure it is a armchair topic than astro ashutosh has warned

the

> > > TITANIC POSTER, so we need to make sure we r in line mix astro

> work

> > > with non astro. choice is there and sword is also there.

> > > >

> > > > I rarely venture into threads this one for now.

> > > >

> > > > intelligence is of two kinds at least for current world

> > > >

> > > > one is on the academic, professional [work or sports, arts]

> > > spiritual etc

> > > > OTHER IS SURVIVAL, survival instincts has only lead man to

come

> > > this far and also go back to some primitive and base ways

again.

> > > >

> > > > to survive now At any cost is all we need to read in any

chart

> > how

> > > many cases are we seeing I want to help people in their

academic,

> > > pursuits or professional or scientific purists after I have

> reached

> > > some state, I can only see one here Raghunatha Rao Nemani here

> > doing

> > > this. who has offered to share his resources from books to

money

> > for

> > > anyone who needs it and also offered free books for anyone

> needing

> > > them and also sponsoring any translation work as well.

> > > >

> > > > in the larger world people like Narayana Murthy-Infosys,

Bill

> > > gates, Diana, Time Warner etc have shared their wealth for

others

> > but

> > > we don't get to see many. we see politicians officials, our

> > > administrators in a competition in looting more than others

they

> > > know. again survival instincts as their rivals, peers whatever

> will

> > > overtake them.

> > > >

> > > > regards/prashant

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > so

> > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@>

> > > wrote: Dear Forum Members

> > (Jyotishis

> > > and students),

> > > >

> > > > This could end up being a general thread, unless you put

> energy

> > > into

> > > > it, energy and light of your individual and collective

> intellect!

> > > >

> > > > One of the many things that parents ask of Jyotishis is: Is

my

> > > child

> > > > intelligent? Jyotishis oblige as always, when they are

asked

> > about

> > > > life, marriage, jobs, spiritual enlightenment, moksha

prapti,

> > > > renunciation, ishta devta, windfalls, court cases, foreign

> > > travels,

> > > > education etc etc.

> > > >

> > > > Intelligence is, some would say, so easy and so obvious

that

> it

> > > need

> > > > not even be discussed [shielding myself preventatively from

> > > > accusations of wasting forum time and attention with yet

> another

> > > > armchair thread, yet another diverticulum and diversion --

or

> > > not!]!

> > > >

> > > > But even someone of the caliber of Einstein was entirely

> missed

> > by

> > > > professional assessors of intellect and promise: School

> > teachers!

> > > > Going through the large numbers of children of all kinds of

> > > levels,

> > > > potentials and if they really care -- follow-up (Jyotishi's

> > dream

> > > of

> > > > life!), one would expect that they would be the last to

miss

> > true

> > > > brilliance and promise and gift!

> > > >

> > > > Einstein's case was not the only one!

> > > >

> > > > Do jyotishis have a better diagnostic tool than

professional

> > > > teachers? BUT first, let us talk about what this faculty of

> > > > INTELLIGENCE truly is?

> > > >

> > > > WHAT IS IT? TEACHERS, JYOTISHIS, PARENTS, SCIENTISTS??

Please

> > > Explain!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan (RR)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Prashantkumar G B

> > > >

> > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

> >

> > > group but

> > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or

> > phone.

> > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID

also

> > > >

> > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@

> > > > 09840051861

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sponsored Link

> > > >

> > > > Get an Online or Campus degree - Associate's, Bachelor's, or

> > > Master's - in less than one year.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Nandini ji,

 

Intelligence <<unapplied>> simply is a promise that never really was

confirmed and therefore never existed and therefore invalidated

thusly! Parents and loved ones have been *imagining* and hoping

things like that for as long as *we* animals began to walk on our two

feet following the Celestine injection of the 'HOPE serum'!

 

Intelligence, as opposed to wisdom, is only about worldly reality!

Just as Jyotish!! Both are like the ladder that gets us into the

airplane that will then take us to far-off destinations! The ladder

would remain behind! As Jyotish should!! Enough said (?)

 

Wisdom is different! I would rather not get into that because I hate

flame wars!

 

RR

 

, "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo

wrote:

>

>

> But we often come across people about whom we say, that he or she

> is very intelligent but does not apply it constructively.

>

> Is that not intelligence then?

>

> Regards,

> Nandini.

>

> , "Rohiniranjan"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Then in the final analysis, the child in this illustration has

not

> > turned out to be intelligent!

> >

> > Intelligence is not about promise, it is about outcome and

results!

> >

> > Like Einstein, like Darwin, like Churchill, like Bill Gates!

> >

> > Yes?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "rishi_2000in"

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Ranjanda,

> > > Definitions of Intelligence abound. If I take it as Learning,

> > > adapting and utilising ability,even then almost the entire

> > navagrahas

> > > get involved in determing intelligence of a native. This

> question

> > of

> > > yours therefore no simple answers.

> > > Time has to be factored in also. Intelligence is also a

function

> of

> > > age,energy levels , ambience and oppurtunity levels.

> > > A Primary school child may be brilliant almost genius and at

> the

> > > secondary school level most ordinary, good at college and

> helpless

> > in

> > > applying it in life.

> > > rishi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Rohiniranjan"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Kumar ji,

> > > >

> > > > I am sorry but I could not understand the first paragraph in

> your

> > > > posting.

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > RRji,

> > > > > sure it is a armchair topic than astro ashutosh has warned

> the

> > > > TITANIC POSTER, so we need to make sure we r in line mix

astro

> > work

> > > > with non astro. choice is there and sword is also there.

> > > > >

> > > > > I rarely venture into threads this one for now.

