How do planets affect us?

October 27, 2006

Dear Bhaskar,

That was simply superb. I can see whatever you have said has come

from your heart and from lot of experience that you have gained in

this field. I could learn many things from your mail. I am in

complete agreement with most of what you have said, except a couple

of things:

1. You said 'Foreget Science..."

Your statement implies that Astrology is not scientific. I don't

agree with it. Astrology is scientific as any other branch of scince,

probably the most advanced. Unfortunately, some of the layers of this

branch of science has been lot over centuries. As students of this

science it is our responsibility to find those missing pieces.

Just to give an example - We have learnt that Moon represents blood

and Mercury represents skin. This could be 100% true. However, the

missing piece here is that how did our great rishis establish this

relationship and on what basis? This layer of the science has been

lost.

2. Asking questions is not wrong

It is a great thing to believe in what our guru's tell us. However,

when doubts arise one should ask questions. That is how one can

asscimilate the knowledge in their own way. In fact, even many of our

ancient great texts have been written in question and answer form.

Question and answer form appear to be the essence of our ancient

gurukul system.

When we learn something by just by belief and not by understanding

the 'why' behind, such a knwoledge is incomplete. This is what has

happened over recent centuries in India. Whenever my elders follow a

custom/practice/ritual I ask them why they are doing it that way.

Unfortunately, the answer I get is that "I don't know, but my

mother/father used do like this". What they might be doing is

perfectly reasonable and based on a sound scientific principle. If

one does not understand the reasoning, the value is lost. It just

becomes a plain exercise like a body without the soul. This is not a

good way of passing on things to the next generation. Along with

belief, we need to understand the reasoing behind.

Hope I have not hurt your sentiments.

Thanks,

Krishna

-- In jyotish-vidya, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Shiv,

>

> If You believe in Chemotherapy.then believe in plantary rays.

> If You believe in Lithroscopy then "

> If You believe in Remote conttrol of TV then "

> If You believe in wireless transistor then "

> If You believe in Airconditioned remote control then "

> If You believe in Infrared rays then "

> If You believe that the tides in the seas is effected by the Moon

> which is again million of miles away,then "

> If You believe in the seasonal migration of the birds, etc.

> to different places every year on a particular season then "

> If You believe in the power of eclipse caused by Sun which is

> trillions of miles away and yet before eclipse shadow falls on

earth,

> all earthly animals,beasts and flying birds etc. cease to make any

> movement or noise, there is silence in nature , then "

> If You believe that few people sitting in their air conditioned

> cabins in the airport can monitor the movements of the aeroplanes

> in the sky,

> or few people sitting in the remote corners of the world can

monitor

> the movements of the satellites sent by us and space ships

> launched by us, then "

>

> I will talk about my city,Bombay. My transistor 30 years back

> when I was in school which is 25 kilometres away from the Radio

> station used to catch the Cricket commentary without any wires.

>

> The whole world is made of Cosmic rays, either in Vapour form,l

> iquid form or solid form.For example water.

> (Dont ask me to prove this, all the elevated spiritual beings like

> Swami Asaramji Bapu, Swami Ramsukhdasji, ParamHansa Yogananda have

> said this and I believe them, just like I believe when my mother

says

> call this man Papa,I dont ask for proof).

>

> The 9 Planets are the manifestations of the Supreme(You will find

> reference in the Bhagavad Gita, I can prove this, but spare me the

> trouble please, I will have to search for this shloka)eg.

> As per our individual Previous births Karmas we have to be born to

> bear the

> results of the rinabandhans created by these Karmas, in a

particular

> planetary configuration, where each will either bless us in

> certain departments of our life, or else punish us in others. Thats

> the explanation for some children being born lame or blind or

> without other physical faculties, without apparently no faults of

> theirs, or some with short life who die immediately after being

born,

> or others who live long. Then those who live long, again some have

> good wives/husbands, but maybe not good money, some may have good

> money but maybe not good health etc.etc. Why these irregularities

> apparently ? Is there all hocus pocus around ? No certainly not.

> Everything is actually really perfect. What do you think

> holds the planets in mid space revolving at the same speed and not

> falling down or not coming in each others path, or not slowing

down ?

> At such fast sppeds and vast dimensions of the planets, do we ever

> even feel that we are suspended and revolving in mid air ever ? The

> bedroom where we sit in our house, does it shake ever ? Never.

> Why because there is a supreme power , a supreme consciousness

> which hold everything in Universe in Order. Forget the science . As

> per science they attribute all this to Bing Bang theory . Even if

> there was a Big Bang ever and pieces of solids (Planets and other

> space entities )were hurled here and there, would they keep on

> hurlinag at the samespeed ever ? If You throw a ball in the air

does

> not it slow revolving or rotating after few minutes ? Or do you

call

> thisgravitational force. Whatever science does not have a answer

for,

> it will not accept as true. And they keep on changing the facts of

> their discoveries. the latest example is Pluto, first for last half

a

> century it was called a planet. Now no More. What faux paus ?

>

> Yet if you need a scientific base then -

> The Cosmos is full of Cosmicrays. In 1900 the famous scientist

> Dr.Hess of Holland proved that these come from the sky.

> And they affect everything living or non-living. All matter is

> vibrating and has its own vibrations.(Atoms,Electron,Neutron,Proton

> etc.)

> Wherever vibrations is produced ,Wavelength is there. The principle

> of Cosmic rays depends completely on Wavelengths.

> Cosmic rays are of 9 types -VIBGYOR and 2 more ,Infrared (IR) and

> Ultra Violet (UV). The colours are also attributed to the planets

> which I need not explain any of You.(Gems are the storehouse of

> Cosmic rays in concentrated form) These Cosmic rays when

> in state of imbalance create the irregularities which we see in

> apparently in everyones life.

>

> I can write many sheets and pages on above to prove further with

> names of American scientists and scientists from other countries

> too, but thats not the purport here.A little reading on

Radiesthesia

> will also give knowledge to a person about above.

>

> Thus when a child comes out of the womb, and hits the atmosphere,

all

> the invisible cosmic rays (either in excess or in dearth as per his

> indivdual karma have decided for him to place him here at the

> particular planetary configuration which matches his Karmas)hit

> him, his body then receives in the rays which affect the major part

> of his life for deciding to suffer or enjoy the results of his

dridha

> (Unalterable)Karmas, while also allowing him to act

> free and enjoy results in form of adridha karmas which are

temporary.

>

> You may also argue that the child has already come in the body nine

> months back, so for that too astrology has a answer in form of pre-

> natal epoch.

>

> What about science ? It will also answer all above in time to come

> when it discovers one by one the facts which have already been

> discovered and recorded by the Old and Ancestral Rishi Munis of

> Indias in the texts.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> jyotish-vidya, Azaad <theblisswithin@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> > talking about sceptics I have few questions of my own )

> >

> > I am sure they have been discussed millions of times before.

