Jup_Venus_Chart_Analysis-conclusions: warnings? 30/10

October 30, 2006

Dear Prashant,

Last time mercury went retrograde, Bhaskar joined this group. He ended up arguing with almost everyone, that too vociferously. I just searched through the emails from that period when mercury was retrograde, 5th July 2006 to 28th July 2006.

The earlier retrogression was from 3rd march to 26th march 2006. In both these periods the mails to the group increased considerably and some personal arguments were also witnessed. Though there are conflicts in other periods too but mercury retrogression witnesses an increase in use of verbal weaponry.

Your points about moon-ketu and moon-rahu fit well too with the arguments and personal attacks. On 31st October 2006, moon-rahu will be in Aquarius, for the first time in last eighteen years. For cancer ascendent born people like me, it can be really stressful, Aquarius being eighth house.

I would prefer to keep silent for next three days.

Delhi is under a total strike today. The 'Bandh' has been enforced by traders whose illegally built commercial establishments are under threat of enclosure and demolition by order of Supreme Court of India. Looking at present planetary combinations, Venus-mars combust, mercury retrograde (rumours unbound), Saturn dead in degrees, Jupiter nascent and weak in Scorpio, and moon-rahu on next two days on which the strike will last, the combinations are pretty scary.

India's 15th august 1947, 00.00 hrs, Delhi, horoscope has Taurus ascendent. Looking at planets in transit in this chart, the sixth house has all the impact of planets. Let us hope everything ends without much unrest.

Regards,

Ashutosh

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Prashant Kumar G B

Monday, 30 October, 2006 11:46

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.Dear Ashutosh,

It appears mercury retro has some role but we have seen greater chaos in chandra+rahu or chand+ketu on most occasions in this yr. which were more off the track and diff tangents. too personal also.

Now accepting a change is a bit difficult sure this is one from a care-free to a moderated one is a evolving stage and we will surely continuously evolve ourselves in finding the right mix of debates, exchanges, analysis and so on. But I am sure this hot seat is the not reason for the control request, but any member can surely suggest this in remember prafulla-ji also suggesting so in the past when he was around, I have also expressed some doubts of the chandra+rahu, ketu axis also after getting into one or two threads did stop from pushing further, when it became vortex, now I dont enter most threads and if i do I pref avoid these combination days and get to comment if I have to.

Srinivas was not going beyond a set point after my initial post [if u see my post it is not crossing urs or his but had my own part to say on it-it is a sure divorce case] saw the exchange between u and him felt there was no light in it and did not want to add to heat at least. I hope u a dd a few line son the education part I said and the divorce forecast as well.

u r doing well so far and it is nice some moderation, than NO MODERATION.

regards/prashant

October 31, 2006

Ashutoshji,

That is a very interesting observation and thanks for taking the time

to quote an instance. Several people join more than one forums and it

would be interesting to see how they behaved during a given period of

time on different forums. If behaviour is similar, this would

strenghthen the association of aberrant or combative behaviour with

retrograde mercury, particularly if they quieten down after the

retrograde period is over.

Then again, some people may be a bit more volatile and they might be

triggered by such transits. Observing human behaviour is such an

interesting study and we astrologers are blessed to have the tools

for that if there is interest, of course. Most individuals seem to be

a bit apathetic in this matter (i.e., utilize astrology more actively

and creatively!)

But we all must do what we must do, I suppose,

RR

October 31, 2006

Dear Rohini Ji,

I have observed that for myself moon in scorpio and Taurus is a trigger. In most of the cases, when I was involved in arguments, moon was in scorpio or Taurus.

Those with mercury as a yogakarak, in own house and/or retrograde are more prone to be involved in arguments whenever mercury is strong in transit or retrograde.

As astrology itself is a science very much influenced and powered by mercury, most of the astrologers cannot help not getting into debates whenever mercury is retrograde.

In its last retrogression, mercury went from cancer to Gemini, its own house. That period saw the most frequency of emails in the group and some very pronounced arguments and differences of opinions. Interestingly, most of the people involved in that war of words were having Leo ascendent in their natal charts. The transits as seen from Leo were as follows:

Sun: cancer, 12th house (loss of efforts and energies)

Mercury, cancer & Gemini, 12th (loss of efforts and energy), 11th (money matters)

Mars: Leo, ascendent (energy unbound, anger)

Saturn: cancer,12th (loss of efforts)

Jupiter: Libra, 3rd (will to fight)

Venus: Gemini, 11th(money matters)

Rahu: Pisces, 8th (insecurity)

Ketu: Virgo, 2nd (speech & expression of thoughts)

The money and earnings from astrology, advertisements of , professional astrology, etc was a prime issue in the arguments. There were sudden bursts of anger and subsequent immediate cooling down of tempers and apologies.