> > > > >

> > > > > intelligence is of two kinds at least for current world

> > > > >

> > > > > one is on the academic, professional [work or sports, arts]

> > > > spiritual etc

> > > > > OTHER IS SURVIVAL, survival instincts has only lead man to

> come

> > > > this far and also go back to some primitive and base ways

> again.

> > > > >

> > > > > to survive now At any cost is all we need to read in any

> chart

> > > how

> > > > many cases are we seeing I want to help people in their

> academic,

> > > > pursuits or professional or scientific purists after I have

> > reached

> > > > some state, I can only see one here Raghunatha Rao Nemani

here

> > > doing

> > > > this. who has offered to share his resources from books to

> money

> > > for

> > > > anyone who needs it and also offered free books for anyone

> > needing

> > > > them and also sponsoring any translation work as well.

> > > > >

> > > > > in the larger world people like Narayana Murthy-Infosys,

> Bill

> > > > gates, Diana, Time Warner etc have shared their wealth for

> others

> > > but

> > > > we don't get to see many. we see politicians officials, our

> > > > administrators in a competition in looting more than others

> they

> > > > know. again survival instincts as their rivals, peers

whatever

> > will

> > > > overtake them.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards/prashant

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > so

> > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > wrote: Dear Forum Members

> > > (Jyotishis

> > > > and students),

> > > > >

> > > > > This could end up being a general thread, unless you put

> > energy

> > > > into

> > > > > it, energy and light of your individual and collective

> > intellect!

> > > > >

> > > > > One of the many things that parents ask of Jyotishis is:

Is

> my

> > > > child

> > > > > intelligent? Jyotishis oblige as always, when they are

> asked

> > > about

> > > > > life, marriage, jobs, spiritual enlightenment, moksha

> prapti,

> > > > > renunciation, ishta devta, windfalls, court cases, foreign

> > > > travels,

> > > > > education etc etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Intelligence is, some would say, so easy and so obvious

> that

> > it

> > > > need

> > > > > not even be discussed [shielding myself preventatively

from

> > > > > accusations of wasting forum time and attention with yet

> > another

> > > > > armchair thread, yet another diverticulum and diversion --

> or

> > > > not!]!

> > > > >

> > > > > But even someone of the caliber of Einstein was entirely

> > missed

> > > by

> > > > > professional assessors of intellect and promise: School

> > > teachers!

> > > > > Going through the large numbers of children of all kinds

of

> > > > levels,

> > > > > potentials and if they really care -- follow-up

(Jyotishi's

> > > dream

> > > > of

> > > > > life!), one would expect that they would be the last to

> miss

> > > true

> > > > > brilliance and promise and gift!

> > > > >

> > > > > Einstein's case was not the only one!

> > > > >

> > > > > Do jyotishis have a better diagnostic tool than

> professional

> > > > > teachers? BUT first, let us talk about what this faculty

of

> > > > > INTELLIGENCE truly is?

> > > > >

> > > > > WHAT IS IT? TEACHERS, JYOTISHIS, PARENTS, SCIENTISTS??

> Please

> > > > Explain!

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan (RR)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Prashantkumar G B

> > > > >

> > > > > -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

> > >

> > > > group but

> > > > > off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail

or

> > > phone.

> > > > > Please fix times for this in advance -*- and Pay Pal ID

> also

> > > > >

> > > > > Personal ID astro.prashantkumar@

> > > > > 09840051861

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sponsored Link

> > > > >

> > > > > Get an Online or Campus degree - Associate's, Bachelor's,

or

> > > > Master's - in less than one year.

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Ranjanda,

Success or fame and intelligence may not always go

together. For the same Bill Gates born now wouldnot

find that window which he got in his time.

Churchill may have been equally intelligent but for

Hitler, he would come across as a person who presided

over the end of the Raj.

In my experiences of life, I have seen brilliant

people fade away without a song. That promise is the

spark of intelligence which needs to be ignited to a

flame for a person to reach the dizzy heights of the

some of the people you mentioned.

In this real world which breeds mediocrity, often a

cup of poison is offered to the intelligent!

How often have excelent scientific research has seen a

quite burial only for the world to realise it years

later or not to realise it later too.

rishi

 

--- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

> Dear Nandini ji,

>

> Intelligence <<unapplied>> simply is a promise that

> never really was

> confirmed and therefore never existed and therefore

> invalidated

> thusly! Parents and loved ones have been *imagining*

> and hoping

> things like that for as long as *we* animals began

> to walk on our two

> feet following the Celestine injection of the 'HOPE

> serum'!

>

> Intelligence, as opposed to wisdom, is only about

> worldly reality!

> Just as Jyotish!! Both are like the ladder that gets

> us into the

> airplane that will then take us to far-off

> destinations! The ladder

> would remain behind! As Jyotish should!! Enough said

> (?)

>

> Wisdom is different! I would rather not get into

> that because I hate

> flame wars!

>

> RR

>

> , "kakan_leo"

> <kakan_leo

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > But we often come across people about whom we say,

> that he or she

> > is very intelligent but does not apply it

> constructively.

> >

> > Is that not intelligence then?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Nandini.

> >

> > ,

> "Rohiniranjan"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Then in the final analysis, the child in this

> illustration has

> not

> > > turned out to be intelligent!

> > >

> > > Intelligence is not about promise, it is about

> outcome and

> results!

> > >

> > > Like Einstein, like Darwin, like Churchill, like

> Bill Gates!

> > >

> > > Yes?

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > ,

> "rishi_2000in"

> > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Ranjanda,

> > > > Definitions of Intelligence abound. If I take

> it as Learning,

> > > > adapting and utilising ability,even then

> almost the entire

> > > navagrahas

> > > > get involved in determing intelligence of a

> native. This

> > question

> > > of

> > > > yours therefore no simple answers.