> >

> > How exactly do planets affect us. Does say Jupiter send out a

> ray/vibration/electromagnetic wave that enters our body and which

is

> different from Saturn and others.

> >

> > We know sun rays reach us after 8 minutes. Has anybody ever

> measured these rays/waves at all ( assuming they exist). Does

> science help here? There is a lot of speculation and pseudo

> scientific stuff that we can assume to justify our beliefs ( like

> rays and waves ) , but how exactly can a planet millions of

miles

> away affect us.

> >

> > Cheers

> > Shiv

> >

October 27, 2006

Dear Krishna,

Good that You raised those points.

1)

At times, we have to forget certain things to lay emphasis

on others. For example whenever I used to take my son to

the Doctor for taking injection for any malady,I used to

tell him forget the pain, forget the injection, forget the

needle,You just chant "Ram Ram" for few minutes loudly.

In the same way, at times we have to forget Science too,

not that we have to ignore it., or that importance is not there.

But just because Science has not put its signature on certain

known facts to us due to our cultures, so we should not

believe so n so, should not be there, IS ACTUALLY MY ARGUMENT.

I agree that Jyotish is the best, most revealing and peace

giving science in the world which brings in contentment to the

one practising it and also to the follower and makes both of

them a better person with superior quality of live progressively.

How the Ancient Rishis established these relationships ?

Through intuition and close communion with the Supreme all pervading

consciousness (GOD). Has anyone proved today how did all the Rashis

get the ownerships or why did the Vimsottari Dasha get the particular

number of years for each Planet and the Order ? Many things

are Known (are Accepted) and not to be known (not to be To be found,

cause they are unfounded because they have been known not through

the normal sources of prognostications). So here we cannot put in

the missing links. It will take us many life times and yet

would not be able to do so.

2)

What You say is very right.

But life is too short to find out the Why of many things.

I cannot find out with a normal 60 year life span how do

all things work, TV,Computer, Remote control, electricity coming to

my house, sanitation in my city, how the Government functions,

Mouse which I use most of the day, or CD Player etc. millions of

things which we are just using daily in our lives, just

that much as we are supposed to know how to use them and not

how they work. Morari Bapu I read once in his Ramayana

(I had read 22 years back and still remember this passage)

you want to eat Chana/Singdana of Rs. 1- go buy it and eat it.

Dont waste time on finding out where the farming of this

is done, what seeds are sown,what manure is put,

how much water is administered daily,

when they sprout and when they are harvested.

Asking questions is certainly not wrong. But trying to

find reasoning in everything is certainly wrong. Because at least our

elders are following certain rituals which must have been completely

right though they not be knowing the meaning, and You as a son would

keep on the tradition alive, unless you become modern and start

searching for the reasons which the elders may genuinely not

be knowing without any fault of theirs.

If Valmiki had started asking questions that why You ask me to

recite "Mara Mara" he would have never reached to Rama and his

sainthood.It is upto us to keep discretion where to ask questions and

where not to,where to search for answers and reasoning and where not

to.

I certainly agree to You but again as I said that life is too short

for us to be searching for many answers, and if one is really

intuitive enough and very much in want of a answer then Nature

provides him so, in many ways, it all depends on the perception and

retentive powers in a person to person and what exactly he wants to

know, whether is it really worth knowing.

For ex. My grandmother used to shout at me 40 years back when I used

to attend the natures call that keep your mouth closed inside, dont

sing songs, Your both upper and lower layers of teeth have to be

closed tightly. I did not understand then, neither I asked, but

always wanted to know why so. Then when i grew up I realised that

there is something known as Apana Vayu which operates below the

Muladhara Chakra near the anus, and as we open the mouth then instead

of it moving downwards to help the flow, actually retards the flow

and makes it uncomfortable for one to answer the natures call.

Or they used to tell us not to keep adrakh(Ginger) in the refigerator.

When I grew up I came to know that Ginger contains the Agni tatva

(Fire Element) and we not supposed to keep it cold.

Plus thousands of things like that.

Now I dont care for answers about each and all.

I have to be more focused on whatever I am doing at hand, be it

Astrology, Yoga, My business or whatever and have to search answers

for questions coming up there.

My name too is Krishna. (Jytish name is Bhaskar).So Krishna is

writing to Krishna. No sentiments have been hurt. You gave me the

oppurtunity to clear myself and agree with You, except that I

have to do many important things in life yet and would be searching

answers in those zones,

take care,

regards,

Bhaskar.

jyotish-vidya, "krishna_1998"

<krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> That was simply superb. I can see whatever you have said has come

> from your heart and from lot of experience that you have gained in

> this field. I could learn many things from your mail. I am in

> complete agreement with most of what you have said, except a couple

> of things:

>

> 1. You said 'Foreget Science..."

>

> Your statement implies that Astrology is not scientific. I don't

> agree with it. Astrology is scientific as any other branch of

scince,

> probably the most advanced. Unfortunately, some of the layers of

this

> branch of science has been lot over centuries. As students of this

> science it is our responsibility to find those missing pieces.

>

> Just to give an example - We have learnt that Moon represents blood

> and Mercury represents skin. This could be 100% true. However, the

> missing piece here is that how did our great rishis establish this

> relationship and on what basis? This layer of the science has been

> lost.

>

> 2. Asking questions is not wrong

>

> It is a great thing to believe in what our guru's tell us. However,

> when doubts arise one should ask questions. That is how one can

> asscimilate the knowledge in their own way. In fact, even many of

our

> ancient great texts have been written in question and answer form.

> Question and answer form appear to be the essence of our ancient

> gurukul system.

>

> When we learn something by just by belief and not by understanding

> the 'why' behind, such a knwoledge is incomplete. This is what has

> happened over recent centuries in India. Whenever my elders follow

a

> custom/practice/ritual I ask them why they are doing it that way.

> Unfortunately, the answer I get is that "I don't know, but my

> mother/father used do like this". What they might be doing is

> perfectly reasonable and based on a sound scientific principle. If

> one does not understand the reasoning, the value is lost. It just

> becomes a plain exercise like a body without the soul. This is not

a

> good way of passing on things to the next generation. Along with

> belief, we need to understand the reasoing behind.

>

> Hope I have not hurt your sentiments.

>

> Thanks,

> Krishna

>

> -- In jyotish-vidya, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shiv,

> >

> > If You believe in Chemotherapy.then believe in plantary rays.

> > If You believe in Lithroscopy then "

> > If You believe in Remote conttrol of TV then "

> > If You believe in wireless transistor then "

> > If You believe in Airconditioned remote control then "

> > If You believe in Infrared rays then "

> > If You believe that the tides in the seas is effected by the Moon

> > which is again million of miles away,then "

> > If You believe in the seasonal migration of the birds, etc.

