Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Dear friends, I thought this is an interesting case and would like to share with you: Details: June 4, 1982 Time: 10:08:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 80 E 37' 00", 16 N 31' 00" Vijayavada, India She born in India and later came to France at the age of 7 years. She got marrried in India on 7th June 2006 in India with an india boy. Later both couple came to France. Due to administartion, they need to get married again in France. So, they are doing all official work to get married again. How to see this type of marriage to same person two times in a horoscope? Any information is highly appreciated. Best regards Bhanu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Dear Bhanu, Maybe if You would check the Dasha running at both marriage times (Uptil the third tier ie.Pratyantar),you may get the clues. Or whether 2nd, 7th and 11th any of these houses were activated simultaneously at the time of both marriages. But even if we come to know the formula at least I would not be able to suggest to any native if I see the same combination in his chart, that he would be married twice to the same person. (Here people have got fed of their marriages and want to get rid of their spouses somehow, and if I suggest otherwise , I would have it straight from them - Humour). But in the Hindus we do have second marriages at 60, and also sometimes prescribed by Lal-kitab or pundits. But not sure if anyone has done research on this. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya, "Pinnamaneni Family Paris" <bhanuparis wrote: > > Dear friends, > > I thought this is an interesting case and would like to share with you: > > Details: > June 4, 1982 > Time: 10:08:00 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 80 E 37' 00", 16 N 31' 00" > Vijayavada, India > > She born in India and later came to France at the age of 7 years. > > She got marrried in India on 7th June 2006 in India with an india boy. > Later both couple came to France. Due to administartion, they need to > get married again in France. > > So, they are doing all official work to get married again. > > How to see this type of marriage to same person two times in a horoscope? > > Any information is highly appreciated. > > Best regards > Bhanu > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Dear Bhanu, One is Marriage (7th house under focus), and the second marriage is a legal formality based on desh kaal paatra principle. So that is 6th house matters as its to do with legal matters. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya, "Pinnamaneni Family Paris" <bhanuparis wrote: > > Dear friends, > > I thought this is an interesting case and would like to share with you: > > Details: > June 4, 1982 > Time: 10:08:00 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 80 E 37' 00", 16 N 31' 00" > Vijayavada, India > > She born in India and later came to France at the age of 7 years. > > She got marrried in India on 7th June 2006 in India with an india boy. > Later both couple came to France. Due to administartion, they need to > get married again in France. > > So, they are doing all official work to get married again. > > How to see this type of marriage to same person two times in a horoscope? > > Any information is highly appreciated. > > Best regards > Bhanu > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 ?? ashsam73 <ashsam73 > wrote: Dear Bhanu, One is Marriage (7th house under focus), and the second marriage is a legal formality based on desh kaal paatra principle. So that is 6th house matters as its to do with legal matters. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya, "Pinnamaneni Family Paris" <bhanuparis wrote: > > Dear friends, > > I thought this is an interesting case and would like to share with you: > > Details: > June 4, 1982 > Time: 10:08:00 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 80 E 37' 00", 16 N 31' 00" > Vijayavada, India > > She born in India and later came to France at the age of 7 years. > > She got marrried in India on 7th June 2006 in India with an india boy. > Later both couple came to France. Due to administartion, they need to > get married again in France. > > So, they are doing all official work to get married again. > > How to see this type of marriage to same person two times in a horoscope? > > Any information is highly appreciated. > > Best regards > Bhanu > All new Mail Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Marriage 1 -> Real marriage -> 7th house Marriage 2 -> To make the Marriage Legal Matter in a foreign country (formality) -> 6th house. Is it clear enough jyotish-vidya, "A.R." <bonamente108 wrote: > > ?? > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Bhanu, > One is Marriage (7th house under focus), and the second marriage is > a legal formality based on desh kaal paatra principle. So that is > 6th house matters as its to do with legal matters. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > jyotish-vidya, "Pinnamaneni Family Paris" > <bhanuparis@> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > I thought this is an interesting case and would like to share with > you: > > > > Details: > > June 4, 1982 > > Time: 10:08:00 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 80 E 37' 00", 16 N 31' 00" > > Vijayavada, India > > > > She born in India and later came to France at the age of 7 years. > > > > She got marrried in India on 7th June 2006 in India with an india > boy. > > Later both couple came to France. Due to administartion, they need > to > > get married again in France. > > > > So, they are doing all official work to get married again. > > > > How to see this type of marriage to same person two times in a > horoscope? > > > > Any information is highly appreciated. > > > > Best regards > > Bhanu > > > > > > > > > > All new Mail > > Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 Dear Ash, Although I certainly could be in error, I would think 12th house (6th from 7th) to be the most likely indicator here. 12th shows foreign lands and certainly we can judge events in foreign lands from this house. The native is undergoing pratyantar of Rahu, situated in 12th, with dispositor Mercury in sign of Venus (in 11th). Signing of documents/legal contracts etc. are under the governance of Mercury. What do you think? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "ashsam73" <ashsam73 > <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:51 AM Re: marriage - Interesting case Marriage 1 -> Real marriage -> 7th house Marriage 2 -> To make the Marriage Legal Matter in a foreign country (formality) -> 6th house. Is it clear enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 Dear Ash, If I might seek a clarification here in regards to 6th house. Many astrologers (myself included) have assigned litigation/legal matters to 6th based primarily, I'm sure, on the connection with enemies (dispute with enemies), enemies satisfaction, struggles, obstacles and so forth. However, to the best of my understanding, the sages do not ascribe legal matters per se to this house...on the contrary law courts, litigation (legal matters) seems to be assigned to 7th. (I'm certainly open to correction here) I said earlier: //Although I certainly could be in error, I would think 12th house (6th from 7th) to be the most likely indicator here.// Apart from 12th showing conditions in foreign land, as 6th from 7th it shows obstacles (to overcome) in regards to marriage. We see that, for this couple, they face the obstacle of having to go through another marriage ceremony to legalise their marriage in a foreign land. I look forward to your comments on this, Ash :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:08 AM Re: Re: marriage - Interesting case Dear Ash, Although I certainly could be in error, I would think 12th house (6th from 7th) to be the most likely indicator here. 12th shows foreign lands and certainly we can judge events in foreign lands from this house. The native is undergoing pratyantar of Rahu, situated in 12th, with dispositor Mercury in sign of Venus (in 11th). Signing of documents/legal contracts etc. are under the governance of Mercury. What do you think? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "ashsam73" <ashsam73 > <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:51 AM Re: marriage - Interesting case Marriage 1 -> Real marriage -> 7th house Marriage 2 -> To make the Marriage Legal Matter in a foreign country (formality) -> 6th house. Is it clear enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 Dear Wendy, At the outset, I would like to say, that my intention is not to correct anyone nor influence anyone to change their opinion, which might have been based on years of practice and research. Whatever little I have learnt I have learnt from KAS and from Krushanji and as per his teachings. My reference is from the link below which is from Donna's site and is one of the lessons of KAS. Please refer to 6th house and "Court Matters" are given as one of the things that 6th house shows. http://krushna.sageasita.com/pdf/lesson04.pdf 7th house is 7th from 1st so it shows opposition or partner. So if there is some problems in partnership and that might result in a court case then 7th will have some relation with 6th house or lord. >From what I understood, is that the couple is married so 7th house has triggered already, means they are already partners. Now their attempt is to finish a legal procedure as per desh kaal paatra principle so that the marrriage is considered a marraige in France which would include a court matter so 6th house is the house under focus. Thats All, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > If I might seek a clarification here in regards to 6th house. Many > astrologers (myself included) have assigned litigation/legal matters to 6th > based primarily, I'm sure, on the connection with enemies (dispute with > enemies), enemies satisfaction, struggles, obstacles and so forth. However, > to the best of my understanding, the sages do not ascribe legal matters per > se to this house...on the contrary law courts, litigation (legal matters) > seems to be assigned to 7th. > > (I'm certainly open to correction here) > > I said earlier: > //Although I certainly could be in error, I would think 12th house (6th from > 7th) to be the most likely indicator here.