> > > > Time has to be factored in also. Intelligence

> is also a

> function

> > of

> > > > age,energy levels , ambience and oppurtunity

> levels.

> > > > A Primary school child may be brilliant

> almost genius and at

> > the

> > > > secondary school level most ordinary, good at

> college and

> > helpless

> > > in

> > > > applying it in life.

> > > > rishi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ,

> "Rohiniranjan"

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Kumar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sorry but I could not understand the

> first paragraph in

> > your

> > > > > posting.

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RRji,

> > > > > > sure it is a armchair topic than astro

> ashutosh has warned

> > the

> > > > > TITANIC POSTER, so we need to make sure we r

> in line mix

> astro

> > > work

> > > > > with non astro. choice is there and sword is

> also there.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I rarely venture into threads this one for

> now.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > intelligence is of two kinds at least for

> current world

> > > > > >

> > > > > > one is on the academic, professional [work

> or sports, arts]

> > > > > spiritual etc

> > > > > > OTHER IS SURVIVAL, survival instincts has

> only lead man to

> > come

> > > > > this far and also go back to some primitive

> and base ways

> > again.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > to survive now At any cost is all we need

> to read in any

> > chart

> > > > how

> > > > > many cases are we seeing I want to help

> people in their

> > academic,

> > > > > pursuits or professional or scientific

> purists after I have

> > > reached

> > > > > some state, I can only see one here

> Raghunatha Rao Nemani

> here

> > > > doing

> > > > > this. who has offered to share his resources

> from books to

> > money

> > > > for

> > > > > anyone who needs it and also offered free

> books for anyone

> > > needing

> > > > > them and also sponsoring any translation

> work as well.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in the larger world people like Narayana

> Murthy-Infosys,

> > Bill

> > > > > gates, Diana, Time Warner etc have shared

> their wealth for

> > others

> > > > but

> > > > > we don't get to see many. we see politicians

> officials, our

> > > > > administrators in a competition in looting

> more than others

> > they

> > > > > know. again survival instincts as their

> rivals, peers

> whatever

> > > will

> > > > > overtake them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards/prashant

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > wrote: Dear

> Forum Members

> > > > (Jyotishis

> > > > > and students),

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This could end up being a general thread,

> unless you put

> > > energy

> > > > > into

> > > > > > it, energy and light of your individual

> and collective

> > > intellect!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One of the many things that parents ask

> of

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Dear wise friend,

 

I *did* study your forum message!

 

Socrates was wise! But perhaps not 'intelligent' for his times!

 

Great illustration, though! Thanks!!

 

Of how wisdom lives on almost immortal some would say, while

<worldly> intelligence dies? Oh say by Alzheimers disease or the

mussel poisoning by domoic acid in Prince Edward Island in the late

eighties?

 

"SUCCESS" -- now that is a whole another dimension that you

introduced into this discussion!

 

I shall prudently and sheepishly shy away from even going there --

BUT you sound sure. Please do elaborate and elucidate more...

, rishi shukla

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Ranjanda,

> Success or fame and intelligence may not always go

> together. For the same Bill Gates born now wouldnot

> find that window which he got in his time.

> Churchill may have been equally intelligent but for

> Hitler, he would come across as a person who presided

> over the end of the Raj.

> In my experiences of life, I have seen brilliant

> people fade away without a song. That promise is the

> spark of intelligence which needs to be ignited to a

> flame for a person to reach the dizzy heights of the

> some of the people you mentioned.

> In this real world which breeds mediocrity, often a

> cup of poison is offered to the intelligent!

> How often have excelent scientific research has seen a

> quite burial only for the world to realise it years

> later or not to realise it later too.

> rishi

>

> --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> > Dear Nandini ji,

> >

> > Intelligence <<unapplied>> simply is a promise that

> > never really was

> > confirmed and therefore never existed and therefore

> > invalidated

> > thusly! Parents and loved ones have been *imagining*

> > and hoping

> > things like that for as long as *we* animals began

> > to walk on our two

> > feet following the Celestine injection of the 'HOPE

> > serum'!

> >

> > Intelligence, as opposed to wisdom, is only about

> > worldly reality!

> > Just as Jyotish!! Both are like the ladder that gets

> > us into the

> > airplane that will then take us to far-off

> > destinations! The ladder

> > would remain behind! As Jyotish should!! Enough said

> > (?)

> >

> > Wisdom is different! I would rather not get into

> > that because I hate

> > flame wars!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "kakan_leo"

> > <kakan_leo@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > But we often come across people about whom we say,

> > that he or she

> > > is very intelligent but does not apply it

> > constructively.

> > >

> > > Is that not intelligence then?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Nandini.

> > >

> > > ,

> > "Rohiniranjan"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Then in the final analysis, the child in this

> > illustration has

> > not

> > > > turned out to be intelligent!

> > > >

> > > > Intelligence is not about promise, it is about

> > outcome and

> > results!

> > > >

> > > > Like Einstein, like Darwin, like Churchill, like

> > Bill Gates!

> > > >

> > > > Yes?

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > "rishi_2000in"

> > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Ranjanda,

> > > > > Definitions of Intelligence abound. If I take

> > it as Learning,

> > > > > adapting and utilising ability,even then

> > almost the entire

> > > > navagrahas

> > > > > get involved in determing intelligence of a

> > native. This

> > > question

> > > > of

> > > > > yours therefore no simple answers.

> > > > > Time has to be factored in also. Intelligence

> > is also a

> > function

> > > of

> > > > > age,energy levels , ambience and oppurtunity

> > levels.

> > > > > A Primary school child may be brilliant

> > almost genius and at

> > > the

> > > > > secondary school level most ordinary, good at

> > college and

> > > helpless

> > > > in

> > > > > applying it in life.