> > to different places every year on a particular season then "

> > If You believe in the power of eclipse caused by Sun which is

> > trillions of miles away and yet before eclipse shadow falls on

> earth,

> > all earthly animals,beasts and flying birds etc. cease to make

any

> > movement or noise, there is silence in nature , then "

> > If You believe that few people sitting in their air conditioned

> > cabins in the airport can monitor the movements of the aeroplanes

> > in the sky,

> > or few people sitting in the remote corners of the world can

> monitor

> > the movements of the satellites sent by us and space ships

> > launched by us, then "

> >

> > I will talk about my city,Bombay. My transistor 30 years back

> > when I was in school which is 25 kilometres away from the Radio

> > station used to catch the Cricket commentary without any wires.

> >

> > The whole world is made of Cosmic rays, either in Vapour form,l

> > iquid form or solid form.For example water.

> > (Dont ask me to prove this, all the elevated spiritual beings

like

> > Swami Asaramji Bapu, Swami Ramsukhdasji, ParamHansa Yogananda

have

> > said this and I believe them, just like I believe when my mother

> says

> > call this man Papa,I dont ask for proof).

> >

> > The 9 Planets are the manifestations of the Supreme(You will find

> > reference in the Bhagavad Gita, I can prove this, but spare me

the

> > trouble please, I will have to search for this shloka)eg.

> > As per our individual Previous births Karmas we have to be born

to

> > bear the

> > results of the rinabandhans created by these Karmas, in a

> particular

> > planetary configuration, where each will either bless us in

> > certain departments of our life, or else punish us in others.

Thats

> > the explanation for some children being born lame or blind or

> > without other physical faculties, without apparently no faults of

> > theirs, or some with short life who die immediately after being

> born,

> > or others who live long. Then those who live long, again some

have

> > good wives/husbands, but maybe not good money, some may have good

> > money but maybe not good health etc.etc. Why these irregularities

> > apparently ? Is there all hocus pocus around ? No certainly not.

> > Everything is actually really perfect. What do you think

> > holds the planets in mid space revolving at the same speed and

not

> > falling down or not coming in each others path, or not slowing

> down ?

> > At such fast sppeds and vast dimensions of the planets, do we

ever

> > even feel that we are suspended and revolving in mid air ever ?

The

> > bedroom where we sit in our house, does it shake ever ? Never.

> > Why because there is a supreme power , a supreme consciousness

> > which hold everything in Universe in Order. Forget the science .

As

> > per science they attribute all this to Bing Bang theory . Even if

> > there was a Big Bang ever and pieces of solids (Planets and other

> > space entities )were hurled here and there, would they keep on

> > hurlinag at the samespeed ever ? If You throw a ball in the air

> does

> > not it slow revolving or rotating after few minutes ? Or do you

> call

> > thisgravitational force. Whatever science does not have a answer

> for,

> > it will not accept as true. And they keep on changing the facts

of

> > their discoveries. the latest example is Pluto, first for last

half

> a

> > century it was called a planet. Now no More. What faux paus ?

> >

> > Yet if you need a scientific base then -

> > The Cosmos is full of Cosmicrays. In 1900 the famous scientist

> > Dr.Hess of Holland proved that these come from the sky.

> > And they affect everything living or non-living. All matter is

> > vibrating and has its own vibrations.

(Atoms,Electron,Neutron,Proton

> > etc.)

> > Wherever vibrations is produced ,Wavelength is there. The

principle

> > of Cosmic rays depends completely on Wavelengths.

> > Cosmic rays are of 9 types -VIBGYOR and 2 more ,Infrared (IR) and

> > Ultra Violet (UV). The colours are also attributed to the planets

> > which I need not explain any of You.(Gems are the storehouse of

> > Cosmic rays in concentrated form) These Cosmic rays when

> > in state of imbalance create the irregularities which we see in

> > apparently in everyones life.

> >

> > I can write many sheets and pages on above to prove further with

> > names of American scientists and scientists from other countries

> > too, but thats not the purport here.A little reading on

> Radiesthesia

> > will also give knowledge to a person about above.

> >

> > Thus when a child comes out of the womb, and hits the atmosphere,

> all

> > the invisible cosmic rays (either in excess or in dearth as per

his

> > indivdual karma have decided for him to place him here at the

> > particular planetary configuration which matches his Karmas)hit

> > him, his body then receives in the rays which affect the major

part

> > of his life for deciding to suffer or enjoy the results of his

> dridha

> > (Unalterable)Karmas, while also allowing him to act

> > free and enjoy results in form of adridha karmas which are

> temporary.

> >

> > You may also argue that the child has already come in the body

nine

> > months back, so for that too astrology has a answer in form of

pre-

> > natal epoch.

> >

> > What about science ? It will also answer all above in time to

come

> > when it discovers one by one the facts which have already been

> > discovered and recorded by the Old and Ancestral Rishi Munis of

> > Indias in the texts.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > jyotish-vidya, Azaad <theblisswithin@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > > talking about sceptics I have few questions of my own )

> > >

> > > I am sure they have been discussed millions of times before.

> > >

> > > How exactly do planets affect us. Does say Jupiter send out a

> > ray/vibration/electromagnetic wave that enters our body and which

> is

> > different from Saturn and others.

> > >

> > > We know sun rays reach us after 8 minutes. Has anybody ever

> > measured these rays/waves at all ( assuming they exist). Does

> > science help here? There is a lot of speculation and pseudo

> > scientific stuff that we can assume to justify our beliefs ( like

> > rays and waves ) , but how exactly can a planet millions of

> miles

> > away affect us.

> > >

> > > Cheers

> > > Shiv

> > >

October 27, 2006

Dear Bhasker,

Again you amazed me with your vast knowledge and experience. I have

not got such detailed reasoning ever before from anyone. Thanks a

lot. Coming back to the two points we were discussing, here is my

reaction:

1. I am not suggesting that we will find all the missing links in one

lifetime. It could take a long long time. Being student of science, I

feel it is correct to make an attempt in that direction (assuming

that there could be a few missing links)

2. I agree that not everyone can learn everything in their lifetime.

Using your own example, I would say that not everyone wants to just

watch TV. Some people are more interested in understanding how TV

works rather than enjoying the show. That knowledge would give them

more satisfaction than watching a great show. People should have the

feedom to choose what they should pursue in their life rather than to

be told what to do. Each one of us are unique - Lokobhinnaruchihi.

That is all.

Thanks again for an enlightening message.

Regards,

Krishna

jyotish-vidya, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Krishna,

>

> Good that You raised those points.

>

> 1)

> At times, we have to forget certain things to lay emphasis

> on others. For example whenever I used to take my son to

> the Doctor for taking injection for any malady,I used to

> tell him forget the pain, forget the injection, forget the

> needle,You just chant "Ram Ram" for few minutes loudly.

> In the same way, at times we have to forget Science too,

> not that we have to ignore it., or that importance is not there.

> But just because Science has not put its signature on certain

> known facts to us due to our cultures, so we should not

> believe so n so, should not be there, IS ACTUALLY MY ARGUMENT.

> I agree that Jyotish is the best, most revealing and peace

> giving science in the world which brings in contentment to the

> one practising it and also to the follower and makes both of

> them a better person with superior quality of live progressively.

