Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Dear Wendy, Greetings. Its my second post on your group. Let me introduce myself as a keen astrology student. I have got your birthdata from Group Database. As mentioned by you, your JU main dasa has been the best period. However, Ju is in close conjunction to Rahu. Its also debilitated in Navamsa.Also, its the evil 12 and 3rd lord for Capricorn Asc. Has Ju's exaltaion undermined the above negative points ? Kindly give your view. Nice to join your group. Best regards, Rajat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 Dear Rajat, //However, Ju is in close conjunction to Rahu. Both exalted Jupiter and Rahu occupy nakshatra of exalted 9th lord Mercury. Kalidasa (Uttara Kalamrita) states; "the nodes, in spite of their malefic nature, become benefics by virtue of their position in certain houses or association with certain planets." Indeed Rahu pratyantar (in Saturn dasa) heralded the beginning of my studies in Jyotish...he is conjunct exalted Jupiter and sits in nakshatra of exalted 9th lord. //Its also debilitated in Navamsa.// Indeed Jupiter is debilitated in Capricorn navamsha, however dispositor (Saturn) occupies sign of exaltation in this chart. //Also, its the evil 12 and 3rd lord for Capricorn Asc.// (again) Kalidasa states: Here a doubt may arise whether Jupiter in his sign of exaltation can be capable of giving good results because in such a position with Capricorn as the ascendant, he will be lord of two bad houses, the 3rd and the 12th houses. This doubt has been cleared by Kalidasa's Uttara Kalamrita in the following sloka:- (Extract-from sloka 9-Khand IV) This means that Jupiter when he owns the 3rd and 12th houses in a nativity will be productive of good to the person concerned. My own (personal) experience has shown this to be true. Jupiter/Rahu period led me to my Guru (and initiation-3rd house), opened my eyes and heart to the Vedas and brought great prosperity in foreign land (12th house). Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "vedvigyan" <bentleyclothing > <jyotish-vidya> Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:33 AM Ms Wendy's Chart and Jupiter Dasa Dear Wendy, Greetings. Its my second post on your group. Let me introduce myself as a keen astrology student. I have got your birthdata from Group Database. As mentioned by you, your JU main dasa has been the best period. However, Ju is in close conjunction to Rahu. Its also debilitated in Navamsa.Also, its the evil 12 and 3rd lord for Capricorn Asc. Has Ju's exaltaion undermined the above negative points ? Kindly give your view. Nice to join your group. Best regards, Rajat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 Dear Mrs Wendy, Thanks a lot for the reply. I am really wondering that with so many exceptions to the general Parashara Rules, how could any of the astrologer memorize or keep these in mind while reading someone's else's chart ?Kindly give your opinion. Also, kindly advise about my query about employing House systems, Nakshatra etc in my other mails.Would be be thankful. with best regards, Rajat jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Rajat, > > //However, Ju is in close conjunction to Rahu. > > Both exalted Jupiter and Rahu occupy nakshatra of exalted 9th lord Mercury. > Kalidasa (Uttara Kalamrita) states; "the nodes, in spite of their malefic > nature, become benefics by virtue of their position in certain houses or > association with certain planets." > Indeed Rahu pratyantar (in Saturn dasa) heralded the beginning of my studies > in Jyotish...he is conjunct exalted Jupiter and sits in nakshatra of exalted > 9th lord. > > //Its also debilitated in Navamsa.// > > Indeed Jupiter is debilitated in Capricorn navamsha, however dispositor > (Saturn) occupies sign of exaltation in this chart. > > //Also, its the evil 12 and 3rd lord for Capricorn Asc.// > > (again) Kalidasa states: > Here a doubt may arise whether Jupiter in his sign of exaltation can be > capable of giving good results because in such a position with Capricorn as > the ascendant, he will be lord of two bad houses, the 3rd and the 12th > houses. This doubt has been cleared by Kalidasa's Uttara Kalamrita in the > following sloka:- (Extract-from sloka 9-Khand IV) This means that Jupiter > when he owns the 3rd and 12th houses in a nativity will be productive of > good to the person concerned. > > My own (personal) experience has shown this to be true. Jupiter/Rahu period > led me to my Guru (and initiation-3rd house), opened my eyes and heart to > the Vedas and brought great prosperity in foreign land (12th house). > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > "vedvigyan" <bentleyclothing > <jyotish-vidya> > Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:33 AM > Ms Wendy's Chart and Jupiter Dasa > > > > Dear Wendy, > > Greetings. Its my second post on your group. > > Let me introduce myself as a keen astrology student. > > I have got your birthdata from Group Database. > > As mentioned by you, your JU main dasa has been the best period. > > However, Ju is in close conjunction to Rahu. Its also debilitated in > Navamsa.Also, its the evil 12 and 3rd lord for Capricorn Asc. > > Has Ju's exaltaion undermined the above negative points ? > > Kindly give your view. > > Nice to join your group. > > Best regards, > > Rajat > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 Dear Rajat, ///I am really wondering that with so many exceptions to the general Parashara Rules/// What exceptions? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "vedvigyan" <bentleyclothing > <jyotish-vidya> Saturday, October 28, 2006 8:20 PM Re: Ms Wendy's Chart and Jupiter Dasa Dear Mrs Wendy, Thanks a lot for the reply. I am really wondering that with so many exceptions to the general Parashara Rules, how could any of the astrologer memorize or keep these in mind while reading someone's else's chart ?Kindly give your opinion. Also, kindly advise about my query about employing House systems, Nakshatra etc in my other mails.Would be be thankful. with best regards, Rajat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Dear Rajat, ///I am really wondering that with so many exceptions to the general Parashara Rules/// What exceptions? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "vedvigyan" <bentleyclothing > <jyotish-vidya> Saturday, October 28, 2006 8:20 PM Re: Ms Wendy's Chart and Jupiter Dasa Dear Mrs Wendy, Thanks a lot for the reply. I am really wondering that with so many exceptions to the general Parashara Rules, how could any of the astrologer memorize or keep these in mind while reading someone's else's chart ?Kindly give your opinion. Also, kindly advise about my query about employing House systems, Nakshatra etc in my other mails.Would be be thankful. with best regards, Rajat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Dear Mrs Wendy, The exception is about Jupiter doing good in its dasa despite being evil 12th and 3rd lord for Capricorn Asc (as per Uttara Kalamrita).There are several other classics like Bhavarth Ratnakar that overrule the standard norms of horoscope judgement.For example, it says that Saturn despite being Yogakarak for Taurus Asc doesnt do much good in its dasa? Thus their are so many riders for every dictum and unless the same are memorized wouldn't it be difficult for an astrologer to do justice to a horoscope ? Of course, with more and more experience and having gone into the depths of many horoscopes, an astrologer can do better. However, a student who has not read and memorized so many jyotish classics, it is an impossible task. Despite all these difficulties, Jyotish is most fascinating. Best regards, Rajat jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Rajat, > > ///I am really wondering that with so many exceptions to the general > Parashara Rules/// > > What exceptions? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > "vedvigyan" <bentleyclothing > <jyotish-vidya> > Saturday, October 28, 2006 8:20 PM > Re: Ms Wendy's Chart and Jupiter Dasa > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, > > Thanks a lot for the reply. > > I am really wondering that with so many exceptions to the general > Parashara Rules, how could any of the astrologer memorize or keep > these in mind while reading someone's else's chart ?Kindly give your > opinion. > > Also, kindly advise about my query about employing House systems, > Nakshatra etc in my other mails.Would be be thankful. > > with best regards, > > Rajat > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 "For example, it says that Saturn despite being Yogakarak for Taurus Asc doesnt do much good in its dasa?" Is there any explanation of this 'exception'? Maybe bcs Sa is at the same time a badhakesh for Taurus Lagna? But that should apply to all fixed lagnas and their YK planets? Please share more info if there is any. Regards, A, vedvigyan <bentleyclothing > wrote: Dear Mrs Wendy, The exception is about Jupiter doing good in its dasa despite being evil 12th and 3rd lord for Capricorn Asc (as per Uttara Kalamrita).There are several other classics like Bhavarth Ratnakar that overrule the standard norms of horoscope judgement.For example, it says that Saturn despite being Yogakarak for Taurus Asc doesnt do much good in its dasa? Thus their are so many riders for every dictum and unless the same are memorized wouldn't it be difficult for an astrologer to do justice to a horoscope ? Of course, with more and more experience and having gone into the depths of many horoscopes, an astrologer can do better. However, a student who has not read and memorized so many jyotish classics, it is an impossible task. Despite all these difficulties, Jyotish is most fascinating. Best regards, Rajat jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Rajat, > > ///I am really wondering that with so many exceptions to the general > Parashara Rules/// > > What exceptions? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > "vedvigyan" <bentleyclothing > <jyotish-vidya> > Saturday, October 28, 2006 8:20 PM > Re: Ms Wendy's Chart and Jupiter Dasa > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, > > Thanks a lot for the reply. > > I am really wondering that with so many exceptions to the general > Parashara Rules, how could any of the astrologer memorize or keep > these in mind while reading someone's else's chart ?Kindly give your > opinion. > > Also, kindly advise about my query about employing House systems, > Nakshatra etc in my other mails.Would be be thankful. > > with best regards, > > Rajat > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Dear Rajat, Let me try to answer your concerns (which I do understand). As you know, there are different predictive techniques given by the sages...the most obvious is the different methods employed by parashara and Jaimini. These I hope are becoming clearer and we're more able to distinguish between them...not mix them together! However, the dictums given in BPHS (often very brief) are expanded upon by other sages. Parashara himself states that we need to exercise our own discrimination (common-sense) when interpreting the slokas. //Thus their are so many riders for every dictum and unless the same are memorized wouldn't it be difficult for an astrologer to do justice to a horoscope ?