> > > > > rishi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > "Rohiniranjan"

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kumar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sorry but I could not understand the

> > first paragraph in

> > > your

> > > > > > posting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> > Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RRji,

> > > > > > > sure it is a armchair topic than astro

> > ashutosh has warned

> > > the

> > > > > > TITANIC POSTER, so we need to make sure we r

> > in line mix

> > astro

> > > > work

> > > > > > with non astro. choice is there and sword is

> > also there.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I rarely venture into threads this one for

> > now.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > intelligence is of two kinds at least for

> > current world

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > one is on the academic, professional [work

> > or sports, arts]

> > > > > > spiritual etc

> > > > > > > OTHER IS SURVIVAL, survival instincts has

> > only lead man to

> > > come

> > > > > > this far and also go back to some primitive

> > and base ways

> > > again.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > to survive now At any cost is all we need

> > to read in any

> > > chart

> > > > > how

> > > > > > many cases are we seeing I want to help

> > people in their

> > > academic,

> > > > > > pursuits or professional or scientific

> > purists after I have

> > > > reached

> > > > > > some state, I can only see one here

> > Raghunatha Rao Nemani

> > here

> > > > > doing

> > > > > > this. who has offered to share his resources

> > from books to

> > > money

> > > > > for

> > > > > > anyone who needs it and also offered free

> > books for anyone

> > > > needing

> > > > > > them and also sponsoring any translation

> > work as well.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in the larger world people like Narayana

> > Murthy-Infosys,

> > > Bill

> > > > > > gates, Diana, Time Warner etc have shared

> > their wealth for

> > > others

> > > > > but

> > > > > > we don't get to see many. we see politicians

> > officials, our

> > > > > > administrators in a competition in looting

> > more than others

> > > they

> > > > > > know. again survival instincts as their

> > rivals, peers

> > whatever

> > > > will

> > > > > > overtake them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards/prashant

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > wrote: Dear

> > Forum Members

> > > > > (Jyotishis

> > > > > > and students),

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This could end up being a general thread,

> > unless you put

> > > > energy

> > > > > > into

> > > > > > > it, energy and light of your individual

> > and collective

> > > > intellect!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One of the many things that parents ask

> > of

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>

>

>

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RR ji,

 

Sorry for the insistence, but I am still searching. Please let me

know if you think we have discussed this enough.

 

The thread began with your mention of how one of the questions asked

by parents from a Jyotishi is "Is my child intelligent?" I hope to

be able to work my way to answering that question. That was just to

set the astrological context back.

 

Is intelligence then the ability to connect to THAT Source of

Knowledge, clear and unclogged? (Emphasis on 9th house?) Like a leaf

is able to tap into the energies of light to photosynthesize,

effortlessly. Nature is intelligent.

 

Or am I mixing it up with creativity now? (Emphasis on 5th house.)

Can a non-intelligent person be creative? Are all intelligent

persons creative?

 

Regards,

Nandini.

 

, "Rohiniranjan"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Dear wise friend,

>

> I *did* study your forum message!

>

> Socrates was wise! But perhaps not 'intelligent' for his times!

>

> Great illustration, though! Thanks!!

>

> Of how wisdom lives on almost immortal some would say, while

> <worldly> intelligence dies? Oh say by Alzheimers disease or the

> mussel poisoning by domoic acid in Prince Edward Island in the

late

> eighties?

>

> "SUCCESS" -- now that is a whole another dimension that you

> introduced into this discussion!

>

> I shall prudently and sheepishly shy away from even going there --

> BUT you sound sure. Please do elaborate and elucidate more...

> , rishi shukla

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > Ranjanda,

> > Success or fame and intelligence may not always go

> > together. For the same Bill Gates born now wouldnot

> > find that window which he got in his time.

> > Churchill may have been equally intelligent but for

> > Hitler, he would come across as a person who presided

> > over the end of the Raj.

> > In my experiences of life, I have seen brilliant

> > people fade away without a song. That promise is the

> > spark of intelligence which needs to be ignited to a

> > flame for a person to reach the dizzy heights of the

> > some of the people you mentioned.

> > In this real world which breeds mediocrity, often a

> > cup of poison is offered to the intelligent!

> > How often have excelent scientific research has seen a

> > quite burial only for the world to realise it years

> > later or not to realise it later too.

> > rishi

> >

> > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Nandini ji,

> > >

> > > Intelligence <<unapplied>> simply is a promise that

> > > never really was

> > > confirmed and therefore never existed and therefore

> > > invalidated

> > > thusly! Parents and loved ones have been *imagining*

> > > and hoping

> > > things like that for as long as *we* animals began

> > > to walk on our two

> > > feet following the Celestine injection of the 'HOPE

> > > serum'!

> > >

> > > Intelligence, as opposed to wisdom, is only about

> > > worldly reality!

> > > Just as Jyotish!! Both are like the ladder that gets

> > > us into the

> > > airplane that will then take us to far-off

> > > destinations! The ladder

> > > would remain behind! As Jyotish should!! Enough said

> > > (?)

> > >

> > > Wisdom is different! I would rather not get into

> > > that because I hate

> > > flame wars!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "kakan_leo"

> > > <kakan_leo@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > But we often come across people about whom we say,

> > > that he or she

> > > > is very intelligent but does not apply it

> > > constructively.

> > > >

> > > > Is that not intelligence then?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Nandini.

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > "Rohiniranjan"

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Then in the final analysis, the child in this

> > > illustration has

> > > not

> > > > > turned out to be intelligent!

> > > > >

> > > > > Intelligence is not about promise, it is about

> > > outcome and

> > > results!

> > > > >

> > > > > Like Einstein, like Darwin, like Churchill, like

> > > Bill Gates!

