Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 Dear Members, I recently read a discourse regarding fate and free-will... See here http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~krsna/AdvaitaVedanta/articles/The_Riddle_of_Fate_and_Free.htm One particular statement that caught my attention was this; "before the conflict begins, the problem is incapable of solution; and, after the conflict ends, it is no longer necessary to find a solution." It reminded me of the (absolute) importance of timing in jyotish (right T.O.B. and right ayanamsha) in order to know precisely when a particular karmic pattern is about to emerge as our experience. We know, that for a yagya (sacrifice) to be effective, it must be done at the time a particular event is about to manifest. Once manifested, a yagya has less, or little effect and, of course, once the (particular) karmic event has been fully set in motion...the missile has been fired, the spouse has fled (or whatever) the time for intervention is already past. As we all know, the world at this time appears to be on a dangerous precipice and, in light of the upcoming yagya (involving 1500 Brahmin Priests) dedicated to a shift in humanity and the world, it might be interesting to look at the charts of some of the most powerful and/or troublesome/troubled nations to see what karma may be manifesting at that time. An opportunity perhaps to judge what effect, if any, this yagya might have on world affairs. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 Dear Wendy, Thanks for the link. I really enjoyed it. This is one of the things that was bothering me. I did raise a question on this topic in this forum some time back. This discourse has really given me the answers. Thanks, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: > Dear Members, > > I recently read a discourse regarding fate and free-will... > See here > http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~krsna/AdvaitaVedanta/articles/The_Riddle_of_Fate_and_Free.htm > > One particular statement that caught my attention was this; > > "before the conflict begins, the problem is incapable of > solution; and, > after the conflict ends, it is no longer necessary to find a > solution." > > It reminded me of the (absolute) importance of timing in > jyotish (right > T.O.B. and right ayanamsha) in order to know precisely when a > particular > karmic pattern is about to emerge as our experience. We know, > that for a > yagya (sacrifice) to be effective, it must be done at the time > a particular > event is about to manifest. Once manifested, a yagya has less, > or little > effect and, of course, once the (particular) karmic event has > been fully set > in motion...the missile has been fired, the spouse has fled > (or whatever) > the time for intervention is already past. > > As we all know, the world at this time appears to be on a > dangerous > precipice and, in light of the upcoming yagya (involving 1500 > Brahmin > Priests) dedicated to a shift in humanity and the world, it > might be > interesting to look at the charts of some of the most powerful > and/or > troublesome/troubled nations to see what karma may be > manifesting at that > time. An opportunity perhaps to judge what effect, if any, > this yagya might > have on world affairs. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > > Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 Absolutely Right. In fact this was the point which few members including myself were having discussions over, in a Forum since last two days. The right time of Birth and the right ayanamsha have to play an important role in the analysis of any chart. This is what happens when the Pandit says that the match is very good between a boy and girl and they get happily married only to find their life torturous living with each other just after 6 months when the initial euphoria of knowing each other well on the physical plane is over. After that there is nothing left to know, but only the negative qualities of each other. I do not blame the pundits fully, maybe their lack of knowledge in rectification is less, maybe they are not paid enough to do this hard work even if they have the knowledge, this is one of the reasons I am wary ,skeptical and scared when any query for matchmaking comes, because if I do the job honestly then it means one full day has to be devoted in this only, keeping other enquiries aside.,at bay. Also it is difficult to pinpoint the dates of incidents occuring if the TOB and ayanamsha used is wrong. Same with effects/results too if one goes by study of Constellations in which the planets are placed. The unlucky ones do not have resource to astrologers, or good astrologers, unless the missile has already done the damage, after which life takes a normal course as per law of nature, and astrologer is not needed exactly. The little morelucky ones may reach the astrologers for proper advice before the missile is fired, but they would be interested only in knowing the creamy layers of their charts (Materialistic inputs)and would not care much for the indications given by the astrologer for taking remedial measures to avoid a unpleasant happening in future. The most lucky ones, which are few, would reach the astrologer right in time before the missile is fired, would