Guest guest Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 Dear Gurujis, I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th house(Gemini) and Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter is in 8th house in Meena Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects because of this shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am wearing an pushpraj stone, is it going to help me? Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house, will this shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in Dec 06, so I would like to know what care I should take. My Birth details are as follows: B.09-07-1975 B.Time: 09:05am B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India) Thanks & regards Sagar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Dear Shri. Sagarvpatil: You may gift a golden hair-pin to your prospective bride on the day of the betrothal (the day before the marriage). The bride should wear it throughout the marriage ceremony. After the saptapathi and mangala sutra dhaaranam are over, you must gift this hair-pin to a vedic brahmin praying that all brahmana curses should be neutralized by this gift to a vedic brahmin. You can offer the hair-pin as gift to the officiating priest of the marriage. Do this with full faith and with the attitude that you are offering this gift to the Veda purushaa Himself without having any doubts as to whether the recipient of the gift is qualified for that exalted status! Our attitude can cover up for the possible deficiency of the recipient.... Otherwise, you can sponsor a samaaradhana for one day in a veda patasaala and honour the vedic teachers and students if you can make a visit to a patasala like that. Curses are overcome by donations and charities rather than by wearing the concerned gemstones ourselves! Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology, "sagarvpatil" <sagarvpatil wrote: > > Dear Gurujis, > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th house(Gemini) and > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter is in 8th house in Meena > Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects because of this > shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am wearing an pushpraj > stone, is it going to help me? > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house, will this > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in Dec 06, so I > would like to know what care I should take. > My Birth details are as follows: > B.09-07-1975 > B.Time: 09:05am > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India) > > Thanks & regards > Sagar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Can You Tell me who is a real Vedic Brahmana? IS there anybody? Really?.... I don't think 'officiating priests' are real Vedic Brahmanas. Also what kind of Karma will that Brahmana Who cursed will undergo? What kind of Remedy/Shanthi that Cursing real Vedic Brahmana DO? If he is really a real Vedic 'Brahmana' (who cannot/incapable of control of any of his Indriyas), can he not control his/her anger/emotions? I say the better remedy is to curse back that real fake Vedic Brahmana (who ever is supposed to have cursed you), and take out that fear from your Mind and Subconcious Conditioning by Superstitious Thinking (used by negative astrology), and proceed happily with your life in a Positive Manner, Fearlessly. Don't worry, there are no such things as Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And Additions later on, to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of Society in the name of Astrology. The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, Meditations, Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and Prayerfulness. Best Wishes, -------Ananda Sunkanpally vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > Dear Shri. Sagarvpatil: > > You may gift a golden hair-pin to your prospective bride on the day > of the betrothal (the day before the marriage). The bride should > wear it throughout the marriage ceremony. After the saptapathi and > mangala sutra dhaaranam are over, you must gift this hair-pin to a > vedic brahmin praying that all brahmana curses should be neutralized > by this gift to a vedic brahmin. You can offer the hair-pin as gift > to the officiating priest of the marriage. Do this with full faith > and with the attitude that you are offering this gift to the Veda > purushaa Himself without having any doubts as to whether the > recipient of the gift is qualified for that exalted status! Our > attitude can cover up for the possible deficiency of the recipient.... > > Otherwise, you can sponsor a samaaradhana for one day in a veda > patasaala and honour the vedic teachers and students if you can make > a visit to a patasala like that. > > Curses are overcome by donations and charities rather than by wearing > the concerned gemstones ourselves! > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology, > "sagarvpatil" sagarvpatil@ wrote: > > > > Dear Gurujis, > > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th house(Gemini) and > > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter is in 8th house in Meena > > Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects because of > this > > shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am wearing an > pushpraj > > stone, is it going to help me? > > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house, will this > > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in Dec 06, so I > > would like to know what care I should take. > > My Birth details are as follows: > > B.09-07-1975 > > B.Time: 09:05am > > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India) > > > > Thanks & regards > > Sagar > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 SPREADING TOO MUCH SUPERSTITIONS IS TO BE CONDEMNED. Can You Tell me who is a real Vedic Brahmana? IS there anybody? Really?.... I don't think Bigoted 'officiating priests' are real Vedic Brahmanas. Also what kind of Karma will that Brahmana Who cursed will undergo? What kind of Remedy/Shanthi that Cursing real Vedic Brahmana DO? If he is really a real Vedic 'Brahmana' (who cannot/incapable of control of any of his Indriyas), can he not control his/her anger/emotions? I say the better remedy is to curse back that real fake Vedic Brahmana (who ever is supposed to have cursed you), and take out that fear from your Mind and Subconscious Conditioning by Superstitious Thinking (used by negative astrology), and proceed happily with your life in a Positive Manner, Fearlessly. Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And Additions later on, to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of Society in the name of Astrology. The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, Meditations, Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and Prayerfulness. Best Wishes to All. May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. Namasthay Best Wishes, -------Ananda Sunkanpally vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > Dear Shri. Sagarvpatil: > > You may gift a golden hair-pin to your prospective bride on the day > of the betrothal (the day before the marriage). The bride should > wear it throughout the marriage ceremony. After the saptapathi and > mangala sutra dhaaranam are over, you must gift this hair-pin to a > vedic brahmin praying that all brahmana curses should be neutralized > by this gift to a vedic brahmin. You can offer the hair-pin as gift > to the officiating priest of the marriage. Do this with full faith > and with the attitude that you are offering this gift to the Veda > purushaa Himself without having any doubts as to whether the > recipient of the gift is qualified for that exalted status! Our > attitude can cover up for the possible deficiency of the recipient.... > > Otherwise, you can sponsor a samaaradhana for one day in a veda > patasaala and honour the vedic teachers and students if you can make > a visit to a patasala like that. > > Curses are overcome by donations and charities rather than by wearing > the concerned gemstones ourselves! > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology, > "sagarvpatil" sagarvpatil@ wrote: > > > > Dear Gurujis, > > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th house(Gemini) and > > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter is in 8th house in Meena > > Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects because of > this > > shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am wearing an > pushpraj > > stone, is it going to help me? > > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house, will this > > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in Dec 06, so I > > would like to know what care I should take. > > My Birth details are as follows: > > B.09-07-1975 > > B.Time: 09:05am > > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India) > > > > Thanks & regards > > Sagar > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Dear Member: I can only pity your ignorance! Brahmana curse does not necessariy arise out of "explicit curse" of a Brahmin. It is caused by any of the following reasons: 1) Willful insult to a pious brahmin (here brahmin does not necessarily mean the "narrow definition" by birth....any pious person with satwik qualities and engaged in spiritual pursuits and Aatma bhaava is a Brahmin; one who upholds truthfulness is a brahmin.....The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of how even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood!). 2) Imputing motives to the well-meaning shastraic suggestions of a learned person. 3) Disrespect to scriptures and vedas (rational analysis of scriptures is not a sin; but opiniated outbursts against shastras is a clear disrespect to shastras!). 4) Knowingly or unknowingly harming a true brahmin will lead to brahminical curse. A true Brahmin may not even curse others...but, the agony of the distressed soul will take the form of a curse....at least if the pious person had cursed, the results would have been limited to the terms of the curse...but when a pious person just feels the pain of an act and keeps quiet, the wrath of the deities will definitely befall on the doer of that injustice as a powerful curse that may continue for many births. Any person who curses another invokes severe karma. The karmic wheel is true and unfailing! Even great sages of yore have lost their hard-earned tapasya powers by cursing others.....But, curses do have their effects and that cannot be denied! If one stabs you with a knife you will die; that the other person invokes severe karma does not prevent you from getting hurt. In the same way, curses do have their effect if the curser is even marginally more powerful than you in terms of occult powers or mantra siddhi. This is a knowledge forum....and arguments should be based on shastraic injunctions and not on mere surmises or hate on certain castes/creeds! There are so many things that are not found in any of the books and come by tradition over countless years. You cannot brush everything as being "invented" for money. Wrath is unbecoming of a scholar. There are some valid philosophical points in your post but your hate for certain sect is so palpable that it is the only thing that will be obvious to the members reading your post.....the person who had raised query wants a solution and he is entering into a mundane life.....Our motive should be to help him to come to positive terms with his life. Can the member who raised the query afford to get married without a priest? Won't he feel the pressure of his family or for that matter, the bride's family? What is the point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? Faith is most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut brains are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified these rituals and practices in the past....Let us not assume our own superiority in these matters. This is my humble request. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology, "aghorabhairav" <aghorabhairav wrote: > > > SPREADING TOO MUCH SUPERSTITIONS IS TO BE CONDEMNED. > > > > Can You Tell me who is a real Vedic Brahmana? IS there anybody? > Really?.... > > I don't think Bigoted 'officiating priests' are real Vedic Brahmanas. > > Also what kind of Karma will that Brahmana Who cursed will undergo? What > kind of Remedy/Shanthi that Cursing real Vedic Brahmana DO? > > If he is really a real Vedic 'Brahmana' (who cannot/incapable of control > of any of his Indriyas), can he not control his/her anger/emotions? > > I say the better remedy is to curse back that real fake Vedic Brahmana > (who ever is supposed to have cursed you), and take out that fear from > your Mind and Subconscious Conditioning by Superstitious Thinking (used > by negative astrology), and proceed happily with your life in a Positive > Manner, Fearlessly. Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted > Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And Additions later on, > to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of > Society in the name of Astrology. > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, Meditations, > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and > Prayerfulness. > > > > Best Wishes to All. > > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > > > Namasthay > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Sagarvpatil: > > > > You may gift a golden hair-pin to your prospective bride on the day > > of the betrothal (the day before the marriage). The bride should > > wear it throughout the marriage ceremony. After the saptapathi and > > mangala sutra dhaaranam are over, you must gift this hair-pin to a > > vedic brahmin praying that all brahmana curses should be neutralized > > by this gift to a vedic brahmin. You can offer the hair-pin as gift > > to the officiating priest of the marriage. Do this with full faith > > and with the attitude that you are offering this gift to the Veda > > purushaa Himself without having any doubts as to whether the > > recipient of the gift is qualified for that exalted status! Our > > attitude can cover up for the possible deficiency of the recipient.... > > > > Otherwise, you can sponsor a samaaradhana for one day in a veda > > patasaala and honour the vedic teachers and students if you can make > > a visit to a patasala like that. > > > > Curses are overcome by donations and charities rather than by wearing > > the concerned gemstones ourselves! > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology, > > "sagarvpatil" sagarvpatil@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gurujis, > > > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th house(Gemini) and > > > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter is in 8th house in Meena > > > Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects because of > > this > > > shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am wearing an > > pushpraj > > > stone, is it going to help me? > > > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house, will this > > > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in Dec 06, so I > > > would like to know what care I should take. > > > My Birth details are as follows: > > > B.09-07-1975 > > > B.Time: 09:05am > > > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India) > > > > > > Thanks & regards > > > Sagar > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY Dear Member I also can pity your ignorance! First point, How this person can be responsible for some imagined karma done in some imagined precious birth? when is first Karma committed? In which Birth? If it is not caused by any explicit nature, then what is the point in making him suffer through guilt complex and some unknown unrelated person getting substantial benefit of Gold extracted from such gullibles? May I ask You, from which Shastra and out of which experience have you suggested such a make belief remedy? And about harming others, My opinion is one should not harm EVEN any living being, they need not be especially "Brahmin" variety [] . Here you say: Ø The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of how >even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood! This statement implies that You are having an opinion that Brahmin means by birth and thus implying the innate superior casteism in you is quite obvious, so the bigotry IS IMPLIED. Sage Vishwamitra was a victim of Brahminical hypocrisy. His story shows that, even kings were highly manipulated by the brahminical castes at those times, which even continues now, unfortunately. Here you say: >What is the >point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? I did not brand everyone as a bigoted Brahmin priest, but I did brand a bigoted Brahmin as a `Bigoted Brahmin', Why are you getting worried? Unless you are in to supporting them? Here you say: ? Faith is most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut brains are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified these rituals and practices in the past.... I am not saying anything against the Mahathmas or Sages who coded these rituals for the benefit of Universe and the whole humanity. I am just saying that there are some intelligent sections of the community who monopolized the whole issue and out of their selfish interests, these sections (some) have misused to scare the general public and make them pay up through their nose. Do you give guarantee that they are not being misused? To scare the public and extract money and cheat the public? Here you say: Our motive should be to help him to come to positive terms with his life. But how can you? You Yourself are not Positive? And how can a Expensive Golden Hairpin Solve all the Problems? I will guarantee you that, nothing is going to happen, whether he gifts the Golden Hairpin to a Brahmin or not. Please Stop this Natak (drama) and you are trying to explain all other unrelated stuff to support your mistake. You are not really Enlightened Astrologer? Are You? Or just a Brahmin Caste Pandith? Who think that astrology is their birth right or some thing etc.???? A Positive thinking, strength and a fearlessness to face any challenge of life is what is needed. An inner transformation of the innate nature, to conquer and master one's own way of life is needed and an astrologer's job is to strengthen the positive traits of his client but not to scare him with negativity and take advantage of his fears. I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but there is a school of thinking of Modern Astrologers, who advocate a Positive Astrology and Therapeutic Counselling compared to the majority of ancient astrologers and the so called pundits who write all (mostly) the negative predictions of the life, making the client's life more miserable but in the end the Brahmin and the astrologer benefiting from the Dakshinas. This is one of the major reasons, why astrology got the bad name. There needs be more understanding of principles of astrology and the application of sutras to modern life in more broader secular terms. As I am putting these as an alternative and radical modern thinking for the future astrologers to keep in Mind and not to follow everything blindly or have a superior caste ego. An astrologer should be Ego-Less and Rebellious first. And not expect too much or have a superiority complex. He has to experiment a lot and come to conclusions in a scientific and viable way. I repeat: Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And Additions later on, to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of Society in the name of Astrology. The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, Meditations, Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and Prayerfulness. And proceed happily with your life in a Positive Manner, Fearlessly. Best Wishes to All. May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. Namasthay Best Wishes, -------Ananda Sunkanpally PS: There are no assumptions of superiority, BUT only friendly discussions on principles. vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > Dear Member: > > I can only pity your ignorance! Brahmana curse does not necessariy > arise out of "explicit curse" of a Brahmin. It is caused by any of > the following reasons: > > 1) Willful insult to a pious brahmin (here brahmin does not > necessarily mean the "narrow definition" by birth....any pious person > with satwik qualities and engaged in spiritual pursuits and Aatma > bhaava is a Brahmin; one who upholds truthfulness is a > brahmin.....The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of how > even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood!). > > 2) Imputing motives to the well-meaning shastraic suggestions of a > learned person. > > 3) Disrespect to scriptures and vedas (rational analysis of > scriptures is not a sin; but opiniated outbursts against shastras is > a clear disrespect to shastras!). > > 4) Knowingly or unknowingly harming a true brahmin will lead to > brahminical curse. A true Brahmin may not even curse others...but, > the agony of the distressed soul will take the form of a curse....at > least if the pious person had cursed, the results would have been > limited to the terms of the curse...but when a pious person just > feels the pain of an act and keeps quiet, the wrath of the deities > will definitely befall on the doer of that injustice as a powerful > curse that may continue for many births. Any person who curses > another invokes severe karma. The karmic wheel is true and > unfailing! Even great sages of yore have lost their hard-earned > tapasya powers by cursing others.....But, curses do have their > effects and that cannot be denied! If one stabs you with a knife you > will die; that the other person invokes severe karma does not prevent > you from getting hurt. In the same way, curses do have their effect > if the curser is even marginally more powerful than you in terms of > occult powers or mantra siddhi. > > This is a knowledge forum....and arguments should be based on > shastraic injunctions and not on mere surmises or hate on certain > castes/creeds! There are so many things that are not found in any of > the books and come by tradition over countless years. You cannot > brush everything as being "invented" for money. Wrath is unbecoming > of a scholar. There are some valid philosophical points in your post > but your hate for certain sect is so palpable that it is the only > thing that will be obvious to the members reading your post.....the > person who had raised query wants a solution and he is entering into > a mundane life.....Our motive should be to help him to come to > positive terms with his life. Can the member who raised the query > afford to get married without a priest? Won't he feel the pressure > of his family or for that matter, the bride's family? What is the > point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? Faith is > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut brains > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified these > rituals and practices in the past....Let us not assume our own > superiority in these matters. This is my humble request. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology, > "aghorabhairav" aghorabhairav@ wrote: > > > > > > SPREADING TOO MUCH SUPERSTITIONS IS TO BE CONDEMNED. > > > > > > > > Can You Tell me who is a real Vedic Brahmana? IS there anybody? > > Really?.... > > > > I don't think Bigoted 'officiating priests' are real Vedic > Brahmanas. > > > > Also what kind of Karma will that Brahmana Who cursed will undergo? > What > > kind of Remedy/Shanthi that Cursing real Vedic Brahmana DO? > > > > If he is really a real Vedic 'Brahmana' (who cannot/incapable of > control > > of any of his Indriyas), can he not control his/her anger/emotions? > > > > I say the better remedy is to curse back that real fake Vedic > Brahmana > > (who ever is supposed to have cursed you), and take out that fear > from > > your Mind and Subconscious Conditioning by Superstitious Thinking > (used > > by negative astrology), and proceed happily with your life in a > Positive > > Manner, Fearlessly. Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted > > Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And Additions > later on, > > to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of > > Society in the name of Astrology. > > > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, > Meditations, > > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and > > Prayerfulness. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes to All. > > > > > > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > > > > > > > Namasthay > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sagarvpatil: > > > > > > You may gift a golden hair-pin to your prospective bride on the > day > > > of the betrothal (the day before the marriage). The bride should > > > wear it throughout the marriage ceremony. After the saptapathi and > > > mangala sutra dhaaranam are over, you must gift this hair-pin to a > > > vedic brahmin praying that all brahmana curses should be > neutralized > > > by this gift to a vedic brahmin. You can offer the hair-pin as > gift > > > to the officiating priest of the marriage. Do this with full faith > > > and with the attitude that you are offering this gift to the Veda > > > purushaa Himself without having any doubts as to whether the > > > recipient of the gift is qualified for that exalted status! Our > > > attitude can cover up for the possible deficiency of the > recipient.... > > > > > > Otherwise, you can sponsor a samaaradhana for one day in a veda > > > patasaala and honour the vedic teachers and students if you can > make > > > a visit to a patasala like that. > > > > > > Curses are overcome by donations and charities rather than by > wearing > > > the concerned gemstones ourselves! > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > "sagarvpatil" sagarvpatil@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujis, > > > > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th house(Gemini) > and > > > > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter is in 8th house in > Meena > > > > Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects because of > > > this > > > > shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am wearing an > > > pushpraj > > > > stone, is it going to help me? > > > > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house, will this > > > > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in Dec 06, > so I > > > > would like to know what care I should take. > > > > My Birth details are as follows: > > > > B.09-07-1975 > > > > B.Time: 09:05am > > > > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India) > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards > > > > Sagar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Ananda This is a Vedic Astrology Forum not an alternative and radical modern thinking forum. The person asked for remedies and it was suggested to him based on vedic astrology. Its upto the person to do it or not. If you don't have faith in vedic astrology and want to force your alternative and radical modern thinking on to others, you may as well start such a forum yourself. I am sure many other of your thinking will join your forum. Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Dear "Aghorabhairav": YOu are not aware of the person against whom you are imputing motives! Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is a very respected contributor of this columns and ask the scores and scores of people benefitted by his counsel whether he is bigotted.....Infact, Guruji is a living example of integrating vedic values in a modern living. You have written "IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY"....but your outlook and approach itself is very negative. I can say without fear of contradiction that Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is the most positive astrologer I have ever met.....He never scares his clients; on the contrary, he does his best to assuage the anxieties of those who sek his help everyday. In spite of his busy schedule, he devotes his time to post messages in this column so that learners of this subject can get benefitted. He has lived a life steeped in spiritual principles and when he says something, it is almost always correct. You have not read Guruji's post properly....He has very clearly stated in the very first point that all pious persons with spiritual values in life are Brahmins and not merely those who are Brahmins by birth. In fact, this is Guruji's basic principle in life though he himself was born as a Brahmin of the highest caste. Guruji used to cite examples of great saints of various classes of society to stress his point. Guruji's take on caste is that it may be relevant for certain vedic karmaas of a normal human life; but once a person goes beyond the limitations of mundane existence and treads the spiritual path, there should be no distinction based on caste. Brahmana saapa exists....and it is supported in classics like Brihat Parasara Hora Shaastra and various Naadi granthaas. If you do not believe in all this, you are free to start your own forum on SO- CALLED RADICAL ASTROLOGY. If a patient goes to a doctor with an ailment, the treatment has to be given whether it is to the taste of the patient or not......You cannot call a doctor as "POSITIVE MEDICAL PRACTITIONER" if he just ignores the ailment and says "It does not exist at all!" Your claiming to be a positive astrologer by assertin g"There is not Brahmana saapaa at all" without analyzing the native's horoscope is not positive astrology but idiocy at its heights. Moreoever, the honourable member of this forum wanted advice on Bramana saapa which he obviously believes in.....Learned Guruji answered it to calm down the native. You must understand that Guruji did not ask the hairpin for himself...he has no monetary interest in this issue at all! He has also suggested an alternative of sponsoring the vedic studies of a student to get rid of the curse. Obviously it is a measure of charity! You can have alternate views on issues; but you cannot brush away all previous authorities and usurp the role of propogator of "Positive astrology". In one of your recent posts, you had wanted to quit the forum. Kindly do so and do a service to this forum instead of spreading hate in this forum of vedic knowledge. Otherwise, many members will be forced to demand your ban from this group and throw you way with ignomity. Mohanraaam. vedic astrology, "aghorabhairav" <aghorabhairav wrote: > > > IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY > > Dear Member > > > > I also can pity your ignorance! > > First point, How this person can be responsible for some imagined karma > done in some imagined precious birth? when is first Karma committed? In > which Birth? > > If it is not caused by any explicit nature, then what is the point in > making him suffer through guilt complex and some unknown unrelated > person getting substantial benefit of Gold extracted from such > gullibles? > > May I ask You, from which Shastra and out of which experience have you > suggested such a make belief remedy? > > > > And about harming others, My opinion is one should not harm EVEN any > living being, they need not be especially "Brahmin" variety [] . > > > > Here you say: > > Ø The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of how > >even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood! > > > > This statement implies that You are having an opinion that Brahmin means > by birth and thus implying the innate superior casteism in you is quite > obvious, so the bigotry IS IMPLIED. Sage Vishwamitra was a victim of > Brahminical hypocrisy. His story shows that, even kings were highly > manipulated by the brahminical castes at those times, which even > continues now, unfortunately. > > > > Here you say: > > >What is the > >point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? > > > > I did not brand everyone as a bigoted Brahmin priest, but I did brand a > bigoted Brahmin as a `Bigoted Brahmin', Why are you getting > worried? Unless you are in to supporting them? > > > > Here you say: > > ? Faith is > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut brains > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified these > rituals and practices in the past.... > > > > I am not saying anything against the Mahathmas or Sages who coded these > rituals for the benefit of Universe and the whole humanity. I am just > saying that there are some intelligent sections of the community who > monopolized the whole issue and out of their selfish interests, these > sections (some) have