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes?

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ranjanda,

> > > > > > Definitions of Intelligence abound. If I take

> > > it as Learning,

> > > > > > adapting and utilising ability,even then

> > > almost the entire

> > > > > navagrahas

> > > > > > get involved in determing intelligence of a

> > > native. This

> > > > question

> > > > > of

> > > > > > yours therefore no simple answers.

> > > > > > Time has to be factored in also. Intelligence

> > > is also a

> > > function

> > > > of

> > > > > > age,energy levels , ambience and oppurtunity

> > > levels.

> > > > > > A Primary school child may be brilliant

> > > almost genius and at

> > > > the

> > > > > > secondary school level most ordinary, good at

> > > college and

> > > > helpless

> > > > > in

> > > > > > applying it in life.

> > > > > > rishi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> > > "Rohiniranjan"

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kumar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am sorry but I could not understand the

> > > first paragraph in

> > > > your

> > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,

> > > Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RRji,

> > > > > > > > sure it is a armchair topic than astro

> > > ashutosh has warned

> > > > the

> > > > > > > TITANIC POSTER, so we need to make sure we r

> > > in line mix

> > > astro

> > > > > work

> > > > > > > with non astro. choice is there and sword is

> > > also there.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I rarely venture into threads this one for

> > > now.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > intelligence is of two kinds at least for

> > > current world

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > one is on the academic, professional [work

> > > or sports, arts]

> > > > > > > spiritual etc

> > > > > > > > OTHER IS SURVIVAL, survival instincts has

> > > only lead man to

> > > > come

> > > > > > > this far and also go back to some primitive

> > > and base ways

> > > > again.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > to survive now At any cost is all we need

> > > to read in any

> > > > chart

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > many cases are we seeing I want to help

> > > people in their

> > > > academic,

> > > > > > > pursuits or professional or scientific

> > > purists after I have

> > > > > reached

> > > > > > > some state, I can only see one here

> > > Raghunatha Rao Nemani

> > > here

> > > > > > doing

> > > > > > > this. who has offered to share his resources

> > > from books to

> > > > money

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > anyone who needs it and also offered free

> > > books for anyone

> > > > > needing

> > > > > > > them and also sponsoring any translation

> > > work as well.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in the larger world people like Narayana

> > > Murthy-Infosys,

> > > > Bill

> > > > > > > gates, Diana, Time Warner etc have shared

> > > their wealth for

> > > > others

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > we don't get to see many. we see politicians

> > > officials, our

> > > > > > > administrators in a competition in looting

> > > more than others

> > > > they

> > > > > > > know. again survival instincts as their

> > > rivals, peers

> > > whatever

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > overtake them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards/prashant

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > > wrote: Dear

> > > Forum Members

> > > > > > (Jyotishis

> > > > > > > and students),

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This could end up being a general thread,

> > > unless you put

> > > > > energy

> > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > it, energy and light of your individual

> > > and collective

> > > > > intellect!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One of the many things that parents ask

> > > of

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Ranjanda,

The debate on differences, linguistically or otherwise, between

Intelligence, Wisdom and the definition of Success/fame would be

longdrawn and beyond the scope of this forum. I can only venture that

not all intelligent people are successful and conversely also not all

successful people are intelligent.

I am neither sure nor even make a claim on Jyotish knowledge, but

here is my take on this:

1. The primary house to focus on in a chart for Intelligence is

Lagna. For it is the very discriminative intelligence which defines a

person and his/her "self". Lagna is also the apex of the trikona

which focuses on Buddhi.

2. The secondary houses for Intelligence would then be the ninth and

the fifth. Nandiniji gives the reasons in a seperate message.

3. For success, I would focus on the "vriddhi" trikona, the apex

seventh of partnerships, the third of communications and the eleventh

of gains.

4. And when, I turn to grahas, the first is Budh, for reasons obvious

and alongwith Budh, I would place Guru for its ability to give the

wisdom amd broader understanding to sheer learning ability and quick

logical grasp. It is no surprise that both Budh and Guru have the

stringest Digbala in Lagna, the start of self and Buddhi.

5. But then, this intelligence would lose unless supported by the

efforts signified by Mars, the perseverence of Saturn, the need for

change and inovation given by Rahu, the passion to apply this

intelligence which can given by Venus. The equaninimity and balance

of emotions and mind necessary to allow this inteliigence to flourish

in this relative world can only be provided by Moon. And,The atmabal,

the mission the entire sequence completed by Sun. For what is Budh

without Aditya.....

5. Ketu,who allows to filter between the personal and the real. To

distinguish between personal ambitions and achievements leading to

selfaggrandization in this Mayavi world and the contribution to this

world for the world alone......also needs to support!

6.The arudha, for the world to appreciate what has been given to it.

One would need to atleast focus on Arudha Lagna and A11.

The entire spectrum!

But then we are talking of the few individuals who change the world,

the intelligent successful and epochcreators!

Maharashi Parasara while laying down simple guidelines for us

Kaliyugi jyotishis had craftily numbered us by introducing the

ashtakvarga. In my opinion, the key is not where the points are

distributed in the ashtakvarga but the fact that they are same for

all individuals and charts...337 or any other number too. This means

that if a chart shows tremendous strength on a few houses, these

strengths come from another house thus weakening it. The balance,

therefore, the key.

regards

rishi

 

 

 

, "Rohiniranjan"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Dear wise friend,

>

> I *did* study your forum message!

>

> Socrates was wise! But perhaps not 'intelligent' for his times!

>

> Great illustration, though! Thanks!!

>

> Of how wisdom lives on almost immortal some would say, while

> <worldly> intelligence dies? Oh say by Alzheimers disease or the

> mussel poisoning by domoic acid in Prince Edward Island in the late

> eighties?