> How the Ancient Rishis established these relationships ?

> Through intuition and close communion with the Supreme all pervading

> consciousness (GOD). Has anyone proved today how did all the Rashis

> get the ownerships or why did the Vimsottari Dasha get the

particular

> number of years for each Planet and the Order ? Many things

> are Known (are Accepted) and not to be known (not to be To be found,

> cause they are unfounded because they have been known not through

> the normal sources of prognostications). So here we cannot put in

> the missing links. It will take us many life times and yet

> would not be able to do so.

>

> 2)

> What You say is very right.

> But life is too short to find out the Why of many things.

> I cannot find out with a normal 60 year life span how do

> all things work, TV,Computer, Remote control, electricity coming to

> my house, sanitation in my city, how the Government functions,

> Mouse which I use most of the day, or CD Player etc. millions of

> things which we are just using daily in our lives, just

> that much as we are supposed to know how to use them and not

> how they work. Morari Bapu I read once in his Ramayana

> (I had read 22 years back and still remember this passage)

> you want to eat Chana/Singdana of Rs. 1- go buy it and eat it.

> Dont waste time on finding out where the farming of this

> is done, what seeds are sown,what manure is put,

> how much water is administered daily,

> when they sprout and when they are harvested.

> Asking questions is certainly not wrong. But trying to

> find reasoning in everything is certainly wrong. Because at least

our

> elders are following certain rituals which must have been

completely

> right though they not be knowing the meaning, and You as a son

would

> keep on the tradition alive, unless you become modern and start

> searching for the reasons which the elders may genuinely not

> be knowing without any fault of theirs.

> If Valmiki had started asking questions that why You ask me to

> recite "Mara Mara" he would have never reached to Rama and his

> sainthood.It is upto us to keep discretion where to ask questions

and

> where not to,where to search for answers and reasoning and where

not

> to.

> I certainly agree to You but again as I said that life is too short

> for us to be searching for many answers, and if one is really

> intuitive enough and very much in want of a answer then Nature

> provides him so, in many ways, it all depends on the perception and

> retentive powers in a person to person and what exactly he wants to

> know, whether is it really worth knowing.

> For ex. My grandmother used to shout at me 40 years back when I

used

> to attend the natures call that keep your mouth closed inside, dont

> sing songs, Your both upper and lower layers of teeth have to be

> closed tightly. I did not understand then, neither I asked, but

> always wanted to know why so. Then when i grew up I realised that

> there is something known as Apana Vayu which operates below the

> Muladhara Chakra near the anus, and as we open the mouth then

instead

> of it moving downwards to help the flow, actually retards the flow

> and makes it uncomfortable for one to answer the natures call.

> Or they used to tell us not to keep adrakh(Ginger) in the

refigerator.

> When I grew up I came to know that Ginger contains the Agni tatva

> (Fire Element) and we not supposed to keep it cold.

> Plus thousands of things like that.

> Now I dont care for answers about each and all.

> I have to be more focused on whatever I am doing at hand, be it

> Astrology, Yoga, My business or whatever and have to search answers

> for questions coming up there.

>

> My name too is Krishna. (Jytish name is Bhaskar).So Krishna is

> writing to Krishna. No sentiments have been hurt. You gave me the

> oppurtunity to clear myself and agree with You, except that I

> have to do many important things in life yet and would be searching

> answers in those zones,

>

> take care,

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> jyotish-vidya, "krishna_1998"

> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> >

> > That was simply superb. I can see whatever you have said has come

> > from your heart and from lot of experience that you have gained

in

> > this field. I could learn many things from your mail. I am in

> > complete agreement with most of what you have said, except a

couple

> > of things:

> >

> > 1. You said 'Foreget Science..."

> >

> > Your statement implies that Astrology is not scientific. I don't

> > agree with it. Astrology is scientific as any other branch of

> scince,

> > probably the most advanced. Unfortunately, some of the layers of

> this

> > branch of science has been lot over centuries. As students of

this

> > science it is our responsibility to find those missing pieces.

> >

> > Just to give an example - We have learnt that Moon represents

blood

> > and Mercury represents skin. This could be 100% true. However,

the

> > missing piece here is that how did our great rishis establish

this

> > relationship and on what basis? This layer of the science has

been

> > lost.

> >

> > 2. Asking questions is not wrong

> >

> > It is a great thing to believe in what our guru's tell us.

However,

> > when doubts arise one should ask questions. That is how one can

> > asscimilate the knowledge in their own way. In fact, even many of

> our

> > ancient great texts have been written in question and answer

form.

> > Question and answer form appear to be the essence of our ancient

> > gurukul system.

> >

> > When we learn something by just by belief and not by

understanding

> > the 'why' behind, such a knwoledge is incomplete. This is what

has

> > happened over recent centuries in India. Whenever my elders

follow

> a

> > custom/practice/ritual I ask them why they are doing it that way.

> > Unfortunately, the answer I get is that "I don't know, but my

> > mother/father used do like this". What they might be doing is

> > perfectly reasonable and based on a sound scientific principle.

If

> > one does not understand the reasoning, the value is lost. It just

> > becomes a plain exercise like a body without the soul. This is

not

> a

> > good way of passing on things to the next generation. Along with

> > belief, we need to understand the reasoing behind.

> >

> > Hope I have not hurt your sentiments.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Krishna

> >

> > -- In jyotish-vidya, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shiv,

> > >

> > > If You believe in Chemotherapy.then believe in plantary rays.

> > > If You believe in Lithroscopy then "

> > > If You believe in Remote conttrol of TV then "

> > > If You believe in wireless transistor then "

> > > If You believe in Airconditioned remote control then "

> > > If You believe in Infrared rays then "

> > > If You believe that the tides in the seas is effected by the

Moon

> > > which is again million of miles away,then "

> > > If You believe in the seasonal migration of the birds, etc.

> > > to different places every year on a particular season then "

> > > If You believe in the power of eclipse caused by Sun which is

> > > trillions of miles away and yet before eclipse shadow falls on

> > earth,

> > > all earthly animals,beasts and flying birds etc. cease to make

> any

> > > movement or noise, there is silence in nature , then "

> > > If You believe that few people sitting in their air conditioned

> > > cabins in the airport can monitor the movements of the

aeroplanes

> > > in the sky,

> > > or few people sitting in the remote corners of the world can

> > monitor

> > > the movements of the satellites sent by us and space ships

> > > launched by us, then "

> > >

> > > I will talk about my city,Bombay. My transistor 30 years back

> > > when I was in school which is 25 kilometres away from the Radio

> > > station used to catch the Cricket commentary without any wires.

> > >

> > > The whole world is made of Cosmic rays, either in Vapour form,l

> > > iquid form or solid form.For example water.

> > > (Dont ask me to prove this, all the elevated spiritual beings

> like

> > > Swami Asaramji Bapu, Swami Ramsukhdasji, ParamHansa Yogananda

> have

> > > said this and I believe them, just like I believe when my

mother

> > says

> > > call this man Papa,I dont ask for proof).

