Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 || Hare Raama Krsna || || Durgaa Saranam || Dear Srivaastava-ji, namaskar. Your learned self has kindly elaborated the question and aspects of how a prasna can be asked and when it should be answered. Kindly permit me to give my thoughts in details, but first let me elaborate on your primary question. Lagna and 7th house form an axis of truth. This truth is truth within the Realm of Maaya, as is any state of existance as we know of. So a king of Satya yuga asking about a future progeny and a lay person of present Kali yuga asking about possibility of his progeny or business or fructification of a love affair etc., the truth is such questions is of the same level. So choice of KP or traditional Jyotisha system (including Nadi horas) is immaterial. We cannot say that KP is for more mundane questions and so forth just because it deals with Arudhas etc. Now coming back to the point, Lagna indicates the state of the person who is asking question(s) and 7th house shows the desire in his mind behind this question(s). Malefics are of more tamo gunas. Infact each graha has a satva-rajah-tamo associated and of these malefics indicate particular predominance of tamo guna. Tamo guna is not untruth in absolute metrics but only in relative terms. So these, grahas occupying or aspecting the lagna shows the degree of sincerety (or lack of it ) and hence by the same token if the question is asked in clear or if there is a lie built in or if there is some information withheld intentionally or by mistake. Hence this will tell us how many levels of questions can be answered at most. Affliction of 7th house indicates malefic intention of usage of the outcomes of prasna ( e.g. abortion or killing someone etc.) and hence such questions should not be entertained. Questions to test the faith of jyotishi or to test the effectiveness of this sashtra should also not be entertained as this is directly doubting God or Mahaamaayaa, Who has allowed us the knowledge of this science for our benefit. This is why I said that lagna bhava being 2nd from 12-th, with malefics like Rahu and Sani on the lagna, the outcome may not fructify or may not do so to the full extent. There will be some lack to strength in the prediction. Now having said that kindly permit me to write a few lines on the topic as a whole. A person can tie a rock at one end of a string and holding the other end can whirl the rock around in circles. From the point of view of the rock, the whole world is rotating and from the point of view of the world, the rock rotating with the same angular speed. So irrespective of the reference, the truth (angular speed) is the same. Now, I was discussing with a friend of mine studying electrical engineering and he said that it is very very difficult, perhaps impossible, to generate a truely random number even with the best of supercomputers. To me this quickly reflected that this is because there is a degree of determinacy in everything and everything is connected with everything else like beads in a maalaa are connected with a string which cannot be seen. If so, then this underlying connectivity is the Truth behind the Manifest. If so, then the truth of time when the question is 'born' in the querrant's mind, the truth of the time when the querrant is able to come to the astrologer and ask the question, and the truth when the astrologer wishes to cast the chart are all, in essence connected. The grahas which govern the mind of the querrant, also governs the events leading upto the meeting of querrant and astrologer, and the same grahas govern the mind of the astrologer and creates that moment in time when the astrologer 'wishes' to cast the chart. Hence, I do not to the dispute as to which of these times the Prasna Chart should be drawn. It is immaterial. Both the question and the conclusion (answer) to it are manifestation of the Divine and planned by Divine Intelligence. This in essence tells me that there is no actual difference between analysis of Prasna, Jataka or Mundane astrology. Everything is analysis of the quality of time and Jyotishi is like a doctor who is asked if and when Time is pregnant enough to deliver. Now, if Jyotishi has had proper saadhana, the truth within is strong (so is vagbala) and manifestation is clear. Hence when the jyotishi agrees to let his own mind be the instrument of measurement and analysis (i.e. casting the chart based on his/her own 'wish') and yet the lagna indicates weakness and affliction, it shows that the question is rather not be answered as the querrant's state is either confused, or he/she is under ill intention. In that case the jyotishi can rely on his vagbala for the first question (if he so wants) and answering further questions is not proper (in my understanding). Notice that whether he