>

> "SUCCESS" -- now that is a whole another dimension that you

> introduced into this discussion!

>

> I shall prudently and sheepishly shy away from even going there --

> BUT you sound sure. Please do elaborate and elucidate more...

> , rishi shukla

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > Ranjanda,

> > Success or fame and intelligence may not always go

> > together. For the same Bill Gates born now wouldnot

> > find that window which he got in his time.

> > Churchill may have been equally intelligent but for

> > Hitler, he would come across as a person who presided

> > over the end of the Raj.

> > In my experiences of life, I have seen brilliant

> > people fade away without a song. That promise is the

> > spark of intelligence which needs to be ignited to a

> > flame for a person to reach the dizzy heights of the

> > some of the people you mentioned.

> > In this real world which breeds mediocrity, often a

> > cup of poison is offered to the intelligent!

> > How often have excelent scientific research has seen a

> > quite burial only for the world to realise it years

> > later or not to realise it later too.

> > rishi

> >

> > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Nandini ji,

> > >

> > > Intelligence <<unapplied>> simply is a promise that

> > > never really was

> > > confirmed and therefore never existed and therefore

> > > invalidated

> > > thusly! Parents and loved ones have been *imagining*

> > > and hoping

> > > things like that for as long as *we* animals began

> > > to walk on our two

> > > feet following the Celestine injection of the 'HOPE

> > > serum'!

> > >

> > > Intelligence, as opposed to wisdom, is only about

> > > worldly reality!

> > > Just as Jyotish!! Both are like the ladder that gets

> > > us into the

> > > airplane that will then take us to far-off

> > > destinations! The ladder

> > > would remain behind! As Jyotish should!! Enough said

> > > (?)

> > >

> > > Wisdom is different! I would rather not get into

> > > that because I hate

> > > flame wars!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "kakan_leo"

> > > <kakan_leo@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > But we often come across people about whom we say,

> > > that he or she

> > > > is very intelligent but does not apply it

> > > constructively.

> > > >

> > > > Is that not intelligence then?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Nandini.

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > "Rohiniranjan"

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Then in the final analysis, the child in this

> > > illustration has

> > > not

> > > > > turned out to be intelligent!

> > > > >

> > > > > Intelligence is not about promise, it is about

> > > outcome and

> > > results!

> > > > >

> > > > > Like Einstein, like Darwin, like Churchill, like

> > > Bill Gates!

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes?

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ranjanda,

> > > > > > Definitions of Intelligence abound. If I take

> > > it as Learning,

> > > > > > adapting and utilising ability,even then

> > > almost the entire

> > > > > navagrahas

> > > > > > get involved in determing intelligence of a

> > > native. This

> > > > question

> > > > > of

> > > > > > yours therefore no simple answers.

> > > > > > Time has to be factored in also. Intelligence

> > > is also a

> > > function

> > > > of

> > > > > > age,energy levels , ambience and oppurtunity

> > > levels.

> > > > > > A Primary school child may be brilliant

> > > almost genius and at

> > > > the

> > > > > > secondary school level most ordinary, good at

> > > college and

> > > > helpless

> > > > > in

> > > > > > applying it in life.

> > > > > > rishi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> > > "Rohiniranjan"

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kumar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am sorry but I could not understand the

> > > first paragraph in

> > > > your

> > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,

> > > Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RRji,

> > > > > > > > sure it is a armchair topic than astro

> > > ashutosh has warned

> > > > the

> > > > > > > TITANIC POSTER, so we need to make sure we r

> > > in line mix

> > > astro

> > > > > work

> > > > > > > with non astro. choice is there and sword is

> > > also there.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I rarely venture into threads this one for

> > > now.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > intelligence is of two kinds at least for

> > > current world

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > one is on the academic, professional [work

> > > or sports, arts]

> > > > > > > spiritual etc

> > > > > > > > OTHER IS SURVIVAL, survival instincts has

> > > only lead man to

> > > > come

> > > > > > > this far and also go back to some primitive

> > > and base ways

> > > > again.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > to survive now At any cost is all we need

> > > to read in any

> > > > chart

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > many cases are we seeing I want to help

> > > people in their

> > > > academic,

> > > > > > > pursuits or professional or scientific

> > > purists after I have

> > > > > reached

> > > > > > > some state, I can only see one here

> > > Raghunatha Rao Nemani

> > > here

> > > > > > doing

> > > > > > > this. who has offered to share his resources

> > > from books to

> > > > money

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > anyone who needs it and also offered free

> > > books for anyone

> > > > > needing

> > > > > > > them and also sponsoring any translation

> > > work as well.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in the larger world people like Narayana

> > > Murthy-Infosys,

> > > > Bill

> > > > > > > gates, Diana, Time Warner etc have shared

> > > their wealth for

> > > > others

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > we don't get to see many. we see politicians

> > > officials, our

> > > > > > > administrators in a competition in looting

> > > more than others

> > > > they

> > > > > > > know. again survival instincts as their

> > > rivals, peers

> > > whatever

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > overtake them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards/prashant

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > > wrote: Dear

> > > Forum Members

> > > > > > (Jyotishis

> > > > > > > and students),

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This could end up being a general thread,

> > > unless you put

> > > > > energy

> > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > it, energy and light of your individual

> > > and collective

> > > > > intellect!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One of the many things that parents ask

> > > of

> > === message truncated ===

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

____________________

> ______________

> > Sponsored Link

> >

> > Get an Online or Campus degree

> > Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year.

> > http://www.findtherightschool.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Rishi,

 

The primary intention (mine at least) was not to make it yet another

mercurial uhapoha where semantics, meanings, nuances and connotations

begin to interfere.

