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Dear Members,

 

I recently read a discourse regarding fate and free-will... See here

http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~krsna/AdvaitaVedanta/articles/The_Riddle_of_Fate_and_Free.htm

 

One particular statement that caught my attention was this;

 

"before the conflict begins, the problem is incapable of solution; and,

after the conflict ends, it is no longer necessary to find a solution."

 

It reminded me of the (absolute) importance of timing in jyotish (right

T.O.B. and right ayanamsha) in order to know precisely when a particular

karmic pattern is about to emerge as our experience. We know, that for a

yagya (sacrifice) to be effective, it must be done at the time a particular

event is about to manifest. Once manifested, a yagya has less, or little

effect and, of course, once the (particular) karmic event has been fully set

in motion...the missile has been fired, the spouse has fled (or whatever)

the time for intervention is already past.

 

As we all know, the world at this time appears to be on a dangerous

precipice and, in light of the upcoming yagya (involving 1500 Brahmin

Priests) dedicated to a shift in humanity and the world, it might be

interesting to look at the charts of some of the most powerful and/or

troublesome/troubled nations to see what karma may be manifesting at that

time. An opportunity perhaps to judge what effect, if any, this yagya might

have on world affairs.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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Dear Wendy,

 

Thanks for the link. I really enjoyed it. This is one of the

things that was bothering me. I did raise a question on this

topic in this forum some time back. This discourse has really

given me the answers.

 

Thanks,

Krishna

 

--- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

 

> Dear Members,

>

> I recently read a discourse regarding fate and free-will...

> See here

>

http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~krsna/AdvaitaVedanta/articles/The_Riddle_of_Fate_and_Free.htm

>

> One particular statement that caught my attention was this;

>

> "before the conflict begins, the problem is incapable of

> solution; and,

> after the conflict ends, it is no longer necessary to find a

> solution."

>

> It reminded me of the (absolute) importance of timing in

> jyotish (right

> T.O.B. and right ayanamsha) in order to know precisely when a

> particular

> karmic pattern is about to emerge as our experience. We know,

> that for a

> yagya (sacrifice) to be effective, it must be done at the time

> a particular

> event is about to manifest. Once manifested, a yagya has less,

> or little

> effect and, of course, once the (particular) karmic event has

> been fully set

> in motion...the missile has been fired, the spouse has fled

> (or whatever)

> the time for intervention is already past.

>

> As we all know, the world at this time appears to be on a

> dangerous

> precipice and, in light of the upcoming yagya (involving 1500

> Brahmin

> Priests) dedicated to a shift in humanity and the world, it

> might be

> interesting to look at the charts of some of the most powerful

> and/or

> troublesome/troubled nations to see what karma may be

> manifesting at that

> time. An opportunity perhaps to judge what effect, if any,

> this yagya might

> have on world affairs.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> jyotish-vidya

> ___

>

>

>

>

 

 

Regards,

Krishna

http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com

 

 

 

 

 

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Absolutely Right. In fact this was the point which few members

including myself were having discussions over, in a Forum

since last two days. The right time of Birth and the right

ayanamsha have to play an important role in the analysis of

any chart. This is what happens when the Pandit says that

the match is very good between a boy and girl and they

get happily married only to find their life torturous living

with each other just after 6 months when the initial euphoria

of knowing each other well on the physical plane is over.

After that there is nothing left to know, but only the negative

qualities of each other. I do not blame the pundits fully,

maybe their lack of knowledge in rectification is less,

maybe they are not paid enough to do this hard work even

if they have the knowledge, this is one of the reasons I

am wary ,skeptical and scared when any query for matchmaking

comes, because if I do the job honestly then it means one

full day has to be devoted in this only, keeping other

enquiries aside.,at bay.

Also it is difficult to pinpoint the dates of incidents occuring

if the TOB and ayanamsha used is wrong. Same

with effects/results too if one goes by study of Constellations

in which the planets are placed.

The unlucky ones do not have resource to astrologers, or good

astrologers, unless the missile has already done the damage,

after which life takes a normal course as per law of nature,

and astrologer is not needed exactly.

The little morelucky ones may reach the astrologers for proper

advice before the missile is fired, but they would be interested

only in knowing the creamy layers of their charts (Materialistic

inputs)and would not care much for the indications given by the

astrologer for taking remedial measures to avoid a unpleasant

happening in future.