> > >

> > > The 9 Planets are the manifestations of the Supreme(You will

find

> > > reference in the Bhagavad Gita, I can prove this, but spare me

> the

> > > trouble please, I will have to search for this shloka)eg.

> > > As per our individual Previous births Karmas we have to be born

> to

> > > bear the

> > > results of the rinabandhans created by these Karmas, in a

> > particular

> > > planetary configuration, where each will either bless us in

> > > certain departments of our life, or else punish us in others.

> Thats

> > > the explanation for some children being born lame or blind or

> > > without other physical faculties, without apparently no faults

of

> > > theirs, or some with short life who die immediately after being

> > born,

> > > or others who live long. Then those who live long, again some

> have

> > > good wives/husbands, but maybe not good money, some may have

good

> > > money but maybe not good health etc.etc. Why these

irregularities

> > > apparently ? Is there all hocus pocus around ? No certainly

not.

> > > Everything is actually really perfect. What do you think

> > > holds the planets in mid space revolving at the same speed and

> not

> > > falling down or not coming in each others path, or not slowing

> > down ?

> > > At such fast sppeds and vast dimensions of the planets, do we

> ever

> > > even feel that we are suspended and revolving in mid air ever ?

> The

> > > bedroom where we sit in our house, does it shake ever ? Never.

> > > Why because there is a supreme power , a supreme consciousness

> > > which hold everything in Universe in Order. Forget the

science .

> As

> > > per science they attribute all this to Bing Bang theory . Even

if

> > > there was a Big Bang ever and pieces of solids (Planets and

other

> > > space entities )were hurled here and there, would they keep on

> > > hurlinag at the samespeed ever ? If You throw a ball in the air

> > does

> > > not it slow revolving or rotating after few minutes ? Or do you

> > call

> > > thisgravitational force. Whatever science does not have a

answer

> > for,

> > > it will not accept as true. And they keep on changing the facts

> of

> > > their discoveries. the latest example is Pluto, first for last

> half

> > a

> > > century it was called a planet. Now no More. What faux paus ?

> > >

> > > Yet if you need a scientific base then -

> > > The Cosmos is full of Cosmicrays. In 1900 the famous scientist

> > > Dr.Hess of Holland proved that these come from the sky.

> > > And they affect everything living or non-living. All matter is

> > > vibrating and has its own vibrations.

> (Atoms,Electron,Neutron,Proton

> > > etc.)

> > > Wherever vibrations is produced ,Wavelength is there. The

> principle

> > > of Cosmic rays depends completely on Wavelengths.

> > > Cosmic rays are of 9 types -VIBGYOR and 2 more ,Infrared (IR)

and

> > > Ultra Violet (UV). The colours are also attributed to the

planets

> > > which I need not explain any of You.(Gems are the storehouse of

> > > Cosmic rays in concentrated form) These Cosmic rays when

> > > in state of imbalance create the irregularities which we see in

> > > apparently in everyones life.

> > >

> > > I can write many sheets and pages on above to prove further

with

> > > names of American scientists and scientists from other countries

> > > too, but thats not the purport here.A little reading on

> > Radiesthesia

> > > will also give knowledge to a person about above.

> > >

> > > Thus when a child comes out of the womb, and hits the

atmosphere,

> > all

> > > the invisible cosmic rays (either in excess or in dearth as per

> his

> > > indivdual karma have decided for him to place him here at the

> > > particular planetary configuration which matches his Karmas)hit

> > > him, his body then receives in the rays which affect the major

> part

> > > of his life for deciding to suffer or enjoy the results of his

> > dridha

> > > (Unalterable)Karmas, while also allowing him to act

> > > free and enjoy results in form of adridha karmas which are

> > temporary.

> > >

> > > You may also argue that the child has already come in the body

> nine

> > > months back, so for that too astrology has a answer in form of

> pre-

> > > natal epoch.

> > >

> > > What about science ? It will also answer all above in time to

> come

> > > when it discovers one by one the facts which have already been

> > > discovered and recorded by the Old and Ancestral Rishi Munis of

> > > Indias in the texts.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > jyotish-vidya, Azaad <theblisswithin@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear all,

> > > > talking about sceptics I have few questions of my own )

> > > >

> > > > I am sure they have been discussed millions of times before.

> > > >

> > > > How exactly do planets affect us. Does say Jupiter send out a

> > > ray/vibration/electromagnetic wave that enters our body and

which

> > is

> > > different from Saturn and others.

> > > >

> > > > We know sun rays reach us after 8 minutes. Has anybody ever

> > > measured these rays/waves at all ( assuming they exist). Does

> > > science help here? There is a lot of speculation and pseudo

> > > scientific stuff that we can assume to justify our beliefs (

like

> > > rays and waves ) , but how exactly can a planet millions of

> > miles

> > > away affect us.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers

> > > > Shiv

> > > >

> > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

around

> > > >

October 27, 2006

Dear Krishna,

Thank You for your reply. If if someone reads a mail

and acknolwedges it then the efforts are rewarding.

Coming back, I am also a lover of Science always since

childhood, and always search for the links, how to connect

with what one is told to do with the why. Off late I have

realised there is much to learn and we cannot possibly

do that. This is one of the Vasanas which prevent man

from rising back to Godhead. Known as Gyana vaasna where

one wants to read all knowledge available and learn too,

specially scriptures.

Unforunately its too much in me and since last 2 years am

trying to keep myself away from buying many books and less

of reading. Because there is no end to reading and passing

ones time whether for good or otherwise.

It would be better once a man turns 40 or

45 + to shift his attentions to meditation and the like,

where he will ultimately if the efforts are regular and

sincere coupled with right way of living, then would

achieve the activation of his Agya Chakra (On the

forehead between the eyebrows). Once this is done

then all knowledge is available by intuition and one does

not have to read a book to find what is written, but just touching

and concentrating on it is enough to know the essence for example.

The above would be one step forward to astrology or one step before

the last,after which all guidance comes from the Supreme power.

This is what ParamHansa Yogananda taught to the fortunates

of this world.

This is a wish, I am not sure would be achieved or not though.

regards,

Bhaskar.

jyotish-vidya, "krishna_1998"

<krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhasker,

>

> Again you amazed me with your vast knowledge and experience. I have

> not got such detailed reasoning ever before from anyone. Thanks a

> lot. Coming back to the two points we were discussing, here is my

> reaction:

>

> 1. I am not suggesting that we will find all the missing links in

one

> lifetime. It could take a long long time. Being student of science,

I

> feel it is correct to make an attempt in that direction (assuming

> that there could be a few missing links)

>

> 2. I agree that not everyone can learn everything in their

lifetime.

> Using your own example, I would say that not everyone wants to just

> watch TV. Some people are more interested in understanding how TV

> works rather than enjoying the show. That knowledge would give them

> more satisfaction than watching a great show. People should have

the

> feedom to choose what they should pursue in their life rather than

to

> be told what to do. Each one of us are unique - Lokobhinnaruchihi.

