Exclude Creamy layer from Reservations for OBC, read SC judgment

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Namaskar Mitra,

 

The Supreme Court gave a recent judgment to Exclude Creamy Layer from reservations for OBC's: SC judgment of October 2006 - the article reproduces the judgment in full. Since the apex court has held Caste to be the basis for backwardness the article gives you views of Swami Vivekananda and noted Gandhian Dharampal on caste. To read judgment - http://www.esamskriti.com/html/essay_index.asp?cat=800&subcat=799&cname=reser_obc_oct06

 

Conclusion:

 

1.. Reasons for reservation are backwardness, inadequacy of representation and overall administrative efficiency are key to matter of reservation policy.

2.. Ceiling limit of reservations is 50%, concept of creamy layer to be adhered to.

3.. State can make reservations for SC/ST in case of promotions provided certain guidelines are followed.

Food for Thought

1. Caste accepted as basis for backwardness. What it means that people belonging to a certain caste are backward. So by implication it means that a person belonging to the so called upper caste does not qualify for reservation even if he is poor / a backward. Amazing na! In Mumbai come across so many poor Brahmins who work as taxi drivers or watchmen, they must be denied reservation because they are Brahimns. Should not economic criteria be a better basis for reservation?

 

2. What the reservations policy of the last sixty years has done is to make people more aware of their caste? For e.g. in 2006 the UPA government or and its Allies wanted the private sector to reserve a large % of jobs for OBC's etc. A leading private sector co Hindustan Levers said that as per data available over 50% of their employees belonged to that category. So now when every employee is recruited there would be a separate column for 'Caste'. Are we not dividing the country further by highlighting caste of an individual?

 

3. The media keeps on cursing the caste system but never forgets to highlight the Caste factor during election analysis.

 

4. "It is owing to caste that 300 million people can find a peace of bread to eat. It is an imperfect institution no doubt. But if it had not been for caste, you would have had no Sanskrit books to study. This caste made walls, around which all sorts of invasions rolled and surged but found it impossible to breakthrough". Swami Vivekananda.

 

5. Caste made into Evil. Read views of noted Gandhian Dharampal, excerpts from his book 'Rediscovering India by SIDH'. "For the British, as perhaps for some others before them, caste has been a great obstacle, in fact, an unmitigated evil not because the British believed in castelessness or d to non-hierarchical system but because it stood in the way of their breaking Indian society, hindered the process of atomization, and made the task of conquest and governance more difficult. The present fury and the theoretical formulations against the organization of Indian society into castes, whatever the justification or otherwise of caste today, thus begins with British rule". To read more

 

http://www.esamskriti.com/html/essay_index.asp?cat_name=why&cid=1039&sid=170

 

6. Same book read 'Warriors now Backwards'. http://www.esamskriti.com/html/essay_index.asp?cat_name=why&cid=1039&sid=170

 

7. Same book read 'Impact of Census on Castes'. http://www.esamskriti.com/html/essay_index.asp?cat_name=why&cid=1039&sid=170

 

 

 

Also read:

 

1.Justifying reservations on account of centuries of discrimination: Myth or reality -

 

http://www.esamskriti.com/html/essay_index.asp?cat=788&subcat=787&cname=reservations

 

2. Status of Indigenous education around 1800. Based on a book by Dharampal..

 

http://www.esamskriti.com/html/new_inside.asp?cat_name=why&cid=1062&sid=174.

 

3. Arun Shourie's book 'Falling over Backwards'.

 

 

 

Friends bottom line is surely there are problems with the caste system as it exists but note that the first the British and then the Congress accentuated caste differences to meet their political objectives. Also see it as a ploy by the Christians/Muslims to encourage conversions and weaken the spirit of Mother India.

 

 

 

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Friends Namskar,

 

Recently there had been much hype against the caste based reservation

system. Time to time hypocrites are making this as big issue and trying to

deny just rights to the backward community.