// > > Apart from 12th showing conditions in foreign land, as 6th from 7th it shows > obstacles (to overcome) in regards to marriage. We see that, for this > couple, they face the obstacle of having to go through another marriage > ceremony to legalise their marriage in a foreign land. > > I look forward to your comments on this, Ash :-) > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish > <jyotish-vidya> > Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:08 AM > Re: Re: marriage - Interesting case > > > Dear Ash, > > Although I certainly could be in error, I would think 12th house (6th from > 7th) to be the most likely indicator here. 12th shows foreign lands and > certainly we can judge events in foreign lands from this house. The native > is undergoing pratyantar of Rahu, situated in 12th, with dispositor Mercury > in sign of Venus (in 11th). Signing of documents/legal contracts etc. are > under the governance of Mercury. > > What do you think? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > "ashsam73" <ashsam73 > <jyotish-vidya> > Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:51 AM > Re: marriage - Interesting case > > > Marriage 1 -> Real marriage -> 7th house > Marriage 2 -> To make the Marriage Legal Matter in a foreign country > (formality) -> 6th house. > > Is it clear enough > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 Dear Ash, //At the outset, I would like to say, that my intention is not to correct anyone nor influence anyone to change their opinion, which might have been based on years of practice and research.// I never though for a moment that this was your intention...simply interested in your opinion, that's all :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "ashsam73" <ashsam73 > <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:10 PM Re: marriage - Interesting case Dear Wendy, Whatever little I have learnt I have learnt from KAS and from Krushanji and as per his teachings. My reference is from the link below which is from Donna's site and is one of the lessons of KAS. Please refer to 6th house and "Court Matters" are given as one of the things that 6th house shows. 7th house is 7th from 1st so it shows opposition or partner. So if there is some problems in partnership and that might result in a court case then 7th will have some relation with 6th house or lord. >From what I understood, is that the couple is married so 7th house has triggered already, means they are already partners. Now their attempt is to finish a legal procedure as per desh kaal paatra principle so that the marrriage is considered a marraige in France which would include a court matter so 6th house is the house under focus. Thats All, Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 Dear Mrs. Bhanu, Thanks for this chart. It is an interesting topic you put forward. To my understanding of your message, the crux of the issue is the indications in a chart. The basic promise. How to see a person who can marry a same person twice. The reasons could be of anything but not divorce is the main reason. Dasha and transits are secondary. First, the basic promise should be available in a chart and that promise is to be manifested when the dasha is favourable and the transit comes finally. So we have to search the promise in a chart what are they? I myself married the same woman twice. Here there is no court involved. No administrative reasons of any country. I married the woman of my choice according to the North Indian customs of Arya Samaj in Delhi where we had been working since her parents are not willing to give away the girl in marriage to me. Of course we had filed an affidavit in the court stating that we are above the age of consent and we can marry each other as per our choice. It was certified by the Judicial Magistrate and we married in a Temple in Delhi applying the vermillon on her fore head. This is simply because there should not be any leagl action from the parenets of my partner i.e. we can decide our course of action according the law of the land. After a week, at my home, my parents solmonised the marriage once again according to my South Indian customs of my family tying the knot on her neck. (Wearing the Mangala Sutra). I dont think here the legality is the main issue. The issue is how to see in a chrt or the basic promise that is available in a chart a person could marry twice the same person. That is what Mrs. Bhanu is asking for. I have a limited number of charts doing a research on this kind of charts. Unfortunately I have either the charts of a male partner or a female partner and not both the charts of the partners those who marry twice each other. There are certain clear trends emerging and could be applied in a replicable manner. I and my friend both are doing a research in this type of marriages. The parameters are to be applied in a large scale i.e. in sufficient number of charts. Some of the parameters we evolved are applicable in the instant chart which you provided in the Group. If this is the issue you are looking for I give the parameters which we are applying. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. ====================================================================== Dear friends, I thought this is an interesting case and would like to share with you: Details: June 4, 1982 Time: 10:08:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 80 E 37' 00", 16 N 31' 00" Vijayavada, India She born in India and later came to France at the age of 7 years. She got marrried in India on 7th June 2006 in India with an india boy. Later both couple came to France. Due to administartion, they need to get married again in France. So, they are doing all official work to get married again. How to see this type of marriage to same person two times in a horoscope? Any information is highly appreciated. Best regards Bhanu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 Dear Wendyji, Ashji, Bhaskarji and all, Thank you very much for taking time to explaining. I would like to give little more clarification: Unlike in many countries, in France, it is not related to court. Only the Chairman of the town ( a politicien) will celebrate the cermany and issue a marriage certificate. Even thouh this is can be used in legal purposes, I think this is more administrative cermany and administrative document. This can be used for legal purposes like any other documents, but is not a legal document. I just give this info for our friends information about french administrative also may be useful think in another way in Astrology? Best regards On 10/31/06, Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > //At the outset, I would like to say, that my intention is not to > correct anyone nor influence anyone to change their opinion, which > might have been based on years of practice and research.// > > I never though for a moment that this was your intention...simply > interested > in your opinion, that's all :-) > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/> > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > - > "ashsam73" <ashsam73 <ashsam73%40>> > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>> > Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:10 PM > Re: marriage - Interesting case > > Dear Wendy, > > Whatever little I have learnt I have learnt from KAS and from > Krushanji and as per his teachings. My reference is from the link > below which is from Donna's site and is one of the lessons of KAS. > Please refer to 6th house and "Court Matters" are given as one of > the things that 6th house shows. > > 7th house is 7th from 1st so it shows opposition or partner. So if > there is some problems in partnership and that might result in a > court case then 7th will have some relation with 6th house or lord. > > From what I understood, is that the couple is married so 7th house > has triggered already, means they are already partners. Now their > attempt is to finish a legal procedure as per desh kaal paatra > principle so that the marrriage is considered a marraige in France > which would include a court matter so 6th house is the house under > focus. > > Thats All, > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 Dear, I stayed away from further discussions for particular reasons, that my argument may not be accepted by others due to maybe unaccepting of norms of new research and findings in astrology. But whenever any marriage takes place with a document in picture, ie.court/registrar marriage or the likes where a document is drafted with Bride,Groom and witnesses as signatories,then the 3rd (Third) house automatically comes in play alongwith the other houses of marriage. Same in legal documented divorce you will notice the 3rd house too figuring with the other pointers of divorce. This document may not be legal in the real sense of the term as it is just a formality, but it becomes legal in the real sense when the marriage is on the rocks and the couple goes for divorce. And Vice-versa.Then only and then,does this document can be termed as related to legal in the actual meaning of term and court proceedings takes place. Otherwise it is just a normal document related to 3rd house. Also the winner in court in whose favour the case will turn up would be when in the winners case the 9th house and Lord starts becoming active by way of Dasha coming up or antar, or some planet in transit going in constellation of 9th lord. The above are my observations and my not be there in texts therefore cannot provide any references. Rest upto the learned members to make their own deductions. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya, "Pinnamaneni Family Paris" <bhanuparis wrote: > > Dear Wendyji, Ashji, Bhaskarji and all, > > Thank you very much for taking time to explaining. > > I would like to give little more clarification: > Unlike in many countries, in France, it is not related to court. Only the > Chairman of the town ( a politicien) will celebrate the cermany and issue a > marriage certificate. Even thouh this is can be used in legal purposes, I > think this is more administrative cermany and administrative document. This > can be used for legal purposes like any other documents, but is not a legal > document. > > I just give this info for our friends information about french > administrative also may be useful think in another way in Astrology? > > Best regards > > On 10/31/06, Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > //At the outset, I would like to say, that my intention is not to > > correct anyone nor influence anyone to change their opinion, which > > might have been based on years of practice and research.