>

> That is all.

>

> Thanks again for an enlightening message.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> jyotish-vidya, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Krishna,

> >

> > Good that You raised those points.

> >

> > 1)

> > At times, we have to forget certain things to lay emphasis

> > on others. For example whenever I used to take my son to

> > the Doctor for taking injection for any malady,I used to

> > tell him forget the pain, forget the injection, forget the

> > needle,You just chant "Ram Ram" for few minutes loudly.

> > In the same way, at times we have to forget Science too,

> > not that we have to ignore it., or that importance is not there.

> > But just because Science has not put its signature on certain

> > known facts to us due to our cultures, so we should not

> > believe so n so, should not be there, IS ACTUALLY MY ARGUMENT.

> > I agree that Jyotish is the best, most revealing and peace

> > giving science in the world which brings in contentment to the

> > one practising it and also to the follower and makes both of

> > them a better person with superior quality of live progressively.

> > How the Ancient Rishis established these relationships ?

> > Through intuition and close communion with the Supreme all

pervading

> > consciousness (GOD). Has anyone proved today how did all the

Rashis

> > get the ownerships or why did the Vimsottari Dasha get the

> particular

> > number of years for each Planet and the Order ? Many things

> > are Known (are Accepted) and not to be known (not to be To be

found,

> > cause they are unfounded because they have been known not through

> > the normal sources of prognostications). So here we cannot put in

> > the missing links. It will take us many life times and yet

> > would not be able to do so.

> >

> > 2)

> > What You say is very right.

> > But life is too short to find out the Why of many things.

> > I cannot find out with a normal 60 year life span how do

> > all things work, TV,Computer, Remote control, electricity coming

to

> > my house, sanitation in my city, how the Government functions,

> > Mouse which I use most of the day, or CD Player etc. millions of

> > things which we are just using daily in our lives, just

> > that much as we are supposed to know how to use them and not

> > how they work. Morari Bapu I read once in his Ramayana

> > (I had read 22 years back and still remember this passage)

> > you want to eat Chana/Singdana of Rs. 1- go buy it and eat it.

> > Dont waste time on finding out where the farming of this

> > is done, what seeds are sown,what manure is put,

> > how much water is administered daily,

> > when they sprout and when they are harvested.

> > Asking questions is certainly not wrong. But trying to

> > find reasoning in everything is certainly wrong. Because at least

> our

> > elders are following certain rituals which must have been

> completely

> > right though they not be knowing the meaning, and You as a son

> would

> > keep on the tradition alive, unless you become modern and start

> > searching for the reasons which the elders may genuinely not

> > be knowing without any fault of theirs.

> > If Valmiki had started asking questions that why You ask me to

> > recite "Mara Mara" he would have never reached to Rama and his

> > sainthood.It is upto us to keep discretion where to ask questions

> and

> > where not to,where to search for answers and reasoning and where

> not

> > to.

> > I certainly agree to You but again as I said that life is too

short

> > for us to be searching for many answers, and if one is really

> > intuitive enough and very much in want of a answer then Nature

> > provides him so, in many ways, it all depends on the perception

and

> > retentive powers in a person to person and what exactly he wants

to

> > know, whether is it really worth knowing.

> > For ex. My grandmother used to shout at me 40 years back when I

> used

> > to attend the natures call that keep your mouth closed inside,

dont

> > sing songs, Your both upper and lower layers of teeth have to be

> > closed tightly. I did not understand then, neither I asked, but

> > always wanted to know why so. Then when i grew up I realised that

> > there is something known as Apana Vayu which operates below the

> > Muladhara Chakra near the anus, and as we open the mouth then

> instead

> > of it moving downwards to help the flow, actually retards the

flow

> > and makes it uncomfortable for one to answer the natures call.

> > Or they used to tell us not to keep adrakh(Ginger) in the

> refigerator.

> > When I grew up I came to know that Ginger contains the Agni tatva

> > (Fire Element) and we not supposed to keep it cold.

> > Plus thousands of things like that.

> > Now I dont care for answers about each and all.

> > I have to be more focused on whatever I am doing at hand, be it

> > Astrology, Yoga, My business or whatever and have to search

answers

> > for questions coming up there.

> >

> > My name too is Krishna. (Jytish name is Bhaskar).So Krishna is

> > writing to Krishna. No sentiments have been hurt. You gave me the

> > oppurtunity to clear myself and agree with You, except that I

> > have to do many important things in life yet and would be

searching

> > answers in those zones,

> >

> > take care,

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > jyotish-vidya, "krishna_1998"

> > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > That was simply superb. I can see whatever you have said has

come

> > > from your heart and from lot of experience that you have gained

> in

> > > this field. I could learn many things from your mail. I am in

> > > complete agreement with most of what you have said, except a

> couple

> > > of things:

> > >

> > > 1. You said 'Foreget Science..."

> > >

> > > Your statement implies that Astrology is not scientific. I

don't

> > > agree with it. Astrology is scientific as any other branch of

> > scince,

> > > probably the most advanced. Unfortunately, some of the layers

of

> > this

> > > branch of science has been lot over centuries. As students of

> this

> > > science it is our responsibility to find those missing pieces.

> > >

> > > Just to give an example - We have learnt that Moon represents

> blood

> > > and Mercury represents skin. This could be 100% true. However,

> the

> > > missing piece here is that how did our great rishis establish

> this

> > > relationship and on what basis? This layer of the science has

> been

> > > lost.

> > >

> > > 2. Asking questions is not wrong

> > >

> > > It is a great thing to believe in what our guru's tell us.

> However,

> > > when doubts arise one should ask questions. That is how one can

> > > asscimilate the knowledge in their own way. In fact, even many

of

> > our

> > > ancient great texts have been written in question and answer

> form.

> > > Question and answer form appear to be the essence of our

ancient

> > > gurukul system.

> > >

> > > When we learn something by just by belief and not by

> understanding

> > > the 'why' behind, such a knwoledge is incomplete. This is what

> has

> > > happened over recent centuries in India. Whenever my elders

> follow

> > a

> > > custom/practice/ritual I ask them why they are doing it that

way.

> > > Unfortunately, the answer I get is that "I don't know, but my

> > > mother/father used do like this". What they might be doing is

> > > perfectly reasonable and based on a sound scientific principle.

> If

> > > one does not understand the reasoning, the value is lost. It

just

> > > becomes a plain exercise like a body without the soul. This is

> not

> > a

> > > good way of passing on things to the next generation. Along

with

> > > belief, we need to understand the reasoing behind.

> > >

> > > Hope I have not hurt your sentiments.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > > -- In jyotish-vidya, "Bhaskar"

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shiv,

> > > >

> > > > If You believe in Chemotherapy.then believe in plantary rays.