// Memorising without discrimination is like looking at a chart with our eyes closed. Here's an example of Jupiter debilitated in Capricorn lagna; 11 Oct 1938 (13:32), Melbourne, Australia. For this native the current Jupiter dasa has brought great difficulties and unhappiness. Parashara himself tells us in BPHS Ch.47 **45-48. If Guru is in his exaltation, his own Rashi, his Multrikon, in Karm, Putr, or Dharm Bhava, in his own Navans, or in his exalted Navans, there will be during his Dasha: acquisition of kingdom, great felicity, recognition by Government, acquisition of conveyances and clothes, devotion to deities and Brahmins, happiness in respect of his wife and children and success in the performance of religious sacrifices (oblations). 49-51. If Guru is in his debilitation Rashi, combust, associated with malefics, or in Ari, or Randhr, there will be during his Dasha loss of residential premises, anxiety, distress to children, loss of cattle and pilgrimage. The Dasha will give some unfavourable effects at its commencement only. During the later part of the Dasha there will be good effects, like gain of wealth, awards from and recognition by Government.** For each horoscope, Jupiter (or any planet) has to be judged on its own merits...this is made clear by Parashara himself. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "vedvigyan" <bentleyclothing > <jyotish-vidya> Monday, October 30, 2006 1:39 AM Re: Ms Wendy's Chart and Jupiter Dasa Dear Mrs Wendy, The exception is about Jupiter doing good in its dasa despite being evil 12th and 3rd lord for Capricorn Asc (as per Uttara Kalamrita).There are several other classics like Bhavarth Ratnakar that overrule the standard norms of horoscope judgement.For example, it says that Saturn despite being Yogakarak for Taurus Asc doesnt do much good in its dasa? Thus their are so many riders for every dictum and unless the same are memorized wouldn't it be difficult for an astrologer to do justice to a horoscope ? Of course, with more and more experience and having gone into the depths of many horoscopes, an astrologer can do better. However, a student who has not read and memorized so many jyotish classics, it is an impossible task. Despite all these difficulties, Jyotish is most fascinating. Best regards, Rajat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Dear Anna and Rajat, We need also to consider the natural significations of the planets. Jupiter is the planet of expansion...expansion of happiness is his prime objective. Divine providence (good luck and good fortune) is his basic nature and when possessed with strength he can bring great happiness/success via the significations of the houses he rules. Saturn, on the other hand, signifies delays, setbacks, hard work, perseverance, penance and so forth...this is HIS nature! So, even though he's YogaKaraka, great success (10th for instance) is accomplished through hard work. What Saturn promises comes slowly after much effort and perseverance. Such natives generally sacrifice a great deal for the sake of success. I'd be interested to hear the views of other learned members on this :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "A.R." <bonamente108 > <jyotish-vidya> Monday, October 30, 2006 7:31 AM Re: Re: Ms Wendy's Chart and Jupiter Dasa "For example, it says that Saturn despite being Yogakarak for Taurus Asc doesnt do much good in its dasa?" Is there any explanation of this 'exception'? Maybe bcs Sa is at the same time a badhakesh for Taurus Lagna? But that should apply to all fixed lagnas and their YK planets? Please share more info if there is any. Regards, A, vedvigyan <bentleyclothing > wrote: Dear Mrs Wendy, The exception is about Jupiter doing good in its dasa despite being evil 12th and 3rd lord for Capricorn Asc (as per Uttara Kalamrita).There are several other classics like Bhavarth Ratnakar that overrule the standard norms of horoscope judgement.For example, it says that Saturn despite being Yogakarak for Taurus Asc doesnt do much good in its dasa? Thus their are so many riders for every dictum and unless the same are memorized wouldn't it be difficult for an astrologer to do justice to a horoscope ? Of course, with more and more experience and having gone into the depths of many horoscopes, an astrologer can do better. However, a student who has not read and memorized so many jyotish classics, it is an impossible task. Despite all these difficulties, Jyotish is most fascinating. Best regards, Rajat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Dear Wendy, Rajat I've read somewhere /re natural significations of planets/ 'bad day fishing is better than good day working'- Sa is Sa is Sa.. I've seen the last part of Saturn MD or AD to be the most malefic. But, besides that, I am wondering if its badhakesh role /Ta/ contributes as well? Assuming that as YK will diminish its natural heaviness and bestow some good.. Regards, Anna Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: Dear Anna and Rajat, We need also to consider the natural significations