The most lucky ones, which are few, would reach the astrologer

right in time before the missile is fired, would listen to all what

the astrologer has to say, will also do the remedies which the

astrologer has suggested and would be able to reduce the

impact or density of the problem occuring in their lives.

 

Yagnas are very good for creating positives in ones life and around

it.Of course as You said, the Muhurtha or time done has to be

perfect, the Karma Kanda Pandit doing this has to be perfect,

the Mantras have to be recited properly,the rules of sanctity

have to be mantained by the person hosting the Yagna plus

so many other things.

I know a old person who is a householder and who told me once

that he had been to attend one Yagna many years back, and when the

ahuti was done in the fire, he personally saw with his eyes the Agni

Devata along with the four others present there emerging in the

fire (Like Old vedic times) and taking in what was offered.

This of course is a rare occurence. Though I am brought up

in a modern way, in city like Bombay, and educated in Roman

Catholic school and been witness to all modern pleasures available

to any person with normal money in pockets, therefore not

orthodox in the remotest way, yet believed this person.

because he was a simple religious man just relaying his experiences

and a cousin of my mothers while we were discussing over spiritual

things in a train journey. Also at age of 24 I had seen

with my own eyes alongwith 200 other people in Bikaner(Rajasthan)

a immortal Devata entering a human body and the manifestation

was there for about one hour (10 minutes suspended in Air

7 feet above the ground with no support) so I had no reason not

to believe this. Anything is possible in this world.

What we call as miracles are ordinary play for the Gods,

and in ancient times was day to day affairs for the common

people to witness.Here we only search for logic and scientific

base thats why its hard for us to believe so many things.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

>

> I recently read a discourse regarding fate and free-will... See

here

>

http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~krsna/AdvaitaVedanta/articles/The_Riddle_of_Fa

te_and_Free.htm

>

> One particular statement that caught my attention was this;

>

> "before the conflict begins, the problem is incapable of solution;

and,

> after the conflict ends, it is no longer necessary to find a

solution."

>

> It reminded me of the (absolute) importance of timing in jyotish

(right

> T.O.B. and right ayanamsha) in order to know precisely when a

particular

> karmic pattern is about to emerge as our experience. We know, that

for a

> yagya (sacrifice) to be effective, it must be done at the time a

particular

> event is about to manifest. Once manifested, a yagya has less, or

little

> effect and, of course, once the (particular) karmic event has been

fully set

> in motion...the missile has been fired, the spouse has fled (or

whatever)

> the time for intervention is already past.

>

> As we all know, the world at this time appears to be on a dangerous

> precipice and, in light of the upcoming yagya (involving 1500

Brahmin

> Priests) dedicated to a shift in humanity and the world, it might

be

> interesting to look at the charts of some of the most powerful

and/or

> troublesome/troubled nations to see what karma may be manifesting

at that

> time. An opportunity perhaps to judge what effect, if any, this

yagya might

> have on world affairs.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> jyotish-vidya

> ___

>

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Dear Krishna and All,

 

As our thunderstorm seems to have passed over (for now) I'll take the chance

of a quick comment on fate and free-will if I may. Others might disagree of

course but my thoughts are that we all have certain tendencies that we have

to strive to overcome. Some may have a tendency towards dishonesty, some

towards anger and foul language, some towards revenge; others may indulge in

spreading scandal and lies...whatever. All these, if not checked, can become

habitual.

 

However, if we listen to our conscience, we can exercise our free will and

resist the temptation when it arises. A universal Christian prayer, the 'Our

Father' has a line that says; "Lead us not into temptation but deliver us

from evil". We're all tempted to go against our conscience at some time or

another...whether we give into these temptations or not is (largely) a

matter of choice.

 

What HAPPENS in our lives as a result of past karmas is really beyond our

control...we have no choice in the matter i.e., our business may fail,

health may fail, our status may change. Children are born, parents are lost,

friendships are made and broken; we succeed or fail in our endeavours, some

might even be accused and sent to jail, some will have to fight on the

battlefield of war, some are kings, some are paupers. All these things are

fate...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

-

"Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998 >

<jyotish-vidya>

Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:06 PM

Re: Fate and Free-Will

 

 

Dear Wendy,

 

Thanks for the link. I really enjoyed it. This is one of the

things that was bothering me. I did raise a question on this

topic in this forum some time back. This discourse has really

given me the answers.