> > > > If You believe in Lithroscopy then "

> > > > If You believe in Remote conttrol of TV then "

> > > > If You believe in wireless transistor then "

> > > > If You believe in Airconditioned remote control then "

> > > > If You believe in Infrared rays then "

> > > > If You believe that the tides in the seas is effected by the

> Moon

> > > > which is again million of miles away,then "

> > > > If You believe in the seasonal migration of the birds, etc.

> > > > to different places every year on a particular season then "

> > > > If You believe in the power of eclipse caused by Sun which is

> > > > trillions of miles away and yet before eclipse shadow falls

on

> > > earth,

> > > > all earthly animals,beasts and flying birds etc. cease to

make

> > any

> > > > movement or noise, there is silence in nature , then "

> > > > If You believe that few people sitting in their air

conditioned

> > > > cabins in the airport can monitor the movements of the

> aeroplanes

> > > > in the sky,

> > > > or few people sitting in the remote corners of the world can

> > > monitor

> > > > the movements of the satellites sent by us and space ships

> > > > launched by us, then "

> > > >

> > > > I will talk about my city,Bombay. My transistor 30 years

back

> > > > when I was in school which is 25 kilometres away from the

Radio

> > > > station used to catch the Cricket commentary without any

wires.

> > > >

> > > > The whole world is made of Cosmic rays, either in Vapour

form,l

> > > > iquid form or solid form.For example water.

> > > > (Dont ask me to prove this, all the elevated spiritual beings

> > like

> > > > Swami Asaramji Bapu, Swami Ramsukhdasji, ParamHansa Yogananda

> > have

> > > > said this and I believe them, just like I believe when my

> mother

> > > says

> > > > call this man Papa,I dont ask for proof).

> > > >

> > > > The 9 Planets are the manifestations of the Supreme(You will

> find

> > > > reference in the Bhagavad Gita, I can prove this, but spare

me

> > the

> > > > trouble please, I will have to search for this shloka)eg.

> > > > As per our individual Previous births Karmas we have to be

born

> > to

> > > > bear the

> > > > results of the rinabandhans created by these Karmas, in a

> > > particular

> > > > planetary configuration, where each will either bless us in

> > > > certain departments of our life, or else punish us in others.

> > Thats

> > > > the explanation for some children being born lame or blind or

> > > > without other physical faculties, without apparently no

faults

> of

> > > > theirs, or some with short life who die immediately after

being

> > > born,

> > > > or others who live long. Then those who live long, again some

> > have

> > > > good wives/husbands, but maybe not good money, some may have

> good

> > > > money but maybe not good health etc.etc. Why these

> irregularities

> > > > apparently ? Is there all hocus pocus around ? No certainly

> not.

> > > > Everything is actually really perfect. What do you think

> > > > holds the planets in mid space revolving at the same speed

and

> > not

> > > > falling down or not coming in each others path, or not

slowing

> > > down ?

> > > > At such fast sppeds and vast dimensions of the planets, do we

> > ever

> > > > even feel that we are suspended and revolving in mid air

ever ?

> > The

> > > > bedroom where we sit in our house, does it shake ever ? Never.

> > > > Why because there is a supreme power , a supreme consciousness

> > > > which hold everything in Universe in Order. Forget the

> science .

> > As

> > > > per science they attribute all this to Bing Bang theory .

Even

> if

> > > > there was a Big Bang ever and pieces of solids (Planets and

> other

> > > > space entities )were hurled here and there, would they keep

on

> > > > hurlinag at the samespeed ever ? If You throw a ball in the

air

> > > does

> > > > not it slow revolving or rotating after few minutes ? Or do

you

> > > call

> > > > thisgravitational force. Whatever science does not have a

> answer

> > > for,

> > > > it will not accept as true. And they keep on changing the

facts

> > of

> > > > their discoveries. the latest example is Pluto, first for

last

> > half

> > > a

> > > > century it was called a planet. Now no More. What faux paus ?

> > > >

> > > > Yet if you need a scientific base then -

> > > > The Cosmos is full of Cosmicrays. In 1900 the famous

scientist

> > > > Dr.Hess of Holland proved that these come from the sky.

> > > > And they affect everything living or non-living. All matter

is

> > > > vibrating and has its own vibrations.

> > (Atoms,Electron,Neutron,Proton

> > > > etc.)

> > > > Wherever vibrations is produced ,Wavelength is there. The

> > principle

> > > > of Cosmic rays depends completely on Wavelengths.

> > > > Cosmic rays are of 9 types -VIBGYOR and 2 more ,Infrared (IR)

> and

> > > > Ultra Violet (UV). The colours are also attributed to the

> planets

> > > > which I need not explain any of You.(Gems are the storehouse

of

> > > > Cosmic rays in concentrated form) These Cosmic rays when

> > > > in state of imbalance create the irregularities which we see

in

> > > > apparently in everyones life.

> > > >

> > > > I can write many sheets and pages on above to prove further

> with

> > > > names of American scientists and scientists from other

countries

> > > > too, but thats not the purport here.A little reading on

> > > Radiesthesia

> > > > will also give knowledge to a person about above.

> > > >

> > > > Thus when a child comes out of the womb, and hits the

> atmosphere,

> > > all

> > > > the invisible cosmic rays (either in excess or in dearth as

per

> > his

> > > > indivdual karma have decided for him to place him here at the

> > > > particular planetary configuration which matches his Karmas)

hit

> > > > him, his body then receives in the rays which affect the

major

> > part

> > > > of his life for deciding to suffer or enjoy the results of

his

> > > dridha

> > > > (Unalterable)Karmas, while also allowing him to act

> > > > free and enjoy results in form of adridha karmas which are

> > > temporary.

> > > >

> > > > You may also argue that the child has already come in the

body

> > nine

> > > > months back, so for that too astrology has a answer in form

of

> > pre-

> > > > natal epoch.

> > > >

> > > > What about science ? It will also answer all above in time to

> > come

> > > > when it discovers one by one the facts which have already

been

> > > > discovered and recorded by the Old and Ancestral Rishi Munis

of

> > > > Indias in the texts.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > jyotish-vidya, Azaad <theblisswithin@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > talking about sceptics I have few questions of my own )

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure they have been discussed millions of times before.

> > > > >

> > > > > How exactly do planets affect us. Does say Jupiter send out

a

> > > > ray/vibration/electromagnetic wave that enters our body and

> which

> > > is

> > > > different from Saturn and others.

> > > > >

> > > > > We know sun rays reach us after 8 minutes. Has anybody ever

> > > > measured these rays/waves at all ( assuming they exist).

Does

> > > > science help here? There is a lot of speculation and pseudo

> > > > scientific stuff that we can assume to justify our beliefs (

> like

> > > > rays and waves ) , but how exactly can a planet millions

of

> > > miles

> > > > away affect us.

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers

> > > > > Shiv

> > > > >

> > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

> around

> > > > >

October 28, 2006

Dear Bhaskar,

Every email exchange with you is a rewarding experience. I feel

blessed to be able to interact with an individual like you. As

you indicate, it appears that I am afflicted by Gyana Vasana.