of the planets. Jupiter is the planet of expansion...expansion of happiness is his prime objective. Divine providence (good luck and good fortune) is his basic nature and when possessed with strength he can bring great happiness/success via the significations of the houses he rules. Saturn, on the other hand, signifies delays, setbacks, hard work, perseverance, penance and so forth...this is HIS nature! So, even though he's YogaKaraka, great success (10th for instance) is accomplished through hard work. What Saturn promises comes slowly after much effort and perseverance. Such natives generally sacrifice a great deal for the sake of success. I'd be interested to hear the views of other learned members on this :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "A.R." <bonamente108 > <jyotish-vidya> Monday, October 30, 2006 7:31 AM Re: Re: Ms Wendy's Chart and Jupiter Dasa "For example, it says that Saturn despite being Yogakarak for Taurus Asc doesnt do much good in its dasa?" Is there any explanation of this 'exception'? Maybe bcs Sa is at the same time a badhakesh for Taurus Lagna? But that should apply to all fixed lagnas and their YK planets? Please share more info if there is any. Regards, A, vedvigyan <bentleyclothing > wrote: Dear Mrs Wendy, The exception is about Jupiter doing good in its dasa despite being evil 12th and 3rd lord for Capricorn Asc (as per Uttara Kalamrita).There are several other classics like Bhavarth Ratnakar that overrule the standard norms of horoscope judgement.For example, it says that Saturn despite being Yogakarak for Taurus Asc doesnt do much good in its dasa? Thus their are so many riders for every dictum and unless the same are memorized wouldn't it be difficult for an astrologer to do justice to a horoscope ? Of course, with more and more experience and having gone into the depths of many horoscopes, an astrologer can do better. However, a student who has not read and memorized so many jyotish classics, it is an impossible task. Despite all these difficulties, Jyotish is most fascinating. Best regards, Rajat The best gets better. See why everyone is raving about the All-new Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Dear Anna, //I am wondering if its badhakesh role /Ta/ contributes as well?// In parashara's (vimsottari) dasa system the grahas/bhavas are assessed in a particular manner i.e; 1) Grahas become functional malefic or benefic according to the bhavas they rule. 2) Grahas aspect (not signs). 3) Bhavas are classified as good or bad. In the Jaimini dasa systems, signs aspect (not grahas) and signs are classified as good or bad, as per the badhakesh method for instance. Mixing the two systems leads to endless confusion...it's best to use either one or the other :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "A.R." <bonamente108 > <jyotish-vidya> Monday, October 30, 2006 10:39 AM Re: Re: Ms Wendy's Chart and Jupiter Dasa Dear Wendy, Rajat I've read somewhere /re natural significations of planets/ 'bad day fishing is better than good day working'- Sa is Sa is Sa.. I've seen the last part of Saturn MD or AD to be the most malefic. But, besides that, I am wondering if its badhakesh role /Ta/ contributes as well? Assuming that as YK will diminish its natural heaviness and bestow some good.. Regards, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Dear Wendy, Thanks for your advice. I can see the reason why you suggest either/or..- I still search for ultimate 'proof' though...I hope to find out what works, irrespectively. So far I haven't been able to determine clearly 'badhakesh' /co/existence in earlier mentioned cases, fixed lagnas in particular. For ex: My friend, Sc Lagna and Moon in lagna, currently in Moon MD struggles with cancer- Moon is 9th Lord + badhakesh- in this particular case /considering the extent of suffering/ introduction of badhakesh concept might be reasonably acceptable. On the other hand, the morbidity of this case could be explained by deb.Moon (in Lagna/body/, hemmed in btw Mars and saturn: papakartari yoga) only. I'd need more research obviously- so far, not a single case have I seen where badh.-concept works clearly. Regards, Anna Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: Dear Anna, //I am wondering if its badhakesh role /Ta/ contributes as well?// In parashara's (vimsottari) dasa system the grahas/bhavas are assessed in a particular manner i.e; 1) Grahas become functional malefic or benefic according to the bhavas they rule. 2) Grahas aspect (not signs). 3) Bhavas are classified as good or bad. In the Jaimini dasa systems, signs aspect (not grahas) and signs are classified as good or bad, as per the badhakesh method for instance. Mixing the two systems leads to endless confusion...it's best to use either one or the other :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "A.R." <bonamente108 > <jyotish-vidya> Monday, October 30, 2006 10:39 AM Re: Re: Ms Wendy's Chart and Jupiter Dasa Dear Wendy, Rajat I've read somewhere /re natural significations of planets/ 'bad day fishing is better than good day working'- Sa is Sa is Sa.. I've seen the last part of Saturn MD or AD to be the most malefic. But, besides that, I am wondering if its badhakesh role /Ta/ contributes as well? Assuming that as YK will diminish its natural heaviness and bestow some good.. Regards, Anna All new Mail Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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