Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 What you describe is not rare. Many good astrologers do not spend too much time pondering over their charts. I sincerely believe (no evidence of scientific nature) that when on starts learning and doing astrology, something mystical happens. The jyotishi becomes less and less likely to experience the ill effects of the planets. Understanding the planetary 'system' and rules somehow becomes protective. I am not talking about fly-by-night operators who abuse and misuse the wonderful craft, of course. Why this happens, this protection? I do not know, but it is very similar to what doctors experience. Considering how much doctors are exposed to infections and deadly ones like tuberculosis, many of them develop an immunity against the diseases. Subclinical infections it is called, I think. It is like the mild exposure to the diseases works like a vaccine. Perhaps as we think about, dwell upon, meditate on the planets and the realm they live and breathe in, our inner mechanism changes and we enjoy protection, or heightened protection. Mind you, this is not total protection, but I consider the best remedial against evil influences of planets (within reason!) to be learning and practicing astrology. No one has to believe in what I say, of course! Buying a gemstone and chanting a mantra is easier -- getting a pooja done remotely is even more easier! To each his own!! RR , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear RR, > > I hope u have seen me post to people interested in readingc charts book ref etc this line read charts over 50 or retired ones as many events mile stones would have been passed to verify corrabrate and learn and AVOID personlas as it sia roadblock to progress with bieased or convenient overlookign of soem aspects or wishful things on some. > > In fact many do say I must know more abt me, till today I know v little of me from my horoscope wise I only look at sensitive times accidents wise when transits for them occir say Mars, rahu connected with simha, Meena, Mesha, Makara rest times dont bother how good or bad the transits can be any relief > > I have many accidents in life.FELL FROM 2ND FLOOR THEN BETWEEN 1ST AND 2ND HEIGHT, FELL from runnign busses plenty. > that is one aspect that impressed me that this subject works from childhood onr famil astrologer who wrote on me said I will have an accident every and will recover from the worst, the fall from 2nd floor i did not break a bone or scratch. the next one fractured both my ankles.... and so on > > > so > Prashant > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: Actually if I recall correctly, in one of the recent issues of > Astrological Magazine I read something about that and very similar. I > should have indexed it. I also review articles from old issues, the > few that I could bring with me so it could be one of those that had > the article. > > If I run into it again, I will post it. > > I personally do not think we should be partial to any planet, be it > guru or shani. Unless we astrologers become neutral students and > observers, we would tend to get biased towards one or the other > planet and that bias will surely trip us during our readings. > > I have observed that in individuals in the past. Another bias is > about one's own chart. People who spend too much time with their own > chart tend to overemphasize the yogas and rules that apply to their > charts, since they overanalyze and spend so much time with those. > > Thanks > > RR > > , Tatvamasi <om_tatsat_om@> > wrote: > > > > Dear RR ji, > > Your's Truely was responsible for posting a series of > articles/postings named " Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva, Bhava Vriddhi Karau > Sani" and "Is Guru Benign?" etc. > > I had received bricks and mortars from people in another group. > > I was reminded of that when I read thie heading of the subject in > question. > > > > Coming to your question of naming the source of adage " Bhava > Nasha Karau Jeeva....etc". > > I was taught by my late Grand father, a profusely honoured > Astrologer . He must have read it in some manuscrips which are still > there in our viallge in India. > > Or some books of yore. > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > For the record, Tatvamasi ji -- I have never seen you > bash any guru, > > terrestrial or extraterrestrial (the big guy in the sky -- > > Brihaspati)! > > > > Or anything that it truly represents! One thing that some > individuals > > get confused about is when they attribute arrogance and hypocricy > > with Guru/Jupiter/Brihaspati! These are the very thing that > represent > > the negative jupiter energy/attributes! Negative means Jupiter is > > not 'there' or if it is, it is too distracted. > > > > Even a lion can get distracted if a bunch of hyenas attack it at > the > > same time. I apologize for using a sub-primate analogy! I hope the > > meaning is not lost on those who are on the good side of > Brihaspati! > > May HIS light shine on all of us! Along with that of Sun!! > > > > RR > > > > , Tatvamasi <om_tatsat_om@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I am amused to read about "Guru Bashing" It is as if it was done > > with malice in heart. I am sorry stand taken by some learned > members > > in this regard. All planets do good and bad. It is just that Guru > is > > a large planet, his bad is more in quantity and quality than other > > planets. > > > I am going to receive velvet gloved fists for this but can't help > > it. > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > sreeram srinivas <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > though I have been a member in , but want > > of time & energy > > > did not go through many mails until recently...... > > > Good to know that Jupiter bashing has been creative_past_time > > earlier in the > > > group !! Well, be assured, I also like brevity > > > of expression & thoughts, want to see any thread to reach a > > conclusion in 3 > > > or 4 maximum exchanges !! else, it is a endless > > > debate or debate with a wrong person or wrong subject...etc... > > > > > > thanks for educating me on previously concluded subjects or > issues. > > > > > > with regards, > > > sreeram srinivas > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Stretching the analogy a bit further, those who profess Bhakti/religion in the true sense as a fulltime vocation then should be, perhaps, able to less and less experience the ill effects of life. Understanding life better! Understanding planets better and contemplate on them helps a Jyotishi in being better prepared too as understanding life allows a person to be better prepared to evaluate the "gains/losses" in life. rishi --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: > What you describe is not rare. Many good astrologers > do not spend too > much time pondering over their charts. > > I sincerely believe (no evidence of scientific > nature) that when on > starts learning and doing astrology, something > mystical happens. The > jyotishi becomes less and less likely to experience > the ill effects > of the planets. Understanding the planetary 'system' > and rules > somehow becomes protective. I am not talking about > fly-by-night > operators who abuse and misuse the wonderful craft, > of course. > > Why this happens, this protection? I do not know, > but it is very > similar to what doctors experience. Considering how > much doctors are > exposed to infections and deadly ones like > tuberculosis, many of them > develop an immunity against the diseases. > Subclinical infections it > is called, I think. It is like the mild exposure to > the diseases > works like a vaccine. > > Perhaps as we think about, dwell upon, meditate on > the planets and > the realm they live and breathe in, our inner > mechanism changes and > we enjoy protection, or heightened protection. > > Mind you, this is not total protection, but I > consider the best > remedial against evil influences of planets (within > reason!) to be > learning and practicing astrology. > > No one has to believe in what I say, of course! > Buying a gemstone and > chanting a mantra is easier -- getting a pooja done > remotely is even > more easier! > > To each his own!! > > RR > > > , Prashant > Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar wrote: > > > > Dear RR, > > > > I hope u have seen me post to people interested in > readingc charts > book ref etc this line read charts over 50 or > retired ones as many > events mile stones would have been passed to verify > corrabrate and > learn and AVOID personlas as it sia roadblock to > progress with > bieased or convenient overlookign of soem aspects or > wishful things > on some. > > > > In fact many do say I must know more abt me, till > today I know v > little of me from my horoscope wise I only look at > sensitive times > accidents wise when transits for them occir say > Mars, rahu connected > with simha, Meena, Mesha, Makara rest times dont > bother how good or > bad the transits can be any relief > > > > I have many accidents in life.FELL FROM 2ND FLOOR > THEN BETWEEN 1ST > AND 2ND HEIGHT, FELL from runnign busses plenty. > > that is one aspect that impressed me that this > subject works from > childhood onr famil astrologer who wrote on me said > I will have an > accident every and will recover from the worst, the > fall from 2nd > floor i did not break a bone or scratch. the next > one fractured both > my ankles.... and so on > > > > > > so > > Prashant > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani > wrote: Actually if > I recall > correctly, in one of the recent issues of > > Astrological Magazine I read something about that > and very > similar. I > > should have indexed it. I also review articles > from old issues, > the > > few that I could bring with me so it could be one > of those that > had > > the article. > > > > If I run into it again, I will post it. > > > > I personally do not think we should be partial to > any planet, be > it > > guru or shani. Unless we astrologers become > neutral students and > > observers, we would tend to get biased towards > one or the other > > planet and that bias will surely trip us during > our readings. > > > > I have observed that in individuals in the past. > Another bias is > > about one's own chart. People who spend too much > time with their > own > > chart tend to overemphasize the yogas and rules > that apply to > their > > charts, since they overanalyze and spend so much > time with those. > > > > Thanks > > > > RR > > > > , > Tatvamasi <om_tatsat_om@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > Your's Truely was responsible for posting a > series of > > articles/postings named " Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva, > Bhava Vriddhi > Karau > > Sani" and "Is Guru Benign?" etc. > > > I had received bricks and mortars from people > in another > group. > > > I was reminded of that when I read thie > heading of the subject > in > > question. > > > > > > Coming to your question of naming the source > of adage " Bhava > > Nasha Karau Jeeva....etc". > > > I was taught by my late Grand father, a > profusely honoured > > Astrologer . He must have read it in some > manuscrips which are > still > > there in our viallge in India. > > > Or some books of yore. > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > For the record, Tatvamasi ji -- I > have never seen you > > bash any guru, > > > terrestrial or extraterrestrial (the big guy in > the sky -- > > > Brihaspati)! > > > > > > Or anything that it truly represents! One thing > that some > > individuals > > > get confused about is when they attribute > arrogance and > hypocricy > > > with Guru/Jupiter/Brihaspati! These are the > very thing that > > represent > > > the negative jupiter energy/attributes! > Negative means Jupiter > is > > > not 'there' or if it is, it is too distracted. > > > > > > Even a lion can get distracted if a bunch of > hyenas attack it at > > the > > > same time. I apologize for using a sub-primate > analogy! I hope > the > > > meaning is not lost on those who are on the > good side of > === message truncated === Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail (http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Rishi, The keyword that carries the answer was in your posting which also contained the question: "Profess" I rest my case! RR , rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Stretching the analogy a bit further, those who > profess Bhakti/religion in the true sense as