Regards,

Ashutosh

-

Rohiniranjan

Tuesday, 31 October, 2006 05:46

Re: Jup_Venus_Chart_Analysis-conclusions: warnings? 30/10

Ashutoshji,

That is a very interesting observation and thanks for taking the time

to quote an instance. Several people join more than one forums and it

would be interesting to see how they behaved during a given period of

time on different forums. If behaviour is similar, this would

strenghthen the association of aberrant or combative behaviour with

retrograde mercury, particularly if they quieten down after the

retrograde period is over.

Then again, some people may be a bit more volatile and they might be

triggered by such transits. Observing human behaviour is such an

interesting study and we astrologers are blessed to have the tools

for that if there is interest, of course. Most individuals seem to be

a bit apathetic in this matter (i.e., utilize astrology more actively

and creatively!)

But we all must do what we must do, I suppose,

RR

October 31, 2006

Dear ashutosh,

well document effort, will help us watch our moves more closely. But do u see the pattern there in Budha most of the heat as u said was between Leo Asc connection, and also most of the members except you and Bhaskar who also read charts rest were more in general or mutual chats than content which added to some heat as no topic is generally being discussed via charts along side, in ICAS we have one thos from day one and sure delhi, Bangalore, Pune, chennai chapters do that every week. at various levels, dimensions of a chart, varga or Adhidevatas of each star and son on. this is sure to help than mere one and tow liners exchanges.

Prashant

astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh (AT) (DOT) fr> wrote: Dear Rohini Ji,

I have observed that for myself moon in scorpio and Taurus is a trigger. In most of the cases, when I was involved in arguments, moon was in scorpio or Taurus.

Those with mercury as a yogakarak, in own house and/or retrograde are more prone to be involved in arguments whenever mercury is strong in transit or retrograde.

As astrology itself is a science very much influenced and powered by mercury, most of the astrologers cannot help not getting into debates whenever mercury is retrograde.

In its last retrogression, mercury went from cancer to Gemini, its own house. That period saw the most frequency of emails in the group and some very pronounced arguments and differences of opinions. Interestingly, most of the people involved in that war of words were having Leo ascendent in their natal charts. The transits as seen from Leo were as follows:

Sun: cancer, 12th house (loss of efforts and energies)

Mercury, cancer & Gemini, 12th (loss of efforts and energy), 11th (money matters)

Mars: Leo, ascendent (energy unbound, anger)

Saturn: cancer,12th (loss of efforts)

Jupiter: Libra, 3rd (will to fight)

Venus: Gemini, 11th(money matters)

Rahu: Pisces, 8th (insecurity)

Ketu: Virgo, 2nd (speech & expression of thoughts)

The money and earnings from astrology, advertisements of , professional astrology, etc was a prime issue in the arguments. There were sudden bursts of anger and subsequent immediate cooling down of tempers and apologies.

Regards,

Ashutosh

-

Rohiniranjan

Tuesday, 31 October, 2006 05:46

Re: Jup_Venus_Chart_Analysis-conclusions: warnings? 30/10

Ashutoshji,

That is a very interesting observation and thanks for taking the time

to quote an instance. Several people join more than one forums and it

would be interesting to see how they behaved during a given period of

time on different forums. If behaviour is similar, this would

strenghthen the association of aberrant or combative behaviour with

retrograde mercury, particularly if they quieten down after the

retrograde period is over.

Then again, some people may be a bit more volatile and they might be

triggered by such transits. Observing human behaviour is such an

interesting study and we astrologers are blessed to have the tools

for that if there is interest, of course. Most individuals seem to be

a bit apathetic in this matter (i.e., utilize astrology more actively

and creatively!)

But we all must do what we must do, I suppose,

RR

October 31, 2006

Thanks for taking the time to make those observations, Ashutoshji.

Let us mark the next similar transits/retrogrades and then see what

unfolds the next time. If the brawl and fighting breaks out again, it

would have proven that the astrological rule works.

If brawls don't occur then it would go towards proving that "to be

forewarned is to be prepared"

If the latter is the case then one would deduce that through learning

astrology and understanding the impacts of transits etc, we can shape

our behaviour, and our destiny!

Do you agree? Either way, astrology wins!

RR

, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini Ji,

>

> I have observed that for myself moon in

scorpio and Taurus is a trigger. In most of the cases, when I was

involved in arguments, moon was in scorpio or Taurus.

>

> Those with mercury as a yogakarak, in own house and/or

retrograde are more prone to be involved in arguments whenever

mercury is strong in transit or retrograde.