 

While ashtakavarga is a great aid, and useful single tool, Parashara

Muni was a bit underestimating Kaliyugi intelligence! But maybe he

was questioning Kaliyugi wisdom and if so, I am in agreement with

him, unconditionally! I write this not out of arrogance (already see

bazookas and antiaircraft guns being cranked to zero-in on the

heretic!

 

Your take on Ashtakavarga is thoughtful and thus wise!

 

You are right -- intelligence takes so many forms and formats and

really has not much to do with creativity (I don't know how many IQ

points Mozart would get in modern tests) nor was Beethovan who was

pretty creative but we now know was laden with lead and mercury

(recent findings based on hair samples)! Other examples too exist.

 

Intelligence if I am rightly recalling is associated with

connectivity, messages going back and forth through the brain and

also require one more faculty: memory and ability to retrieve

information. Mercury and moon would symbolically seem to fulfil the

two roles as indicators of intelligence. Interestingly, both

astrological indicators are subject to who they are associated with

for their guna (malefic and benefic).

 

But intelligence is just a beginning of the promise. It needs the

heavy planets for it to be applied and become sustainable and

significant.

 

RR

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Ranjanda,

> The debate on differences, linguistically or otherwise, between

> Intelligence, Wisdom and the definition of Success/fame would be

> longdrawn and beyond the scope of this forum. I can only venture

that

> not all intelligent people are successful and conversely also not

all

> successful people are intelligent.

> I am neither sure nor even make a claim on Jyotish knowledge, but

> here is my take on this:

> 1. The primary house to focus on in a chart for Intelligence is

> Lagna. For it is the very discriminative intelligence which defines

a

> person and his/her "self". Lagna is also the apex of the trikona

> which focuses on Buddhi.

> 2. The secondary houses for Intelligence would then be the ninth

and

> the fifth. Nandiniji gives the reasons in a seperate message.

> 3. For success, I would focus on the "vriddhi" trikona, the apex

> seventh of partnerships, the third of communications and the

eleventh

> of gains.

> 4. And when, I turn to grahas, the first is Budh, for reasons

obvious

> and alongwith Budh, I would place Guru for its ability to give the

> wisdom amd broader understanding to sheer learning ability and

quick

> logical grasp. It is no surprise that both Budh and Guru have the

> stringest Digbala in Lagna, the start of self and Buddhi.

> 5. But then, this intelligence would lose unless supported by the

> efforts signified by Mars, the perseverence of Saturn, the need for

> change and inovation given by Rahu, the passion to apply this

> intelligence which can given by Venus. The equaninimity and balance

> of emotions and mind necessary to allow this inteliigence to

flourish

> in this relative world can only be provided by Moon. And,The

atmabal,

> the mission the entire sequence completed by Sun. For what is Budh

> without Aditya.....

> 5. Ketu,who allows to filter between the personal and the real. To

> distinguish between personal ambitions and achievements leading to

> selfaggrandization in this Mayavi world and the contribution to

this

> world for the world alone......also needs to support!

> 6.The arudha, for the world to appreciate what has been given to

it.

> One would need to atleast focus on Arudha Lagna and A11.

> The entire spectrum!

> But then we are talking of the few individuals who change the

world,

> the intelligent successful and epochcreators!

> Maharashi Parasara while laying down simple guidelines for us

> Kaliyugi jyotishis had craftily numbered us by introducing the

> ashtakvarga. In my opinion, the key is not where the points are

> distributed in the ashtakvarga but the fact that they are same for

> all individuals and charts...337 or any other number too. This

means

> that if a chart shows tremendous strength on a few houses, these

> strengths come from another house thus weakening it. The balance,

> therefore, the key.

> regards

> rishi

>

>

>

> , "Rohiniranjan"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear wise friend,

> >

> > I *did* study your forum message!

> >

> > Socrates was wise! But perhaps not 'intelligent' for his times!

> >

> > Great illustration, though! Thanks!!

> >

> > Of how wisdom lives on almost immortal some would say, while

> > <worldly> intelligence dies? Oh say by Alzheimers disease or the

> > mussel poisoning by domoic acid in Prince Edward Island in the

late

> > eighties?

> >

> > "SUCCESS" -- now that is a whole another dimension that you

> > introduced into this discussion!

> >

> > I shall prudently and sheepishly shy away from even going there --

 

> > BUT you sound sure. Please do elaborate and elucidate more...

> > , rishi shukla

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Ranjanda,

> > > Success or fame and intelligence may not always go

> > > together. For the same Bill Gates born now wouldnot

> > > find that window which he got in his time.

> > > Churchill may have been equally intelligent but for

> > > Hitler, he would come across as a person who presided

> > > over the end of the Raj.

> > > In my experiences of life, I have seen brilliant

> > > people fade away without a song. That promise is the

> > > spark of intelligence which needs to be ignited to a

> > > flame for a person to reach the dizzy heights of the

> > > some of the people you mentioned.

> > > In this real world which breeds mediocrity, often a

> > > cup of poison is offered to the intelligent!

> > > How often have excelent scientific research has seen a

> > > quite burial only for the world to realise it years

> > > later or not to realise it later too.

> > > rishi

> > >

> > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Nandini ji,

> > > >

> > > > Intelligence <<unapplied>> simply is a promise that

> > > > never really was

> > > > confirmed and therefore never existed and therefore

> > > > invalidated

> > > > thusly! Parents and loved ones have been *imagining*

> > > > and hoping

> > > > things like that for as long as *we* animals began

> > > > to walk on our two

> > > > feet following the Celestine injection of the 'HOPE

> > > > serum'!

> > > >

> > > > Intelligence, as opposed to wisdom, is only about

> > > > worldly reality!