a > fulltime vocation then should be, perhaps, able to > less and less experience the ill effects of life. > Understanding life better! > Understanding planets better and contemplate on them > helps a Jyotishi in being better prepared too as > understanding life allows a person to be better > prepared to evaluate the "gains/losses" in life. > rishi > > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > What you describe is not rare. Many good astrologers > > do not spend too > > much time pondering over their charts. > > > > I sincerely believe (no evidence of scientific > > nature) that when on > > starts learning and doing astrology, something > > mystical happens. The > > jyotishi becomes less and less likely to experience > > the ill effects > > of the planets. Understanding the planetary 'system' > > and rules > > somehow becomes protective. I am not talking about > > fly-by-night > > operators who abuse and misuse the wonderful craft, > > of course. > > > > Why this happens, this protection? I do not know, > > but it is very > > similar to what doctors experience. Considering how > > much doctors are > > exposed to infections and deadly ones like > > tuberculosis, many of them > > develop an immunity against the diseases. > > Subclinical infections it > > is called, I think. It is like the mild exposure to > > the diseases > > works like a vaccine. > > > > Perhaps as we think about, dwell upon, meditate on > > the planets and > > the realm they live and breathe in, our inner > > mechanism changes and > > we enjoy protection, or heightened protection. > > > > Mind you, this is not total protection, but I > > consider the best > > remedial against evil influences of planets (within > > reason!) to be > > learning and practicing astrology. > > > > No one has to believe in what I say, of course! > > Buying a gemstone and > > chanting a mantra is easier -- getting a pooja done > > remotely is even > > more easier! > > > > To each his own!! > > > > RR > > > > > > , Prashant > > Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RR, > > > > > > I hope u have seen me post to people interested in > > readingc charts > > book ref etc this line read charts over 50 or > > retired ones as many > > events mile stones would have been passed to verify > > corrabrate and > > learn and AVOID personlas as it sia roadblock to > > progress with > > bieased or convenient overlookign of soem aspects or > > wishful things > > on some. > > > > > > In fact many do say I must know more abt me, till > > today I know v > > little of me from my horoscope wise I only look at > > sensitive times > > accidents wise when transits for them occir say > > Mars, rahu connected > > with simha, Meena, Mesha, Makara rest times dont > > bother how good or > > bad the transits can be any relief > > > > > > I have many accidents in life.FELL FROM 2ND FLOOR > > THEN BETWEEN 1ST > > AND 2ND HEIGHT, FELL from runnign busses plenty. > > > that is one aspect that impressed me that this > > subject works from > > childhood onr famil astrologer who wrote on me said > > I will have an > > accident every and will recover from the worst, the > > fall from 2nd > > floor i did not break a bone or scratch. the next > > one fractured both > > my ankles.... and so on > > > > > > > > > so > > > Prashant > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> > > wrote: Actually if > > I recall > > correctly, in one of the recent issues of > > > Astrological Magazine I read something about that > > and very > > similar. I > > > should have indexed it. I also review articles > > from old issues, > > the > > > few that I could bring with me so it could be one > > of those that > > had > > > the article. > > > > > > If I run into it again, I will post it. > > > > > > I personally do not think we should be partial to > > any planet, be > > it > > > guru or shani. Unless we astrologers become > > neutral students and > > > observers, we would tend to get biased towards > > one or the other > > > planet and that bias will surely trip us during > > our readings. > > > > > > I have observed that in individuals in the past. > > Another bias is > > > about one's own chart. People who spend too much > > time with their > > own > > > chart tend to overemphasize the yogas and rules > > that apply to > > their > > > charts, since they overanalyze and spend so much > > time with those. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , > > Tatvamasi <om_tatsat_om@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > Your's Truely was responsible for posting a > > series of > > > articles/postings named " Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva, > > Bhava Vriddhi > > Karau > > > Sani" and "Is Guru Benign?" etc. > > > > I had received bricks and mortars from people > > in another > > group. > > > > I was reminded of that when I read thie > > heading of the subject > > in > > > question. > > > > > > > > Coming to your question of naming the source > > of adage " Bhava > > > Nasha Karau Jeeva....etc". > > > > I was taught by my late Grand father, a > > profusely honoured > > > Astrologer . He must have read it in some > > manuscrips which are > > still > > > there in our viallge in India. > > > > Or some books of yore. > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > For the record, Tatvamasi ji -- I > > have never seen you > > > bash any guru, > > > > terrestrial or extraterrestrial (the big guy in > > the sky -- > > > > Brihaspati)! > > > > > > > > Or anything that it truly represents! One thing > > that some > > > individuals > > > > get confused about is when they attribute > > arrogance and > > hypocricy > > > > with Guru/Jupiter/Brihaspati! These are the > > very thing that > > > represent > > > > the negative jupiter energy/attributes! > > Negative means Jupiter > > is > > > > not 'there' or if it is, it is too distracted. > > > > > > > > Even a lion can get distracted if a bunch of > > hyenas attack it at > > > the > > > > same time. I apologize for using a sub-primate > > analogy! I hope > > the > > > > meaning is not lost on those who are on the > > good side of > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail > (http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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