>

> As astrology itself is a science very much influenced and

powered by mercury, most of the astrologers cannot help not getting

into debates whenever mercury is retrograde.

>

> In its last retrogression, mercury went from cancer to

Gemini, its own house. That period saw the most frequency of emails

in the group and some very pronounced arguments and differences of

opinions. Interestingly, most of the people involved in that war of

words were having Leo ascendent in their natal charts. The transits

as seen from Leo were as follows:

>

> Sun: cancer, 12th house (loss of efforts and energies)

> Mercury, cancer & Gemini, 12th (loss of efforts and energy), 11th

(money matters)

> Mars: Leo, ascendent (energy unbound, anger)

> Saturn: cancer,12th (loss of efforts)

> Jupiter: Libra, 3rd (will to fight)

> Venus: Gemini, 11th(money matters)

> Rahu: Pisces, 8th (insecurity)

> Ketu: Virgo, 2nd (speech & expression of thoughts)

>

> The money and earnings from astrology, advertisements of

, professional astrology, etc was a prime issue in the

arguments. There were sudden bursts of anger and subsequent immediate

cooling down of tempers and apologies.

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

> -

> Rohiniranjan

>

> Tuesday, 31 October, 2006 05:46

> Re: Jup_Venus_Chart_Analysis-conclusions: warnings?

30/10

>

> Ashutoshji,

>

> That is a very interesting observation and thanks for taking the

time

> to quote an instance. Several people join more than one forums

and it

> would be interesting to see how they behaved during a given

period of

> time on different forums. If behaviour is similar, this would

> strenghthen the association of aberrant or combative behaviour

with

> retrograde mercury, particularly if they quieten down after the

> retrograde period is over.

>

> Then again, some people may be a bit more volatile and they might

be

> triggered by such transits. Observing human behaviour is such an

> interesting study and we astrologers are blessed to have the

tools

> for that if there is interest, of course. Most individuals seem

to be

> a bit apathetic in this matter (i.e., utilize astrology more

actively

> and creatively!)

>

> But we all must do what we must do, I suppose,

>

> RR

>

November 1, 2006

Ashutoshji,

It is wonderful when an accomplished professional like you shares! I

take this as a personal compliment that you take someone like me

seriously, insofaras jyotish is concerned -- though I am just a

dabbler (I do not or never did earn my living through astrology,

hence in the pragmatic worldly scheme of things that can be and

perhaps at times been interepreted as my not being serious or

passionate about astrology. Just for clarity, I do not recall you

ever said so or expressed lack of faith in my seriousness about my

devotion to astrology.)

The chart that you gave during the period of recent mahabharata

(mostly emanating from but not entirely from Bharata!) here, from the

simha rashi chart mars was rising (treating transits as natal). Sun

and saturn were together in the 12th. mercury had just left sun and

saturn in 12th and now moving on to venus in 11th. Jupiter was in 3rd

and rahu ketu were in 8th and 2nd respectively. Let us give moon its

well-deserved vacation for this one, though someone more energetic

and younger than I may want to go looking for more details and see if

they can identify a finer pattern.

Lagna is the critical bhava some say. The owner of badhaka sthana,

mars, though yogakarak is placed in the lagna. I personally give more

credence to badhakasthana than badhakapati, so I will not put that

factor on the pedestal. However, mars in lagna does speak for a

tendency to react, to fight back. If mars is strong in lagna, only

worthwhile battles are fought and one does not react willy nilly at

every barb coming their way. But let no one underestimate them when

they are aroused or engaged! Ruchaka yoga.

Was mars responsible for the outbursts? Not obviously because, mars

is kshatriya. He does not fight micro-battles. Once engaged, he must

continue to push and fight for sometime. Like an army should, like a

strong policeman must! For him the battle is not personal, but for a

cause greater than himself.

On the other hand, weaker mars in lagnas would just be brawlers --

reacting at every fly that crosses their path or perceived path and

flashing their sword, ceremoniously, and unfortunately sometimes

hurting themselves more than others -- their perceived enemies. Hence

mars in lagna when weak gives scars and other disfigurements. Not in

100% cases before someone sends me their beautiful portrait jpeg even

if they have mars in cancer rising and moon in scorpio!!

Ketu in 2nd could give that volatile foot in the mouth syndrome that

we calm observers must have observed seemingly for eons! Ketu is in

mercury's sign.

Jupiter in 3rd can have a great saving role on communications and

networking but he is lord of 8th and a dispositor for rahu. But

Jupiter's dispositor is placed in 11th in labhasthana and jupiter is

also lord of 5th (buddhi, karmic investment for future ... (later!).

