Retrograde Planets [and of sun and moon; typo corrected]]

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You sound sceptical, Rishi :-)

 

It is all in the vantage. DESPITE the maya of its linkage with actual

bodies (astronomy) to some extent (rahu and ketu and upagrahas etc),

astrology really exists in the mental realm, the mental reality! Many

jyotishis close their eyes in cogniscence of that reality when they

mull over the charts and make their synthetic (as in resulting from

synthesis and not in its other sense, i.e., artificial)

pronouncements! Not all do, obviously!

 

I say the above with absolute directness and with no hidden meanings

or interpretations being necessary! Without such directness and

admission thereof, the matter risks becoming way more convoluted

than it ever was supposed to be even in the classics and hence

presumably emanating from the Sages. The answer lies in the fact that

sun and moon are called the luminaries, the lights and not planets!

Hence they must follow a different rhythm, a different cycle, perhaps

much shorter than those adopted by or attributed to other 'planets'.

 

RR

, rishi shukla

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Blessings, Ranjanda, are always needed and gratefully

> accepted.

>

> Some mixing is always good while experimenting!

> We were waiting for further elaboration on the

> retrograde motions, particularly of Sun and the Moon.

>

> Rishi

>

> --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > You are mixing up messages and threads!

> >

> > What is Crystal Clear as always are the golden and

> > deep purple in

> > your aura that represent the highest expression of

> > Mars, Jupiter and

> > Sun when they decide to work together for others...

> >

> > Does this make sense?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > ,

> > "rishi_2000in"

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir,

> > > We wait for more.

> > > Infact, rarely are you guilty of overexplaining as

> > you mentioned in

> > > another message!

> > > So explain on please..

> > > rishi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ,

> > "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Gustakhi maaf!

> > > >

> > > > But by any chance are you talking about the

> > times when Rahu-Ketu

> > > > (true nodes) go direct?

> > > >

> > > > Please enlighten.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Nandini.

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > "Rohiniranjan"

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Matthias (Vedicdragon),

> > > > >

> > > > > Very well written piece on retrogrades. You

> > could also include

> > > the

> > > > > example of moon which does not go retrograde

> > (because it

> > > encircles

> > > > > the earth and is always faster than earth).

> > > > >

> > > > > As far as your comparison between astronomy

> > and astrology, you

> > > are

> > > > > right, astrology needs astronomy, not the

> > other way. However

> > > > > knowledge of astronomy alone hardly helps one

> > with astrology.

> > Let

> > > > me

> > > > > give an analogy.

> > > > >

> > > > > Astronomy is like the diving board. One needs

> > it to jump up and

> > > > dive

> > > > > into water but once in the water, if one does

> > not know how to

> > > swim

> > > > > (astrology) that diving board is not of much

> > help ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Though -- actually sun and moon both have

> > retrograde motions!

> > > This

> > > > is

> > > > > not explicitly stated in astrology books,

> > modern or classics!!

> > > > >

> > > > > If you are interested, I will write more as I

> > do not wish to

> > take

> > > > up

> > > > > too much space if not interested :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > "vedicdragon" <vedic@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> > "ashwin_062k"

> > > > > <ashwin_062k@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > First of all I would like to say that I am

> > novice to both

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > and astronomy. In the recent months, I

> > have started to try

> > to

> > > > > > > understand this great science of astrology

> > and astronomy. I

> > > > > > > understand that both are inter-related to

> > each other.

> > Correct

> > > > me

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > I am wrong.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As far, I understand that certain planets

> > retrogate in

> > their

> > > > > motion

> > > > > > > for a period of time, as detailed in the

> > Vedic astrology.

> > That

> > > > > > > means that the planets do have a regular

> > motion, stationary

> > > > days

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > retrogade motion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is there any reference about this

> > retrograte motion of

> > > planets

> > > > in

> > > > > > > the astronomy? or am I missing some thing

> > here,

> > conceptually.

> > > > > > > Please throw some light on this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Sridhar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sridhar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as I understand your question, the

> > core of it is about

> > > > > linking the principles of

> > > > > > astronomy to astrology. Of course there is a

> > reference

> > between

> > > > the

> > > > > retrograde motion of a

> > > > > > planet and astronomy, as astrology is

> > interpreting the

> > eternal

> > > > > movement of planets in God

> > > > > > ´s universe.

> > > > > > But, you hopefully won´t believe the planets

> > themselves to

> > stop

> > > > > moving and move

> > > > > > reversely, do you? If that should ever

> > happen, the universe

> > > > > certainly were to burst.

> > > > > > The trick here is that ANY astrological

> > system necessarily is

> > > > based

> > > > > on a geocentric view of

> > > > > > affairs. The RELATIVE motion of the earth as

> > RELATED to the

> > > > other

> > > > > planets creates the

> > > > > > impression of "retrograde" planets as viewed

> > from the EARTH.

> > > > It´s

> > > > > thus not only a matter

> > > > > > of motion or track speed of the earth and

> > the rest of the

> > > > planets,

> > > > > but also of viewing

> > > > > > angles. At certain times of the year, the

> > earth seems to

> > > > overtake

> > > > > any given other planet -

> > > > > > except for the sun (which is not a planet,

> > of course) - as

> > > > related

> > > > > to its own apparent

> > > > > > motion in a given sign, yielding the

> > impression of retrograde

> > > > > motion of that specific

> > > > > > planet.

> > > > > > Can you explain yourself why the sun will

> > NEVER be in

> > > retrograde

> > > > > mode?

> > > > > > If you were to watch, let´s say, mercury,

> > which

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