misused to scare the general public and make them > pay up through their nose. Do you give guarantee that they are not being > misused? To scare the public and extract money and cheat the public? > > > > Here you say: > > Our motive should be to help him to come to > positive terms with his life. > > > > But how can you? You Yourself are not Positive? And how can a Expensive > Golden Hairpin Solve all the Problems? I will guarantee you that, > nothing is going to happen, whether he gifts the Golden Hairpin to a > Brahmin or not. Please Stop this Natak (drama) and you are trying to > explain all other unrelated stuff to support your mistake. You are not > really Enlightened Astrologer? Are You? Or just a Brahmin Caste Pandith? > > Who think that astrology is their birth right or some thing etc.???? > > A Positive thinking, strength and a fearlessness to face any > challenge of life is what is needed. An inner transformation of the > innate nature, to conquer and master one's own way of life is needed > and an astrologer's job is to strengthen the positive traits of his > client but not to scare him with negativity and take advantage of his > fears. I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but there is a > school of thinking of Modern Astrologers, who advocate a Positive > Astrology and Therapeutic Counselling compared to the majority of > ancient astrologers and the so called pundits who write all (mostly) the > negative predictions of the life, making the client's life more > miserable but in the end the Brahmin and the astrologer benefiting from > the Dakshinas. This is one of the major reasons, why astrology got the > bad name. There needs be more understanding of principles of astrology > and the application of sutras to modern life in more broader secular > terms. > > > > As I am putting these as an alternative and radical modern thinking for > the future astrologers to keep in Mind and not to follow everything > blindly or have a superior caste ego. An astrologer should be Ego- Less > and Rebellious first. And not expect too much or have a superiority > complex. He has to experiment a lot and come to conclusions in a > scientific and viable way. > > > > I repeat: > > Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted Brahmana Shapa etc. > They are all Made out things And Additions later on, to make money and > get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of Society in the name of > Astrology. > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, Meditations, > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and > Prayerfulness. > > > > And proceed happily with your life in a Positive Manner, Fearlessly. > > > > Best Wishes to All. > > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > > > Namasthay > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > > > PS: There are no assumptions of superiority, BUT only friendly > discussions on principles. > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear Member: > > > > I can only pity your ignorance! Brahmana curse does not necessariy > > arise out of "explicit curse" of a Brahmin. It is caused by any of > > the following reasons: > > > > 1) Willful insult to a pious brahmin (here brahmin does not > > necessarily mean the "narrow definition" by birth....any pious person > > with satwik qualities and engaged in spiritual pursuits and Aatma > > bhaava is a Brahmin; one who upholds truthfulness is a > > brahmin.....The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of how > > even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood!). > > > > 2) Imputing motives to the well-meaning shastraic suggestions of a > > learned person. > > > > 3) Disrespect to scriptures and vedas (rational analysis of > > scriptures is not a sin; but opiniated outbursts against shastras is > > a clear disrespect to shastras!). > > > > 4) Knowingly or unknowingly harming a true brahmin will lead to > > brahminical curse. A true Brahmin may not even curse others...but, > > the agony of the distressed soul will take the form of a curse....at > > least if the pious person had cursed, the results would have been > > limited to the terms of the curse...but when a pious person just > > feels the pain of an act and keeps quiet, the wrath of the deities > > will definitely befall on the doer of that injustice as a powerful > > curse that may continue for many births. Any person who curses > > another invokes severe karma. The karmic wheel is true and > > unfailing! Even great sages of yore have lost their hard-earned > > tapasya powers by cursing others.....But, curses do have their > > effects and that cannot be denied! If one stabs you with a knife you > > will die; that the other person invokes severe karma does not prevent > > you from getting hurt. In the same way, curses do have their effect > > if the curser is even marginally more powerful than you in terms of > > occult powers or mantra siddhi. > > > > This is a knowledge forum....and arguments should be based on > > shastraic injunctions and not on mere surmises or hate on certain > > castes/creeds! There are so many things that are not found in any of > > the books and come by tradition over countless years. You cannot > > brush everything as being "invented" for money. Wrath is unbecoming > > of a scholar. There are some valid philosophical points in your post > > but your hate for certain sect is so palpable that it is the only > > thing that will be obvious to the members reading your post.....the > > person who had raised query wants a solution and he is entering into > > a mundane life.....Our motive should be to help him to come to > > positive terms with his life. Can the member who raised the query > > afford to get married without a priest? Won't he feel the pressure > > of his family or for that matter, the bride's family? What is the > > point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? Faith is > > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut brains > > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified these > > rituals and practices in the past....Let us not assume our own > > superiority in these matters. This is my humble request. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology, > > "aghorabhairav" aghorabhairav@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > SPREADING TOO MUCH SUPERSTITIONS IS TO BE CONDEMNED. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can You Tell me who is a real Vedic Brahmana? IS there anybody? > > > Really?.... > > > > > > I don't think Bigoted 'officiating priests' are real Vedic > > Brahmanas. > > > > > > Also what kind of Karma will that Brahmana Who cursed will undergo? > > What > > > kind of Remedy/Shanthi that Cursing real Vedic Brahmana DO? > > > > > > If he is really a real Vedic 'Brahmana' (who cannot/incapable of > > control > > > of any of his Indriyas), can he not control his/her anger/ emotions? > > > > > > I say the better remedy is to curse back that real fake Vedic > > Brahmana > > > (who ever is supposed to have cursed you), and take out that fear > > from > > > your Mind and Subconscious Conditioning by Superstitious Thinking > > (used > > > by negative astrology), and proceed happily with your life in a > > Positive > > > Manner, Fearlessly. Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted > > > Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And Additions > > later on, > > > to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of > > > Society in the name of Astrology. > > > > > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, > > Meditations, > > > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and > > > Prayerfulness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes to All. > > > > > > > > > > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Namasthay > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sagarvpatil: > > > > > > > > You may gift a golden hair-pin to your prospective bride on the > > day > > > > of the betrothal (the day before the marriage). The bride should > > > > wear it throughout the marriage ceremony. After the saptapathi and > > > > mangala sutra dhaaranam are over, you must gift this hair-pin to a > > > > vedic brahmin praying that all brahmana curses should be > > neutralized > > > > by this gift to a vedic brahmin. You can offer the hair-pin as > > gift > > > > to the officiating priest of the marriage. Do this with full faith > > > > and with the attitude that you are offering this gift to the Veda > > > > purushaa Himself without having any doubts as to whether the > > > > recipient of the gift is qualified for that exalted status! Our > > > > attitude can cover up for the possible deficiency of the > > recipient.... > > > > > > > > Otherwise, you can sponsor a samaaradhana for one day in a veda > > > > patasaala and honour the vedic teachers and students if you can > > make > > > > a visit to a patasala like that. > > > > > > > > Curses are overcome by donations and charities rather than by > > wearing > > > > the concerned gemstones ourselves! > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > > "sagarvpatil" sagarvpatil@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujis, > > > > > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th house(Gemini) > > and > > > > > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter is in 8th house in > > Meena > > > > > Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects because of > > > > this > > > > > shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am wearing an > > > > pushpraj > > > > > stone, is it going to help me? > > > > > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house, will this > > > > > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in Dec 06, > > so I > > > > > would like to know what care I should take. > > > > > My Birth details are as follows: > > > > > B.09-07-1975 > > > > > B.Time: 09:05am > > > > > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India) > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards > > > > > Sagar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Mohanraaam! Oh!uhh! What an Arrogant Intolerance!..... What an irrelevant droool.... No doubt Hitler borrowed Swasthika from you upper caste Aryans. By not allowing any alternative discussions or bold questionings, is it not obvious that it is (people like)you who want to force your thinking and conditionings? SINCE WHEN DID YOU STARTED THINKING that YOU OWN VEDIC ASTROLOGY? My friend? RESPECT should not be demanded, it should come out of it's own, through one's heart. Otherwise it will lead to Slavery. Not for the sake of getting free advises, some body calls pranams,guruji's, etc. doesn't mean anything.... I am sure, you are uncomfortable to face the Harsh TRUTH. And I already made my Points crystal clear, which may seem uncomfortable to some. Readers are the Judges. You don't have to worry. You did not read it properly, You are diverting cleverly on the Points raised by me and creating an Image as if I am attacking or disrespectful to Dakshinamoorty Guruji, which was never the case. Cunning people like you will not escape, I can answer, even hundred letters on this subject and I have made some principled statements only. If you don't like, that's fine, but don't be a Hitler, by demanding to ban, throwing others etc... Your intolerance and egoism is quite obvious. Anyway, You still need to grow up a lot and understand many things. If you don't know the subject then just keep quite and learn, what is real astrology. "Not all that is Obvious is True." I never said any thing or there was anything personal, for what reason you are getting emotional and attributing some thing non-essential. I do respect all astrologer brothers on a equal and mutual basis. It was Never Personal, and I definitely respect the vedic knowledge and astrological knowledge of Dakshinamoorthiji, and never questioned his learning, that's why advanced points and reformative outlooks are pointed out. Don't think others don't know anything. I am also a Vedic-Indian Astrologer (Jyothish Visharada and other etc. etcs.....). I think You did not understand or not yet mature enough to understand the things. As time goes by, everything needs reformation and changes and modifications and some conservatives and vested interested groups always don't want them. That's the flow of the things, it is always resisted, thinking they are always right and they only are the most eligible to protect the masses. But out of reppression comes a new begining and that will be real answer for people like you. Only Time will tell and People will know the Truth about themselves. You don't need to take so much trouble. Your being is never reflected in the eyes of others. Your being you have to come to know only in one way -- and that is by closing your eyes to all the mirrors. You have to enter into your own inward existence, to face it directly. Nobody can give you any idea of it, what it is. You can know it, but not from others. It can never be a borrowed knowledge, it can only be a direct experience, a direct experiencing, immediate. ----The Discipline of Transcendence Vol. 1 #2 vedic astrology, "mohanraaam" <mohanraaam wrote: > > Dear "Aghorabhairav": > > YOu are not aware of the person against whom you are imputing > motives! Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is a very respected contributor of > this columns and ask the scores and scores of people benefitted by > his counsel whether he is bigotted.....Infact, Guruji is a living > example of integrating vedic values in a modern living. You have > written "IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY"....but your outlook and > approach itself is very negative. I can say without fear of > contradiction that Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is the most positive > astrologer I have ever met.....He never scares his clients; on the > contrary, he does his best to assuage the anxieties of those who sek > his help everyday. In spite of his busy schedule, he devotes his > time to post messages in this column so that learners of this subject > can get benefitted. He has lived a life steeped in spiritual > principles and when he says something, it is almost always correct. > > You have not read Guruji's post properly....He has very clearly > stated in the very first point that all pious persons with spiritual > values in life are Brahmins and not merely those who are Brahmins by > birth. In fact, this is Guruji's basic principle in life though he > himself was born as a Brahmin of the highest caste. Guruji used to > cite examples of great saints of various classes of society to stress > his point. Guruji's take on caste is that it may be relevant for > certain vedic karmaas of a normal human life; but once a person goes > beyond the limitations of mundane existence and treads the spiritual > path, there should be no distinction based on caste. > > Brahmana saapa exists....and it is supported in classics like Brihat > Parasara Hora Shaastra and various Naadi granthaas. If you do not > believe in all this, you are free to start your own forum on SO- > CALLED RADICAL ASTROLOGY. If a patient goes to a doctor with an > ailment, the treatment has to be given whether it is to the taste of > the patient or not......You cannot call a doctor as "POSITIVE MEDICAL > PRACTITIONER" if he just ignores the ailment and says "It does not > exist at all!" Your claiming to be a positive astrologer by assertin > g"There is not Brahmana saapaa at all" without analyzing the native's > horoscope is not positive astrology but idiocy at its heights. > Moreoever, the honourable member of this forum wanted advice on > Bramana saapa which he obviously believes in.....Learned Guruji > answered it to calm down the native. You must understand that Guruji > did not ask the hairpin for himself...he has no monetary interest in > this issue at all! He has also suggested an alternative of > sponsoring the vedic studies of a student to get rid of the curse. > Obviously it is a measure of charity! You can have alternate views > on issues; but you cannot brush away all previous authorities and > usurp the role of propogator of "Positive astrology". > > In one of your recent posts, you had wanted to quit the forum. > Kindly do so and do a service to this forum instead of spreading hate > in this forum of vedic knowledge. > > Otherwise, many members will be forced to demand your ban from this > group and throw you way with ignomity. > > Mohanraaam. > > vedic astrology, > "aghorabhairav" aghorabhairav@ wrote: > > > > > > IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY > > > > Dear Member > > > > > > > > I also can pity your ignorance! > > > > First point, How this person can be responsible for some imagined > karma > > done in some imagined precious birth? when is first Karma > committed? In > > which Birth? > > > > If it is not caused by any explicit nature, then what is the point > in > > making him suffer through guilt complex and some unknown unrelated > > person getting substantial benefit of Gold extracted from such > > gullibles? > > > > May I ask You, from which Shastra and out of which experience have > you > > suggested such a make belief remedy? > > > > > > > > And about harming others, My opinion is one should not harm EVEN any > > living being, they need not be especially "Brahmin" variety [] . > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > Ø The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of how > > >even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood! > > > > > > > > This statement implies that You are having an opinion that Brahmin > means > > by birth and thus implying the innate superior casteism in you is > quite > > obvious, so the bigotry IS IMPLIED. Sage Vishwamitra was a victim of > > Brahminical hypocrisy. His story shows that, even kings were highly > > manipulated by the brahminical castes at those times, which even > > continues now, unfortunately. > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > >What is the > > >point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? > > > > > > > > I did not brand everyone as a bigoted Brahmin priest, but I did > brand a > > bigoted Brahmin as a `Bigoted Brahmin', Why are you getting > > worried? Unless you are in to supporting them? > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > ? Faith is > > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut brains > > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified these > > rituals and practices in the past.... > > > > > > > > I am not saying anything against the Mahathmas or Sages who coded > these > > rituals for the benefit of Universe and the whole humanity. I am > just > > saying that there are some intelligent sections of the community who > > monopolized the whole issue and out of their selfish interests, > these > > sections (some) have misused to scare the general public and make > them > > pay up through their nose. Do you give guarantee that they are not > being > > misused? To scare the public and extract money and cheat the public? > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > Our motive should be to help him to come to > > positive terms with his life. > > > > > > > > But how can you? You Yourself are not Positive? And how can a > Expensive > > Golden Hairpin Solve all the Problems? I will guarantee you that, > > nothing is going to happen, whether he gifts the Golden Hairpin to a > > Brahmin or not. Please Stop this Natak (drama) and you are trying to > > explain all other unrelated stuff to support your mistake. You are > not > > really Enlightened Astrologer? Are You? Or just a Brahmin Caste > Pandith? > > > > Who think that astrology is their birth right or some thing etc.???? > > > > A Positive thinking, strength and a fearlessness to > face any > > challenge of life is what is needed. An inner transformation of the > > innate nature, to conquer and master one's own way of life is needed > > and an astrologer's job is to strengthen the positive traits of his > > client but not to scare him with negativity and take advantage of > his > > fears. I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but there is a > > school of thinking of Modern Astrologers, who advocate a Positive > > Astrology and Therapeutic Counselling compared to the majority of > > ancient astrologers and the so called pundits who write all > (mostly) the > > negative predictions of the life, making the client's life more > > miserable but in the end the Brahmin and the astrologer benefiting > from > > the Dakshinas. This is one of the major reasons, why astrology got > the > > bad name. There needs be more understanding of principles of > astrology > > and the application of sutras to modern life in more broader secular > > terms. > > > > > > > > As I am putting these as an alternative and radical modern thinking > for > > the future astrologers to keep in Mind and not to follow everything > > blindly or have a superior caste ego. An astrologer should be Ego- > Less > > and Rebellious first. And not expect too much or have a superiority > > complex. He has to experiment a lot and come to conclusions in a > > scientific and viable way. > > > > > > > > I repeat: > > > > Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted Brahmana Shapa etc. > > They are all Made out things And Additions later on, to make money > and > > get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of Society in the name > of > > Astrology. > > > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, > Meditations, > > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and > > Prayerfulness. > > > > > > > > And proceed happily with your life in a Positive Manner, Fearlessly. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes to All. > > > > > > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > > > > > > > Namasthay > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > > > > > > > PS: There are no assumptions of superiority, BUT only friendly > > discussions on principles. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Member: > > > > > > I can only pity your ignorance! Brahmana curse does not necessariy > > > arise out of "explicit curse" of a Brahmin. It is caused by any of > > > the following reasons: > > > > > > 1) Willful insult to a pious brahmin (here brahmin does not > > > necessarily mean the "narrow definition" by birth....any pious > person > > > with satwik qualities and engaged in spiritual pursuits and Aatma > > > bhaava is a Brahmin; one who upholds truthfulness is a > > > brahmin.....The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of > how > > > even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood!). > > > > > > 2) Imputing motives to the well-meaning shastraic suggestions of a > > > learned person. > > > > > > 3) Disrespect to scriptures and vedas (rational analysis of > > > scriptures is not a sin; but opiniated outbursts against shastras > is > > > a clear disrespect to shastras!). > > > > > > 4) Knowingly or unknowingly harming a true brahmin will lead to > > > brahminical curse. A true Brahmin may not even curse others...but, > > > the agony of the distressed soul will take the form of a > curse....at > > > least if the pious person had cursed, the results would have been > > > limited to the terms of the curse...but when a pious person just > > > feels the pain of an act and keeps quiet, the wrath of the deities > > > will definitely befall on the doer of that injustice as a powerful > > > curse that may continue for many births. Any person who curses > > > another invokes severe karma. The karmic wheel is true and > > > unfailing! Even great sages of yore have lost their hard-earned > > > tapasya powers by cursing others.....But, curses do have their > > > effects and that cannot be denied! If one stabs you with a knife > you > > > will die; that the other person invokes severe karma does not > prevent > > > you from getting hurt. In the same way, curses do have their > effect > > > if the curser is even marginally more powerful than you in terms > of > > > occult powers or mantra siddhi. > > > > > > This is a knowledge forum....and arguments should be based on > > > shastraic injunctions and not on mere surmises or hate on certain > > > castes/creeds! There are so many things that are not found in any > of > > > the books and come by tradition over countless years. You cannot > > > brush everything as being "invented" for money. Wrath is > unbecoming > > > of a scholar. There are some valid philosophical points in your > post > > > but your hate for certain sect is so palpable that it is the only > > > thing that will be obvious to the members reading your > post.....the > > > person who had raised query wants a solution and he is entering > into > > > a mundane life.....Our motive should be to help him to come to > > > positive terms with his life. Can the member who raised the query > > > afford to get married without a priest? Won't he feel the pressure > > > of his family or for that matter, the bride's family? What is the > > > point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? Faith is > > > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut > brains > > > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified > these > > > rituals and practices in the past....Let us not assume our own > > > superiority in these matters. This is my humble request. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > "aghorabhairav" aghorabhairav@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > SPREADING TOO MUCH SUPERSTITIONS IS TO BE CONDEMNED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can You Tell me who is a real Vedic Brahmana? IS there anybody? > > > > Really?.... > > > > > > > > I don't think Bigoted 'officiating priests' are real Vedic > > > Brahmanas. > > > > > > > > Also what kind of Karma will that Brahmana Who cursed will > undergo? > > > What > > > > kind of Remedy/Shanthi that Cursing real Vedic Brahmana DO? > > > > > > > > If he is really a real Vedic 'Brahmana' (who cannot/incapable of > > > control > > > > of any of his Indriyas), can he not control his/her anger/ > emotions? > > > > > > > > I say the better remedy is to curse back that real fake Vedic > > > Brahmana > > > > (who ever is supposed to have cursed you), and take out that > fear > > > from > > > > your Mind and Subconscious Conditioning by Superstitious > Thinking > > > (used > > > > by negative astrology), and proceed happily with your life in a > > > Positive > > > > Manner, Fearlessly. Don't worry, there are no such things as > Bigoted > > > > Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And Additions > > > later on, > > > > to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes > of > > > > Society in the name of Astrology. > > > > > > > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, > > > Meditations, > > > > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality > and > > > > Prayerfulness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes to All. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namasthay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sagarvpatil: > > > > > > > > > > You may gift a golden hair-pin to your prospective bride on > the > > > day > > > > > of the betrothal (the day before the marriage). The bride > should > > > > > wear it throughout the marriage ceremony. After the > saptapathi and > > > > > mangala sutra dhaaranam are over, you must gift this hair-pin > to a > > > > > vedic brahmin praying that all brahmana curses should be > > > neutralized > > > > > by this gift to a vedic brahmin. You can offer the hair-pin as > > > gift > > > > > to the officiating priest of the marriage. Do this with full > faith > > > > > and with the attitude that you are offering this gift to the > Veda > > > > > purushaa Himself without having any doubts as to whether the > > > > > recipient of the gift is qualified for that exalted status! > Our > > > > > attitude can cover up for the possible deficiency of the > > > recipient.... > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, you can sponsor a samaaradhana for one day in a > veda > > > > > patasaala and honour the vedic teachers and students if you > can > > > make > > > > > a visit to a patasala like that. > > > > > > > > > > Curses are overcome by donations and charities rather than by > > > wearing > > > > > the concerned gemstones ourselves! > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > > > "sagarvpatil" sagarvpatil@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujis, > > > > > > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th > house(Gemini) > > > and > > > > > > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter is in 8th house in > > > Meena > > > > > > Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects > because of > > > > > this > > > > > > shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am wearing an > > > > > pushpraj > > > > > > stone, is it going to help me? > > > > > > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house, will > this > > > > > > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in Dec > 06, > > > so I > > > > > > would like to know what care I should take. > > > > > > My Birth details are as follows: > > > > > > B.09-07-1975 > > > > > > B.Time: 09:05am > > > > > > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India) > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards > > > > > > Sagar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Dear Ananda, Every member of this forum are all well aware that Pandit Dakshinamoorthy is a well read person and respected by every one in this forum. Infact, though it is open an forum but many members in this forum seek answers to their query from Panditji alone, it shows his high level of knowledge in vedic astrology. Hence I request when when you refute some one opinions/suggestions that too some one of Panditiji Stature some amout of restraint/caution is required before addressing your opinons. Ramanathan Balaji aghorabhairav <aghorabhairav .au> wrote: IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY Dear Member I also can pity your ignorance! First point, How this person can be responsible for some imagined karma done in some imagined precious birth? when is first Karma committed? In which Birth? If it is not caused by any explicit nature, then what is the point in making him suffer through guilt complex and some unknown unrelated person getting substantial benefit of Gold extracted from such gullibles? May I ask You, from which Shastra and out of which experience have you suggested such a make belief remedy? And about harming others, My opinion is one should not harm EVEN any living being, they need not be especially "Brahmin" variety [] . Here you say: Ø The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of how >even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood! This statement implies that You are having an opinion that Brahmin means by birth and thus implying the innate superior casteism in you is quite obvious, so the bigotry IS IMPLIED. Sage Vishwamitra was a victim of Brahminical hypocrisy. His story shows that, even kings were highly manipulated by the brahminical castes at those times, which even continues now, unfortunately. Here you say: >What is the >point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? I did not brand everyone as a bigoted Brahmin priest, but I did brand a bigoted Brahmin as a `Bigoted Brahmin', Why are you getting worried? Unless you are in to supporting them? Here you say: ? Faith is most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut brains are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified these rituals and practices in the past.... I am not saying anything against the Mahathmas or Sages who coded these rituals for the benefit of Universe and the whole humanity. I am just saying that there are some intelligent sections of the community who monopolized the whole issue and out of their selfish interests, these sections (some) have misused to scare the general public and make them pay up through their nose. Do you give guarantee that they are not being misused? To scare the public and extract money and cheat the public? Here you say: Our motive should be to help him to come to positive terms with his life. But how can you? You Yourself are not Positive? And how can a Expensive Golden Hairpin Solve all the Problems? I will guarantee you that, nothing is going to happen, whether he gifts the Golden Hairpin to a Brahmin or not. Please Stop this Natak (drama) and you are trying to explain all other unrelated stuff to support your mistake. You are not really Enlightened Astrologer? Are You? Or just a Brahmin Caste Pandith? Who