 

Through ages downtrodden people have suffered inhuman treatment at the sake

of these so called affluent people. Till now nobody from these learned

people said that the backwards also have equal rights to live like us. These

learned people who were in creamy layer through ages did not say, that time,

that the backwards deserve free education and equal rights. It was Dr

Babsaheb Ambedkar who lifted cudgels against these evil people and made them

to realize that mythological birth hierarchy doesn't count anything but

knowledge and your deeds only.

 

Through centuries hypocrites were sidelining the true message of KARMA

sindhanta of the Geeta and creating divide among Hindu people. I know their

mindset has not changed least till date. They will not feel shameful to turn

India into the same old degenerating India. It is the law of the land that

is making them to comply otherwise the whole country will be turned into

chaturvanya system. In this great country other religion people have all the

equal rights, politicians are also yielding them what they want but the

backwards Hindus are not entitled to these benefits. Majority Muslim people

are previous low caste Hindu people. Their economic condition is much better

than the backwards. What should we call this?

 

The Hindu religion has withered since ancient time because of inequality.

Few months before, I saw Aims, New Delhi students doing Yadnya Pooja with

Vedic mantra and so on. Do our Gods support such traditions?

 

If any body wants to uproot caste system, first destroy economic inequality,

give job oriented free education, create equality based social environment

then reservation will hold no ground. Today also some people make hue and

cry about cow slaughter and so on, what did they mean, the illiterate

backward jobless people are doing it deliberately? I am not advocating cow

slaughter but I am just asserting that human beings are greater than any

animal and their patrons.

 

There are around 12 private medical colleges in Maharashtra (having more

student capacity than Govt medical colleges) and all quality students (who

don't study, canvass their exam marks, spend money recklessly and are having

every vice--- not all of them) enter these colleges which are run by their

strata people. Can any body explain what type of this reservation is? You

have money means you should have reservation. Here question of quality does

not bother learned people. I know through reservation quality is bit

compromised but for majority of the backwards, issue is of survival and not

quality. The standard in their educational level has definitely improved.

See meritorious students chart in exams and many are from the backwards

also.

 

I do not say economically backward upper caste people should suffer but go

through the statistics throughout our country, you will find backwards are

still backward today. Poverty of centuries won't go all of a sudden. Creamy

layered backwards should be treated as non-reservation people, I agree with

this.

 

Go through the higher service posts, the backwards are not there in fair

proportion. The Indian population is comprised of OBC, SC and ST in majority

and non-reservation people are in minority so on what ground the maximum

resources should be kept by these people.

 

Again I repeat equality in all spheres of life is the only answer to keep

all Hindus together or one day we all will be in minority and the Muslims

will call the shots. No religion in the world, except Hindu, makes

difference among its followers.

 

If any body has objection just read it and forget it as I do not want to

start war of words.

 

 

 

With regards,

 

 

 

Dr Vaijinath Raghunath Dhapase

 

MBBS, MD, DNB, AFIH,

 

Medical Specialist

 

Kingdom Saudi Arabia

 

00 966 509684899

 

 

 

 

 

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[world-vedic] Exclude Creamy layer from Reservations for OBC, read

SC judgment

 

 

 

Namaskar Mitra,

 

 

 

The Supreme Court gave a recent judgment to Exclude Creamy Layer from

reservations for OBC's: SC judgment of October 2006 - the article reproduces

the judgment in full. Since the apex court has held Caste to be the basis

for backwardness the article gives you views of Swami Vivekananda and noted

Gandhian Dharampal on caste. To read judgment - http://www.esamskri

<http://www.esamskriti.com/html/essay_index.asp?cat=800&subcat=799&cname=res

er_obc_oct06>

ti.com/html/essay_index.asp?cat=800&subcat=799&cname=reser_obc_oct06

 

 

 

Conclusion:

 

1. Reasons for reservation are backwardness, inadequacy of

representation and overall administrative efficiency are key to matter of

reservation policy.