will or will not answer even the first question, under this situation is also governed by the same grahas which has given birth the question and to this difficult prasna chart. So, at length, it can be said that degree of saadhana, faith and knowledge can help the jyotishi in the first question stage and for further questions it becomes increasingly risky. For that matter, can it not be inferred that the person who speaks perfect truth (within the realms of his concious knowledge), whatever he says, under any circumstances, will come out to be true, no matter how many questions he wishes to answer ? In this context, I want to refer a quote from Thakur Sri Raamakrsna: In Kali Yuga, the only saadhana is saadhana of speaking and practicing truth. I hope Gurus and learned members like your kind self will guide in these matters of concept. Sarvam Durgaarpanamastu. Best wishes, Sourav II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Friend, Dear sourav, Regarding Lagan strength, my understanding is, that strength of lagan indicates in prasna success for sure but in first prasna for first subject only. Not only this second part of strength of Karya bhave should also be fulfilled. The type of source of Strength tells you how success is achieved, from where the resources may be a person or a thing is emerging for realization of objects. The principle of desire and intension applies well to second prasna also that is taken from the moon. To keep short I was exposed once to a test before congregation / gathering of large person, when a fellow astrologer posed a mook prasna to test after I answered someone before villagers. The gathering was on occasion of Rudra yagna on the banks of Narmada. The situation was not for test of my abilities in jyotish but was aimed to malign astrology itself before simple villagers and priests from Banaras who were mostly devotee of area And priests were karmkandi of High repute. The day was Chaturdasi .I knew and had only Leo PC/2 with me (A hand held device slow pocket computer programmed in Basic on Casio FX 888). I was not armed with fast device. I prayed lord for it was second question and Moon was to be taken as a lagan. Injunctions were against handling second question..If done remedies and japa are called for. People demanded questioner to write his prasna and give it to some prominent person in gathering. They wanted me to write the answer to question as well as to predict. Thereafter what happened? .Mook prasna that I wrote was approximately the same, and answer to it still stands to verification for I did not get feedback. Hope this clearly defines purpose of Reading is also important, and it is all divine will that manifests through such trivial exercises of Astrological readings. Regarding second statement, yes I have heard Sanjayji telling so. But I am sorry I have not implemented and tested this for feedback is very rare. Unless you have handled a paid client. Thanks for reminding this injunction. I shall work on it and will submit if I reach a conclusion. Hare Raama Krsna || || Durgaa Saranam || Dear Srivaastava-ji, namaskar. In addition to Lagna's strength, we should also see the benefic/malefic influences on the 7th from lagna (desire of the querrant). Further, jyotishi sits in the 12-th house in the prasna chart. So lagnabhava is 2nd house (house of Speech where Saraswati Maata sits). If this house is not in strength 'and' and under benefic in fluences, what is said may not come out true or may be a negative prediction. Hence strength of lagna and aspect of Guru on lagna is said to be important in making a choice to predict or not. Best wishes, Sourav Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah Sarve Santu Niramaya Sarve Bhadrani Pasyantu Ma Kashchid Dukh Bhaag Bhaveit HARI OM TATSAT ------------------------ R.C.Srivastava Consulting Astrologer E-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa" Shaheed Nagar. Agra 282001 INDIA Ph +91-562-223-2323/+91-562-400-1223 Mob +91-94122-68768 http://www.cosmograce.com http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com ------------------------ - Sourav Monday, October 30, 2006 6:52 AM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mail_templete || Hare Raama Krsna || || Durgaa Saranam || Dear Srivaastava-ji, namaskar. In addition to Lagna's strength, we should also see the benefic/malefic influences on the 7th from lagna (desire of the querrant). Further, jyotishi sits in the 12-th house in the prasna chart. So lagnabhava is 2nd house (house of Speech where Saraswati Maata sits). If this house is not in strength 'and' and under benefic in fluences, what is said may not come out true or may be a negative prediction. Hence strength of lagna and aspect of Guru on lagna is said to be important in making a choice to predict or not. Best wishes, Sourav ================================================================= , "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote: > > > || Hare Raama Krsna || > > || Durgaa Saranam || > > Dear Srivaastava-ji, > > namaskar. Desire could be > genuine but bad (harmful intent i.e. to hurt someone else etc.) or > desire is not genuine/casual and trying to test the astrologer. Further > these days ppl are impatient and ask several astrologers one after > another. For Prasna, same question should not be asked to another > astrologer within three months from asking that question for the first > time - no matter if the astrolger is using KP jyotish or other > traditional means. > > Visti-ji kindly correct me. > > Sarvam Durgaarpanamastu. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ------\ > ------------ > > > , "swami" swami_rcs@ wrote: > > > > ` ^g[ezay nm> > > II Om Gurave Namah II > > > > Hari om , Friend, > > Dear Visti, > > In a mail earlier you said " now there are some simple steps we can > take to make sure our prasna is correct to answer......2.Prasna rasi > lagna should be devoid of tamsic planets to indicate sincerity of the > questioner. > > > > Now please make me understand , say Aquarious is rising.Saturn now a > days is in Cancer. Tamsic planet is in Lagan.But rahu is colord of > Aquarios so it is in own sign. Saturn has rasi dristi on Aquarious. > > How to interpret; desire is genuine or not. In last three days I am > struggling with correct interpretation. In Two cases desire appeared to > be genuine by my indirect information. But what are the indications of > Planets, in your judgment. > > Hope you will find time to answer. > > Thanking in anticipation. > > > > Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah > > Sarve Santu Niramaya > > Sarve Bhadrani Pasyantu > > Ma Kashchid Dukh Bhaag Bhaveit > > HARI OM TATSAT > > ------------------------ > > R.C.Srivastava > > E-mail : swami_rcs@ > > > > 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa" > > Shaheed Nagar. Agra 282001 > > INDIA > > Ph +91-562-223-2323/+91-562-400-1223 > > Mob +91-94122-68768 > > http://www.cosmograce.com > > http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Friend, Dear Sourav, yes Your thinking and sharing is in tune as we try to understand the prasna in present days. I will be happy now if Visti chooses and obliges with his viewpoint to my doubt and his interpretation./ clarification: for this doubt will continue to haunt till saturn leaves Cancer. OM TAT SAT - Sourav Chowdhury Monday, October 30, 2006 12:50 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mail_templete (On Prasna) || Hare Raama Krsna || || Durgaa Saranam || Dear Srivaastava-ji, namaskar. Your learned self has kindly elaborated the question and aspects of how a prasna can be asked and when it should be answered. Kindly permit me to give my thoughts in details, but first let me elaborate on your primary question. Lagna and 7th house form an axis of truth. This truth is truth within the Realm of Maaya, as is any state of existance as we know of. So a king of Satya yuga asking about a future progeny and a lay person of present Kali yuga asking about possibility of his progeny or business or fructification of a love affair etc., the truth is such questions is of the same level. So choice of KP or traditional Jyotisha system (including Nadi horas) is immaterial. We cannot say that KP is for more mundane questions and so forth just because it deals with Arudhas etc. Now coming back to the point, Lagna indicates the state of the person who is asking question(s) and 7th house shows the desire in his mind behind this question(s). Malefics are of more tamo gunas. Infact each graha has a satva-rajah-tamo associated and of these malefics indicate particular predominance of tamo guna. Tamo guna is not untruth in absolute metrics but only in relative terms. So these, grahas occupying or aspecting the lagna shows the degree of sincerety (or lack of it ) and hence by the same token if the question is asked in clear or if there is a lie built in or if there is some information withheld intentionally or by mistake. Hence this will tell us how many levels of questions can be answered at most. Affliction of 7th house indicates malefic intention of usage of the outcomes of prasna ( e.g. abortion or killing someone etc.) and hence such questions should not be entertained. Questions to test the faith of jyotishi or to test the effectiveness of this sashtra should also not be entertained as this is directly doubting God or Mahaamaayaa, Who has allowed us the knowledge of this science for our benefit. This is why I said that lagna bhava being 2nd from 12-th, with malefics like Rahu and Sani on the lagna, the outcome may not fructify or may not do so to the full extent. There will be some lack to strength