think that astrology is their birth right or some thing etc.???? A Positive thinking, strength and a fearlessness to face any challenge of life is what is needed. An inner transformation of the innate nature, to conquer and master one's own way of life is needed and an astrologer's job is to strengthen the positive traits of his client but not to scare him with negativity and take advantage of his fears. I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but there is a school of thinking of Modern Astrologers, who advocate a Positive Astrology and Therapeutic Counselling compared to the majority of ancient astrologers and the so called pundits who write all (mostly) the negative predictions of the life, making the client's life more miserable but in the end the Brahmin and the astrologer benefiting from the Dakshinas. This is one of the major reasons, why astrology got the bad name. There needs be more understanding of principles of astrology and the application of sutras to modern life in more broader secular terms. As I am putting these as an alternative and radical modern thinking for the future astrologers to keep in Mind and not to follow everything blindly or have a superior caste ego. An astrologer should be Ego-Less and Rebellious first. And not expect too much or have a superiority complex. He has to experiment a lot and come to conclusions in a scientific and viable way. I repeat: Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And Additions later on, to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of Society in the name of Astrology. The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, Meditations, Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and Prayerfulness. And proceed happily with your life in a Positive Manner, Fearlessly. Best Wishes to All. May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. Namasthay Best Wishes, -------Ananda Sunkanpally PS: There are no assumptions of superiority, BUT only friendly discussions on principles. vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > Dear Member: > > I can only pity your ignorance! Brahmana curse does not necessariy > arise out of "explicit curse" of a Brahmin. It is caused by any of > the following reasons: > > 1) Willful insult to a pious brahmin (here brahmin does not > necessarily mean the "narrow definition" by birth....any pious person > with satwik qualities and engaged in spiritual pursuits and Aatma > bhaava is a Brahmin; one who upholds truthfulness is a > brahmin.....The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of how > even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood!). > > 2) Imputing motives to the well-meaning shastraic suggestions of a > learned person. > > 3) Disrespect to scriptures and vedas (rational analysis of > scriptures is not a sin; but opiniated outbursts against shastras is > a clear disrespect to shastras!). > > 4) Knowingly or unknowingly harming a true brahmin will lead to > brahminical curse. A true Brahmin may not even curse others...but, > the agony of the distressed soul will take the form of a curse....at > least if the pious person had cursed, the results would have been > limited to the terms of the curse...but when a pious person just > feels the pain of an act and keeps quiet, the wrath of the deities > will definitely befall on the doer of that injustice as a powerful > curse that may continue for many births. Any person who curses > another invokes severe karma. The karmic wheel is true and > unfailing! Even great sages of yore have lost their hard-earned > tapasya powers by cursing others.....But, curses do have their > effects and that cannot be denied! If one stabs you with a knife you > will die; that the other person invokes severe karma does not prevent > you from getting hurt. In the same way, curses do have their effect > if the curser is even marginally more powerful than you in terms of > occult powers or mantra siddhi. > > This is a knowledge forum....and arguments should be based on > shastraic injunctions and not on mere surmises or hate on certain > castes/creeds! There are so many things that are not found in any of > the books and come by tradition over countless years. You cannot > brush everything as being "invented" for money. Wrath is unbecoming > of a scholar. There are some valid philosophical points in your post > but your hate for certain sect is so palpable that it is the only > thing that will be obvious to the members reading your post.....the > person who had raised query wants a solution and he is entering into > a mundane life.....Our motive should be to help him to come to > positive terms with his life. Can the member who raised the query > afford to get married without a priest? Won't he feel the pressure > of his family or for that matter, the bride's family? What is the > point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? Faith is > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut brains > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified these > rituals and practices in the past....Let us not assume our own > superiority in these matters. This is my humble request. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology, > "aghorabhairav" aghorabhairav@ wrote: > > > > > > SPREADING TOO MUCH SUPERSTITIONS IS TO BE CONDEMNED. > > > > > > > > Can You Tell me who is a real Vedic Brahmana? IS there anybody? > > Really?.... > > > > I don't think Bigoted 'officiating priests' are real Vedic > Brahmanas. > > > > Also what kind of Karma will that Brahmana Who cursed will undergo? > What > > kind of Remedy/Shanthi that Cursing real Vedic Brahmana DO? > > > > If he is really a real Vedic 'Brahmana' (who cannot/incapable of > control > > of any of his Indriyas), can he not control his/her anger/emotions? > > > > I say the better remedy is to curse back that real fake Vedic > Brahmana > > (who ever is supposed to have cursed you), and take out that fear > from > > your Mind and Subconscious Conditioning by Superstitious Thinking > (used > > by negative astrology), and proceed happily with your life in a > Positive > > Manner, Fearlessly. Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted > > Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And Additions > later on, > > to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of > > Society in the name of Astrology. > > > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, > Meditations, > > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and > > Prayerfulness. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes to All. > > > > > > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > > > > > > > Namasthay > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sagarvpatil: > > > > > > You may gift a golden hair-pin to your prospective bride on the > day > > > of the betrothal (the day before the marriage). The bride should > > > wear it throughout the marriage ceremony. After the saptapathi and > > > mangala sutra dhaaranam are over, you must gift this hair-pin to a > > > vedic brahmin praying that all brahmana curses should be > neutralized > > > by this gift to a vedic brahmin. You can offer the hair-pin as > gift > > > to the officiating priest of the marriage. Do this with full faith > > > and with the attitude that you are offering this gift to the Veda > > > purushaa Himself without having any doubts as to whether the > > > recipient of the gift is qualified for that exalted status! Our > > > attitude can cover up for the possible deficiency of the > recipient.... > > > > > > Otherwise, you can sponsor a samaaradhana for one day in a veda > > > patasaala and honour the vedic teachers and students if you can > make > > > a visit to a patasala like that. > > > > > > Curses are overcome by donations and charities rather than by > wearing > > > the concerned gemstones ourselves! > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > "sagarvpatil" sagarvpatil@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujis, > > > > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th house(Gemini) > and > > > > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter is in 8th house in > Meena > > > > Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects because of > > > this > > > > shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am wearing an > > > pushpraj > > > > stone, is it going to help me? > > > > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house, will this > > > > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in Dec 06, > so I > > > > would like to know what care I should take. > > > > My Birth details are as follows: > > > > B.09-07-1975 > > > > B.Time: 09:05am > > > > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India) > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards > > > > Sagar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 dear friends let us take the negative comments written by aghorabhairav as critical analysis and supplement with more information supporting pandit dakshinamoorthiji's observations rather than matching words. let us stick to facts. several classics mention various shapas like curses by parents, brahmin, wife, brother, guru and snake. if aghorabhairav is not aware of their mention in the ancient classics, we will be glad to furnish the sanskrit slokas along with verse numbers from these classics so that he will be convinced that they do EXIST in the first place. on a holistic noe, speaking rationally in a modern man's perspective also, curses and blessings of parents, masters and sages do change the course of a native as these are the people from whom the native only gets benefited and shall always strive to get only blessings. as regards caste is concerned, it is written in the holy classics clearly that all humans by birth are shudras and only by karmas (deeds) one falls under the broad four caste system akin to an employee classified under worker, manager, fieldstaff and support services. as regards remedies are concerned, it is faith which matters and if the native has faith in the astrologer and does the remedy with absolute faith, he would definitely get positive results. the noble contributing members like pandit dakshinamoorthiji and others here are giving free remedies to various problems faced by the querents. if the native comes back saying that he cannot afford donation of a golden hairpin, surely he will suggest alternate inhouse, inexpensive or zero cost yet efficacious remedies. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun vedic astrology, "mohanraaam" <mohanraaam wrote: > > Dear "Aghorabhairav": > > YOu are not aware of the person against whom you are imputing > motives! Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is a very respected contributor of > this columns and ask the scores and scores of people benefitted by > his counsel whether he is bigotted.....Infact, Guruji is a living > example of integrating vedic values in a modern living. You have > written "IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY"....but your outlook and > approach itself is very negative. I can say without fear of > contradiction that Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is the most positive > astrologer I have ever met.....He never scares his clients; on the > contrary, he does his best to assuage the anxieties of those who sek > his help everyday. In spite of his busy schedule, he devotes his > time to post messages in this column so that learners of this subject > can get benefitted. He has lived a life steeped in spiritual > principles and when he says something, it is almost always correct. > > You have not read Guruji's post properly....He has very clearly > stated in the very first point that all pious persons with spiritual > values in life are Brahmins and not merely those who are Brahmins by > birth. In fact, this is Guruji's basic principle in life though he > himself was born as a Brahmin of the highest caste. Guruji used to > cite examples of great saints of various classes of society to stress > his point. Guruji's take on caste is that it may be relevant for > certain vedic karmaas of a normal human life; but once a person goes > beyond the limitations of mundane existence and treads the spiritual > path, there should be no distinction based on caste. > > Brahmana saapa exists....and it is supported in classics like Brihat > Parasara Hora Shaastra and various Naadi granthaas. If you do not > believe in all this, you are free to start your own forum on SO- > CALLED RADICAL ASTROLOGY. If a patient goes to a doctor with an > ailment, the treatment has to be given whether it is to the taste of > the patient or not......You cannot call a doctor as "POSITIVE MEDICAL > PRACTITIONER" if he just ignores the ailment and says "It does not > exist at all!" Your claiming to be a positive astrologer by assertin > g"There is not Brahmana saapaa at all" without analyzing the native's > horoscope is not positive astrology but idiocy at its heights. > Moreoever, the honourable member of this forum wanted advice on > Bramana saapa which he obviously believes in.....Learned Guruji > answered it to calm down the native. You must understand that Guruji > did not ask the hairpin for himself...he has no monetary interest in > this issue at all! He has also suggested an alternative of > sponsoring the vedic studies of a student to get rid of the curse. > Obviously it is a measure of charity! You can have alternate views > on issues; but you cannot brush away all previous authorities and > usurp the role of propogator of "Positive astrology". > > In one of your recent posts, you had wanted to quit the forum. > Kindly do so and do a service to this forum instead of spreading hate > in this forum of vedic knowledge. > > Otherwise, many members will be forced to demand your ban from this > group and throw you way with ignomity. > > Mohanraaam. > > vedic astrology, > "aghorabhairav" <aghorabhairav@> wrote: > > > > > > IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY > > > > Dear Member > > > > > > > > I also can pity your ignorance! > > > > First point, How this person can be responsible for some imagined > karma > > done in some imagined precious birth? when is first Karma > committed? In > > which Birth? > > > > If it is not caused by any explicit nature, then what is the point > in > > making him suffer through guilt complex and some unknown unrelated > > person getting substantial benefit of Gold extracted from such > > gullibles? > > > > May I ask You, from which Shastra and out of which experience have > you > > suggested such a make belief remedy? > > > > > > > > And about harming others, My opinion is one should not harm EVEN any > > living being, they need not be especially "Brahmin" variety [] . > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > Ø The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of how > > >even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood! > > > > > > > > This statement implies that You are having an opinion that Brahmin > means > > by birth and thus implying the innate superior casteism in you is > quite > > obvious, so the bigotry IS IMPLIED. Sage Vishwamitra was a victim of > > Brahminical hypocrisy. His story shows that, even kings were highly > > manipulated by the brahminical castes at those times, which even > > continues now, unfortunately. > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > >What is the > > >point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? > > > > > > > > I did not brand everyone as a bigoted Brahmin priest, but I did > brand a > > bigoted Brahmin as a `Bigoted Brahmin', Why are you getting > > worried? Unless you are in to supporting them? > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > ? Faith is > > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut brains > > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified these > > rituals and practices in the past.... > > > > > > > > I am not saying anything against the Mahathmas or Sages who coded > these > > rituals for the benefit of Universe and the whole humanity. I am > just > > saying that there are some intelligent sections of the community who > > monopolized the whole issue and out of their selfish interests, > these > > sections (some) have misused to scare the general public and make > them > > pay up through their nose. Do you give guarantee that they are not > being > > misused? To scare the public and extract money and cheat the public? > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > Our motive should be to help him to come to > > positive terms with his life. > > > > > > > > But how can you? You Yourself are not Positive? And how can a > Expensive > > Golden Hairpin Solve all the Problems? I will guarantee you that, > > nothing is going to happen, whether he gifts the Golden Hairpin to a > > Brahmin or not. Please Stop this Natak (drama) and you are trying to > > explain all other unrelated stuff to support your mistake. You are > not > > really Enlightened Astrologer? Are You? Or just a Brahmin Caste > Pandith? > > > > Who think that astrology is their birth right or some thing etc.???? > > > > A Positive thinking, strength and a fearlessness to > face any > > challenge of life is what is needed. An inner transformation of the > > innate nature, to conquer and master one's own way of life is needed > > and an astrologer's job is to strengthen the positive traits of his > > client but not to scare him with negativity and take advantage of > his > > fears. I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but there is a > > school of thinking of Modern Astrologers, who advocate a Positive > > Astrology and Therapeutic Counselling compared to the majority of > > ancient astrologers and the so called pundits who write all > (mostly) the > > negative predictions of the life, making the client's life more > > miserable but in the end the Brahmin and the astrologer benefiting > from > > the Dakshinas. This is one of the major reasons, why astrology got > the > > bad name. There needs be more understanding of principles of > astrology > > and the application of sutras to modern life in more broader secular > > terms. > > > > > > > > As I am putting these as an alternative and radical modern thinking > for > > the future astrologers to keep in Mind and not to follow everything > > blindly or have a superior caste ego. An astrologer should be Ego- > Less > > and Rebellious first. And not expect too much or have a superiority > > complex. He has to experiment a lot and come to conclusions in a > > scientific and viable way. > > > > > > > > I repeat: > > > > Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted Brahmana Shapa etc. > > They are all Made out things And Additions later on, to make money > and > > get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of Society in the name > of > > Astrology. > > > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, > Meditations, > > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and > > Prayerfulness. > > > > > > > > And proceed happily with your life in a Positive Manner, Fearlessly. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes to All. > > > > > > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > > > > > > > Namasthay > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > > > > > > > PS: There are no assumptions of superiority, BUT only friendly > > discussions on principles. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Member: > > > > > > I can only pity your ignorance! Brahmana curse does not necessariy > > > arise out of "explicit curse" of a Brahmin. It is caused by any of > > > the following reasons: > > > > > > 1) Willful insult to a pious brahmin (here brahmin does not > > > necessarily mean the "narrow definition" by birth....any pious > person > > > with satwik qualities and engaged in spiritual pursuits and Aatma > > > bhaava is a Brahmin; one who upholds truthfulness is a > > > brahmin.....The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of > how > > > even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood!). > > > > > > 2) Imputing motives to the well-meaning shastraic suggestions of a > > > learned person. > > > > > > 3) Disrespect to scriptures and vedas (rational analysis of > > > scriptures is not a sin; but opiniated outbursts against shastras > is > > > a clear disrespect to shastras!). > > > > > > 4) Knowingly or unknowingly harming a true brahmin will lead to > > > brahminical curse. A true Brahmin may not even curse others...but, > > > the agony of the distressed soul will take the form of a > curse....at > > > least if the pious person had cursed, the results would have been > > > limited to the terms of the curse...but when a pious person just > > > feels the pain of an act and keeps quiet, the wrath of the deities > > > will definitely befall on the doer of that injustice as a powerful > > > curse that may continue for many births. Any person who curses > > > another invokes severe karma. The karmic wheel is true and > > > unfailing! Even great sages of yore have lost their hard-earned > > > tapasya powers by cursing others.....But, curses do have their > > > effects and that cannot be denied! If one stabs you with a knife > you > > > will die; that the other person invokes severe karma does not > prevent > > > you from getting hurt. In the same way, curses do have their > effect > > > if the curser is even marginally more powerful than you in terms > of > > > occult powers or mantra siddhi. > > > > > > This is a knowledge forum....and arguments should be based on > > > shastraic injunctions and not on mere surmises or hate on certain > > > castes/creeds! There are so many things that are not found in any > of > > > the books and come by tradition over countless years. You cannot > > > brush everything as being "invented" for money. Wrath is > unbecoming > > > of a scholar. There are some valid philosophical points in your > post > > > but your hate for certain sect is so palpable that it is the only > > > thing that will be obvious to the members reading your > post.....the > > > person who had raised query wants a solution and he is entering > into > > > a mundane life.....Our motive should be to help him to come to > > > positive terms with his life. Can the member who raised the query > > > afford to get married without a priest? Won't he feel the pressure > > > of his family or for that matter, the bride's family? What is the > > > point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? Faith is > > > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut > brains > > > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified > these > > > rituals and practices in the past....Let us not assume our own > > > superiority in these matters. This is my humble request. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > "aghorabhairav" aghorabhairav@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > SPREADING TOO MUCH SUPERSTITIONS IS TO BE CONDEMNED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can You Tell me who is a real Vedic Brahmana? IS there anybody? > > > > Really?.... > > > > > > > > I don't think Bigoted 'officiating priests' are real Vedic > > > Brahmanas. > > > > > > > > Also what kind of Karma will that Brahmana Who cursed will > undergo? > > > What > > > > kind of Remedy/Shanthi that Cursing real Vedic Brahmana DO? > > > > > > > > If he is really a real Vedic 'Brahmana' (who cannot/incapable of > > > control > > > > of any of his Indriyas), can he not control his/her anger/ > emotions? > > > > > > > > I say the better remedy is to curse back that real fake Vedic > > > Brahmana > > > > (who ever is supposed to have cursed you), and take out that > fear > > > from > > > > your Mind and Subconscious Conditioning by Superstitious > Thinking > > > (used > > > > by negative astrology), and proceed happily with your life in a > > > Positive > > > > Manner, Fearlessly. Don't worry, there are no such things as > Bigoted > > > > Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And Additions > > > later on, > > > > to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes > of > > > > Society in the name of Astrology. > > > > > > > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, > > > Meditations, > > > > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality > and > > > > Prayerfulness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes to All. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namasthay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sagarvpatil: > > > > > > > > > > You may gift a golden hair-pin to your prospective bride on > the > > > day > > > > > of the betrothal (the day before the marriage). The bride > should > > > > > wear it throughout the marriage ceremony. After the > saptapathi and > > > > > mangala sutra dhaaranam are over, you must gift this hair- pin > to a > > > > > vedic brahmin praying that all brahmana curses should be > > > neutralized > > > > > by this gift to a vedic brahmin. You can offer the hair-pin as > > > gift > > > > > to the officiating priest of the marriage. Do this with full > faith > > > > > and with the attitude that you are offering this gift to the > Veda > > > > > purushaa Himself without having any doubts as to whether the > > > > > recipient of the gift is qualified for that exalted status! > Our > > > > > attitude can cover up for the possible deficiency of the > > > recipient.... > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, you can sponsor a samaaradhana for one day in a > veda > > > > > patasaala and honour the vedic teachers and students if you > can > > > make > > > > > a visit to a patasala like that. > > > > > > > > > > Curses are overcome by donations and charities rather than by > > > wearing > > > > > the concerned gemstones ourselves! > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > > > "sagarvpatil" sagarvpatil@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujis, > > > > > > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th > house(Gemini) > > > and > > > > > > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter is in 8th house in > > > Meena > > > > > > Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects > because of > > > > > this > > > > > > shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am wearing an > > > > > pushpraj > > > > > > stone, is it going to help me? > > > > > > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house, will > this > > > > > > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in Dec > 06, > > > so I > > > > > > would like to know what care I should take. > > > > > > My Birth details are as follows: > > > > > > B.09-07-1975 > > > > > > B.Time: 09:05am > > > > > > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India) > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards > > > > > > Sagar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Om shri gurave namah: Respected Sh.Mohanraam. I fully agree with you that Sh. Dakshnamoorthi is an esteemed member of the form. He guides the members in distress and he is a valued contributor. His vedic remedies are one of the best remedies. So far as karma of the previous life is concern, if one believes in astrology, he has to believe in karma theory. Other wise he can not believes and is not an astrologer. The brahman shapa is based on the affliction of Jupiter, lagna lord, 7th lord,9th lord and 5th lord and 5th house.Such a native has no child. (BPHS chapter 86) (his children does not obey him or his children bring bad name to him or his chilren are cause of sorrow to him. these are my own observations.)All these are due to shapa. Sage Parashar has given remedies for the same.These remedies can be according to the Desh, Kala and Patra. So far as brahman Shapa is concern BPHS gives: (1) When Rahu is posited in sign of Jupiter i.e. Sagittarius or Pisces, and Jupiter, Mars and Saturn are posited in 5th house and 9th lord in 8th house. (2)When 9th lord is posited in 5th house, 5th lord in 8th house and jupiter is conjoined with Mars and Rahu etc other yoga for brahman shapa has been give. BPHS is the basis for present days astrology. If it is not accepted, how can other part of astrology can be acceptd. I bow to the feet of Dakshnamoortthi who in real sense selflessly is serviing the members. --- mohanraaam <mohanraaam (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Dear "Aghorabhairav": > > YOu are not aware of the person against whom you are > imputing > motives! Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is a very > respected contributor of > this columns and ask the scores and scores of people > benefitted by > his counsel whether he is bigotted.....Infact, > Guruji is a living > example of integrating vedic values in a modern > living. You have > written "IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY"....but > your outlook and > approach itself is very negative. I can say without > fear of > contradiction that Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is the > most positive > astrologer I have ever met.....He never scares his > clients; on the > contrary, he does his best to assuage the anxieties > of those who sek > his help everyday. In spite of his busy schedule, > he devotes his > time to post messages in this column so that > learners of this subject > can get benefitted. He has lived a life steeped in > spiritual > principles and when he says something, it is almost > always correct. > > You have not read Guruji's post properly....He has > very clearly > stated in the very first point that all pious > persons with spiritual > values in life are Brahmins and not merely those who > are Brahmins by > birth. In fact, this is Guruji's basic principle in > life though he > himself was born as a Brahmin of the highest caste. > Guruji used to > cite examples of great saints of various classes of > society to stress > his point. Guruji's take on caste is that it may be > relevant for > certain vedic karmaas of a normal human life; but > once a person goes > beyond the limitations of mundane existence and > treads the spiritual > path, there should be no distinction based on caste. > > Brahmana saapa exists....and it is supported in > classics like Brihat > Parasara Hora Shaastra and various Naadi granthaas. > If you do not > believe in all this, you are free to start your own > forum on SO- > CALLED RADICAL ASTROLOGY. If a patient goes to a > doctor with an > ailment, the treatment has to be given whether it is > to the taste of > the patient or not......You cannot call a doctor as > "POSITIVE MEDICAL > PRACTITIONER" if he just ignores the ailment and > says "It does not > exist at all!" Your claiming to be a positive > astrologer by assertin > g"There is not Brahmana saapaa at all" without > analyzing the native's > horoscope is not positive astrology but idiocy at > its heights. > Moreoever, the honourable member of this forum > wanted advice on > Bramana saapa which he obviously believes > in.....Learned Guruji > answered it to calm down the native. You must > understand that Guruji > did not ask the hairpin for himself...he has no > monetary interest in > this issue at all! He has also suggested an > alternative of > sponsoring the vedic studies of a student to get rid > of the curse. > Obviously it is a measure of charity! You can have > alternate views > on issues; but you cannot brush away all previous > authorities and > usurp the role of propogator of "Positive > astrology". > > In one of your recent posts, you had wanted to quit > the forum. > Kindly do so and do a service to this forum instead > of spreading hate > in this forum of vedic knowledge. > > Otherwise, many members will be forced to demand > your ban from this > group and throw you way with ignomity. > > Mohanraaam. > > vedic astrology, > "aghorabhairav" <aghorabhairav wrote: > > > > > > IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE > ASTROLOGY > > > > Dear Member > > > > > > > > I also can pity your ignorance! > > > > First point, How this person can be responsible > for some imagined > karma > > done in some imagined precious birth? when is > first Karma > committed? In > > which Birth? > > > > If it is not caused by any explicit nature, then > what is the point > in > > making him suffer through guilt complex and some > unknown unrelated > > person getting substantial benefit of Gold > extracted from such > > gullibles? > > > > May I ask You, from which Shastra and out of which > experience have > you > > suggested such a make belief remedy? > > > > > > > > And about harming others, My opinion is one should > not harm EVEN any > > living being, they need not be especially > "Brahmin" variety [] . > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > Ø The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical > example of how > > >even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood! > > > > > > > > This statement implies that You are having an > opinion that Brahmin > means > > by birth and thus implying the innate superior > casteism in you is > quite > > obvious, so the bigotry IS IMPLIED. Sage > Vishwamitra was a victim of > > Brahminical hypocrisy. His story shows that, even > kings were highly > > manipulated by the brahminical castes at those > times, which even > > continues now, unfortunately. > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > >What is the > > >point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin > priest? > > > > > > > > I did not brand everyone as a bigoted Brahmin > priest, but I did > brand a > > bigoted Brahmin as a `Bigoted Brahmin', Why are > you getting > > worried? Unless you are in to supporting them? > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > ? Faith is > > most essential in matters of spirituality because > our peanut brains > > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas > who codified these > > rituals and practices in the past.... > > > > > > > > I am not saying anything against the Mahathmas or > Sages who coded > these > > rituals for the benefit of Universe and the whole > humanity. I am > just > > saying that there are some intelligent sections of > the community who > > monopolized the whole issue and out of their > selfish interests, > these > > sections (some) have misused to scare the general > public and make > them > > pay up through their nose. Do you give guarantee > that they are not > being > > misused? To scare the public and extract money and > cheat the public? > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > Our motive should be to help him to come to > > positive terms with his life. > > > > > > > > But how can you? You Yourself are not Positive? > And how can a > Expensive > > Golden Hairpin Solve all the Problems? I will > guarantee you that, > > nothing is going to happen, whether he gifts the > Golden Hairpin to a > > Brahmin or not. Please Stop this Natak (drama) and > you are trying to > > explain all other unrelated stuff to support your > mistake. You are > not > > really Enlightened Astrologer? Are You? Or just a > Brahmin Caste > Pandith? > > > > Who think that astrology is their birth right or > some thing etc.???? > > > > A Positive thinking, strength and a > fearlessness to > face any > > challenge of life is what is needed. An inner > transformation of the > > innate nature, to conquer and master one's own way > of life is needed > > and an astrologer's job is to strengthen the > positive traits of his > > client but not to scare him with negativity and > take advantage of > his > > fears. I don't know if you are aware of this or > not, but there is a > > school of thinking of Modern Astrologers, who > advocate a Positive > > Astrology and Therapeutic Counselling compared to > the majority of > > ancient astrologers and the so called pundits who > write all > (mostly) the > > negative predictions of the life, making the > client's life more > > miserable but in the end the Brahmin and the > astrologer benefiting > from > > the Dakshinas. This is one of the major reasons, > why astrology got > the > > bad name. There needs be more understanding of > principles of > astrology > > and the application of sutras to modern life in > more broader secular > > terms. > > > > > > > > As I am putting these as an alternative and > radical modern thinking > for > > the future astrologers to keep in Mind and not to > follow everything > > blindly or have a superior caste ego. An > astrologer should be Ego- > Less > > and Rebellious first. And not expect too much or > have a superiority > > complex. He has to experiment a lot and come to > conclusions in a > > scientific and viable way. > > > > > > > > I repeat: > > > > Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted > Brahmana Shapa etc. > > They are all Made out things And Additions later > on, to make money > and > > get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of > Society in the name > of > > Astrology. > > > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, > Universalness, > Meditations, > > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, > GupthaDana, Equality and > > Prayerfulness. > > > > > > > > And proceed happily with your life in a Positive > Manner, Fearlessly. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes to All. > > > > > > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > > > > > > > Namasthay > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > > > > > > > PS: There are no assumptions of superiority, BUT > only friendly > > discussions on principles. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > "dakshinastrologer" > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Member: > > > > > > I can only pity your ignorance! Brahmana curse > does not necessariy > > > arise out of "explicit curse" of a Brahmin. It > is caused by any of > > > the following reasons: > > > > > > 1) Willful insult to a pious brahmin (here > brahmin does not > > > necessarily mean the "narrow definition" by > birth....any pious > person > > > with satwik qualities and engaged in spiritual > pursuits and Aatma > > > bhaava is a Brahmin; one who upholds > truthfulness is a > > > brahmin.....The story of SAge Viswamitra is a > typical example of > how > > > even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood!). > > > > > > 2) Imputing motives to the well-meaning > shastraic suggestions of a > > > learned person. > > > > > > 3) Disrespect to scriptures and vedas (rational > analysis of > > > scriptures is not a sin; but opiniated outbursts > against shastras > is > > > a clear disrespect to shastras!). > > > > > > 4) Knowingly or unknowingly harming a true > brahmin will lead to > > > brahminical curse. A true Brahmin may not even > curse others...but, > > > the agony of the distressed soul will take the > form of a > curse....at > > > least if the pious person had cursed, the > results would have been > > > limited to the terms of the curse...but when a > pious person just > > > feels the pain of an act and keeps quiet, the > wrath of the deities > > > will definitely befall on the doer of that > injustice as a powerful > > > curse that may continue for many births. Any > person who curses > > > another invokes severe karma. The karmic wheel > is true and > > > unfailing! Even great sages of yore have lost > their hard-earned > > > tapasya powers by cursing others.....But, curses > do have their > > > effects and that cannot be denied! If one stabs > you with a knife > you > > > will die; that the other person invokes severe > karma does not > prevent > > > you from getting hurt. In the same way, curses > do have their > effect > > > if the curser is even marginally more powerful > than you in terms > of > > > occult powers or mantra siddhi. > > > > > > This is a knowledge forum....and arguments > should be based on > > > shastraic injunctions and not on mere surmises > or hate on certain > > > castes/creeds! There are so many things that are > not found in any > of > > > the books and come by tradition over countless > years. You cannot > > > brush everything as being "invented" for money. > Wrath is > unbecoming > > > of a scholar. There are some valid philosophical > points in your > post > > > but your hate for certain sect is so palpable > that it is the only > > > thing that will be obvious to the members > reading your > post.....the > > > person who had raised query wants a solution and > he is entering > into > > > a mundane life.....Our motive should be to help > him to come to > > > positive terms with his life. Can the member who > raised the query > > > afford to get married without a priest? Won't he > feel the pressure > > > of his family or for that matter, the bride's > family? What is the > > > point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin > priest? Faith is > > > most essential in matters of spirituality > because our peanut > brains > > > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas > who codified > these > > > rituals and practices in the past....Let us not > assume our own > > > superiority in these matters. This is my humble > request. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > "aghorabhairav" aghorabhairav@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > SPREADING TOO MUCH SUPERSTITIONS IS TO BE > CONDEMNED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can You Tell me who is a real Vedic Brahmana? > IS there anybody? > > > > Really?.... > > > > > > > > I don't think Bigoted 'officiating priests' > are real Vedic > > > Brahmanas. > > > > > > > > Also what kind of Karma will that Brahmana Who > cursed will > undergo? > > > What > > > > kind of Remedy/Shanthi that Cursing real Vedic > Brahmana DO? > > > > > > > > If he is really a real Vedic 'Brahmana' (who > cannot/incapable of > > > control > > > > of any of his Indriyas), can he not control > his/her anger/ > emotions? > > > > > > > > I say the better remedy is to curse back that > real fake Vedic > > > Brahmana > > > > (who ever is supposed to have cursed you), and > take out that > fear > > > from > > > > your Mind and Subconscious Conditioning by > Superstitious > Thinking > > > (used > > > > by negative astrology), and proceed happily > with your life in a > > > Positive > > > > Manner, Fearlessly. Don't worry, there are no > such things as > Bigoted > > > > Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out > things And Additions > > > later on, > > > > to make money and get Dakshinas by > Unproductive Castes/Classes > of > > > > Society in the name of Astrology. > > > > > > > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, > Universalness, > > > Meditations, > > > > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, > GupthaDana, Equality > and > > > > Prayerfulness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes to All. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namasthay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > "dakshinastrologer" > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sagarvpatil: > > > > > > > > > > You may gift a golden hair-pin to your > prospective bride on > the > > > day > > > > > of the betrothal (the day before the > marriage). The bride > should > > > > > wear it throughout the marriage ceremony. > After the > saptapathi and > > > > > mangala sutra dhaaranam are over, you must > gift this hair-pin > to a > > > > > vedic brahmin praying that all brahmana > curses should be > > > neutralized > > > > > by this gift to a vedic brahmin. You can > offer the hair-pin as > > > gift > > > > > to the officiating priest of the marriage. > Do this with full > faith > > > > > and with the attitude that you are offering > this gift to the > Veda > > > > > purushaa Himself without having any doubts > as to whether the > > > > > recipient of the gift is qualified for that > exalted status! > Our > > > > > attitude can cover up for the possible > deficiency of the > > > recipient.... > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, you can sponsor a samaaradhana > for one day in a > veda > > > > > patasaala and honour the vedic teachers and > students if you > can > > > make > > > > > a visit to a patasala like that. > > > > > > > > > > Curses are overcome by donations and > charities rather than by > > > wearing > > > > > the concerned gemstones ourselves! > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > > > "sagarvpatil" sagarvpatil@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujis, > > > > > > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn > form 11th > house(Gemini) > > > and > > > > > > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter > is in 8th house in > > > Meena > > > > > > Rashi. I would like to know what will be > the effects > because of > > > > > this > > > > > > shapa and remidial measures I should > follow. I am wearing an > > > > > pushpraj > > > > > > stone, is it going to help me? > > > > > > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu > owns 7th house, will > this > > > > > > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get > married in Dec > 06, > > > so I > > > > > > would like to know what care I should > take. > > > > > > My Birth details are as follows: > > > > > > B.09-07-1975 > > > > > > B.Time: 09:05am > > > > > > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India) > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards > > > > > > Sagar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > Sponsored Link Try Netflix today! 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Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 A brahmin is the one who makes you understand the brahma within you. In doing so, he follows certain methods or ways. The method/way you are talking about is "karmakanda" which is one of the methods followed by each and every religion in the world. Now, coming to your remarks, without replying to you, I put forward some questions: 1. When MahaRishi Vishwamitra appeared in the dream of Raja HarishChandra and asked for his kingdom as donation he donated it the very next morning and suffered the miserable life thereafter as we all know it. 2. Are you saying that you are an eligible candidate as Raja HarishChandra to get blessings of a saintly persons or such brahmins. The day you become an eligible candidate yourself you will find such brahmins who can take you to the realization of brahma otherwise you are as miserable as millions of others on this earth who can just question but are not eligible enough to get the blessings of the real brahmin. To gain knowledge and learning it is important to have right kind of eligibility. If you find the above offending please forgive me but being a brahmin myself it is my utmost duty to awaken your self so that you can understand that karmakanda is one small part of a brahmin's duties and the roles of all the casts (created by Manu) have been degraded as time passed since neither the "yajmaan" has been eligible nor the "brahmin". The above applies in all kind of conditions. You are welcome to throw questions etc. With best wishes and blessings, Prakash Kandpal vedic astrology, "aghorabhairav" <aghorabhairav wrote: > > > SPREADING TOO MUCH SUPERSTITIONS IS TO BE CONDEMNED. > > > > Can You Tell me who is a real Vedic Brahmana? IS there anybody? > Really?.... > > I don't think Bigoted 'officiating priests' are real Vedic Brahmanas. > > Also what kind of Karma will that Brahmana Who cursed will undergo? What > kind of Remedy/Shanthi that Cursing real Vedic Brahmana DO? > > If he is really a real Vedic 'Brahmana' (who cannot/incapable of control > of any of his Indriyas), can he not control his/her anger/emotions? > > I say the better remedy is to curse back that real fake Vedic Brahmana > (who ever is supposed to have cursed you), and take out that fear from > your Mind and Subconscious Conditioning by Superstitious Thinking (used > by negative astrology), and proceed happily with your life in a Positive > Manner, Fearlessly. Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted > Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And Additions later on, > to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of > Society in the name of Astrology. > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, Meditations, > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and > Prayerfulness. > > > > Best Wishes to All. > > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > > > Namasthay > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Sagarvpatil: > > > > You may gift a golden hair-pin to your prospective bride on the day > > of the betrothal (the day before the marriage). The bride should > > wear it throughout the marriage ceremony. After the saptapathi and > > mangala sutra dhaaranam are over, you must gift this hair-pin to a > > vedic brahmin praying that all brahmana curses should be neutralized > > by this gift to a vedic brahmin. You can offer the hair-pin as gift > > to the officiating priest of the marriage. Do this with full faith > > and with the attitude that you are offering this gift to the Veda > > purushaa Himself without having any doubts as to whether the > > recipient of the gift is qualified for that exalted status! Our > > attitude can cover up for the possible deficiency of the recipient.... > > > > Otherwise, you can sponsor a samaaradhana for one day in a veda > > patasaala and honour the vedic teachers and students if you can make > > a visit to a patasala like that. > > > > Curses are overcome by donations and charities rather than by wearing > > the concerned gemstones ourselves! > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology, > > "sagarvpatil" sagarvpatil@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gurujis, > > > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th house (Gemini) and > > > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter is in 8th house in Meena > > > Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects because of > > this > > > shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am wearing an > > pushpraj > > > stone, is it going to help me? > > > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house, will this > > > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in Dec 06, so I > > > would like to know what care I should take. > > > My Birth details are as follows: > > > B.09-07-1975 > > > B.Time: 09:05am > > > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India) > > > > > > Thanks & regards > > > Sagar > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Namaskaar Sri Ananda Kindly read the remarks in Blue First point, How this person can be responsible for some imagined karma done in some imagined precious birth? when is first Karma committed? In which Birth? The continuity of life is present. Birth and Death is of the body. So imagined self creates imagined karmas and reaps the imagined results. So imagined remedies work! The imagined lord the Isvara helps the imagined self. The varnas aren't related to birth but to thinking and the gunas. However, who can hide inside anybody else's mind to find who is what. So you make a decision based on whatever inputs you can get. Nothing wrong in that. If you choose not to believe in varnas, it is fine with me as it is a matter of your own understanding and choice. "I am not saying anything against the Mahathmas or Sages who coded these rituals for the benefit of Universe and the whole humanity. I am just saying that there are some intelligent sections of the community who monopolized the whole issue and out of their selfish interests, these sections (some) have misused to scare the general public and make them pay up through their nose. Do you give guarantee that they are not being misused? To scare the public and extract money and cheat the public? So here you are trying to say, that another person has the power to make you pay through your nose without your knowing and choice? That means, this special community has some extra powers which other community does not have? Furthermore, you talk about equality.. somehow this does not gel! The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, Meditations, Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and Prayerfulness. The imagined Karma is one's doing. The imagined result comes from the imagined Karmaphaladata. Are you the karmaphaladata to say which one is better? Even if they were, you can only say that for yourself and not everyone. PS: There are no assumptions of superiority, BUT only friendly discussions on principles. Did not look like it or sound like it. The principles of Vedanta when go to the head instead of the heart, then we see such discussions. If you do not like my remarks, then ignore. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 11/8/06, aghorabhairav <aghorabhairav .au> wrote: > > > IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY > > Dear Member > > I also can pity your ignorance! > > > > If it is not caused by any explicit nature, then what is the point in > making him suffer through guilt complex and some unknown unrelated > person getting substantial benefit of Gold extracted from such > gullibles? > > May I ask You, from which Shastra and out of which experience have you > suggested such a make belief remedy? > > And about harming others, My opinion is one should not harm EVEN any > living being, they need not be especially "Brahmin" variety [] . > > Here you say: > > Ø The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of how > >even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood! > > This statement implies that You are having an opinion that Brahmin means > by birth and thus implying the innate superior casteism in you is quite > obvious, so the bigotry IS IMPLIED. Sage Vishwamitra was a victim of > Brahminical hypocrisy. His story shows that, even kings were highly > manipulated by the brahminical castes at those times, which even > continues now, unfortunately. > > Here you say: > > >What is the > >point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? > > I did not brand everyone as a bigoted Brahmin priest, but I did brand a > bigoted Brahmin as a `Bigoted Brahmin', Why are you getting > worried? Unless you are in to supporting them? > > Here you say: > > ? Faith is > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut brains > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified these > rituals and practices in the past.... > > I am not saying anything against the Mahathmas or Sages who coded these > rituals for the benefit of Universe and the whole humanity. I am just > saying that there are some intelligent sections of the community who > monopolized the whole issue and out of their selfish interests, these > sections (some) have misused to scare the general public and make them > pay up through their nose. Do you give guarantee that they are not being > misused? To scare the public and extract money and cheat the public? > > Here you say: > > Our motive should be to help him to come to > positive terms with his life. > > But how can you? You Yourself are not Positive? And how can a Expensive > Golden Hairpin Solve all the Problems? I will guarantee you that, > nothing is going to happen, whether he gifts the Golden Hairpin to a > Brahmin or not. Please Stop this Natak (drama) and you are trying to > explain all other unrelated stuff to support your mistake. You are not > really Enlightened Astrologer? Are You? Or just a Brahmin Caste Pandith? > > Who think that astrology is their birth right or some thing etc.???? > > A Positive thinking, strength and a fearlessness to face any > challenge of life is what is needed. An inner transformation of the > innate nature, to conquer and master one's own way of life is needed > and an astrologer's job is to strengthen the positive traits of his > client but not to scare him with negativity and take advantage of his > fears. I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but there is a > school of thinking of Modern Astrologers, who advocate a Positive > Astrology and Therapeutic Counselling compared to the majority of > ancient astrologers and the so called pundits who write all (mostly) the > negative predictions of the life, making the client's life more > miserable but in the end the Brahmin and the astrologer benefiting from > the Dakshinas. This is one of the major reasons, why astrology got the > bad name. There needs be more understanding of principles of astrology > and the application of sutras to modern life in more broader secular > terms. > > As I am putting these as an alternative and radical modern thinking for > the future astrologers to keep in Mind and not to follow everything > blindly or have a superior caste ego. An astrologer should be Ego-Less > and Rebellious first. And not expect too much or have a superiority > complex. He has to experiment a lot and come to conclusions in a > scientific and viable way. > > I repeat: > > Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted Brahmana Shapa etc. > They are all Made out things And Additions later on, to make money and > get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of Society in the name of > Astrology. > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, Meditations, > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and > Prayerfulness. > > And proceed happily with your life in a Positive Manner, Fearlessly. > > Best Wishes to All. > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > Namasthay > > Best Wishes, > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > PS: There are no assumptions of superiority, BUT only friendly > discussions on principles. > > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>, > "dakshinastrologer" > <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > > > Dear Member: > > > > I can only pity your ignorance! Brahmana curse does not necessariy > > arise out of "explicit curse" of a Brahmin. It is caused by any of > > the following reasons: > > > > 1) Willful insult to a pious brahmin (here brahmin does not > > necessarily mean the "narrow definition" by birth....any pious person > > with satwik qualities and engaged in spiritual pursuits and Aatma > > bhaava is a Brahmin; one who upholds truthfulness is a > > brahmin.....The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of how > > even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood!). > > > > 2) Imputing motives to the well-meaning shastraic suggestions of a > > learned person. > > > > 3) Disrespect to scriptures and vedas (rational analysis of > > scriptures is not a sin; but opiniated outbursts against shastras is > > a clear disrespect to shastras!). > > > > 4) Knowingly or unknowingly harming a true brahmin will lead to > > brahminical curse. A true Brahmin may not even curse others...but, > > the agony of the distressed soul will take the form of a curse....at > > least if the pious person had cursed, the results would have been > > limited to the terms of the curse...but when a pious person just > > feels the pain of an act and keeps quiet, the wrath of the deities > > will definitely befall on the doer of that injustice as a powerful > > curse that may continue for many births. Any person who curses > > another invokes severe karma. The karmic wheel is true and > > unfailing! Even great sages of yore have lost their hard-earned > > tapasya powers by cursing others.....But, curses do have their > > effects and that cannot be denied! If one stabs you with a knife you > > will die; that the other person invokes severe karma does not prevent > > you from getting hurt. In the same way, curses do have their effect > > if the curser is even marginally more powerful than you in terms of > > occult powers or mantra siddhi. > > > > This is a knowledge forum....and arguments should be based on > > shastraic injunctions and not on mere surmises or hate on certain > > castes/creeds! There are so many things that are not found in any of > > the books and come by tradition over countless years. You cannot > > brush everything as being "invented" for money. Wrath is unbecoming > > of a scholar. There are some valid philosophical points in your post > > but your hate for certain sect is so palpable that it is the only > > thing that will be obvious to the members reading your post.....the > > person who had raised query wants a solution and he is entering into > > a mundane life.....Our motive should be to help him to come to > > positive terms with his life. Can the member who raised the query > > afford to get married without a priest? Won't he feel the pressure > > of his family or for that matter, the bride's family? What is the > > point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? Faith is > > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut brains > > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified these > > rituals and practices in the past....Let us not assume our own > > superiority in these matters. This is my humble request. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology<vedic astrology%40> > , > > "aghorabhairav" aghorabhairav@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > SPREADING TOO MUCH SUPERSTITIONS IS TO BE CONDEMNED. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can You Tell me who is a real Vedic Brahmana? IS there anybody? > > > Really?.... > > > > > > I don't think Bigoted 'officiating priests' are real Vedic > > Brahmanas. > > > > > > Also what kind of Karma will that Brahmana Who cursed will undergo? > > What > > > kind of Remedy/Shanthi that Cursing real Vedic Brahmana DO? > > > > > > If he is really a real Vedic 'Brahmana' (who cannot/incapable of > > control > > > of any of his Indriyas), can he not control his/her anger/emotions? > > > > > > I say the better remedy is to curse back that real fake Vedic > > Brahmana > > > (who ever is supposed to have cursed you), and take out that fear > > from > > > your Mind and Subconscious Conditioning by Superstitious Thinking > > (used > > > by negative astrology), and proceed happily with your life in a > > Positive > > > Manner, Fearlessly. Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted > > > Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And Additions > > later on, > > > to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of > > > Society in the name of Astrology. > > > > > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, > > Meditations, > > > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and > > > Prayerfulness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes to All. > > > > > > > > > > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Namasthay > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology<vedic astrology%40>, > "dakshinastrologer" > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sagarvpatil: > > > > > > > > You may gift a golden hair-pin to your prospective bride on the > > day > > > > of the betrothal (the day before the marriage). The bride should > > > > wear it throughout the marriage ceremony. After the saptapathi and > > > > mangala sutra dhaaranam are over, you must gift this hair-pin to a > > > > vedic brahmin praying that all brahmana curses should be > > neutralized > > > > by this gift to a vedic brahmin. You can offer the hair-pin as > > gift > > > > to the officiating priest of the marriage. Do this with full faith > > > > and with the attitude that you are offering this gift to the Veda > > > > purushaa Himself without having any doubts as to whether the > > > > recipient of the gift is qualified for that exalted status! Our > > > > attitude can cover up for the possible deficiency of the > > recipient.... > > > > > > > > Otherwise, you can sponsor a samaaradhana for one day in a veda > > > > patasaala and honour the vedic teachers and students if you can > > make > > > > a visit to a patasala like that. > > > > > > > > Curses are overcome by donations and charities rather than by > > wearing > > > > the concerned gemstones ourselves! > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology<vedic astrology%40> > , > > > > "sagarvpatil" sagarvpatil@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujis, > > > > > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th house(Gemini) > > and > > > > > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter is in 8th house in > > Meena > > > > > Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects because of > > > > this > > > > > shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am wearing an > > > > pushpraj > > > > > stone, is it going to help me? > > > > > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house, will this > > > > > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in Dec 06, > > so I > > > > > would like to know what care I should take. > > > > > My Birth details are as follows: > > > > > B.09-07-1975 > > > > > B.Time: 09:05am > > > > > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India) > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards > > > > > Sagar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Dear Sir, It's regrettable that even very learned people are continuing to bash brahmin priests either directly or indirectly responsible for every conceivable ill of the society.Can in the same fashion speak of the white collared corruption indulged by may irrespective of caste.If their logic is correct then it would've been the case that all the wealth in the world should have been with brahmins.These people donot have guts to speak the truth.Many of the people irrespective of caste has supported brahmins because of their adherence to truth,loyalty to the master and for societal good in general all with simple living.Speaking in such manner by taking example of few individuals will never hide the truth.Someday they have to answer the God as well as their conscience.It's become fashion to criticise every religion saints/priests;by doing these we're digging our own graves and it's equivalent to cutting the branch on which we're sitting.Pt Dakshinamurthy has expounded very well on brahminism by birth and as well as by gunas among other castes ,both are important.Future will tell. SARVEJEEVE SUKINOBHAVANTU OM NAMO SRILAKSHMINARAYANAYANAMAHA Quoting panditarjun2004 : > dear friends let us take the negative comments written by aghorabhairav as critical analysis and supplement with more information supporting pandit dakshinamoorthiji's observations rather than matching words. let us stick to facts. several classics mention various shapas like curses by parents, brahmin, wife, brother, guru and snake. if aghorabhairav is not aware of their mention in the ancient classics, we will be glad to furnish the sanskrit slokas along with verse numbers from these classics so that he will be convinced that they do EXIST in the first place. on a holistic noe, speaking rationally in a modern man's perspective also, curses and blessings of parents, masters and sages do change the course of a native as these are the people from whom the native only gets benefited and shall always strive to get only blessings. as regards caste is concerned, it is written in the holy classics clearly that all humans by birth are shudras and only by karmas (deeds) one falls under the broad four caste system akin to an employee classified under worker, manager, fieldstaff and support services. as regards remedies are concerned, it is faith which matters and if the native has faith in the astrologer and does the remedy with absolute faith, he would definitely get positive results. the noble contributing members like pandit dakshinamoorthiji and others here are giving free remedies to various problems faced by the querents. if the native comes back saying that he cannot afford donation of a golden hairpin, surely he will suggest alternate inhouse, inexpensive or zero cost yet efficacious remedies. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun vedic astrology, "mohanraaam" <mohanraaam wrote: > > Dear "Aghorabhairav": > > YOu are not aware of the person against whom you are imputing > motives! Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is a very respected contributor of > this columns and ask the scores and scores of people benefitted by > his counsel whether he is bigotted.....Infact, Guruji is a living > example of integrating vedic values in a modern living. You have > written "IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY"....but your outlook and > approach itself is very negative. I can say without fear of > contradiction that Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is the most positive > astrologer I have ever met.....He never scares his clients; on the > contrary, he does his best to assuage the anxieties of those who sek > his help everyday. In spite of his busy schedule, he devotes his > time to post messages in this column so that learners of this subject > can get benefitted. He has lived a life steeped in spiritual > principles and when he says something, it is almost always correct. > > You have not read Guruji's post properly....He has very clearly > stated in the very first point that all pious persons with spiritual > values in life are Brahmins and not merely those who are Brahmins by > birth. In fact, this is Guruji's basic principle in life though he > himself was born as a Brahmin of the highest caste. Guruji used to > cite examples of great saints of various classes of society to stress > his point. Guruji's take on caste is that it may be relevant for > certain vedic karmaas of a normal human life; but once a person goes > beyond the limitations of mundane existence and treads the spiritual > path, there should be no distinction based on caste. > > Brahmana saapa exists....and it is supported in classics like Brihat > Parasara Hora Shaastra and various Naadi granthaas. If you do not > believe in all this, you are free to start your own forum on SO- > CALLED RADICAL ASTROLOGY. If a patient goes to a doctor with an > ailment, the treatment has to be given whether it is to the taste of > the patient or not......You cannot call a doctor as "POSITIVE MEDICAL > PRACTITIONER" if he just ignores the ailment and says "It does not > exist at all!" Your claiming to be a positive astrologer by assertin > g"There is not Brahmana saapaa at all" without analyzing the native's > horoscope is not positive astrology but idiocy at its heights. > Moreoever, the honourable member of this forum wanted advice on > Bramana saapa which he obviously believes in.....Learned Guruji > answered it to calm down the native. You must understand that Guruji > did not ask the hairpin for himself...he has no monetary interest in > this issue at all! He has also suggested an alternative of > sponsoring the vedic studies of a student to get rid of the curse. > Obviously it is a measure of charity! You can have alternate views > on issues; but you cannot brush away all previous authorities and > usurp the role of propogator of "Positive astrology". > > In one of your recent posts, you had wanted to quit the forum. > Kindly do so and do a service to this forum instead of spreading hate > in this forum of vedic knowledge. > > Otherwise, many members will be forced to demand your ban from this > group and throw you way with ignomity. > > Mohanraaam. > > vedic astrology, > "aghorabhairav" <aghorabhairav@> wrote: > > > > > > IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY > > > > Dear Member > > > > > > > > I also can pity your ignorance! > > > > First point, How this person can be responsible for some imagined > karma > > done in some imagined precious birth? when is first Karma > committed? In > > which Birth? > > > > If it is not caused by any explicit nature, then what is the point > in > > making him suffer through guilt complex and some unknown unrelated > > person getting substantial benefit of Gold extracted from such > > gullibles? > > > > May I ask You, from which Shastra and out of which experience have > you > > suggested such a make belief remedy? > > > > > > > > And about harming others, My opinion is one should not harm EVEN any > > living being, they need not be especially "Brahmin" variety [] . > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > Ø The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of how > > >even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood! > > > > > > > > This statement implies that You are having an opinion that Brahmin > means > > by birth and thus implying the innate superior casteism in you is > quite > > obvious, so the bigotry IS IMPLIED. Sage Vishwamitra was a victim of > > Brahminical hypocrisy. His story shows that, even kings were highly > > manipulated by the brahminical castes at those times, which even > > continues now, unfortunately. > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > >What is the > > >point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? > > > > > > > > I did not brand everyone as a bigoted Brahmin priest, but I did > brand a > > bigoted Brahmin as a `Bigoted Brahmin', Why are you getting > > worried? Unless you are in to supporting them? > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > ? Faith is > > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut brains > > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified these > > rituals and practices in the past.... > > > > > > > > I am not saying anything against the Mahathmas or Sages who coded > these > > rituals for the benefit of Universe and the whole humanity. I am > just > > saying that there are some intelligent sections of the community who > > monopolized the whole issue and out of their selfish interests, > these > > sections (some) have misused to scare the general public and make > them > > pay up through their nose. Do you give guarantee that they are not > being > > misused? To scare the public and extract money and cheat the public? > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > Our motive should be to help him to come to > > positive terms with his life. > > > > > > > > But how can you? You Yourself are not Positive? And how can a > Expensive > > Golden Hairpin Solve all the Problems? I will guarantee you that, > > nothing is going to happen, whether he gifts the Golden Hairpin to a > > Brahmin or not. Please Stop this Natak (drama) and you are trying to > > explain all other unrelated stuff to support your mistake. You are > not > > really Enlightened Astrologer? Are You? Or just a Brahmin Caste > Pandith? > > > > Who think that astrology is their birth right or some thing etc.???? > > > > A Positive thinking, strength and a fearlessness to > face any > > challenge of life is what is needed. An inner transformation of the > > innate nature, to conquer and master one's own way of life is needed > > and an astrologer's job is to strengthen the positive traits of his > > client but not to scare him with negativity and take advantage of > his > > fears. I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but there is a > > school of thinking of Modern Astrologers, who advocate a Positive > > Astrology and Therapeutic Counselling compared to the majority of > > ancient astrologers and the so called pundits who write all > (mostly) the > > negative predictions of the life, making the client's life more > > miserable but in the end the Brahmin and the astrologer benefiting > from > > the Dakshinas. This is one of the major reasons, why astrology got > the > > bad name. There needs be more understanding of principles of > astrology > > and the application of sutras to modern life in more broader secular > > terms. > > > > > > > > As I am putting these as an alternative and radical modern thinking > for > > the future astrologers to keep in Mind and not to follow everything > > blindly or have a superior caste ego. An astrologer should be Ego- > Less > > and Rebellious first. And not expect too much or have a superiority > > complex. He has to experiment a lot and come to conclusions in a > > scientific and viable way. > > > > > > > > I repeat: > > > > Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted Brahmana Shapa etc. > > They are all Made out things And Additions later on, to make money > and > > get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of Society in the name > of > > Astrology. > > > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, > Meditations, > > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and > > Prayerfulness. > > > > > > > > And proceed happily with your life in a Positive Manner, Fearlessly. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes to All. > > > > > > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > > > > > > > Namasthay > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > > > > > > > PS: There are no assumptions of superiority, BUT only friendly > > discussions on principles. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Member: > > > > > > I can only pity your ignorance! Brahmana curse does not necessariy > > > arise out of "explicit curse" of a Brahmin. It is caused by any of > > > the following reasons: > > > > > > 1) Willful insult to a pious brahmin (here brahmin does not > > > necessarily mean the "narrow definition" by birth....any pious > person > > > with satwik qualities and engaged in spiritual pursuits and Aatma > > > bhaava is a Brahmin; one who upholds truthfulness is a > > > brahmin.....The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of > how > > > even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood!). > > > > > > 2) Imputing motives to the well-meaning shastraic suggestions of a > > > learned person. > > > > > > 3) Disrespect to scriptures and vedas (rational analysis of > > > scriptures is not a sin; but opiniated outbursts against shastras > is > > > a clear disrespect to shastras!). > > > > > > 4) Knowingly or unknowingly harming a true brahmin will lead to > > > brahminical curse. A true Brahmin may not even curse others...but, > > > the agony of the distressed soul will take the form of a > curse....at > > > least if the pious person had cursed, the results would have been > > > limited to the terms of the curse...but when a pious person just > > > feels the pain of an act and keeps quiet, the wrath of the deities > > > will definitely befall on the doer of that injustice as a powerful > > > curse that may continue for many births. Any person who curses > > > another invokes severe karma. The karmic wheel is true and > > > unfailing! Even great sages of yore have lost their hard-earned > > > tapasya powers by cursing others.....But, curses do have their > > > effects and that cannot be denied! If one stabs you with a knife > you > > > will die; that the other person invokes severe karma does not > prevent > > > you from getting hurt. In the same way, curses do have their > effect > > > if the curser is even marginally more powerful than you in terms > of > > > occult powers or mantra siddhi. > > > > > > This is a knowledge forum....and arguments should be based on > > > shastraic injunctions and not on mere surmises or hate on certain > > > castes/creeds! There are so many things that are not found in any > of > > > the books and come by tradition over countless years. You cannot > > > brush everything as being "invented" for money. Wrath is > unbecoming > > > of a scholar. There are some valid philosophical points in your > post > > > but your hate for certain sect is so palpable that it is the only > > > thing that will be obvious to the members reading your > post.....the > > > person who had raised query wants a solution and he is entering > into > > > a mundane life.....Our motive should be to help him to come to > > > positive terms with his life. Can the member who raised the query > > > afford to get married without a priest? Won't he feel the pressure > > > of his family or for that matter, the bride's family? What is the > > > point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? Faith is > > > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut > brains > > > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified > these > > > rituals and practices in the past....Let us not assume our own > > > superiority in these matters. This is my humble request. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > "aghorabhairav" aghorabhairav@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > SPREADING TOO MUCH SUPERSTITIONS IS TO BE CONDEMNED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can You Tell me who is a real Vedic Brahmana? IS there anybody? > > > > Really?.... > > > > > > > > I don't think Bigoted 'officiating priests' are real Vedic > > > Brahmanas. > > > > > > > > Also what kind of Karma will that Brahmana Who cursed will > undergo? > > > What > > > > kind of Remedy/Shanthi that Cursing real Vedic Brahmana DO? > > > > > > > > If he is really a real Vedic 'Brahmana' (who cannot/incapable of > > > control > > > > of any of his Indriyas), can he not control his/her anger/ > emotions? > > > > > > > > I say the better remedy is to curse back that real fake Vedic > > > Brahmana > > > > (who ever is supposed to have cursed you), and take out that > fear > > > from > > > > your Mind and Subconscious Conditioning by Superstitious > Thinking > > > (used > > > > by negative astrology), and proceed happily with your life in a > > > Positive > > > > Manner, Fearlessly. Don't worry, there are no such things as > Bigoted > > > > Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And Additions > > > later on, > > > > to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes > of > > > > Society in the name of Astrology. > > > > > > > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, > > > Meditations, > > > > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality > and > > > > Prayerfulness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes to All. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namasthay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sagarvpatil: > > > > > > > > > > You may gift a golden hair-pin to your prospective bride on > the > > > day > > > > > of the betrothal (the day before the marriage). The bride > should > > > > > wear it throughout the marriage ceremony. After the > saptapathi and > > > > > mangala sutra dhaaranam are over, you must gift this hair- pin > to a > > > > > vedic brahmin praying that all brahmana curses should be > > > neutralized > > > > > by this gift to a vedic brahmin. You can offer the hair-pin as > > > gift > > > > > to the officiating priest of the marriage. Do this with full > faith > > > > > and with the attitude that you are offering this gift to the > Veda > > > > > purushaa Himself without having any doubts as to whether the > > > > > recipient of the gift is qualified for that exalted status! > Our > > > > > attitude can cover up for the possible deficiency of the > > > recipient.... > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, you can sponsor a samaaradhana for one day in a > veda > > > > > patasaala and honour the vedic teachers and students if you > can > > > make > > > > > a visit to a patasala like that. > > > > > > > > > > Curses are overcome by donations and charities rather than by > > > wearing > > > > > the concerned gemstones ourselves! > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > > > "sagarvpatil" sagarvpatil@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujis, > > > > > > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th > house(Gemini) > > > and > > > > > > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter is in 8th house in > > > Meena > > > > > > Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects > because of > > > > > this > > > > > > shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am wearing an > > > > > pushpraj > > > > > > stone, is it going to help me? > > > > > > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house, will > this > > > > > > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in Dec > 06, > > > so I > > > > > > would like to know what care I should take. > > > > > > My Birth details are as follows: > > > > > > B.09-07-1975 > > > > > > B.Time: 09:05am > > > > > > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India) > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards > > > > > > Sagar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN! Dear Friend Manovadi Prakash Kandapal! And All Manovadis! It is horrifying to see how rampant the casteism has caught the Mind. In the Guise of Vedic astrology, Inhuman-Manusmrithi is pushed, shamelessly. I am surprised at how much Junk You have acquired and how much illusory beliefs you have. It is a disease and it is a corrosion acquired through thousands of your cow-dung philosophy. The way all of you reacted when I questioned the brahminical word usage and on that pretext, how other people in Hinduism are exploited, a totally venomous onslaught and reaction has been displayed. It is because of the caste Brahmins, India and Hindus are dis-united and again it is because of high caste domination, lower caste people are converting. India and especially 90 crores of Hindus will never develop, as long as they are suppressed under the guise of holy-shit called Brahmanism, untouchability etc. In fact, to prove one's superiority, one needs an imagined lower category, other wise how will they prove that they are of higher category even without deserving to be so? So they create always an opposite to them selves, but infact they are the sides of the same coin. An Untouchable is as good as , and better as a Brahmin and a Brahmin is as worse as an Untouchable and even More chandalik than an Untouchable in reality. Hence birth is in no way, a basis for classification, however arrogantly the so-called caste-born Brahmins might think. Birth significance and superiority has gone long ago my friend. One Learned Friend used to say: ”IF YOU SEE A SNAKE AND CASTE BRAHMIN, WHO WILL YOU KILL FIRST? Obviously KILL BRAHMIN, BECAUSE HE IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN A SNAKE!" Now the way you people have reacted, I can say hundred percent that casteism is still rampant in India. Here you say: You are welcome to throw questions etc. But my friend, I am not allowed to answer and my answers are blocked, your so-called upper caste, 'Brahman' knowledge moderators.... This is the hypocrisy and superiority domination game always played by almost all the religions, not only brahminical caste idiots. Here was my previous reply which was not published: Mohanraaam! Oh! Uhh! What an Arrogant Intolerance!..... What an irrelevant drool.... No doubt Hitler borrowed Swasthika from you upper caste Aryans. By not allowing any alternative discussions or bold questionings, is it not obvious that it is (people like)you who want to force your thinking and conditionings? SINCE WHEN DID YOU STARTED THINKING that YOU OWN VEDIC ASTROLOGY? My friend? RESPECT should not be demanded, it should come out of it's own, through one's heart. Otherwise it will lead to Slavery. Not for the sake of getting free advises, some body calls pranams, guruji’s, etc. doesn't mean anything.... I am sure, you are uncomfortable to face the Harsh TRUTH. And I already made my Points crystal clear, which may seem uncomfortable to some. Readers are the Judges. You don't have to worry. You did not read it properly, You are diverting cleverly on the Points raised by me and creating an Image as if I am attacking or disrespectful to Dakshinamoorty Guruji, which was never the case. Cunning people like you will not escape, I can answer, even hundred letters on this subject and I have made some principled statements only. If you don't like, that's fine, but don't be a Hitler, by demanding to ban, throwing others etc... Your intolerance and egoism is quite obvious. Anyway, You still need to grow up a lot and understand many things. If you don't know the subject then just keep quite and learn, what is real astrology. "Not all that is Obvious is True." I never said any thing or there was anything personal, for what reason you are getting emotional and attributing some thing non-essential. I do respect all astrologer brothers on an equal and mutual basis. It was Never Personal, and I definitely respect the Vedic knowledge and astrological knowledge of Dakshinamoorthiji, and never questioned his learning, that's why advanced points and reformative outlooks are pointed out. Don't think others don't know anything. I am also a Vedic-Indian Astrologer….. I think You did not understand or not yet mature enough to understand the things. As time goes by, everything needs reformation and changes and modifications and some conservatives and vested interested groups always don't want them. That's the flow of the things, it is always resisted, thinking they are always right and they only are the most eligible to protect the masses. But out of repression comes a new beginning and that will be real answer for people like you. Only Time will tell and People will know the Truth about themselves. You don't need to take so much trouble. ------- .......Kabir is a harbinger, a herald of the future, the first flower that heralds the spring. He is one of the greatest poets of religion. He is not a theologian, he does not belong to any religion. All religions belong to him, but he is vast enough to contain all. No particular religion defines him. He is a Hindu and a Mohammedan and a Christian and a Jaina and a Buddhist. He's a great beauty, a great poetry, a great orchestra. Kabir is rare, he is a poor man. In Kabir, for the first time a poor man is recognized as a man of God. Otherwise it was a monopoly of kings and princes and rich people. - The Revolution, Chapter #1 Kabir, THE SONGS OF KABIR. Nothing like it exists in the world. Kabir is incredibly beautiful. An uneducated man, born a weaver -- to whom nobody knows -- his mother left him on the bank of the Ganges. He must have been an illegal child. But it is not enough to just be legal; he was certainly illegal, but he was born out of love, and love is the real law. I have also spoken much on Kabir too, so there is no need to add anything except again and again to say, "Kabir, I love you as I have never loved any man. - Books I Have Loved, Chapter #5 Kabir is a nobody, a man of the masses, very poor, very ordinary, with no education at all, with no culture. And that is his rarity. Why do I call it his rarity? Because to be ordinary in the world is the most extraordinary thing. He was very ordinary -- and he remained ordinary. Kabir is really that normal person that you never come across in life, with no desire to be special. When he became enlightened, then too he remained in his ordinary life. He was a weaver; he continued to weave. ----OSHO - Ecstasy - The Forgotten Language, Chapter #1 Every Messiah brings a special message, a unique message. This is Christ's special message. He simply says, "Thy sins are forgiven." He is not miserly about it. Unconditionally! There is no condition attached. He is not saying, "You do this and you do that and then your sins will be forgiven." No, he says, "They are forgiven. You have loved much. Your tears have shown your helplessness. I have seen into your heart." And I also say, that if you are ready, if you pour down your heart, your sins are forgiven. They are forgiven in your very surrender. Not that I forgive them, they are forgiven in your very trust; you are free, you are saved. ----Osho Your being is never reflected in the eyes of others. Your being you have to come to know only in one way -- and that is by closing your eyes to all the mirrors. You have to enter into your own inward existence, to face it directly. Nobody can give you any idea of it, what it is. You can know it, but not from others. It can never be a borrowed knowledge, it can only be a direct experience, a direct experiencing, immediate. ---osho----The Discipline of Transcendence Vol. 1 #2 Remember, be true to your inner voice. It may lead you into danger, then go in danger, but remain true to the inner voice. Then there is a possibility that one day you will come to a state where you can dance with inner fulfillment. Always look: the first thing is your being. Don’t allow others to manipulate and control you—and they are many; everybody is ready to control you, everybody is ready to change you, everybody is ready to give you a direction you have not asked for. Everybody is giving you a guide for your life. The guide exists within you, you carry the blueprint. To be authentic means to be true to oneself. It is a very, very dangerous phenomenon; rare people can do that. But whenever people do it, they achieve.. They achieve such beauty, such grace, such contentment that you cannot imagine. The reason everybody looks so frustrated is that nobody has listened to his own voice. You wanted to marry a girl, but the girl was a Mohammedan and you are a Hindu brahmin, your parents wouldn’t allow it. The society wouldn’t accept it, it was dangerous. The girl was poor and you are rich. So you married a rich woman, Hindu, brahmin by caste, accepted by everybody but not by your heart. So now you live an ugly life. Now you go to the prostitute—but even prostitutes won’t help you; you have prostituted your whole life. You wasted your whole life. Always listen to the inner voice, and don’t listen to anything else. There are a thousand and one are temptations around you, because many people are peddling their things. It is a supermarket, the world, and everybody in it is interested in selling his thing to you. Everybody is a salesman. If you listen to too many salesmen you will become mad. Don’t listen to anybody, just close your eyes and listen to the inner voice. That is what meditation is all about, to listen to the inner voice. This is the first thing. Then the second thing—if you have done the first thing only then the second becomes possible—never wear a mask. If you are angry, be angry. It is risky, but don’t smile, because that is being untrue. But you have been taught that when you are angry, smile. Then your smile becomes false, a mask—just an exercise of the lips and nothing else. The heart full of anger, poison, and the lips smiling; you become a false phenomenon. Then the other thing also happens: when you want to smile, you cannot smile.. Your whole mechanism is topsy-turvy because when you wanted to be angry you weren’t, when you wanted to hate you didn’t. Now you want to love; suddenly you find that the mechanism doesn’t function. Now you want to smile; you have to force it. Really your heart is full of smile and you want to laugh out loud, but you cannot laugh. Something chokes in the heart, something chokes in the throat. The smile doesn’t come, or even if it comes it is a very pale and dead smile. It doesn’t make you happy, you don’t bubble up with it. It is not a radiance around you. When you want to be angry, be angry. Nothing is wrong in being angry. If you want to laugh, laugh. Nothing is wrong in laughing loudly. By and by you will see that your whole system is functioning. When it functions, really, it has a hum around it. Just like a car, when everything is going well, hums—the driver who loves the car knows that now everything is functioning well, there is an organic unity; the mechanism is functioning well. You can see it—whenever a person’s mechanism is functioning well you can hear the hum around him. He walks but his step has a dance in it. He talks but his words carry a subtle poetry in them. He looks at you and he really looks; it is not just lukewarm, it is really warm. When he touches you he really touches you; you can feel his energy moving into your body, a current of life being transferred, because his mechanism is functioning well.... Prakash Kandpal <prakashkandpal > wrote: A brahmin is the one who makes you understand the brahma within you. In doing so, he follows certain methods or ways. The method/way you are talking about is "karmakanda" which is one of the methods followed by each and every religion in the world. Now, coming to your remarks, without replying to you, I put forward some questions: 1. When MahaRishi Vishwamitra appeared in the dream of Raja HarishChandra and asked for his kingdom as donation he donated it the very next morning and suffered the miserable life thereafter as we all know it. 2. Are you saying that you are an eligible candidate as Raja HarishChandra to get blessings of a saintly persons or such brahmins. The day you become an eligible candidate yourself you will find such brahmins who can take you to the realization of brahma otherwise you are as miserable as millions of others on this earth who can just question but are not eligible enough to get the blessings of the real brahmin. To gain knowledge and learning it is important to have right kind of eligibility. If you find the above offending please forgive me but being a brahmin myself it is my utmost duty to awaken your self so that you can understand that karmakanda is one small part of a brahmin's duties and the roles of all the casts (created by Manu) have been degraded as time passed since neither the "yajmaan" has been eligible nor the "brahmin". The above applies in all kind of conditions. You are welcome to throw questions etc. With best wishes and blessings, Prakash Kandpal vedic astrology, "aghorabhairav" wrote: > > > SPREADING TOO MUCH SUPERSTITIONS IS TO BE CONDEMNED. > > > > Can You Tell me who is a real Vedic Brahmana? IS there anybody? > Really?.... > > I don't think Bigoted 'officiating priests' are real Vedic Brahmanas. > > Also what kind of Karma will that Brahmana Who cursed will undergo? What > kind of Remedy/Shanthi that Cursing real Vedic Brahmana DO? > > If he is really a real Vedic 'Brahmana' (who cannot/incapable of control > of any of his Indriyas), can he not control his/her anger/emotions? > > I say the better remedy is to curse back that real fake Vedic Brahmana > (who ever is supposed to have cursed you), and take out that fear from > your Mind and Subconscious Conditioning by Superstitious Thinking (used > by negative astrology), and proceed happily with your life in a Positive > Manner, Fearlessly. Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted > Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And Additions later on, > to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of > Society in the name of Astrology. > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, Meditations, > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and > Prayerfulness. > > > > Best Wishes to All. > > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > > > Namasthay > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Sagarvpatil: > > > > You may gift a golden hair-pin to your prospective bride on the day > > of the betrothal (the day before the marriage). The bride should > > wear it throughout the marriage ceremony. After the saptapathi and > > mangala sutra dhaaranam are over, you must gift this hair-pin to a > > vedic brahmin praying that all brahmana curses should be neutralized > > by this gift to a vedic brahmin. You can offer the hair-pin as gift > > to the officiating priest of the marriage. Do this with full faith > > and with the attitude that you are offering this gift to the Veda > > purushaa Himself without having any doubts as to whether the > > recipient of the gift is qualified for that exalted status! Our > > attitude can cover up for the possible deficiency of the recipient.... > > > > Otherwise, you can sponsor a samaaradhana for one day in a veda > > patasaala and honour the vedic teachers and students if you can make > > a visit to a patasala like that. > > > > Curses are overcome by donations and charities rather than by wearing > > the concerned gemstones ourselves! > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology, > > "sagarvpatil" sagarvpatil@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gurujis, > > > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th house (Gemini) and > > > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter is in 8th house in Meena > > > Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects because of > > this > > > shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am wearing an > > pushpraj > > > stone, is it going to help me? > > > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house, will this > > > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in Dec 06, so I > > > would like to know what care I should take. > > > My Birth details are as follows: > > > B.09-07-1975 > > > B.Time: 09:05am > > > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India) > > > > > > Thanks & regards > > > Sagar > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 vedic astrology, "sagarvpatil" <sagarvpatil wrote: >Dear members After reading Sagar V Patil's query regarding his marriage and brahman shapa, and some heated participation of members I felt some points worth discussing: They are: 1)Can anyone tell me the nature of Budha in Sagar V Patil's horoscope? i.e., not functional but by association rules etc 2)This horoscope possess a rare combination as per Jaimini. Do anyone noticed it? If so, what are its implications? 3)The queirist (Sagar) himself, in the first place, feel Brahman Sapa in his horoscope before getting clarified! Can anyone quote authoritative rule suggesting such misfortune, so that the members can discuss 4)Is there any astrologer, pundit, guruji etc who can ably evaluate strictly - the present horoscope - as per Varahamihira's school I think we can discuss with those members who can answer these questions in the first place instead of quoting unnecessary stories etc. Let us be practical in approach and leave the outcome to the wisdom of the wise Regards Jairadhe > Dear Gurujis, > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th house(Gemini) and > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter is in 8th house in Meena > Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects because of this > shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am wearing an pushpraj > stone, is it going to help me? > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house, will this > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in Dec 06, so I > would like to know what care I should take. > My Birth details are as follows: > B.09-07-1975 > B.Time: 09:05am > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India) > > Thanks & regards > Sagar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 PLEASE DONT WASTE MY TIME. I DONT WANT TO SPEND MY ENERGY INTO YOUR SARCASTIC REMARKS. FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I WAS BORN IN SHUDRA YONI BUT MANUSHYA GANA. DONT TALK LOVE IF YOU HAVE SO MUCH OF HATRED FILLED IN YOU. YOU YOURSELF BECOME LIKE KABIR FIRST THEN TALK ABOUT HIM OR LOVE. --- gaya sar'nath <aghorabhairav .au> wrote: > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN! > Dear Friend Manovadi Prakash Kandapal! And All > Manovadis! > It is horrifying to see how rampant the casteism has > caught the Mind. > In the Guise of Vedic astrology, Inhuman-Manusmrithi is > pushed, shamelessly. > I am surprised at how much Junk You have acquired and > how much illusory beliefs you have. It is a disease and > it is a corrosion acquired through thousands of your > cow-dung philosophy. The way all of you reacted when I > questioned the brahminical word usage and on that > pretext, how other people in Hinduism are exploited, a > totally venomous onslaught and reaction has been > displayed. It is because of the caste Brahmins, India and > Hindus are dis-united and again it is because of high > caste domination, lower caste people are converting. > India and especially 90 crores of Hindus will never > develop, as long as they are suppressed under the guise > of holy-shit called Brahmanism, untouchability etc. > In fact, to prove one's superiority, one needs an > imagined lower category, other wise how will they prove > that they are of higher category even without deserving > to be so? So they create always an opposite to them > selves, but infact they are the sides of the same coin. > An Untouchable is as good as , and better as a Brahmin > and a Brahmin is as worse as an Untouchable and even More > chandalik than an Untouchable in reality. Hence birth is > in no way, a basis for classification, however arrogantly > the so-called caste-born Brahmins might think. Birth > significance and superiority has gone long ago my friend. > > One Learned Friend used to say: > ”IF YOU SEE A SNAKE AND CASTE BRAHMIN, WHO WILL YOU > KILL FIRST? > Obviously KILL BRAHMIN, BECAUSE HE IS MORE DANGEROUS > THAN A SNAKE!" > Now the way you people have reacted, I can say hundred > percent that casteism is still rampant in India. > > Here you say: > You are welcome to throw questions etc. > But my friend, I am not allowed to answer and my > answers are blocked, your so-called upper caste, > 'Brahman' knowledge moderators.... This is the hypocrisy > and superiority domination game always played by almost > all the religions, not only brahminical caste idiots. > Here was my previous reply which was not published: > Mohanraaam! > Oh! Uhh! What an Arrogant Intolerance!..... > What an irrelevant drool.... > No doubt Hitler borrowed Swasthika from you upper caste > Aryans. > By not allowing any alternative discussions or bold > questionings, is it not obvious that it is (people > like)you who want to force your thinking and > conditionings? > SINCE WHEN DID YOU STARTED THINKING that YOU OWN VEDIC > ASTROLOGY? My friend? > RESPECT should not be demanded, it should come out of > it's own, through one's heart. Otherwise it will lead to > Slavery. Not for the sake of getting free advises, some > body calls pranams, guruji’s, etc. doesn't mean > anything.... > I am sure, you are uncomfortable to face the Harsh > TRUTH. And I already made my Points crystal clear, which > may seem uncomfortable to some. Readers are the Judges. > You don't have to worry. You did not read it properly, > You are diverting cleverly on the Points raised by me and > creating an Image as if I am attacking or disrespectful > to Dakshinamoorty Guruji, which was never the case. > Cunning people like you will not escape, I can answer, > even hundred letters on this subject and I have made some > principled statements only. If you don't like, that's > fine, but don't be a Hitler, by demanding to ban, > throwing others etc... Your intolerance and egoism is > quite obvious. > Anyway, You still need to grow up a lot and understand > many things. If you don't know the subject then just keep > quite and learn, what is real astrology. "Not all that is > Obvious is True." > I never said any thing or there was anything personal, > for what reason you are getting emotional and attributing > some thing non-essential. > I do respect all astrologer brothers on an equal and > mutual basis. > It was Never Personal, and I definitely respect the > Vedic knowledge and astrological knowledge of > Dakshinamoorthiji, and never questioned his learning, > that's why advanced points and reformative outlooks are > pointed out. > Don't think others don't know anything. I am also a > Vedic-Indian Astrologer….. > I think You did not understand or not yet mature > enough to understand the things. As time goes by, > everything needs reformation and changes and > modifications and some conservatives and vested > interested groups always don't want them. That's the flow > of the things, it is always resisted, thinking they are > always right and they only are the most eligible to > protect the masses. But out of repression comes a new > beginning and that will be real answer for people like > you. Only Time will tell and People will know the Truth > about themselves. You don't need to take so much trouble. > > ------- > .......Kabir is a harbinger, a herald of the future, > the first flower that heralds the spring. He is one of > the greatest poets of religion. He is not a theologian, > he does not belong to any religion. All religions belong > to him, but he is vast enough to contain all. No > particular religion defines him. He is a Hindu and a > Mohammedan and a Christian and a Jaina and a Buddhist. > He's a great beauty, a great poetry, a great orchestra. > Kabir is rare, he is a poor man. In Kabir, for the first > time a poor man is recognized as a man of God. Otherwise > it was a monopoly of kings and princes and rich people. > - The Revolution, Chapter #1 > Kabir, THE SONGS OF KABIR. Nothing like it exists in > the world. Kabir is incredibly beautiful. An uneducated > man, born a weaver -- to whom nobody knows -- his mother > left him on the bank of the Ganges. He must have been an > illegal child. But it is not enough to just be legal; he > was certainly illegal, but he was born out of love, and > love is the real law. I have also spoken much on Kabir > too, so there is no need to add anything except again and > again to say, "Kabir, I love you as I have never loved > any man. > - Books I Have Loved, Chapter #5 > Kabir is a nobody, a man of the masses, very poor, very > ordinary, with no education at all, with no culture. And > that is his rarity. Why do I call it his rarity? Because > to be ordinary in the world is the most extraordinary > thing. He was very ordinary -- and he remained ordinary. > Kabir is really that normal person that you never come > across in life, with no desire to be special. When he > became enlightened, then too he remained in his ordinary > life. He was a weaver; he continued to weave. > ----OSHO - Ecstasy - The Forgotten Language, Chapter #1 > Every Messiah brings a special message, a unique > message. This is Christ's special message. He simply > says, "Thy sins are forgiven." He is not miserly about > it. Unconditionally! There is no condition attached. He > is not saying, "You do this and you do that and then your > sins will be forgiven." No, he says, "They are forgiven. > You have loved much. Your tears have shown your > helplessness. I have seen into your heart." And I also > say, that if you are ready, if you pour down your heart, > your sins are forgiven. They are forgiven in your very > surrender. Not that I forgive them, they are forgiven in > your very trust; you are free, you are saved. > ----Osho > Your being is never reflected in the eyes of others. > Your being you have to come to know only in one way -- > and that is by closing your eyes to all the mirrors. You > have to enter into your own inward existence, to face it > directly. Nobody can give you any idea of it, what it is. > You can know it, but not from others. It can never be a > borrowed knowledge, it can only be a direct experience, a > direct experiencing, immediate. > ---osho----The Discipline of Transcendence Vol. 1 #2 > > Remember, be true to your inner voice. It may lead you > into danger, then go in danger, but remain true to the > inner voice. Then there is a possibility that one day you > will come to a state where you can dance with inner > fulfillment. Always look: the first thing is your being. > Don’t allow others to manipulate and control you—and they > are many; everybody is ready to control you, everybody is > ready to change you, everybody is ready to give you a > direction you have not asked for. Everybody is giving you > a guide for your life. The guide exists within you, you > carry the blueprint. > > To be authentic means to be true to oneself. It is a > very, very dangerous phenomenon; rare people can do that. > But whenever people do it, they achieve. They achieve > such beauty, such grace, such contentment that you cannot > imagine. The reason everybody looks so frustrated is that > nobody has listened to his own voice. You wanted to marry > a girl, but the girl was a Mohammedan and you are a Hindu > brahmin, your parents wouldn’t allow it. The society > wouldn’t accept it, it was dangerous. The girl was poor > and you are rich. So you married a rich woman, Hindu, > brahmin by caste, accepted by everybody but not by your > heart. So now you live an ugly life. Now you go to the > prostitute—but even prostitutes won’t help you; you have > prostituted your whole life. You wasted your whole life. > > Always listen to the inner voice, and don’t listen to > anything else. There are a thousand and one are > temptations around you, because many people are peddling > their things. It is a supermarket, the world, and > everybody in it is interested in selling his thing to > you. Everybody is a salesman. If you listen to too many > salesmen you will become mad. Don’t listen to anybody, > just close your eyes and listen to the inner voice. That > is what meditation is all about, to listen to the inner > voice. This is the first thing. > > Then the second thing—if you have done the first thing > only === message truncated === Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 DEAR FRIEND! IT WAS YOU, WHO FIRST SENT ME EVEN A PERSONAL COPY OF YOUR MESSAGE, AND I HAD TO REPLY. WHAT ELSE CAN I DO? YOU WANT THE UPPER HAND? YOU WRITE TO MY EMAIL PERSONALLY AND NOW THIS DRAMA? BECAUSE I HIT YOU SO GOOD ON THE SPOT? AND NOW YOU ARE UNABLE TO ANSWER? BLAMING ME? "ULTA CHOR KOTHWAL KO DANTA!" you say: >FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I WAS BORN IN SHUDRA YONI BUT >MANUSHYA GANA. Everybody comes from the same 'YONI', and everybody is born to a MANUSHYA only, you stupid fool! You have become mad with the wrong understanding of scriptures! You need a total emptying and overhauling service first. *BUDDHAM SHARANAMI GACCHAAMI!!* Vedic Astrologer - Prakash <prakashkandpal > wrote: PLEASE DONT WASTE MY TIME. I DONT WANT TO SPEND MY ENERGY INTO YOUR SARCASTIC REMARKS. FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I WAS BORN IN SHUDRA YONI BUT MANUSHYA GANA. DONT TALK LOVE IF YOU HAVE SO MUCH OF HATRED FILLED IN YOU. YOU YOURSELF BECOME LIKE KABIR FIRST THEN TALK ABOUT HIM OR LOVE. --- gaya sar'nath wrote: > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN! > Dear Friend Manovadi Prakash Kandapal! And All > Manovadis! > It is horrifying to see how rampant the casteism has > caught the Mind. > In the Guise of Vedic astrology, Inhuman-Manusmrithi is > pushed, shamelessly. > I am surprised at how much Junk You have acquired and > how much illusory beliefs you have. It is a disease and > it is a corrosion acquired through thousands of your > cow-dung philosophy. The way all of you reacted when I > questioned the brahminical word usage and on that > pretext, how other people in Hinduism are exploited, a > totally venomous onslaught and reaction has been > displayed. It is because of the caste Brahmins, India and > Hindus are dis-united and again it is because of high > caste domination, lower caste people are converting. > India and especially 90 crores of Hindus will never > develop, as long as they are suppressed under the guise > of holy-shit called Brahmanism, untouchability etc. > In fact, to prove one's superiority, one needs an > imagined lower category, other wise how will they prove > that they are of higher category even without deserving > to be so? So they create always an opposite to them > selves, but infact they are the sides of the same coin. > An Untouchable is as good as , and better as a Brahmin > and a Brahmin is as worse as an Untouchable and even More > chandalik than an Untouchable in reality. Hence birth is > in no way, a basis for classification, however arrogantly > the so-called caste-born Brahmins might think. Birth > significance and superiority has gone long ago my friend. > > One Learned Friend used to say: > ”IF YOU SEE A SNAKE AND CASTE BRAHMIN, WHO WILL YOU > KILL FIRST? > Obviously KILL BRAHMIN, BECAUSE HE IS MORE DANGEROUS > THAN A SNAKE!" > Now the way you people have reacted, I can say hundred > percent that casteism is still rampant in India. > > Here you say: > You are welcome to throw questions etc. > But my friend, I am not allowed to answer and my > answers are blocked, your so-called upper caste, > 'Brahman' knowledge moderators.... This is the hypocrisy > and superiority domination game always played by almost > all the religions, not only brahminical caste idiots. > Here was my previous reply which was not published: > Mohanraaam! > Oh! Uhh! What an Arrogant Intolerance!..... > What an irrelevant drool.... > No doubt Hitler borrowed Swasthika from you upper caste > Aryans. > By not allowing any alternative discussions or bold > questionings, is it not obvious that it is (people > like)you who want to force your thinking and > conditionings? > SINCE WHEN DID YOU STARTED THINKING that YOU OWN VEDIC > ASTROLOGY? My friend? > RESPECT should not be demanded, it should come out of > it's own, through one's heart. Otherwise it will lead to > Slavery. Not for the sake of getting free advises, some > body calls pranams, guruji’s, etc. doesn't mean > anything.... > I am sure, you are uncomfortable to face the Harsh > TRUTH. And I already made my Points crystal clear, which > may seem uncomfortable to some. Readers are the Judges. > You don't have to worry. You did not read it properly, > You are diverting cleverly on the Points raised by me and > creating an Image as if I am attacking or disrespectful > to Dakshinamoorty Guruji, which was never the case. > Cunning people like you will not escape, I can answer, > even hundred letters on this subject and I have made some > principled statements only. If you don't like, that's > fine, but don't be a Hitler, by demanding to ban, > throwing others etc... Your intolerance and egoism is > quite obvious. > Anyway, You still need to grow up a lot and understand > many things. If you don't know the subject then just keep > quite and learn, what is real astrology. "Not all that is > Obvious is True." > I never said any thing or there was anything personal, > for what reason you are getting emotional and attributing > some thing non-essential. > I do respect all astrologer brothers on an equal and > mutual basis. > It was Never Personal, and I definitely respect the > Vedic knowledge and astrological knowledge of > Dakshinamoorthiji, and never questioned his learning, > that's why advanced points and reformative outlooks are > pointed out. > Don't think others don't know anything. I am also a > Vedic-Indian Astrologer….. > I think You did not understand or not yet mature > enough to understand the things. As time goes by, > everything needs reformation and changes and > modifications and some conservatives and vested > interested groups always don't want them. That's the flow > of the things, it is always resisted, thinking they are > always right and they only are the most eligible to > protect the masses. But out of repression comes a new > beginning and that will be real answer for people like > you. Only Time will tell and People will know the Truth > about themselves. You don't need to take so much trouble. > > ------- > .......Kabir is a harbinger, a herald of the future, > the first flower that heralds the spring. He is one of > the greatest poets of religion. He is not a theologian, > he does not belong to any religion. All religions belong > to him, but he is vast enough to contain all. No > particular religion defines him. He is a Hindu and a > Mohammedan and a Christian and a Jaina and a Buddhist. > He's a great beauty, a great poetry, a great orchestra. > Kabir is rare, he is a poor man. In Kabir, for the first > time a poor man is recognized as a man of God. Otherwise > it was a monopoly of kings and princes and rich people. > - The Revolution, Chapter #1 > Kabir, THE SONGS OF KABIR. Nothing like it exists in > the world. Kabir is incredibly beautiful. An uneducated > man, born a weaver -- to whom nobody knows -- his mother > left him on the bank of the Ganges. He must have been an > illegal child. But it is not enough to just be legal; he > was certainly illegal, but he was born out of love, and > love is the real law. I have also spoken much on Kabir > too, so there is no need to add anything except again and > again to say, "Kabir, I love you as I have never loved > any man. > - Books I Have Loved, Chapter #5 > Kabir is a nobody, a man of the masses, very poor, very > ordinary, with no education at all, with no culture. And > that is his rarity. Why do I call it his rarity? Because > to be ordinary in the world is the most extraordinary > thing. He was very ordinary -- and he remained ordinary. > Kabir is really that normal person that you never come > across in life, with no desire to be special. When he > became enlightened, then too he remained in his ordinary > life. He was a weaver; he continued to weave. > ----OSHO - Ecstasy - The Forgotten Language, Chapter #1 > Every Messiah brings a special message, a unique > message. This is Christ's special message. He simply > says, "Thy sins are forgiven." He is not miserly about > it. Unconditionally! There is no condition attached. He > is not saying, "You do this and you do that and then your > sins will be forgiven." No, he says, "They are forgiven. > You have loved much. Your tears have shown your > helplessness. I have seen into your heart." And I also > say, that if you are ready, if you pour down your heart, > your sins are forgiven. They are forgiven in your very > surrender. Not that I forgive them, they are forgiven in > your very trust; you are free, you are saved. > ----Osho > Your being is never reflected in the eyes of others. > Your being you have to come to know only in one way -- > and that is by closing your eyes to all the mirrors. You > have to enter into your own inward existence, to face it > directly. Nobody can give you any idea of it, what it is. > You can know it, but not from others. It can never be a > borrowed knowledge, it can only be a direct experience, a > direct experiencing, immediate. > ---osho----The Discipline of Transcendence Vol. 1 #2 > > Remember, be true to your inner voice. It may lead you > into danger, then go in danger, but remain true to the > inner voice. Then there is a possibility that one day you > will come to a state where you can dance with inner > fulfillment. Always look: the first thing is your being. > Don’t allow others to manipulate and control you—and they > are many; everybody is ready to control you, everybody is > ready to change you, everybody is ready to give you a > direction you have not asked for. Everybody is giving you > a guide for your life. The guide exists within you, you > carry the blueprint. > > To be authentic means to be true to oneself. It is a > very, very dangerous phenomenon; rare people can do that. > But whenever people do it, they achieve. They achieve > such beauty, such grace, such contentment that you cannot > imagine. The reason everybody looks so frustrated is that > nobody has listened to his own voice. You wanted to marry > a girl, but the girl was a Mohammedan and you are a Hindu > brahmin, your parents wouldn’t allow it. The society > wouldn’t accept it, it was dangerous. The girl was poor > and you are rich. So you married a rich woman, Hindu, > brahmin by caste, accepted by everybody but not by your > heart. So now you live an ugly life. Now you go to the > prostitute—but even prostitutes won’t help you; you have > prostituted your whole life. You wasted your whole life. > > Always listen to the inner voice, and don’t listen to > anything else. There are a thousand and one are > temptations around you, because many people are peddling > their things. It is a supermarket, the world, and > everybody in it is interested in selling his thing to > you. Everybody is a salesman. If you listen to too many > salesmen you will become mad. Don’t listen to anybody, > just close your eyes and listen to the inner voice. That > is what meditation is all about, to listen to the inner > voice. This is the first thing. > > Then the second thing—if you have done the first thing > only === message truncated === Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 DEAR FRIEND! IT WAS YOU, WHO FIRST SENT ME EVEN A PERSONAL COPY OF YOUR MESSAGE, AND I HAD TO REPLY. WHAT ELSE CAN I DO? YOU WANT THE UPPER HAND? YOU WRITE TO MY EMAIL PERSONALLY AND NOW THIS DRAMA? BECAUSE I HIT YOU SO GOOD ON THE SPOT? AND NOW YOU ARE UNABLE TO ANSWER? BLAMING ME? "ULTA CHOR KOTHWAL KO DANTA!" you say: >FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I WAS BORN IN SHUDRA YONI BUT >MANUSHYA GANA. Everybody comes from the same 'YONI', and everybody is born to a MANUSHYA only, you stupid fool! You have become mad with the wrong understanding of scriptures! You need a total emptying and overhauling service first. *BUDDHAM SHARANAMI GACCHAAMI!!* vedic astrology, Vedic Astrologer - Prakash <prakashkandpal wrote: > > PLEASE DONT WASTE MY TIME. I DONT WANT TO SPEND MY ENERGY > INTO YOUR SARCASTIC REMARKS. > > FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I WAS BORN IN SHUDRA YONI BUT > MANUSHYA GANA. > > DONT TALK LOVE IF YOU HAVE SO MUCH OF HATRED FILLED IN YOU. > YOU YOURSELF BECOME LIKE KABIR FIRST THEN TALK ABOUT HIM > OR LOVE. > > --- gaya sar'nath aghorabhairav wrote: > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN! > > Dear Friend Manovadi Prakash Kandapal! And All > > Manovadis! > > It is horrifying to see how rampant the casteism has > > caught the Mind. > > In the Guise of Vedic astrology, Inhuman-Manusmrithi is > > pushed, shamelessly. > > I am surprised at how much Junk You have acquired and > > how much illusory beliefs you have. It is a disease and > > it is a corrosion acquired through thousands of your > > cow-dung philosophy. The way all of you reacted when I > > questioned the brahminical word usage and on that > > pretext, how other people in Hinduism are exploited, a > > totally venomous onslaught and reaction has been > > displayed. It is because of the caste Brahmins, India and > > Hindus are dis-united and again it is because of high > > caste domination, lower caste people are converting. > > India and especially 90 crores of Hindus will never > > develop, as long as they are suppressed under the guise > > of holy-shit called Brahmanism, untouchability etc. > > In fact, to prove one's superiority, one needs an > > imagined lower category, other wise how will they prove > > that they are of higher category even without deserving > > to be so? So they create always an opposite to them > > selves, but infact they are the sides of the same coin. > > An Untouchable is as good as , and better as a Brahmin > > and a Brahmin is as worse as an Untouchable and even More > > chandalik than an Untouchable in reality. Hence birth is > > in no way, a basis for classification, however arrogantly > > the so-called caste-born Brahmins might think. Birth > > significance and superiority has gone long ago my friend. > > > > One Learned Friend used to say: > > "IF YOU SEE A SNAKE AND CASTE BRAHMIN, WHO WILL YOU > > KILL FIRST? > > Obviously KILL BRAHMIN, BECAUSE HE IS MORE DANGEROUS > > THAN A SNAKE!" > > Now the way you people have reacted, I can say hundred > > percent that casteism is still rampant in India. > > > > Here you say: > > You are welcome to throw questions etc. > > But my friend, I am not allowed to answer and my > > answers are blocked, your so-called upper caste, > > 'Brahman' knowledge moderators.... This is the hypocrisy > > and superiority domination game always played by almost > > all the religions, not only brahminical caste idiots. > > Here was my previous reply which was not published: > > Mohanraaam! > > Oh! Uhh! What an Arrogant Intolerance!..... > > What an irrelevant drool.... > > No doubt Hitler borrowed Swasthika from you upper caste > > Aryans. > > By not allowing any alternative discussions or bold > > questionings, is it not obvious that it is (people > > like)you who want to force your thinking and > > conditionings? > > SINCE WHEN DID YOU STARTED THINKING that YOU OWN VEDIC > > ASTROLOGY? My friend? > > RESPECT should not be demanded, it should come out of > > it's own, through one's heart. Otherwise it will lead to > > Slavery. Not for the sake of getting free advises, some > > body calls pranams, guruji's, etc. doesn't mean > > anything.... > > I am sure, you are uncomfortable to face the Harsh > > TRUTH. And I already made my Points crystal clear, which > > may seem uncomfortable to some. Readers are the Judges. > > You don't have to worry. You did not read it properly, > > You are diverting cleverly on the Points raised by me and > > creating an Image as if I am attacking or disrespectful > > to Dakshinamoorty Guruji, which was never the case. > > Cunning people like you will not escape, I can answer, > > even hundred letters on this subject and I have made some > > principled statements only. If you don't like, that's > > fine, but don't be a Hitler, by demanding to ban, > > throwing others etc... Your intolerance and egoism is > > quite obvious. > > Anyway, You still need to grow up a lot and understand > > many things. If you don't know the subject then just keep > > quite and learn, what is real astrology. "Not all that is > > Obvious is True." > > I never said any thing or there was anything personal, > > for what reason you are getting emotional and attributing > > some thing non-essential. > > I do respect all astrologer brothers on an equal and > > mutual basis. > > It was Never Personal, and I definitely respect the > > Vedic knowledge and astrological knowledge of > > Dakshinamoorthiji, and never questioned his learning, > > that's why advanced points and reformative outlooks are > > pointed out. > > Don't think others don't know anything. I am also a > > Vedic-Indian Astrologer….. > > I think You did not understand or not yet mature > > enough to understand the things. As time goes by, > > everything needs reformation and changes and > > modifications and some conservatives and vested > > interested groups always don't want them. That's the flow > > of the things, it is always resisted, thinking they are > > always right and they only are the most eligible to > > protect the masses. But out of repression comes a new > > beginning and that will be real answer for people like > > you. Only Time will tell and People will know the Truth > > about themselves. You don't need to take so much trouble. > > > > > ------\ ------------- > > .......Kabir is a harbinger, a herald of the future, > > the first flower that heralds the spring. He is one of > > the greatest poets of religion. He is not a theologian, > > he does not belong to any religion. All religions belong > > to him, but he is vast enough to contain all. No > > particular religion defines him. He is a Hindu and a > > Mohammedan and a Christian and a Jaina and a Buddhist. > > He's a great beauty, a great poetry, a great orchestra. > > Kabir is rare, he is a poor man. In Kabir, for the first > > time a poor man is recognized as a man of God. Otherwise > > it was a monopoly of kings and princes and rich people. > > - The Revolution, Chapter #1 > > Kabir, THE SONGS OF KABIR. Nothing like it exists in > > the world. Kabir is incredibly beautiful. An uneducated > > man, born a weaver -- to whom nobody knows -- his mother > > left him on the bank of the Ganges. He must have been an > > illegal child. But it is not enough to just be legal; he > > was certainly illegal, but he was born out of love, and > > love is the real law. I have also spoken much on Kabir > > too, so there is no need to add anything except again and > > again to say, "Kabir, I love you as I have never loved > > any man. > > - Books I Have Loved, Chapter #5 > > Kabir is a nobody, a man of the masses, very poor, very > > ordinary, with no education at all, with no culture. And > > that is his rarity. Why do I call it his rarity? Because > > to be ordinary in the world is the most extraordinary > > thing. He was very ordinary -- and he remained ordinary. > > Kabir is really that normal person that you never come > > across in life, with no desire to be special. When he > > became enlightened, then too he remained in his ordinary > > life. He was a weaver; he continued to weave. > > ----OSHO - Ecstasy - The Forgotten Language, Chapter #1 > > Every Messiah brings a special message, a unique > > message. This is Christ's special message. He simply > > says, "Thy sins are forgiven." He is not miserly about > > it. Unconditionally! There is no condition attached. He > > is not saying, "You do this and you do that and then your > > sins will be forgiven." No, he says, "They are forgiven. > > You have loved much. Your tears have shown your > > helplessness. I have seen into your heart." And I also > > say, that if you are ready, if you pour down your heart, > > your sins are forgiven. They are forgiven in your very > > surrender. Not that I forgive them, they are forgiven in > > your very trust; you are free, you are saved. > > ----Osho > > Your being is never reflected in the eyes of others. > > Your being you have to come to know only in one way -- > > and that is by closing your eyes to all the mirrors. You > > have to enter into your own inward existence, to face it > > directly. Nobody can give you any idea of it, what it is. > > You can know it, but not from others. It can never be a > > borrowed knowledge, it can only be a direct experience, a > > direct experiencing, immediate. > > ---osho----The Discipline of Transcendence Vol. 1 #2 > > > > Remember, be true to your inner voice. It may lead you > > into danger, then go in danger, but remain true to the > > inner voice. Then there is a possibility that one day you > > will come to a state where you can dance with inner > > fulfillment. Always look: the first thing is your being. > > Don't allow others to manipulate and control you—and they > > are many; everybody is ready to control you, everybody is > > ready to change you, everybody is ready to give you a > > direction you have not asked for. Everybody is giving you > > a guide for your life. The guide exists within you, you > > carry the blueprint. > > > > To be authentic means to be true to oneself. It is a > > very, very dangerous phenomenon; rare people can do that. > > But whenever people do it, they achieve. They achieve > > such beauty, such grace, such contentment that you cannot > > imagine. The reason everybody looks so frustrated is that > > nobody has listened to his own voice. You wanted to marry > > a girl, but the girl was a Mohammedan and you are a Hindu > > brahmin, your parents wouldn't allow it. The society > > wouldn't accept it, it was dangerous. The girl was poor > > and you are rich. So you married a rich woman, Hindu, > > brahmin by caste, accepted by everybody but not by your > > heart. So now you live an ugly life. Now you go to the > > prostitute—but even prostitutes won't help you; you have > > prostituted your whole life. You wasted your whole life. > > > > Always listen to the inner voice, and don't listen to > > anything else. There are a thousand and one are > > temptations around you, because many people are peddling > > their things. It is a supermarket, the world, and > > everybody in it is interested in selling his thing to > > you. Everybody is a salesman. If you listen to too many > > salesmen you will become mad. Don't listen to anybody, > > just close your eyes and listen to the inner voice. That > > is what meditation is all about, to listen to the inner > > voice. This is the first thing. > > > > Then the second thing—if you have done the first thing > > only > === message truncated === > > > > > ______________________\ ____________ > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > http://new.mail. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Is this about knowledge exchange or a spat session/s and no bias on what u dont know or have lived but what the LEFTISTS [COMMUNISTS ] and anti Hindu elements said is worht it finally we may have to improt the use of Haldi, neem, tulasi etc from USA or evenchina by sticking to hatred taught and bred on false hood every sme clergy in every religion misused their position by pleaseing some greedy rulers here Kshatryas/thakurs. does it make them guilty or the power driven ones what is arjun Singh a takur doing today wants reservation every one even Muslims.to stay in power now this the route in past use scriptures against ignorat people so spread the message powerful have misuded relgion,. the church has done this till late 18th century. all that is said in religion is good the way it is used by some is bad WE CAN SEE THAT happen daily in Islam in many parts of the world, many good souls exist there whoa re hardly seen. so dont carry any bias on mere text books by the leftists how may medals have the reserved lot earned in the sports arena which is not controlled by anyone and all powerful reserved politiciasn are there why no one gets one medal where as blacks with some affirmativee action only to a poin after that it issheer merrit shine is so many sports, and academics as well. if u get te answer ur bias will go,whichis our salvation lies with us not on hatted tos some1 esp past whenre none of us were here to have a role, record of anyone of our misdeeds or good deeds G B Prashant Kumar aghorabhairav <aghorabhairav .au> vedic astrology Monday, November 13, 2006 5:02:28 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Pl. help ( Brahman shapa ) DEAR FRIEND! IT WAS YOU, WHO FIRST SENT ME EVEN A PERSONAL COPY OF YOUR MESSAGE, AND I HAD TO REPLY. WHAT ELSE CAN I DO? YOU WANT THE UPPER HAND? YOU WRITE TO MY EMAIL PERSONALLY AND NOW THIS DRAMA? BECAUSE I HIT YOU SO GOOD ON THE SPOT? AND NOW YOU ARE UNABLE TO ANSWER? BLAMING ME? "ULTA CHOR KOTHWAL KO DANTA!" you say: >FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I WAS BORN IN SHUDRA YONI BUT >MANUSHYA GANA. Everybody comes from the same 'YONI', and everybody is born to a MANUSHYA only, you stupid fool! You have become mad with the wrong understanding of scriptures! You need a total emptying and overhauling service first. *BUDDHAM SHARANAMI GACCHAAMI!!* vedic astrology, Vedic Astrologer - Prakash <prakashkandpal@ ...> wrote: > > PLEASE DONT WASTE MY TIME. I DONT WANT TO SPEND MY ENERGY > INTO YOUR SARCASTIC REMARKS. > > FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I WAS BORN IN SHUDRA YONI BUT > MANUSHYA GANA. > > DONT TALK LOVE IF YOU HAVE SO MUCH OF HATRED FILLED IN YOU. > YOU YOURSELF BECOME LIKE KABIR FIRST THEN TALK ABOUT HIM > OR LOVE. > > --- gaya sar'nath aghorabhairav@ ... wrote: > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN! > > Dear Friend Manovadi Prakash Kandapal! And All > > Manovadis! > > It is horrifying to see how rampant the casteism has > > caught the Mind. > > In the Guise of Vedic astrology, Inhuman-Manusmrithi is > > pushed, shamelessly. > > I am surprised at how much Junk You have acquired and > > how much illusory beliefs you have. It is a disease and > > it is a corrosion acquired through thousands of your > > cow-dung philosophy. The way all of you reacted when I > > questioned the brahminical word usage and on that > > pretext, how other people in Hinduism are exploited, a > > totally venomous onslaught and reaction has been > > displayed. It is because of the caste Brahmins, India and > > Hindus are dis-united and again it is because of high > > caste domination, lower caste people are converting. > > India and especially 90 crores of Hindus will never > > develop, as long as they are suppressed under the guise > > of holy-shit called Brahmanism, untouchability etc. > > In fact, to prove one's superiority, one needs an > > imagined lower category, other wise how will they prove > > that they are of higher category even without deserving > > to be so? So they create always an opposite to them > > selves, but infact they are the sides of the same coin. > > An Untouchable is as good as , and better as a Brahmin > > and a Brahmin is as worse as an Untouchable and even More > > chandalik than an Untouchable in reality. Hence birth is > > in no way, a basis for classification, however arrogantly > > the so-called caste-born Brahmins might think. Birth > > significance and superiority has gone long ago my friend. > > > > One Learned Friend used to say: > > "IF YOU SEE A SNAKE AND CASTE BRAHMIN, WHO WILL YOU > > KILL FIRST? > > Obviously KILL BRAHMIN, BECAUSE HE IS MORE DANGEROUS > > THAN A SNAKE!" > > Now the way you people have reacted, I can say hundred > > percent that casteism is still rampant in India. > > > > Here you say: > > You are welcome to throw questions etc. > > But my friend, I am not allowed to answer and my > > answers are blocked, your so-called upper caste, > > 'Brahman' knowledge moderators.. .. This is the hypocrisy > > and superiority domination game always played by almost > > all the religions, not only brahminical caste idiots. > > Here was my previous reply which was not published: > > Mohanraaam! > > Oh! Uhh! What an Arrogant Intolerance! ..... > > What an irrelevant drool.... > > No doubt Hitler borrowed Swasthika from you upper caste > > Aryans. > > By not allowing any alternative discussions or bold > > questionings, is it not obvious that it is (people > > like)you who want to force your thinking and > > conditionings? > > SINCE WHEN DID YOU STARTED THINKING that YOU OWN VEDIC > > ASTROLOGY? My friend? > > RESPECT should not be demanded, it should come out of > > it's own, through one's heart. Otherwise it will lead to > > Slavery. Not for the sake of getting free advises, some > > body calls pranams, guruji's, etc. doesn't mean > > anything.... > > I am sure, you are uncomfortable to face the Harsh > > TRUTH. And I already made my Points crystal clear, which > > may seem uncomfortable to some. Readers are the Judges. > > You don't have to worry. You did not read it properly, > > You are diverting cleverly on the Points raised by me and > > creating an Image as if I am attacking or disrespectful > > to Dakshinamoorty Guruji, which was never the case. > > Cunning people like you will not escape, I can answer, > > even hundred letters on this subject and I have made some > > principled statements only. If you don't like, that's > > fine, but don't be a Hitler, by demanding to ban, > > throwing others etc... Your intolerance and egoism is > > quite obvious. > > Anyway, You still need to grow up a lot and understand > > many things. If you don't know the subject then just keep > > quite and learn, what is real astrology. "Not all that is > > Obvious is True." > > I never said any thing or there was anything personal, > > for what reason you are getting emotional and attributing > > some thing non-essential. > > I do respect all astrologer brothers on an equal and > > mutual basis. > > It was Never Personal, and I definitely respect the > > Vedic knowledge and astrological knowledge of > > Dakshinamoorthiji, and never questioned his learning, > > that's why advanced points and reformative outlooks are > > pointed out. > > Don't think others don't know anything. I am also a > > Vedic-Indian Astrologer….. > > I think You did not understand or not yet mature > > enough to understand the things. As time goes by, > > everything needs reformation and changes and > > modifications and some conservatives and vested > > interested groups always don't want them. That's the flow > > of the things, it is always resisted, thinking they are > > always right and they only are the most eligible to > > protect the masses. But out of repression comes a new > > beginning and that will be real answer for people like > > you. Only Time will tell and People will know the Truth > > about themselves. You don't need to take so much trouble. > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -\ ------------ - > > .......Kabir is a harbinger, a herald of the future, > > the first flower that heralds the spring. He is one of > > the greatest poets of religion. He is not a theologian, > > he does not belong to any religion. All religions belong > > to him, but he is vast enough to contain all. No > > particular religion defines him. He is a Hindu and a > > Mohammedan and a Christian and a Jaina and a Buddhist. > > He's a great beauty, a great poetry, a great orchestra. > > Kabir is rare, he is a poor man. In Kabir, for the first > > time a poor man is recognized as a man of God. Otherwise > > it was a monopoly of kings and princes and rich people. > > - The Revolution, Chapter #1 > > Kabir, THE SONGS OF KABIR. Nothing like it exists in > > the world. Kabir is incredibly beautiful. An uneducated > > man, born a weaver -- to whom nobody knows -- his mother > > left him on the bank of the Ganges. He must have been an > > illegal child. But it is not enough to just be legal; he > > was certainly illegal, but he was born out of love, and > > love is the real law. I have also spoken much on Kabir > > too, so there is no need to add anything except again and > > again to say, "Kabir, I love you as I have never loved > > any man. > > - Books I Have Loved, Chapter #5 > > Kabir is a nobody, a man of the masses, very poor, very > > ordinary, with no education at all, with no culture. And > > that is his rarity. Why do I call it his rarity? Because > > to be ordinary in the world is the most extraordinary > > thing. He was very ordinary -- and he remained ordinary. > > Kabir is really that normal person that you never come > > across in life, with no desire to be special. When he > > became enlightened, then too he remained in his ordinary > > life. He was a weaver; he continued to weave. > > ----OSHO - Ecstasy - The Forgotten Language, Chapter #1 > > Every Messiah brings a special message, a unique > > message. This is Christ's special message. He simply > > says, "Thy sins are forgiven." He is not miserly about > > it. Unconditionally! There is no condition attached. He > > is not saying, "You do this and you do that and then your > > sins will be forgiven." No, he says, "They are forgiven. > > You have loved much. Your tears have shown your > > helplessness. I have seen into your heart." And I also > > say, that if you are ready, if you pour down your heart, > > your sins are forgiven. They are forgiven in your very > > surrender. Not that I forgive them, they are forgiven in > > your very trust; you are free, you are saved. > > ----Osho > > Your being is never reflected in the eyes of others. > > Your being you have to come to know only in one way -- > > and that is by closing your eyes to all the mirrors. You > > have to enter into your own inward existence, to face it > > directly. Nobody can give you any idea of it, what it is. > > You can know it, but not from others. It can never be a > > borrowed knowledge, it can only be a direct experience, a > > direct experiencing, immediate. > > ---osho----The Discipline of Transcendence Vol. 1 #2 > > > > Remember, be true to your inner voice. It may lead you > > into danger, then go in danger, but remain true to the > > inner voice. Then there is a possibility that one day you > > will come to a state where you can dance with inner > > fulfillment. Always look: the first thing is your being. > > Don't allow others to manipulate and control you—and they > > are many; everybody is ready to control you, everybody is > > ready to change you, everybody is ready to give you a > > direction you have not asked for. Everybody is giving you > > a guide for your life. The guide exists within you, you > > carry the blueprint. > > > > To be authentic means to be true to oneself. It is a > > very, very dangerous phenomenon; rare people can do that. > > But whenever people do it, they achieve. They achieve > > such beauty, such grace, such contentment that you cannot > > imagine. The reason everybody looks so frustrated is that > > nobody has listened to his own voice. You wanted to marry > > a girl, but the girl was a Mohammedan and you are a Hindu > > brahmin, your parents wouldn't allow it. The society > > wouldn't accept it, it was dangerous. The girl was poor > > and you are rich. So you married a rich woman, Hindu, > > brahmin by caste, accepted by everybody but not by your > > heart. So now you live an ugly life. Now you go to the > > prostitute—but even prostitutes won't help you; you have > > prostituted your whole life. You wasted your whole life. > > > > Always listen to the inner voice, and don't listen to > > anything else. There are a thousand and one are > > temptations around you, because many people are peddling > > their things. It is a supermarket, the world, and > > everybody in it is interested in selling his thing to > > you. Everybody is a salesman. If you listen to too many > > salesmen you will become mad. Don't listen to anybody, > > just close your eyes and listen to the inner voice. That > > is what meditation is all about, to listen to the inner > > voice. This is the first thing. > > > > Then the second thing—if you have done the first thing > > only > === message truncated === > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _\ ____________ > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > http://new.mail. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Ananda You say about yourself "I am also a Vedic-Indian Astrologer (Jyothish Visharada and other etc. etcs.....)", so since you claim to be a learned astrologer, why not divert/use your knowledge/time to help others on this group who seek astrological advices rather than wasting your time/energy in lengthy meaningless debates!! This way - by giving astrolgical advices - you may also suggest your own kind of remedies - of course it will be up to the person seeking help to do the remedies or not. vedic astrology, "aghorabhairav" <aghorabhairav wrote: > > > Mohanraaam! > > Oh!uhh! What an Arrogant Intolerance!..... > > What an irrelevant droool.... > > No doubt Hitler borrowed Swasthika from you upper caste Aryans. > > By not allowing any alternative discussions or bold questionings, is it > not obvious that it is (people like)you who want to force your thinking > and conditionings? > > SINCE WHEN DID YOU STARTED THINKING that YOU OWN VEDIC ASTROLOGY? My > friend? > > RESPECT should not be demanded, it should come out of it's own, through > one's heart. Otherwise it will lead to Slavery. Not for the sake of > getting free advises, some body calls pranams,guruji's, etc. doesn't > mean anything.... > > I am sure, you are uncomfortable to face the Harsh TRUTH. And I already > made my Points crystal clear, which may seem uncomfortable to some. > Readers are the Judges. You don't have to worry. You did not read it > properly, You are diverting cleverly on the Points raised by me and > creating an Image as if I am attacking or disrespectful to > Dakshinamoorty Guruji, which was never the case. Cunning people like you > will not escape, I can answer, even hundred letters on this subject and > I have made some principled statements only. If you don't like, that's > fine, but don't be a Hitler, by demanding to ban, throwing others etc... > Your intolerance and egoism is quite obvious. > > Anyway, You still need to grow up a lot and understand many things. If > you don't know the subject then just keep quite and learn, what is real > astrology. "Not all that is Obvious is True." > > I never said any thing or there was anything personal, for what reason > you are getting emotional and attributing some thing non-essential. > > I do respect all astrologer brothers on a equal and mutual basis. > > It was Never Personal, and I definitely respect the vedic knowledge and > astrological knowledge of Dakshinamoorthiji, and never questioned his > learning, that's why advanced points and reformative outlooks are > pointed out. > > Don't think others don't know anything. I am also a Vedic-Indian > Astrologer (Jyothish Visharada and other etc. etcs.....). > > I think You did not understand or not yet mature enough to > understand the things. As time goes by, everything needs reformation and > changes and modifications and some conservatives and vested interested > groups always don't want them. That's the flow of the things, it is > always resisted, thinking they are always right and they only are the > most eligible to protect the masses. But out of reppression comes a new > begining and that will be real answer for people like you. Only Time > will tell and People will know the Truth about themselves. You don't > need to take so much trouble. > > Your being is never reflected in the eyes of others. Your being you > have to come to know only in one way -- and that is by closing your eyes > to all the mirrors. You have to enter into your own inward existence, to > face it directly. Nobody can give you any idea of it, what it is. You > can know it, but not from others. It can never be a borrowed knowledge, > it can only be a direct experience, a direct experiencing, immediate. > > ----The Discipline of Transcendence Vol. 1 #2 > > > > vedic astrology, "mohanraaam" <mohanraaam@> > wrote: > > > > Dear "Aghorabhairav": > > > > YOu are not aware of the person against whom you are imputing > > motives! Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is a very respected contributor of > > this columns and ask the scores and scores of people benefitted by > > his counsel whether he is bigotted.....Infact, Guruji is a living > > example of integrating vedic values in a modern living. You have > > written "IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY"....but your outlook and > > approach itself is very negative. I can say without fear of > > contradiction that Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is the most positive > > astrologer I have ever met.....He never scares his clients; on the > > contrary, he does his best to assuage the anxieties of those who sek > > his help everyday. In spite of his busy schedule, he devotes his > > time to post messages in this column so that learners of this subject > > can get benefitted. He has lived a life steeped in spiritual > > principles and when he says something, it is almost always correct. > > > > You have not read Guruji's post properly....He has very clearly > > stated in the very first point that all pious persons with spiritual > > values in life are Brahmins and not merely those who are Brahmins by > > birth. In fact, this is Guruji's basic principle in life though he > > himself was born as a Brahmin of the highest caste. Guruji used to > > cite examples of great saints of various classes of society to stress > > his point. Guruji's take on caste is that it may be relevant for > > certain vedic karmaas of a normal human life; but once a person goes > > beyond the limitations of mundane existence and treads the spiritual > > path, there should be no distinction based on caste. > > > > Brahmana saapa exists....and it is supported in classics like Brihat > > Parasara Hora Shaastra and various Naadi granthaas. If you do not > > believe in all this, you are free to start your own forum on SO- > > CALLED RADICAL ASTROLOGY. If a patient goes to a doctor with an > > ailment, the treatment has to be given whether it is to the taste of > > the patient or not......You cannot call a doctor as "POSITIVE MEDICAL > > PRACTITIONER" if he just ignores the ailment and says "It does not > > exist at all!" Your claiming to be a positive astrologer by assertin > > g"There is not Brahmana saapaa at all" without analyzing the native's > > horoscope is not positive astrology but idiocy at its heights. > > Moreoever, the honourable member of this forum wanted advice on > > Bramana saapa which he obviously believes in.....Learned Guruji > > answered it to calm down the native. You must understand that Guruji > > did not ask the hairpin for himself...he has no monetary interest in > > this issue at all! He has also suggested an alternative of > > sponsoring the vedic studies of a student to get rid of the curse. > > Obviously it is a measure of charity! You can have alternate views > > on issues; but you cannot brush away all previous authorities and > > usurp the role of propogator of "Positive astrology". > > > > In one of your recent posts, you had wanted to quit the forum. > > Kindly do so and do a service to this forum instead of spreading hate > > in this forum of vedic knowledge. > > > > Otherwise, many members will be forced to demand your ban from this > > group and throw you way with ignomity. > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > vedic astrology, > > "aghorabhairav" aghorabhairav@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY > > > > > > Dear Member > > > > > > > > > > > > I also can pity your ignorance! > > > > > > First point, How this person can be responsible for some imagined > > karma > > > done in some imagined precious birth? when is first Karma > > committed? In > > > which Birth? > > > > > > If it is not caused by any explicit nature, then what is the point > > in > > > making him suffer through guilt complex and some unknown unrelated > > > person getting substantial benefit of Gold extracted from such > > > gullibles? > > > > > > May I ask You, from which Shastra and out of which experience have > > you > > > suggested such a make belief remedy? > > > > > > > > > > > > And about harming others, My opinion is one should not harm EVEN any > > > living being, they need not be especially "Brahmin" variety [] . > > > > > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > > > Ø The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of how > > > >even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood! > > > > > > > > > > > > This statement implies that You are having an opinion that Brahmin > > means > > > by birth and thus implying the innate superior casteism in you is > > quite > > > obvious, so the bigotry IS IMPLIED. Sage Vishwamitra was a victim of > > > Brahminical hypocrisy. His story shows that, even kings were highly > > > manipulated by the brahminical castes at those times, which even > > > continues now, unfortunately. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > > > >What is the > > > >point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not brand everyone as a bigoted Brahmin priest, but I did > > brand a > > > bigoted Brahmin as a `Bigoted Brahmin', Why are you getting > > > worried? Unless you are in to supporting them? > > > > > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > > > ? Faith is > > > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut brains > > > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified these > > > rituals and practices in the past.... > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying anything against the Mahathmas or Sages who coded > > these > > > rituals for the benefit of Universe and the whole humanity. I am > > just > > > saying that there are some intelligent sections of the community who > > > monopolized the whole issue and out of their selfish interests, > > these > > > sections (some) have misused to scare the general public and make > > them > > > pay up through their nose. Do you give guarantee that they are not > > being > > > misused? To scare the public and extract money and cheat the public? > > > > > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > > > Our motive should be to help him to come to > > > positive terms with his life. > > > > > > > > > > > > But how can you? You Yourself are not Positive? And how can a > > Expensive > > > Golden Hairpin Solve all the Problems? I will guarantee you that, > > > nothing is going to happen, whether he gifts the Golden Hairpin to a > > > Brahmin or not. Please Stop this Natak (drama) and you are trying to > > > explain all other unrelated stuff to support your mistake. You are > > not > > > really Enlightened Astrologer? Are You? Or just a Brahmin Caste > > Pandith? > > > > > > Who think that astrology is their birth right or some thing etc.???? > > > > > > A Positive thinking, strength and a fearlessness to > > face any > > > challenge of life is what is needed. An inner transformation of the > > > innate nature, to conquer and master one's own way of life is needed > > > and an astrologer's job is to strengthen the positive traits of his > > > client but not to scare him with negativity and take advantage of > > his > > > fears. I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but there is a > > > school of thinking of Modern Astrologers, who advocate a Positive > > > Astrology and Therapeutic Counselling compared to the majority of > > > ancient astrologers and the so called pundits who write all > > (mostly) the > > > negative predictions of the life, making the client's life more > > > miserable but in the end the Brahmin and the astrologer benefiting > > from > > > the Dakshinas. This is one of the major reasons, why astrology got > > the > > > bad name. There needs be more understanding of principles of > > astrology > > > and the application of sutras to modern life in more broader secular > > > terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > As I am putting these as an alternative and radical modern thinking > > for > > > the future astrologers to keep in Mind and not to follow everything > > > blindly or have a superior caste ego. An astrologer should be Ego- > > Less > > > and Rebellious first. And not expect too much or have a superiority > > > complex. He has to experiment a lot and come to conclusions in a > > > scientific and viable way. > > > > > > > > > > > > I repeat: > > > > > > Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted Brahmana Shapa etc. > > > They are all Made out things And Additions later on, to make money > > and > > > get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of Society in the name > > of > > > Astrology. > > > > > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, > > Meditations, > > > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality and > > > Prayerfulness. > > > > > > > > > > > > And proceed happily with your life in a Positive Manner, Fearlessly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes to All. > > > > > > > > > > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Namasthay > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: There are no assumptions of superiority, BUT only friendly > > > discussions on principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Member: > > > > > > > > I can only pity your ignorance! Brahmana curse does not necessariy > > > > arise out of "explicit curse" of a Brahmin. It is caused by any of > > > > the following reasons: > > > > > > > > 1) Willful insult to a pious brahmin (here brahmin does not > > > > necessarily mean the "narrow definition" by birth....any pious > > person > > > > with satwik qualities and engaged in spiritual pursuits and Aatma > > > > bhaava is a Brahmin; one who upholds truthfulness is a > > > > brahmin.....The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of > > how > > > > even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood!). > > > > > > > > 2) Imputing motives to the well-meaning shastraic suggestions of a > > > > learned person. > > > > > > > > 3) Disrespect to scriptures and vedas (rational analysis of > > > > scriptures is not a sin; but opiniated outbursts against shastras > > is > > > > a clear disrespect to shastras!). > > > > > > > > 4) Knowingly or unknowingly harming a true brahmin will lead to > > > > brahminical curse. A true Brahmin may not even curse others...but, > > > > the agony of the distressed soul will take the form of a > > curse....at > > > > least if the pious person had cursed, the results would have been > > > > limited to the terms of the curse...but when a pious person just > > > > feels the pain of an act and keeps quiet, the wrath of the deities > > > > will definitely befall on the doer of that injustice as a powerful > > > > curse that may continue for many births. Any person who curses > > > > another invokes severe karma. The karmic wheel is true and > > > > unfailing! Even great sages of yore have lost their hard- earned > > > > tapasya powers by cursing others.....But, curses do have their > > > > effects and that cannot be denied! If one stabs you with a knife > > you > > > > will die; that the other person invokes severe karma does not > > prevent > > > > you from getting hurt. In the same way, curses do have their > > effect > > > > if the curser is even marginally more powerful than you in terms > > of > > > > occult powers or mantra siddhi. > > > > > > > > This is a knowledge forum....and arguments should be based on > > > > shastraic injunctions and not on mere surmises or hate on certain > > > > castes/creeds! There are so many things that are not found in any > > of > > > > the books and come by tradition over countless years. You cannot > > > > brush everything as being "invented" for money. Wrath is > > unbecoming > > > > of a scholar. There are some valid philosophical points in your > > post > > > > but your hate for certain sect is so palpable that it is the only > > > > thing that will be obvious to the members reading your > > post.....the > > > > person who had raised query wants a solution and he is entering > > into > > > > a mundane life.....Our motive should be to help him to come to > > > > positive terms with his life. Can the member who raised the query > > > > afford to get married without a priest? Won't he feel the pressure > > > > of his family or for that matter, the bride's family? What is the > > > > point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? Faith is > > > > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut > > brains > > > > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified > > these > > > > rituals and practices in the past....Let us not assume our own > > > > superiority in these matters. This is my humble request. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > > "aghorabhairav" aghorabhairav@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPREADING TOO MUCH SUPERSTITIONS IS TO BE CONDEMNED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can You Tell me who is a real Vedic Brahmana? IS there anybody? > > > > > Really?.... > > > > > > > > > > I don't think Bigoted 'officiating priests' are real Vedic > > > > Brahmanas. > > > > > > > > > > Also what kind of Karma will that Brahmana Who cursed will > > undergo? > > > > What > > > > > kind of Remedy/Shanthi that Cursing real Vedic Brahmana DO? > > > > > > > > > > If he is really a real Vedic 'Brahmana' (who cannot/incapable of > > > > control > > > > > of any of his Indriyas), can he not control his/her anger/ > > emotions? > > > > > > > > > > I say the better remedy is to curse back that real fake Vedic > > > > Brahmana > > > > > (who ever is supposed to have cursed you), and take out that > > fear > > > > from > > > > > your Mind and Subconscious Conditioning by Superstitious > > Thinking > > > > (used > > > > > by negative astrology), and proceed happily with your life in a > > > > Positive > > > > > Manner, Fearlessly. Don't worry, there are no such things as > > Bigoted > > > > > Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And Additions > > > > later on, > > > > > to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes > > of > > > > > Society in the name of Astrology. > > > > > > > > > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, > > > > Meditations, > > > > > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality > > and > > > > > Prayerfulness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes to All. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namasthay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sagarvpatil: > > > > > > > > > > > > You may gift a golden hair-pin to your prospective bride on > > the > > > > day > > > > > > of the betrothal (the day before the marriage). The bride > > should > > > > > > wear it throughout the marriage ceremony. After the > > saptapathi and > > > > > > mangala sutra dhaaranam are over, you must gift this hair-pin > > to a > > > > > > vedic brahmin praying that all brahmana curses should be > > > > neutralized > > > > > > by this gift to a vedic brahmin. You can offer the hair- pin as > > > > gift > > > > > > to the officiating priest of the marriage. Do this with full > > faith > > > > > > and with the attitude that you are offering this gift to the > > Veda > > > > > > purushaa Himself without having any doubts as to whether the > > > > > > recipient of the gift is qualified for that exalted status! > > Our > > > > > > attitude can cover up for the possible deficiency of the > > > > recipient.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, you can sponsor a samaaradhana for one day in a > > veda > > > > > > patasaala and honour the vedic teachers and students if you > > can > > > > make > > > > > > a visit to a patasala like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Curses are overcome by donations and charities rather than by > > > > wearing > > > > > > the concerned gemstones ourselves! > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > > > > "sagarvpatil" sagarvpatil@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujis, > > > > > > > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th > > house(Gemini) > > > > and > > > > > > > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter is in 8th house in > > > > Meena > > > > > > > Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects > > because of > > > > > > this > > > > > > > shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am wearing an > > > > > > pushpraj > > > > > > > stone, is it going to help me? > > > > > > > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house, will > > this > > > > > > > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in Dec > > 06, > > > > so I > > > > > > > would like to know what care I should take. > > > > > > > My Birth details are as follows: > > > > > > > B.09-07-1975 > > > > > > > B.Time: 09:05am > > > > > > > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards > > > > > > > Sagar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Om Namah Shivayah! Dear Brother! I am also doing astrological services and advises, as per my time and ability and mostly locally. And if time permits I will be posting once in a while. And infact I am active in some other groups related with Enlightenment and Esoteric. I don't know if you are aware of my website www.fortunepredictions.com <http://www.fortunepredictions.com> . Remedies In ASTROLOGY are not like allopathy medicine, just one type of tablet for a disease for all individuals. It is like Homeopathic Medicine, where we have to treat each individual with diffrent types of doses and medicines according to the nature of the Individual and his/her background. But the action and result of the remedy should be as fast as Allopathy. Anyway, we have to mix all types of remedies prescribed in a pragmatic way, for example, where a particular religious person may not like to do, what is written exactly in classical books, so we have to replace with equivalents and see the nature of the individual. For Example, One may not like to go to temples or do religious activities, but still he may like to serve the orphans or poor people etc. (Maanava Sevay Madhava Seva!) We have to apply many principles to make the individual realize the futility of this Maya ridden world and ultimately put him in the path of self realization, which is the purpose of all our Upanishads and Scriptures etc... So for example, I live in Australia and Some People don't have that much time to do lots of Japas and Rituals, but still I push most of the Lalkitab remedies and Charity/Meditations Remedies etc etc. I do also prescribe vedic, ritual remedies....but, Any way It All depends on each Individual and His/her UNIQUENESS. So many things/factors are involved in advising Remedies..... Best Wishes Ananda Hari Om Tatsat! vedic astrology, "icymaiden2000" <icymaiden2000 wrote: > > Ananda > > You say about yourself "I am also a Vedic-Indian > Astrologer (Jyothish Visharada and other etc. etcs.....)", so since > you claim to be a learned astrologer, why not divert/use your > knowledge/time to help others on this group who seek astrological > advices rather than wasting your time/energy in lengthy meaningless > debates!! > > This way - by giving astrolgical advices - you may also suggest your > own kind of remedies - of course it will be up to the person seeking > help to do the remedies or not. > > > > > vedic astrology, "aghorabhairav" > aghorabhairav@ wrote: > > > > > > Mohanraaam! > > > > Oh!uhh! What an Arrogant Intolerance!..... > > > > What an irrelevant droool.... > > > > No doubt Hitler borrowed Swasthika from you upper caste Aryans. > > > > By not allowing any alternative discussions or bold questionings, > is it > > not obvious that it is (people like)you who want to force your > thinking > > and conditionings? > > > > SINCE WHEN DID YOU STARTED THINKING that YOU OWN VEDIC ASTROLOGY? > My > > friend? > > > > RESPECT should not be demanded, it should come out of it's own, > through > > one's heart. Otherwise it will lead to Slavery. Not for the sake of > > getting free advises, some body calls pranams,guruji's, etc. > doesn't > > mean anything.... > > > > I am sure, you are uncomfortable to face the Harsh TRUTH. And I > already > > made my Points crystal clear, which may seem uncomfortable to some. > > Readers are the Judges. You don't have to worry. You did not read > it > > properly, You are diverting cleverly on the Points raised by me and > > creating an Image as if I am attacking or disrespectful to > > Dakshinamoorty Guruji, which was never the case. Cunning people > like you > > will not escape, I can answer, even hundred letters on this > subject and > > I have made some principled statements only. If you don't like, > that's > > fine, but don't be a Hitler, by demanding to ban, throwing others > etc... > > Your intolerance and egoism is quite obvious. > > > > Anyway, You still need to grow up a lot and understand many > things. If > > you don't know the subject then just keep quite and learn, what is > real > > astrology. "Not all that is Obvious is True." > > > > I never said any thing or there was anything personal, for what > reason > > you are getting emotional and attributing some thing non-essential. > > > > I do respect all astrologer brothers on a equal and mutual basis. > > > > It was Never Personal, and I definitely respect the vedic > knowledge and > > astrological knowledge of Dakshinamoorthiji, and never questioned > his > > learning, that's why advanced points and reformative outlooks are > > pointed out. > > > > Don't think others don't know anything. I am also a Vedic-Indian > > Astrologer (Jyothish Visharada and other etc. etcs.....). > > > > I think You did not understand or not yet mature enough to > > understand the things. As time goes by, everything needs > reformation and > > changes and modifications and some conservatives and vested > interested > > groups always don't want them. That's the flow of the things, it is > > always resisted, thinking they are always right and they only are > the > > most eligible to protect the masses. But out of reppression comes > a new > > begining and that will be real answer for people like you. Only > Time > > will tell and People will know the Truth about themselves. You > don't > > need to take so much trouble. > > > > Your being is never reflected in the eyes of others. Your being > you > > have to come to know only in one way -- and that is by closing > your eyes > > to all the mirrors. You have to enter into your own inward > existence, to > > face it directly. Nobody can give you any idea of it, what it is. > You > > can know it, but not from others. It can never be a borrowed > knowledge, > > it can only be a direct experience, a direct experiencing, > immediate. > > > > ----The Discipline of Transcendence Vol. 1 #2 > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "mohanraaam" <mohanraaam@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear "Aghorabhairav": > > > > > > YOu are not aware of the person against whom you are imputing > > > motives! Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is a very respected > contributor of > > > this columns and ask the scores and scores of people benefitted > by > > > his counsel whether he is bigotted.....Infact, Guruji is a living > > > example of integrating vedic values in a modern living. You have > > > written "IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY"....but your outlook > and > > > approach itself is very negative. I can say without fear of > > > contradiction that Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji is the most positive > > > astrologer I have ever met.....He never scares his clients; on > the > > > contrary, he does his best to assuage the anxieties of those who > sek > > > his help everyday. In spite of his busy schedule, he devotes his > > > time to post messages in this column so that learners of this > subject > > > can get benefitted. He has lived a life steeped in spiritual > > > principles and when he says something, it is almost always > correct. > > > > > > You have not read Guruji's post properly....He has very clearly > > > stated in the very first point that all pious persons with > spiritual > > > values in life are Brahmins and not merely those who are > Brahmins by > > > birth. In fact, this is Guruji's basic principle in life though > he > > > himself was born as a Brahmin of the highest caste. Guruji used > to > > > cite examples of great saints of various classes of society to > stress > > > his point. Guruji's take on caste is that it may be relevant for > > > certain vedic karmaas of a normal human life; but once a person > goes > > > beyond the limitations of mundane existence and treads the > spiritual > > > path, there should be no distinction based on caste. > > > > > > Brahmana saapa exists....and it is supported in classics like > Brihat > > > Parasara Hora Shaastra and various Naadi granthaas. If you do not > > > believe in all this, you are free to start your own forum on SO- > > > CALLED RADICAL ASTROLOGY. If a patient goes to a doctor with an > > > ailment, the treatment has to be given whether it is to the > taste of > > > the patient or not......You cannot call a doctor as "POSITIVE > MEDICAL > > > PRACTITIONER" if he just ignores the ailment and says "It does > not > > > exist at all!" Your claiming to be a positive astrologer by > assertin > > > g"There is not Brahmana saapaa at all" without analyzing the > native's > > > horoscope is not positive astrology but idiocy at its heights. > > > Moreoever, the honourable member of this forum wanted advice on > > > Bramana saapa which he obviously believes in.....Learned Guruji > > > answered it to calm down the native. You must understand that > Guruji > > > did not ask the hairpin for himself...he has no monetary > interest in > > > this issue at all! He has also suggested an alternative of > > > sponsoring the vedic studies of a student to get rid of the > curse. > > > Obviously it is a measure of charity! You can have alternate > views > > > on issues; but you cannot brush away all previous authorities and > > > usurp the role of propogator of "Positive astrology". > > > > > > In one of your recent posts, you had wanted to quit the forum. > > > Kindly do so and do a service to this forum instead of spreading > hate > > > in this forum of vedic knowledge. > > > > > > Otherwise, many members will be forced to demand your ban from > this > > > group and throw you way with ignomity. > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > "aghorabhairav" aghorabhairav@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > IN DEFENCE OF POSITIVE ASTROLOGY > > > > > > > > Dear Member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also can pity your ignorance! > > > > > > > > First point, How this person can be responsible for some > imagined > > > karma > > > > done in some imagined precious birth? when is first Karma > > > committed? In > > > > which Birth? > > > > > > > > If it is not caused by any explicit nature, then what is the > point > > > in > > > > making him suffer through guilt complex and some unknown > unrelated > > > > person getting substantial benefit of Gold extracted from such > > > > gullibles? > > > > > > > > May I ask You, from which Shastra and out of which experience > have > > > you > > > > suggested such a make belief remedy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And about harming others, My opinion is one should not harm > EVEN any > > > > living being, they need not be especially "Brahmin" variety > [] . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > > > > > Ø The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical example of how > > > > >even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This statement implies that You are having an opinion that > Brahmin > > > means > > > > by birth and thus implying the innate superior casteism in you > is > > > quite > > > > obvious, so the bigotry IS IMPLIED. Sage Vishwamitra was a > victim of > > > > Brahminical hypocrisy. His story shows that, even kings were > highly > > > > manipulated by the brahminical castes at those times, which > even > > > > continues now, unfortunately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > > > > > >What is the > > > > >point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not brand everyone as a bigoted Brahmin priest, but I did > > > brand a > > > > bigoted Brahmin as a `Bigoted Brahmin', Why are you getting > > > > worried? Unless you are in to supporting them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > > > > > ? Faith is > > > > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut > brains > > > > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified > these > > > > rituals and practices in the past.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying anything against the Mahathmas or Sages who > coded > > > these > > > > rituals for the benefit of Universe and the whole humanity. I > am > > > just > > > > saying that there are some intelligent sections of the > community who > > > > monopolized the whole issue and out of their selfish interests, > > > these > > > > sections (some) have misused to scare the general public and > make > > > them > > > > pay up through their nose. Do you give guarantee that they are > not > > > being > > > > misused? To scare the public and extract money and cheat the > public? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here you say: > > > > > > > > Our motive should be to help him to come to > > > > positive terms with his life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how can you? You Yourself are not Positive? And how can a > > > Expensive > > > > Golden Hairpin Solve all the Problems? I will guarantee you > that, > > > > nothing is going to happen, whether he gifts the Golden > Hairpin to a > > > > Brahmin or not. Please Stop this Natak (drama) and you are > trying to > > > > explain all other unrelated stuff to support your mistake. You > are > > > not > > > > really Enlightened Astrologer? Are You? Or just a Brahmin Caste > > > Pandith? > > > > > > > > Who think that astrology is their birth right or some thing > etc.???? > > > > > > > > A Positive thinking, strength and a fearlessness to > > > face any > > > > challenge of life is what is needed. An inner transformation > of the > > > > innate nature, to conquer and master one's own way of life is > needed > > > > and an astrologer's job is to strengthen the positive traits > of his > > > > client but not to scare him with negativity and take advantage > of > > > his > > > > fears. I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but there > is a > > > > school of thinking of Modern Astrologers, who advocate a > Positive > > > > Astrology and Therapeutic Counselling compared to the majority > of > > > > ancient astrologers and the so called pundits who write all > > > (mostly) the > > > > negative predictions of the life, making the client's life more > > > > miserable but in the end the Brahmin and the astrologer > benefiting > > > from > > > > the Dakshinas. This is one of the major reasons, why astrology > got > > > the > > > > bad name. There needs be more understanding of principles of > > > astrology > > > > and the application of sutras to modern life in more broader > secular > > > > terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I am putting these as an alternative and radical modern > thinking > > > for > > > > the future astrologers to keep in Mind and not to follow > everything > > > > blindly or have a superior caste ego. An astrologer should be > Ego- > > > Less > > > > and Rebellious first. And not expect too much or have a > superiority > > > > complex. He has to experiment a lot and come to conclusions in > a > > > > scientific and viable way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I repeat: > > > > > > > > Don't worry, there are no such things as Bigoted Brahmana > Shapa etc. > > > > They are all Made out things And Additions later on, to make > money > > > and > > > > get Dakshinas by Unproductive Castes/Classes of Society in the > name > > > of > > > > Astrology. > > > > > > > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, > > > Meditations, > > > > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, Equality > and > > > > Prayerfulness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And proceed happily with your life in a Positive Manner, > Fearlessly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes to All. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namasthay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: There are no assumptions of superiority, BUT only friendly > > > > discussions on principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Member: > > > > > > > > > > I can only pity your ignorance! Brahmana curse does not > necessariy > > > > > arise out of "explicit curse" of a Brahmin. It is caused by > any of > > > > > the following reasons: > > > > > > > > > > 1) Willful insult to a pious brahmin (here brahmin does not > > > > > necessarily mean the "narrow definition" by birth....any > pious > > > person > > > > > with satwik qualities and engaged in spiritual pursuits and > Aatma > > > > > bhaava is a Brahmin; one who upholds truthfulness is a > > > > > brahmin.....The story of SAge Viswamitra is a typical > example of > > > how > > > > > even a non-brahmin can attain brahminhood!). > > > > > > > > > > 2) Imputing motives to the well-meaning shastraic > suggestions of a > > > > > learned person. > > > > > > > > > > 3) Disrespect to scriptures and vedas (rational analysis of > > > > > scriptures is not a sin; but opiniated outbursts against > shastras > > > is > > > > > a clear disrespect to shastras!). > > > > > > > > > > 4) Knowingly or unknowingly harming a true brahmin will lead > to > > > > > brahminical curse. A true Brahmin may not even curse > others...but, > > > > > the agony of the distressed soul will take the form of a > > > curse....at > > > > > least if the pious person had cursed, the results would have > been > > > > > limited to the terms of the curse...but when a pious person > just > > > > > feels the pain of an act and keeps quiet, the wrath of the > deities > > > > > will definitely befall on the doer of that injustice as a > powerful > > > > > curse that may continue for many births. Any person who > curses > > > > > another invokes severe karma. The karmic wheel is true and > > > > > unfailing! Even great sages of yore have lost their hard- > earned > > > > > tapasya powers by cursing others.....But, curses do have > their > > > > > effects and that cannot be denied! If one stabs you with a > knife > > > you > > > > > will die; that the other person invokes severe karma does not > > > prevent > > > > > you from getting hurt. In the same way, curses do have their > > > effect > > > > > if the curser is even marginally more powerful than you in > terms > > > of > > > > > occult powers or mantra siddhi. > > > > > > > > > > This is a knowledge forum....and arguments should be based on > > > > > shastraic injunctions and not on mere surmises or hate on > certain > > > > > castes/creeds! There are so many things that are not found > in any > > > of > > > > > the books and come by tradition over countless years. You > cannot > > > > > brush everything as being "invented" for money. Wrath is > > > unbecoming > > > > > of a scholar. There are some valid philosophical points in > your > > > post > > > > > but your hate for certain sect is so palpable that it is the > only > > > > > thing that will be obvious to the members reading your > > > post.....the > > > > > person who had raised query wants a solution and he is > entering > > > into > > > > > a mundane life.....Our motive should be to help him to come > to > > > > > positive terms with his life. Can the member who raised the > query > > > > > afford to get married without a priest? Won't he feel the > pressure > > > > > of his family or for that matter, the bride's family? What > is the > > > > > point in branding everyone as a bigotted brahmin priest? > Faith is > > > > > most essential in matters of spirituality because our peanut > > > brains > > > > > are non-existent when compared to the mahaatmaas who codified > > > these > > > > > rituals and practices in the past....Let us not assume our > own > > > > > superiority in these matters. This is my humble request. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > > > "aghorabhairav" aghorabhairav@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPREADING TOO MUCH SUPERSTITIONS IS TO BE CONDEMNED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can You Tell me who is a real Vedic Brahmana? IS there > anybody? > > > > > > Really?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think Bigoted 'officiating priests' are real Vedic > > > > > Brahmanas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also what kind of Karma will that Brahmana Who cursed will > > > undergo? > > > > > What > > > > > > kind of Remedy/Shanthi that Cursing real Vedic Brahmana DO? > > > > > > > > > > > > If he is really a real Vedic 'Brahmana' (who > cannot/incapable of > > > > > control > > > > > > of any of his Indriyas), can he not control his/her anger/ > > > emotions? > > > > > > > > > > > > I say the better remedy is to curse back that real fake > Vedic > > > > > Brahmana > > > > > > (who ever is supposed to have cursed you), and take out > that > > > fear > > > > > from > > > > > > your Mind and Subconscious Conditioning by Superstitious > > > Thinking > > > > > (used > > > > > > by negative astrology), and proceed happily with your life > in a > > > > > Positive > > > > > > Manner, Fearlessly. Don't worry, there are no such things > as > > > Bigoted > > > > > > Brahmana Shapa etc. They are all Made out things And > Additions > > > > > later on, > > > > > > to make money and get Dakshinas by Unproductive > Castes/Classes > > > of > > > > > > Society in the name of Astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > The best higher remedies are Self Analysis, Universalness, > > > > > Meditations, > > > > > > Egolessness, Compassion, Peace, Silence, GupthaDana, > Equality > > > and > > > > > > Prayerfulness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes to All. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May all of us Abide in the ESSENTIAL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namasthay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Ananda Sunkanpally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sagarvpatil: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may gift a golden hair-pin to your prospective bride > on > > > the > > > > > day > > > > > > > of the betrothal (the day before the marriage). The bride > > > should > > > > > > > wear it throughout the marriage ceremony. After the > > > saptapathi and > > > > > > > mangala sutra dhaaranam are over, you must gift this > hair-pin > > > to a > > > > > > > vedic brahmin praying that all brahmana curses should be > > > > > neutralized > > > > > > > by this gift to a vedic brahmin. You can offer the hair- > pin as > > > > > gift > > > > > > > to the officiating priest of the marriage. Do this with > full > > > faith > > > > > > > and with the attitude that you are offering this gift to > the > > > Veda > > > > > > > purushaa Himself without having any doubts as to whether > the > > > > > > > recipient of the gift is qualified for that exalted > status! > > > Our > > > > > > > attitude can cover up for the possible deficiency of the > > > > > recipient.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, you can sponsor a samaaradhana for one day in > a > > > veda > > > > > > > patasaala and honour the vedic teachers and students if > you > > > can > > > > > make > > > > > > > a visit to a patasala like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Curses are overcome by donations and charities rather > than by > > > > > wearing > > > > > > > the concerned gemstones ourselves! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > > > > > "sagarvpatil" sagarvpatil@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujis, > > > > > > > > I have a brahman shapa caused by saturn form 11th > > > house(Gemini) > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Rahu for the 4th house(Scorpio). Jupiter is in 8th > house in > > > > > Meena > > > > > > > > Rashi. I would like to know what will be the effects > > > because of > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > shapa and remidial measures I should follow. I am > wearing an > > > > > > > pushpraj > > > > > > > > stone, is it going to help me? > > > > > > > > Since Sani owns 6th & 7th house & Rahu owns 7th house, > will > > > this > > > > > > > > shapa affect my marrige. I am going to get married in > Dec > > > 06, > > > > > so I > > > > > > > > would like to know what care I should take. > > > > > > > > My Birth details are as follows: > > > > > > > > B.09-07-1975 > > > > > > > > B.Time: 09:05am > > > > > > > > B. Place: Sanvordem ( Goa -India) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards > > > > > > > > Sagar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Ananda Exactly. There can be so many differnet kind of remedies. And this is where/how the debate started, with a remedy of donating a golden hairpin. There was no cause to find fault with that. You talk abut lal-kitab remedies...there is also a remedy on golden hairpin in lal-kitab. Although it might not ask to donate it, it does mention to wear a golden hair pin. I have been told and done that remedy myself. Maybe all this meaningless debate should end here as you acknowledge that there can be so many differnt kinds of remedies. Please learn to accept and respect remedies prescribed by different kinds of astrology and not talk against it. Maiden Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Dear Friend! I think you missed the point again and people like you will never change. I had to put my observations because when it turned to the topic of who is a real brahmana? and now you know it better. And it was not meaningless debate, but highly relevent and a burning problem faced by All hindus. Dr.B.R.Ambedker did not start the debate just for himself, but for millions of downtrodden and exploited masses in the name of casteism and ultimately he has to convert to Buddhism. The main reason and culprits for conversions are casteism and brahminism. Do you deny that? Is it not your responsilbility to start and initiate a self search and self examination as to why it is happening? Who's responsibility is more? Who has to Sacrifice to protect Hindu religion? How the Hindus will be United if they are divided so much on caste basis? Still in these times also? Please think over? And don't come up with each time with some thing new, But please read and re-read my earlier messages carefully until the real wisdom dawns on you. I know very well, the mentalities and psychologies of all these so-called pundits and I know very well how to deal with these people. And how the turnaround and twist the definition of a Brahmin to fool the gullibles like you. Best Wishes Ananda vedic astrology, Ice Maiden <icymaiden2000 wrote: > > Ananda > > Exactly. There can be so many differnet kind of remedies. And this is where/how the debate started, with a remedy of donating a golden hairpin. There was no cause to find fault with that. You talk abut lal-kitab remedies...there is also a remedy on golden hairpin in lal-kitab. Although it might not ask to donate it, it does mention to wear a golden hair pin. I have been told and done that remedy myself. > > Maybe all this meaningless debate should end here as you acknowledge that there can be so many differnt kinds of remedies. Please learn to accept and respect remedies prescribed by different kinds of astrology and not talk against it. > > Maiden > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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