2. Ceiling limit of reservations is 50%, concept of creamy layer to be

adhered to.

3. State can make reservations for SC/ST in case of promotions provided

certain guidelines are followed.

 

 

Food for Thought

 

 

1. Caste accepted as basis for backwardness. What it means that people

belonging to a certain caste are backward. So by implication it means that a

person belonging to the so called upper caste does not qualify for

reservation even if he is poor / a backward. Amazing na! In Mumbai come

across so many poor Brahmins who work as taxi drivers or watchmen, they must

be denied reservation because they are Brahimns. Should not economic

criteria be a better basis for reservation?

 

2. What the reservations policy of the last sixty years has done is to

make people more aware of their caste? For e.g. in 2006 the UPA government

or and its Allies wanted the private sector to reserve a large % of jobs for

OBC's etc. A leading private sector co Hindustan Levers said that as per

data available over 50% of their employees belonged to that category. So now

when every employee is recruited there would be a separate column for

'Caste'. Are we not dividing the country further by highlighting caste of an

individual?

 

3. The media keeps on cursing the caste system but never forgets to

highlight the Caste factor during election analysis.

 

4. "It is owing to caste that 300 million people can find a peace of

bread to eat. It is an imperfect institution no doubt. But if it had not

been for caste, you would have had no Sanskrit books to study. This caste

made walls, around which all sorts of invasions rolled and surged but found

it impossible to breakthrough". Swami Vivekananda.

 

5. Caste made into Evil. Read views of noted Gandhian Dharampal,

excerpts from his book 'Rediscovering India by SIDH'. "For the British, as

perhaps for some others before them, caste has been a great obstacle, in

fact, an unmitigated evil not because the British believed in castelessness

or d to non-hierarchical system but because it stood in the way of

their breaking Indian society, hindered the process of atomization, and made

the task of conquest and governance more difficult. The present fury and the

theoretical formulations against the organization of Indian society into

castes, whatever the justification or otherwise of caste today, thus begins

with British rule". To read more

 

http://www.esamskri

<http://www.esamskriti.com/html/essay_index.asp?cat_name=why&cid=1039&sid=17

0> ti.com/html/essay_index.asp?cat_name=why&cid=1039&sid=170

 

6. Same book read 'Warriors now Backwards'. http://www.esamskri

<http://www.esamskriti.com/html/essay_index.asp?cat_name=why&cid=1039&sid=17

0> ti.com/html/essay_index.asp?cat_name=why&cid=1039&sid=170

 

7. Same book read 'Impact of Census on Castes'. http://www.esamskri

<http://www.esamskriti.com/html/essay_index.asp?cat_name=why&cid=1039&sid=17

0> ti.com/html/essay_index.asp?cat_name=why&cid=1039&sid=170

 

 

 

Also read:

 

1.Justifying reservations on account of centuries of discrimination: Myth or

reality -

 

http://www.esamskri

<http://www.esamskriti.com/html/essay_index.asp?cat=788&subcat=787&cname=res

ervations> ti.com/html/essay_index.asp?cat=788&subcat=787&cname=reservations

 

2. Status of Indigenous education around 1800. Based on a book by Dharampal.

 

 

http://www.esamskri

<http://www.esamskriti.com/html/new_inside.asp?cat_name=why&cid=1062&sid=174

> ti.com/html/new_inside.asp?cat_name=why&cid=1062&sid=174.

 

3. Arun Shourie's book 'Falling over Backwards'.

 

 

 

Friends bottom line is surely there are problems with the caste system as it

exists but note that the first the British and then the Congress accentuated

caste differences to meet their political objectives. Also see it as a ploy

by the Christians/Muslims to encourage conversions and weaken the spirit of

Mother India.

 

 

 

Share the Wealth, With Prem & Cheers

 

sanjeev

 

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Passionate about India

To mail - exploreindia@ <exploreindia (AT) vsnl (DOT) net> vsnl.net,

to Un write back.

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worldwide.

 

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