The worst combination in this kundalipakam that I see is the union of

two natural enemies sun and saturn in the 12th house. The errant

father and the illegitimate son, sun and son, literally, caged in the

house of losses and the realm beyond worldly good. That sun happens

to be lagnesha and saturn represents the 6th (enemies) and 7th

(interaction and by some open enemies) being in 12th can only bring

the bad energies to the fore.

Mercury as you stated was in 12th and retrograded into 11th. My guess

would be that mercury was holding the father and son in a leash,

under check and when he retrogressed into the 11th, the two were

unchecked to go at each other's throat and the lagnas (nativities)

flared up and expressed their enmity (6) openly and publicly (7).

Mercury retrogression was in that analysis, if correct and

meaningful, may have been the trigger, but it only revealed what was

already there, seething beneath the surface, visible but not quite,

very much in keeping with what 12th house signifies. And if only sun

(lagnesha for leo) and saturn (see above) were not there, would the

retrogression of mercury have flared up the flame war? Assuming that

the dates are synchronized and correct. I did not verify.

I am sorry for the longish prattle but if it makes sense to anyone,

even if it is not someone of your calibre, I can sleep well tonight :-

)

RR

, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini Ji,

>

> I have observed that for myself moon in

scorpio and Taurus is a trigger. In most of the cases, when I was

involved in arguments, moon was in scorpio or Taurus.

>

> Those with mercury as a yogakarak, in own house and/or

retrograde are more prone to be involved in arguments whenever

mercury is strong in transit or retrograde.

>

> As astrology itself is a science very much influenced and

powered by mercury, most of the astrologers cannot help not getting

into debates whenever mercury is retrograde.

>

> In its last retrogression, mercury went from cancer to

Gemini, its own house. That period saw the most frequency of emails

in the group and some very pronounced arguments and differences of

opinions. Interestingly, most of the people involved in that war of

words were having Leo ascendent in their natal charts. The transits

as seen from Leo were as follows:

>

> Sun: cancer, 12th house (loss of efforts and energies)

> Mercury, cancer & Gemini, 12th (loss of efforts and energy), 11th

(money matters)

> Mars: Leo, ascendent (energy unbound, anger)

> Saturn: cancer,12th (loss of efforts)

> Jupiter: Libra, 3rd (will to fight)

> Venus: Gemini, 11th(money matters)

> Rahu: Pisces, 8th (insecurity)

> Ketu: Virgo, 2nd (speech & expression of thoughts)

>

> The money and earnings from astrology, advertisements of

, professional astrology, etc was a prime issue in the

arguments. There were sudden bursts of anger and subsequent immediate

cooling down of tempers and apologies.

>

> Regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

> -

> Rohiniranjan

>

> Tuesday, 31 October, 2006 05:46

> Re: Jup_Venus_Chart_Analysis-conclusions: warnings?

30/10

>

> Ashutoshji,

>

> That is a very interesting observation and thanks for taking the

time

> to quote an instance. Several people join more than one forums

and it

> would be interesting to see how they behaved during a given

period of

> time on different forums. If behaviour is similar, this would

> strenghthen the association of aberrant or combative behaviour

with

> retrograde mercury, particularly if they quieten down after the

> retrograde period is over.

>

> Then again, some people may be a bit more volatile and they might

be

> triggered by such transits. Observing human behaviour is such an

> interesting study and we astrologers are blessed to have the

tools

> for that if there is interest, of course. Most individuals seem

to be

> a bit apathetic in this matter (i.e., utilize astrology more

actively

> and creatively!)

>

> But we all must do what we must do, I suppose,

>

> RR

>

November 1, 2006

Dear Rohini Ji,

Your analysis and interpretations are very correct and intellectually stimulating too. The dates of retrogression for mercury are correct.

Mercury is the catalyst, the 'Narada' among planets. It is the journalist, spreading news and at the same time searching for news. When it retrogrades it acts like an unethical journalist who is rather trying to create news and hunting for the big scoop.

Yes, the grounds for war were made ready by other planets like sun, Saturn, ketu and mars through their placements, but mercury exploited their weaknesses and combinations to its own gain. In the end it won because it gained what it desired, a big story, a big scoop.

Mercury makes one think and express more. Even there where no expressions or logical thoughts are needed, instead a subtle, spontaneous, realization, absorption and understanding of concepts is needed. Therefore, Mercury represents only logic, not wisdom. Mercury knows only how to express and argue but it cannot judge 'if' and 'when' to argue.

Rohini Ji, even though you do not overtly display your astrological knowledge in your posts, any astrologer can easily judge your great depths of knowledge and experiences with astrological through your writings.

Best wishes,

Ashutosh

-

Rohiniranjan

Wednesday, 01 November, 2006 07:39