// > > > > I never though for a moment that this was your intention...simply > > interested > > in your opinion, that's all :-) > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/> > > jyotish-vidya > > ___ > > > > - > > "ashsam73" <ashsam73 <ashsam73%40>> > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% 40>> > > Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:10 PM > > Re: marriage - Interesting case > > > > Dear Wendy, > > > > Whatever little I have learnt I have learnt from KAS and from > > Krushanji and as per his teachings. My reference is from the link > > below which is from Donna's site and is one of the lessons of KAS. > > Please refer to 6th house and "Court Matters" are given as one of > > the things that 6th house shows. > > > > 7th house is 7th from 1st so it shows opposition or partner. So if > > there is some problems in partnership and that might result in a > > court case then 7th will have some relation with 6th house or lord. > > > > From what I understood, is that the couple is married so 7th house > > has triggered already, means they are already partners. Now their > > attempt is to finish a legal procedure as per desh kaal paatra > > principle so that the marrriage is considered a marraige in France > > which would include a court matter so 6th house is the house under > > focus. > > > > Thats All, > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 Dear CS, I hope you can analyze my case. My Details: DOB: 07-31-1965 TOB: 6:15 am POB: Tehran, Iran My Wife : DOB: 08-11-1969 TOB: 12:55 pm (afternoon) POB: Hyderabad, India (AP) We had a traditional marriage at the Bridgewater Temple in New Jersey, and were married again by Justice of the Peace and Mayor subsequently, 11 days later. regards, enigma jyotish-vidya, "ravindramani" <ravindramani wrote: > > Dear Mrs. Bhanu, > > Thanks for this chart. > > It is an interesting topic you put forward. To my understanding of > your message, the crux of the issue is the indications in a chart. > The basic promise. How to see a person who can marry a same person > twice. The reasons could be of anything but not divorce is the main > reason. Dasha and transits are secondary. First, the basic promise > should be available in a chart and that promise is to be manifested > when the dasha is favourable and the transit comes finally. > > So we have to search the promise in a chart what are they? > > I myself married the same woman twice. Here there is no court > involved. No administrative reasons of any country. I married the > woman of my choice according to the North Indian customs of Arya > Samaj in Delhi where we had been working since her parents are not > willing to give away the girl in marriage to me. > > Of course we had filed an affidavit in the court stating that we are > above the age of consent and we can marry each other as per our > choice. It was certified by the Judicial Magistrate and we married in > a Temple in Delhi applying the vermillon on her fore head. This is > simply because there should not be any leagl action from the parenets > of my partner i.e. we can decide our course of action according the > law of the land. > > After a week, at my home, my parents solmonised the marriage once > again according to my South Indian customs of my family tying the > knot on her neck. (Wearing the Mangala Sutra). > > I dont think here the legality is the main issue. The issue is how to > see in a chrt or the basic promise that is available in a chart a > person could marry twice the same person. That is what Mrs. Bhanu is > asking for. > > I have a limited number of charts doing a research on this kind of > charts. Unfortunately I have either the charts of a male partner or > a female partner and not both the charts of the partners those who > marry twice each other. > > There are certain clear trends emerging and could be applied in a > replicable manner. I and my friend both are doing a research in this > type of marriages. The parameters are to be applied in a large scale > i.e. in sufficient number of charts. Some of the parameters we > evolved are applicable in the instant chart which you provided in the > Group. > > If this is the issue you are looking for I give the parameters which > we are applying. > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > ====================================================================== > Dear friends, > > I thought this is an interesting case and would like to share with > you: > > Details: > June 4, 1982 > Time: 10:08:00 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 80 E 37' 00", 16 N 31' 00" > Vijayavada, India > > She born in India and later came to France at the age of 7 years. > > She got marrried in India on 7th June 2006 in India with an india boy. > Later both couple came to France. Due to administartion, they need to > get married again in France. > > So, they are doing all official work to get married again. > > How to see this type of marriage to same person two times in a > horoscope? > > Any information is highly appreciated. > > Best regards > Bhanu > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 Dear Sir, Thank you for offering your chart and your spouse's chart as well for a research. Let me go through them and revert back to you. "enigma" may not be your name. May I know your good name please? Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. =================== Re: marriage - Interesting case Dear CS, I hope you can analyze my case. My Details: DOB: 07-31-1965 TOB: 6:15 am POB: Tehran, Iran My Wife : DOB: 08-11-1969 TOB: 12:55 pm (afternoon) POB: Hyderabad, India (AP) We had a traditional marriage at the Bridgewater Temple in New Jersey, and were married again by Justice of the Peace and Mayor subsequently, 11 days later. regards, enigma ========================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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