> > > > Just as Jyotish!! Both are like the ladder that gets

> > > > us into the

> > > > airplane that will then take us to far-off

> > > > destinations! The ladder

> > > > would remain behind! As Jyotish should!! Enough said

> > > > (?)

> > > >

> > > > Wisdom is different! I would rather not get into

> > > > that because I hate

> > > > flame wars!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "kakan_leo"

> > > > <kakan_leo@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > But we often come across people about whom we say,

> > > > that he or she

> > > > > is very intelligent but does not apply it

> > > > constructively.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is that not intelligence then?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Nandini.

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > > "Rohiniranjan"

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Then in the final analysis, the child in this

> > > > illustration has

> > > > not

> > > > > > turned out to be intelligent!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Intelligence is not about promise, it is about

> > > > outcome and

> > > > results!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Like Einstein, like Darwin, like Churchill, like

> > > > Bill Gates!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> > > > "rishi_2000in"

> > > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ranjanda,

> > > > > > > Definitions of Intelligence abound. If I take

> > > > it as Learning,

> > > > > > > adapting and utilising ability,even then

> > > > almost the entire

> > > > > > navagrahas

> > > > > > > get involved in determing intelligence of a

> > > > native. This

> > > > > question

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > yours therefore no simple answers.

> > > > > > > Time has to be factored in also. Intelligence

> > > > is also a

> > > > function

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > age,energy levels , ambience and oppurtunity

> > > > levels.

> > > > > > > A Primary school child may be brilliant

> > > > almost genius and at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > secondary school level most ordinary, good at

> > > > college and

> > > > > helpless

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > applying it in life.

> > > > > > > rishi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,

> > > > "Rohiniranjan"

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kumar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am sorry but I could not understand the

> > > > first paragraph in

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > posting.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

> > > > Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RRji,

> > > > > > > > > sure it is a armchair topic than astro

> > > > ashutosh has warned

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > TITANIC POSTER, so we need to make sure we r

> > > > in line mix

> > > > astro

> > > > > > work

> > > > > > > > with non astro. choice is there and sword is

> > > > also there.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I rarely venture into threads this one for

> > > > now.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > intelligence is of two kinds at least for

> > > > current world

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > one is on the academic, professional [work

> > > > or sports, arts]

> > > > > > > > spiritual etc

> > > > > > > > > OTHER IS SURVIVAL, survival instincts has

> > > > only lead man to

> > > > > come

> > > > > > > > this far and also go back to some primitive

> > > > and base ways

> > > > > again.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > to survive now At any cost is all we need

> > > > to read in any

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > many cases are we seeing I want to help

> > > > people in their

> > > > > academic,

> > > > > > > > pursuits or professional or scientific

> > > > purists after I have

> > > > > > reached

> > > > > > > > some state, I can only see one here

> > > > Raghunatha Rao Nemani

> > > > here

> > > > > > > doing

> > > > > > > > this. who has offered to share his resources

> > > > from books to

> > > > > money

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > anyone who needs it and also offered free

> > > > books for anyone

> > > > > > needing

> > > > > > > > them and also sponsoring any translation

> > > > work as well.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > in the larger world people like Narayana

> > > > Murthy-Infosys,

> > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > gates, Diana, Time Warner etc have shared

> > > > their wealth for

> > > > > others

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > we don't get to see many. we see politicians

> > > > officials, our

> > > > > > > > administrators in a competition in looting

> > > > more than others

> > > > > they

> > > > > > > > know. again survival instincts as their

> > > > rivals, peers

> > > > whatever

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > overtake them.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards/prashant

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > > > wrote: Dear

> > > > Forum Members

> > > > > > > (Jyotishis

> > > > > > > > and students),

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This could end up being a general thread,

> > > > unless you put

> > > > > > energy

> > > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > it, energy and light of your individual

> > > > and collective

> > > > > > intellect!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > One of the many things that parents ask

> > > > of

> > > === message truncated ===

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

____________________

> > ______________

> > > Sponsored Link

> > >

> > > Get an Online or Campus degree

> > > Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year.

> > > http://www.findtherightschool.com

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Intentions can initiate but then events become independent and mould

their own future!

The promises in a chart often need a trigger in terms of either

dashas or transits. But then the same triggers apply to all similar

charts and only one out of several individuals are able to optimise

their potential.

What Karmas, what truths or simply "what" makes the difference is the

question.

Memories are again not simple. Some have excellent recall of near

past events, while some of distant past. Some retain trivialiaties

while others the substance. Why should I be able to , for example,

recollect almost everything of a particular year and am blank about

the last year?

rishi

[Guest guest]

All very good points Rishi. Like the moon, the memory is wavering,

fluctuating! Perhaps other influences crystalize certain experiences

and they become more stable, long-term memories. There is biological

evidence for different types of memories and how they are stored and

retrieved. Many a times, the memory is there but just cannot be

retrieved readily, like that word that is right on the tip of the

tongue and suddenly we recall it moments later.

 

I will reserve any comments on the situation where individuals have

similar or identical charts (twins) with similar dashas and yet one

goes north, the other south. It would be too speculative to examine

that without examples. I have not looked into that and do not recall

anyone else that might have reported such a study.

 

RR

 

 

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Intentions can initiate but then events become independent and mould

> their own future!

> The promises in a chart often need a trigger in terms of either

> dashas or transits. But then the same triggers apply to all similar

> charts and only one out of several individuals are able to optimise

> their potential.

> What Karmas, what truths or simply "what" makes the difference is the

> question.

> Memories are again not simple. Some have excellent recall of near

> past events, while some of distant past. Some retain trivialiaties

> while others the substance. Why should I be able to , for example,

> recollect almost everything of a particular year and am blank about

> the last year?

> rishi

>