I look forward for your guidance to make my life more

meaningful. I am already 48 and have only achieved material

success so far.

Regards,

Krishna

--- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> Dear Krishna,

>

> Thank You for your reply. If if someone reads a mail

> and acknolwedges it then the efforts are rewarding.

> Coming back, I am also a lover of Science always since

> childhood, and always search for the links, how to connect

> with what one is told to do with the why. Off late I have

> realised there is much to learn and we cannot possibly

> do that. This is one of the Vasanas which prevent man

> from rising back to Godhead. Known as Gyana vaasna where

> one wants to read all knowledge available and learn too,

> specially scriptures.

> Unforunately its too much in me and since last 2 years am

> trying to keep myself away from buying many books and less

> of reading. Because there is no end to reading and passing

> ones time whether for good or otherwise.

> It would be better once a man turns 40 or

> 45 + to shift his attentions to meditation and the like,

> where he will ultimately if the efforts are regular and

> sincere coupled with right way of living, then would

> achieve the activation of his Agya Chakra (On the

> forehead between the eyebrows). Once this is done

> then all knowledge is available by intuition and one does

> not have to read a book to find what is written, but just

> touching

> and concentrating on it is enough to know the essence for

> example.

>

> The above would be one step forward to astrology or one step

> before

> the last,after which all guidance comes from the Supreme

> power.

> This is what ParamHansa Yogananda taught to the fortunates

> of this world.

>

> This is a wish, I am not sure would be achieved or not though.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> jyotish-vidya, "krishna_1998"

> <krishna_1998 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhasker,

> >

> > Again you amazed me with your vast knowledge and experience.

> I have

> > not got such detailed reasoning ever before from anyone.

> Thanks a

> > lot. Coming back to the two points we were discussing, here

> is my

> > reaction:

> >

> > 1. I am not suggesting that we will find all the missing

> links in

> one

> > lifetime. It could take a long long time. Being student of

> science,

> I

> > feel it is correct to make an attempt in that direction

> (assuming

> > that there could be a few missing links)

> >

> > 2. I agree that not everyone can learn everything in their

> lifetime.

> > Using your own example, I would say that not everyone wants

> to just

> > watch TV. Some people are more interested in understanding

> how TV

> > works rather than enjoying the show. That knowledge would

> give them

> > more satisfaction than watching a great show. People should

> have

> the

> > feedom to choose what they should pursue in their life

> rather than

> to

> > be told what to do. Each one of us are unique -

> Lokobhinnaruchihi.

> >

> > That is all.

> >

> > Thanks again for an enlightening message.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > jyotish-vidya, "Bhaskar"

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Krishna,

> > >

> > > Good that You raised those points.

> > >

> > > 1)

> > > At times, we have to forget certain things to lay emphasis

> > > on others. For example whenever I used to take my son to

> > > the Doctor for taking injection for any malady,I used to

> > > tell him forget the pain, forget the injection, forget the

> > > needle,You just chant "Ram Ram" for few minutes loudly.

> > > In the same way, at times we have to forget Science too,

> > > not that we have to ignore it., or that importance is not

> there.

> > > But just because Science has not put its signature on

> certain

> > > known facts to us due to our cultures, so we should not

> > > believe so n so, should not be there, IS ACTUALLY MY

> ARGUMENT.

> > > I agree that Jyotish is the best, most revealing and peace

>

> > > giving science in the world which brings in contentment to

> the

> > > one practising it and also to the follower and makes both

> of

> > > them a better person with superior quality of live

> progressively.

> > > How the Ancient Rishis established these relationships ?

> > > Through intuition and close communion with the Supreme all

>

> pervading

> > > consciousness (GOD). Has anyone proved today how did all

> the

> Rashis

> > > get the ownerships or why did the Vimsottari Dasha get the

>

> > particular

> > > number of years for each Planet and the Order ? Many

> things

> > > are Known (are Accepted) and not to be known (not to be To

> be

> found,

> > > cause they are unfounded because they have been known not

> through

> > > the normal sources of prognostications). So here we cannot

> put in

> > > the missing links. It will take us many life times and yet

>

> > > would not be able to do so.

> > >

> > > 2)

> > > What You say is very right.

> > > But life is too short to find out the Why of many things.

> > > I cannot find out with a normal 60 year life span how do

> > > all things work, TV,Computer, Remote control, electricity

> coming

> to

> > > my house, sanitation in my city, how the Government

> functions,

> > > Mouse which I use most of the day, or CD Player etc.

> millions of

> > > things which we are just using daily in our lives, just

> > > that much as we are supposed to know how to use them and

> not

> > > how they work. Morari Bapu I read once in his Ramayana

> > > (I had read 22 years back and still remember this passage)

> > > you want to eat Chana/Singdana of Rs. 1- go buy it and

> eat it.

> > > Dont waste time on finding out where the farming of this

> > > is done, what seeds are sown,what manure is put,

> > > how much water is administered daily,

> > > when they sprout and when they are harvested.

> > > Asking questions is certainly not wrong. But trying to

> > > find reasoning in everything is certainly wrong. Because

> at least

> > our

> > > elders are following certain rituals which must have been

> > completely

> > > right though they not be knowing the meaning, and You as a

> son

> > would

> > > keep on the tradition alive, unless you become modern and

> start

> > > searching for the reasons which the elders may genuinely

> not

> > > be knowing without any fault of theirs.

> > > If Valmiki had started asking questions that why You ask

> me to

> > > recite "Mara Mara" he would have never reached to Rama and

> his

> > > sainthood.It is upto us to keep discretion where to ask

> questions

> > and

> > > where not to,where to search for answers and reasoning and

> where

> > not

> > > to.

> > > I certainly agree to You but again as I said that life is

> too

> short

> > > for us to be searching for many answers, and if one is

> really

> > > intuitive enough and very much in want of a answer then

> Nature

> > > provides him so, in many ways, it all depends on the

> perception

> and

> > > retentive powers in a person to person and what exactly he

> wants

=== message truncated ===

Regards,

Krishna

http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com

October 28, 2006

Dear Krishna and Balaji,

If I might add a little here regarding Gyana Vasana....if I'm not mistaken

gyana means the pursuit of knowledge and vasana implies a habit...am I

correct?

If so, then I think that the habit of acquiring knowledge is not a bad habit

to develop if one hopes to become proficient in any subject. Medical doctors

for instance have to absorb an incredible amount of knowledge to gain their

degree. Of course, for them, the reading is structured and they're guided in

what (and how) they should study...according to the given curriculum.

For the novice astrologer there's no structured curriculum and the

proliferans of both right and WRONG information available is such that it

makes arriving at the truth a long and arduous task. No doubt, for the

astrologer, intuition and discrimination are essential prerequisites.

I certainly agree that jyotish is a science and, as you know, any science

involves a great deal of study.

I must send this off quickly before I lose it...we're in the middle of a

thunderstorm here.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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