 

Thanks,

Krishna

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Well said dear Wendy.

 

As some things are bound to happen whether we like it or not,

what we need to concentrate on is given a situation what could

we do to make the things a little better for people around us.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

 

> Dear Krishna and All,

>

> As our thunderstorm seems to have passed over (for now) I'll

> take the chance

> of a quick comment on fate and free-will if I may. Others

> might disagree of

> course but my thoughts are that we all have certain tendencies

> that we have

> to strive to overcome. Some may have a tendency towards

> dishonesty, some

> towards anger and foul language, some towards revenge; others

> may indulge in

> spreading scandal and lies...whatever. All these, if not

> checked, can become

> habitual.

>

> However, if we listen to our conscience, we can exercise our

> free will and

> resist the temptation when it arises. A universal Christian

> prayer, the 'Our

> Father' has a line that says; "Lead us not into temptation but

> deliver us

> from evil". We're all tempted to go against our conscience at

> some time or

> another...whether we give into these temptations or not is

> (largely) a

> matter of choice.

>

> What HAPPENS in our lives as a result of past karmas is really

> beyond our

> control...we have no choice in the matter i.e., our business

> may fail,

> health may fail, our status may change. Children are born,

> parents are lost,

> friendships are made and broken; we succeed or fail in our

> endeavours, some

> might even be accused and sent to jail, some will have to

> fight on the

> battlefield of war, some are kings, some are paupers. All

> these things are

> fate...

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> jyotish-vidya

> ___

>

>

> -

> "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998 >

> <jyotish-vidya>

> Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:06 PM

> Re: Fate and Free-Will

>

>

> Dear Wendy,

>

> Thanks for the link. I really enjoyed it. This is one of the

> things that was bothering me. I did raise a question on this

> topic in this forum some time back. This discourse has really

> given me the answers.

>

> Thanks,

> Krishna

>

>

>

 

 

Regards,

Krishna

http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com

 

 

 

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{Om Namo Narayanaya}

Dear Wendy ji Krishna ji and all,

 

Namaskar.

This is what I like about thunderstroms, we get to see the rainbow,

and the earth awash in its pristine Glory, all glowing and iridescent-

so very pure and light-(the optical)- we can see things in the right

perspective- opening doors to knowledge and more knowledge!!!

 

Regards

Nalini

 

jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Well said dear Wendy.

>

> As some things are bound to happen whether we like it or not,

> what we need to concentrate on is given a situation what could

> we do to make the things a little better for people around us.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote:

>

> > Dear Krishna and All,

> >

> > As our thunderstorm seems to have passed over (for now) I'll

> > take the chance

> > of a quick comment on fate and free-will if I may. Others

> > might disagree of

> > course but my thoughts are that we all have certain tendencies

> > that we have

> > to strive to overcome. Some may have a tendency towards

> > dishonesty, some

> > towards anger and foul language, some towards revenge; others

> > may indulge in

> > spreading scandal and lies...whatever. All these, if not

> > checked, can become

> > habitual.

> >

> > However, if we listen to our conscience, we can exercise our

> > free will and

> > resist the temptation when it arises. A universal Christian

> > prayer, the 'Our

> > Father' has a line that says; "Lead us not into temptation but

> > deliver us

> > from evil". We're all tempted to go against our conscience at

> > some time or

> > another...whether we give into these temptations or not is

> > (largely) a

> > matter of choice.

> >

> > What HAPPENS in our lives as a result of past karmas is really

> > beyond our

> > control...we have no choice in the matter i.e., our business

> > may fail,

> > health may fail, our status may change. Children are born,

> > parents are lost,

> > friendships are made and broken; we succeed or fail in our

> > endeavours, some

> > might even be accused and sent to jail, some will have to

> > fight on the

> > battlefield of war, some are kings, some are paupers. All

> > these things are

> > fate...

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > jyotish-vidya

> > ___

> >

> >

> > -

> > "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998

> > <jyotish-vidya>

> > Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:06 PM

> > Re: Fate and Free-Will

> >

> >

> > Dear Wendy,

> >

> > Thanks for the link. I really enjoyed it. This is one of the

> > things that was bothering me. I did raise a question on this

> > topic in this forum some time back. This discourse has really

> > given me the answers.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

> http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com

>

>

>

>

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