in the prediction. Now having said that kindly permit me to write a few lines on the topic as a whole. A person can tie a rock at one end of a string and holding the other end can whirl the rock around in circles. From the point of view of the rock, the whole world is rotating and from the point of view of the world, the rock rotating with the same angular speed. So irrespective of the reference, the truth (angular speed) is the same. Now, I was discussing with a friend of mine studying electrical engineering and he said that it is very very difficult, perhaps impossible, to generate a truely random number even with the best of supercomputers. To me this quickly reflected that this is because there is a degree of determinacy in everything and everything is connected with everything else like beads in a maalaa are connected with a string which cannot be seen. If so, then this underlying connectivity is the Truth behind the Manifest. If so, then the truth of time when the question is 'born' in the querrant's mind, the truth of the time when the querrant is able to come to the astrologer and ask the question, and the truth when the astrologer wishes to cast the chart are all, in essence connected. The grahas which govern the mind of the querrant, also governs the events leading upto the meeting of querrant and astrologer, and the same grahas govern the mind of the astrologer and creates that moment in time when the astrologer 'wishes' to cast the chart. Hence, I do not to the dispute as to which of these times the Prasna Chart should be drawn. It is immaterial. Both the question and the conclusion (answer) to it are manifestation of the Divine and planned by Divine Intelligence. This in essence tells me that there is no actual difference between analysis of Prasna, Jataka or Mundane astrology. Everything is analysis of the quality of time and Jyotishi is like a doctor who is asked if and when Time is pregnant enough to deliver. Now, if Jyotishi has had proper saadhana, the truth within is strong (so is vagbala) and manifestation is clear. Hence when the jyotishi agrees to let his own mind be the instrument of measurement and analysis (i.e. casting the chart based on his/her own 'wish') and yet the lagna indicates weakness and affliction, it shows that the question is rather not be answered as the querrant's state is either confused, or he/she is under ill intention. In that case the jyotishi can rely on his vagbala for the first question (if he so wants) and answering further questions is not proper (in my understanding). Notice that whether he will or will not answer even the first question, under this situation is also governed by the same grahas which has given birth the question and to this difficult prasna chart. So, at length, it can be said that degree of saadhana, faith and knowledge can help the jyotishi in the first question stage and for further questions it becomes increasingly risky. For that matter, can it not be inferred that the person who speaks perfect truth (within the realms of his concious knowledge), whatever he says, under any circumstances, will come out to be true, no matter how many questions he wishes to answer ? In this context, I want to refer a quote from Thakur Sri Raamakrsna: In Kali Yuga, the only saadhana is saadhana of speaking and practicing truth. I hope Gurus and learned members like your kind self will guide in these matters of concept. Sarvam Durgaarpanamastu. Best wishes, Sourav II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Friend, Dear sourav, Regarding Lagan strength, my understanding is, that strength of lagan indicates in prasna success for sure but in first prasna for first subject only. Not only this second part of strength of Karya bhave should also be fulfilled. The type of source of Strength tells you how success is achieved, from where the resources may be a person or a thing is emerging for realization of objects. The principle of desire and intension applies well to second prasna also that is taken from the moon. To keep short I was exposed once to a test before congregation / gathering of large person, when a fellow astrologer posed a mook prasna to test after I answered someone before villagers. The gathering was on occasion of Rudra yagna on the banks of Narmada. The situation was not for test of my abilities in jyotish but was aimed to malign astrology itself before simple villagers and priests from Banaras who were mostly devotee of area And priests were karmkandi of High repute. The day was Chaturdasi .I knew and had only Leo PC/2 with me (A hand held device slow pocket computer programmed in Basic on Casio FX 888). I was not armed with fast device. I prayed lord for it was second question and Moon was to be taken as a lagan. Injunctions were against handling second question.If done remedies