listen to all what the astrologer has to say, will also do the remedies which the astrologer has suggested and would be able to reduce the impact or density of the problem occuring in their lives. Yagnas are very good for creating positives in ones life and around it.Of course as You said, the Muhurtha or time done has to be perfect, the Karma Kanda Pandit doing this has to be perfect, the Mantras have to be recited properly,the rules of sanctity have to be mantained by the person hosting the Yagna plus so many other things. I know a old person who is a householder and who told me once that he had been to attend one Yagna many years back, and when the ahuti was done in the fire, he personally saw with his eyes the Agni Devata along with the four others present there emerging in the fire (Like Old vedic times) and taking in what was offered. This of course is a rare occurence. Though I am brought up in a modern way, in city like Bombay, and educated in Roman Catholic school and been witness to all modern pleasures available to any person with normal money in pockets, therefore not orthodox in the remotest way, yet believed this person. because he was a simple religious man just relaying his experiences and a cousin of my mothers while we were discussing over spiritual things in a train journey. Also at age of 24 I had seen with my own eyes alongwith 200 other people in Bikaner(Rajasthan) a immortal Devata entering a human body and the manifestation was there for about one hour (10 minutes suspended in Air 7 feet above the ground with no support) so I had no reason not to believe this. Anything is possible in this world. What we call as miracles are ordinary play for the Gods, and in ancient times was day to day affairs for the common people to witness.Here we only search for logic and scientific base thats why its hard for us to believe so many things. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Members, > > I recently read a discourse regarding fate and free-will... See here > http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~krsna/AdvaitaVedanta/articles/The_Riddle_of_Fa te_and_Free.htm > > One particular statement that caught my attention was this; > > "before the conflict begins, the problem is incapable of solution; and, > after the conflict ends, it is no longer necessary to find a solution." > > It reminded me of the (absolute) importance of timing in jyotish (right > T.O.B. and right ayanamsha) in order to know precisely when a particular > karmic pattern is about to emerge as our experience. We know, that for a > yagya (sacrifice) to be effective, it must be done at the time a particular > event is about to manifest. Once manifested, a yagya has less, or little > effect and, of course, once the (particular) karmic event has been fully set > in motion...the missile has been fired, the spouse has fled (or whatever) > the time for intervention is already past. > > As we all know, the world at this time appears to be on a dangerous > precipice and, in light of the upcoming yagya (involving 1500 Brahmin > Priests) dedicated to a shift in humanity and the world, it might be > interesting to look at the charts of some of the most powerful and/or > troublesome/troubled nations to see what karma may be manifesting at that > time. An opportunity perhaps to judge what effect, if any, this yagya might > have on world affairs. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 Dear Krishna and All, As our thunderstorm seems to have passed over (for now) I'll take the chance of a quick comment on fate and free-will if I may. Others might disagree of course but my thoughts are that we all have certain tendencies that we have to strive to overcome. Some may have a tendency towards dishonesty, some towards anger and foul language, some towards revenge; others may indulge in spreading scandal and lies...whatever. All these, if not checked, can become habitual. However, if we listen to our conscience, we can exercise our free will and resist the temptation when it arises. A universal Christian prayer, the 'Our Father' has a line that says; "Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil". We're all tempted to go against our conscience at some time or another...whether we give into these temptations or not is (largely) a matter of choice. What HAPPENS in our lives as a result of past karmas is really beyond our control...we have no choice in the matter i.e., our business may fail, health may fail, our status may change. Children are born, parents are lost, friendships are made and broken; we succeed or fail in our endeavours, some might even be accused and sent to jail, some will have to fight on the battlefield of war, some are kings, some are paupers. All these things are fate... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998 > <jyotish-vidya> Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:06 PM Re: Fate and Free-Will Dear Wendy, Thanks for the link. I really enjoyed it. This is one of the things that was bothering me. I did raise a question on this topic in this forum some time back. This discourse has really given me the answers. Thanks, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Well said dear Wendy. As some things are bound to happen whether we like it or not, what we need to concentrate on is given a situation what could we do to make the things a little better for people around us. Regards, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: > Dear Krishna and All, > > As our thunderstorm seems to have passed over (for now) I'll > take the chance > of a quick comment on fate and free-will if I may. Others > might disagree of > course but my thoughts are that we all have certain tendencies > that we have > to strive to overcome. Some may have a tendency towards > dishonesty, some > towards anger and foul language, some towards revenge; others > may indulge in > spreading scandal and lies...whatever. All these, if not > checked, can become > habitual. > > However, if we listen to our conscience, we can exercise our > free will and > resist the temptation when it arises. A universal Christian > prayer, the 'Our > Father' has a line that says; "Lead us not into temptation but > deliver us > from evil". We're all tempted to go against our conscience at > some time or > another...whether we give into these temptations or not is > (largely) a > matter of choice. > > What HAPPENS in our lives as a result of past karmas is really > beyond our > control...we have no choice in the matter i.e., our business > may fail, > health may fail, our status may change. Children are born, > parents are lost, > friendships are made and broken; we succeed or fail in our > endeavours, some > might even be accused and sent to jail, some will have to > fight on the > battlefield of war, some are kings, some are paupers. All > these things are > fate... > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998 > > <jyotish-vidya> > Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:06 PM > Re: Fate and Free-Will > > > Dear Wendy, > > Thanks for the link. I really enjoyed it. This is one of the > things that was bothering me. I did raise a question on this > topic in this forum some time back. This discourse has really > given me the answers. > > Thanks, > Krishna > > > Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com ______ Check out the New Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. (http://advision.webevents./mailbeta) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 {Om Namo Narayanaya} Dear Wendy ji Krishna ji and all, Namaskar. This is what I like about thunderstroms, we get to see the rainbow, and the earth awash in its pristine Glory, all glowing and iridescent- so very pure and light-(the optical)- we can see things in the right perspective- opening doors to knowledge and more knowledge!!! Regards Nalini jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Well said dear Wendy. > > As some things are bound to happen whether we like it or not, > what we need to concentrate on is given a situation what could > we do to make the things a little better for people around us. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Krishna and All, > > > > As our thunderstorm seems to have passed over (for now) I'll > > take the chance > > of a quick comment on fate and free-will if I may. Others > > might disagree of > > course but my thoughts are that we all have certain tendencies > > that we have > > to strive to overcome. Some may have a tendency towards > > dishonesty, some > > towards anger and foul language, some towards revenge; others > > may indulge in > > spreading scandal and lies...whatever. All these, if not > > checked, can become > > habitual. > > > > However, if we listen to our conscience, we can exercise our > > free will and > > resist the temptation when it arises. A universal Christian > > prayer, the 'Our > > Father' has a line that says; "Lead us not into temptation but > > deliver us > > from evil". We're all tempted to go against our conscience at > > some time or > > another...whether we give into these temptations or not is > > (largely) a > > matter of choice. > > > > What HAPPENS in our lives as a result of past karmas is really > > beyond our > > control...we have no choice in the matter i.e., our business > > may fail, > > health may fail, our status may change. Children are born, > > parents are lost, > > friendships are made and broken; we succeed or fail in our > > endeavours, some > > might even be accused and sent to jail, some will have to > > fight on the > > battlefield of war, some are kings, some are paupers. All > > these things are > > fate... > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > jyotish-vidya > > ___ > > > > > > - > > "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998 > > <jyotish-vidya> > > Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:06 PM > > Re: Fate and Free-Will > > > > > > Dear Wendy, > > > > Thanks for the link. I really enjoyed it. This is one of the > > things that was bothering me. I did raise a question on this > > topic in this forum some time back. This discourse has really > > given me the answers. > > > > Thanks, > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > Regards, > Krishna > http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com > > > > ____________________ ____________________ > Check out the New Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. > (http://advision.webevents./mailbeta) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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