and japa are called for. People demanded questioner to write his prasna and give it to some prominent person in gathering. They wanted me to write the answer to question as well as to predict. Thereafter what happened? .Mook prasna that I wrote was approximately the same, and answer to it still stands to verification for I did not get feedback. Hope this clearly defines purpose of Reading is also important, and it is all divine will that manifests through such trivial exercises of Astrological readings. Regarding second statement, yes I have heard Sanjayji telling so. But I am sorry I have not implemented and tested this for feedback is very rare. Unless you have handled a paid client. Thanks for reminding this injunction. I shall work on it and will submit if I reach a conclusion. Hare Raama Krsna || || Durgaa Saranam || Dear Srivaastava-ji, namaskar. In addition to Lagna's strength, we should also see the benefic/malefic influences on the 7th from lagna (desire of the querrant). Further, jyotishi sits in the 12-th house in the prasna chart. So lagnabhava is 2nd house (house of Speech where Saraswati Maata sits). If this house is not in strength 'and' and under benefic in fluences, what is said may not come out true or may be a negative prediction. Hence strength of lagna and aspect of Guru on lagna is said to be important in making a choice to predict or not. Best wishes, Sourav Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah Sarve Santu Niramaya Sarve Bhadrani Pasyantu Ma Kashchid Dukh Bhaag Bhaveit HARI OM TATSAT ------------------------ R.C.Srivastava Consulting Astrologer E-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa" Shaheed Nagar. Agra 282001 INDIA Ph +91-562-223-2323/+91-562-400-1223 Mob +91-94122-68768 http://www.cosmograce.com http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com ------------------------ - Sourav Monday, October 30, 2006 6:52 AM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mail_templete || Hare Raama Krsna || || Durgaa Saranam || Dear Srivaastava-ji, namaskar. In addition to Lagna's strength, we should also see the benefic/malefic influences on the 7th from lagna (desire of the querrant). Further, jyotishi sits in the 12-th house in the prasna chart. So lagnabhava is 2nd house (house of Speech where Saraswati Maata sits). If this house is not in strength 'and' and under benefic in fluences, what is said may not come out true or may be a negative prediction. Hence strength of lagna and aspect of Guru on lagna is said to be important in making a choice to predict or not. Best wishes, Sourav ================================================================= , "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote: > > > || Hare Raama Krsna || > > || Durgaa Saranam || > > Dear Srivaastava-ji, > > namaskar. Desire could be > genuine but bad (harmful intent i.e. to hurt someone else etc.) or > desire is not genuine/casual and trying to test the astrologer. Further > these days ppl are impatient and ask several astrologers one after > another. For Prasna, same question should not be asked to another > astrologer within three months from asking that question for the first > time - no matter if the astrolger is using KP jyotish or other > traditional means. > > Visti-ji kindly correct me. > > Sarvam Durgaarpanamastu. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ------\ > ------------ > > > , "swami" swami_rcs@ wrote: > > > > ` ^g[ezay nm> > > II Om Gurave Namah II > > > > Hari om , Friend, > > Dear Visti, > > In a mail earlier you said " now there are some simple steps we can > take to make sure our prasna is correct to answer......2.Prasna rasi > lagna should be devoid of tamsic planets to indicate sincerity of the > questioner. > > > > Now please make me understand , say Aquarious is rising.Saturn now a > days is in Cancer. Tamsic planet is in Lagan.But rahu is colord of > Aquarios so it is in own sign. Saturn has rasi dristi on Aquarious. > > How to interpret; desire is genuine or not. In last three days I am > struggling with correct interpretation. In Two cases desire appeared to > be genuine by my indirect information. But what are the indications of > Planets, in your judgment. > > Hope you will find time to answer. > > Thanking in anticipation. > > > > Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah > > Sarve Santu Niramaya > > Sarve Bhadrani Pasyantu > > Ma Kashchid Dukh Bhaag Bhaveit > > HARI OM TATSAT > > ------------------------ > > R.C.Srivastava > > E-mail : swami_rcs@ > > > > 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa" > > Shaheed Nagar. Agra 282001 > > INDIA > > Ph +91-562-223-2323/+91-562-400-1223 > > Mob +91-94122-68768 > > http://www.cosmograce.com > > http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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