Foley case - Question to astrologers -Savana Year

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandrashekahar ji

 

I think you might have had discussed the astronomical sides of this

aspect with other astrologers.Could you briefly give the Sarasnsh of

of such discussions(both sides) so that i can get an overview.

Siderial positions are needed so that we can always peg planetary

positions to constant stellar frames -Ashwinyadi etc.

But year definitions are different are for different purpose.If you

can explain the Month/year definition and their correspondence to

dasha calculations - supporting your version may be helpful(say w.r

to progression of sun,samkramana etc).As you know this is just a

request to understand the base before arriving at conclusions.I am

also in touch with shri Chandrahari and getting his views.

 

Respect

Pradeep

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear David,

>

> The pleasure is entirely mine.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> David Andrews wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Chandrasekhar ji,

> > Thank you for being so kind as to post the shlokas from Narada

Samhita

> > with regard to the use of the Savana years for predictions.

> >

> >

> > David

> >

> >

> > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote:

> > Dear David,

> >

> > Narada Purana is on the net, I presume but some of the shlokas

have

> > mistakes there in. Narada Samhita is not on the net/ e-book form.

> > However I paste below the shlokas from Narada Samhita for your

> > reference.The text talks about 9 years that are observed by

Hindus and

> > tells that 5 are still in use and gives which is to be used

when. I am

> > pasting only about use of the Solar year and the Savana year. If

you

> > desire so, I could also send the rest of the shlokas. The first

line is

> > in Sanskrit99 fonts and next one in ULW Palladio IT fonts. I

have given

> > a rough translation below.

> >

> > ¢h[< iniol< kay¡ g&ýte saErmant>,

> >

> > grahaëaà nikhilaà käryaà gåhyate sauramänataù|

> >

> > For all religious ceremonies, related to eclipse, Saur

month/year is

> > acceptable.

> >

> > ivxeivRxan< ôIgÉ¡ savnenEv g&ýte.3.

> >

> > vidhervidhänaà strégarbhaà sävanenaiva gåhyate||3||

> >

> > Savana month/year is to be accepted (used) for prediction of the

> > writings of Brahma (predictions) and birth (literally, foetus of

a woman).

> >

> > By the way there are similar shlokas in Davaigya Ranjan and

other texts.

> > Even common sense will tell that this is right as even to date

> > Panchangas calculate day from Sunrise to Sunrise (Savana) and the

> > calculation of man versus divine years is also based on one

month of 30

> > days and one year of 12 months indicating 360 Savana days. That

is how

> > many astrologers of my time and that of my father and those

before that

> > used to calculate Dashas when they had to be calculated by hand.

> >

> > I trust you find this in order.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > David Andrews wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrasekhar ji and Satish ji,

> > > Both of you state that you use Savana years to calculate the

dasa and

> > > bhukhtis.

> > > Chandrasekhar ji quotes Narada Samhita or Narada Purana as

> > > justification for the use of the Savana year. Could

Chandrasekhar ji

> > > give a brief summary of the Narada Purana where use of the

Savana year

> > > is advised as I have no way of getting a copy of this text. If

it is

> > > found in a e-book somewhere could you be kind enough to lead

me to the

> > > link please.

> > > Thank you.

> > > May I also take this opportunity to wish both of you and your

families

> > > a Happy Diwali.

> > >

> > > David

> > >

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote:

> > > Dear Satish,

> > >

> > > Read Narada Samhita or Narada Purana. He gives the 9 years

used by

> > > Hindus and tells how five of them are to be used and when. He

advises

> > > use of Savana year for predictions (Vidhirvidhana) and

Pregnancy (Stree

> > > garbha).

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > SPK wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chadrashekharji,

> > > >

> > > > I use 360 day civil year. You mention that it was advised by

Narada.

> > > > Could you please let me know which text this is mentioned ?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > >

> > > > P.S. Please look at the Foley chart if you have time, I am

curious to

> > > > read your analysis of the chart

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep,

 

There are primarily 9 types of years that were given by the hindu

astronomers that is the /Brahma, Daiva, Maanusha, Pitrya, Saur, Saavana,

Chaandra, Nakshtra and Guru years are the 9 types/ and of these 5 are in

use even to this day. The five in use are Saur, Saavana, Naakshatra,

Chaandra and the Guru years. While some years are related to annual

return of a graha to a certain fixed positions, others are related to

the time taken by them to travel certain distance based on degrees or

return to horizon being treated as a day and 12 months of 30 such days

each making a year. Saur year is dependent on ingress of Sun in a sign,

Saavana relates to 12 months of 30 days, day length being measured from

sunrise to sunrise, Naakshatra relates to 12 months each measuring the

time taking for Moon to transit Ashwini to Ashwini. Or the time taken by

Chandra to traverse all 27 nakshatras 12 times. Chaandra relates to 12

months of 30 tithis each and Guru relates to the 60 year cycle of Guru

consisting of 60 years or Samvatsaras, so the annual return of Guru is

used for the Samvatsara calculation. I have given only the general

definition of the years/ months here.

 

Saur year is used to rituals related to Eclipse, prediction and progeny

is based on Saavana, Rains and cloud seeding is calculated through

naakshatra year, Travels marriages, shaving of hair, Vaastu, keeping of

fast etc. are decided using the Chaandra year calculations and Prabhava

etc. samvatsara are based on the Guru Year. So says the Sage Narada in

his Narada Samhita.

 

There is a lot of disagreement between the scholars as to which year is

to be used in Vimshottari dasha calculations. I prefer to go by what

Narada said. I have yet to see a classic define the span of year other

than what is given by Narada, but those more knowledgeable than me could

hold their own views on the subject. I prefer to rely on Pramana and

tarka and prefer to use Saavana year for calculations of Vimshottari and

all other Dashas. Those interested could also try to equate the human

year to the year of gods and find out whether it fits the definition of

Saur year or the Saavana year.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

 

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekahar ji

>

> I think you might have had discussed the astronomical sides of this

> aspect with other astrologers.Could you briefly give the Sarasnsh of

> of such discussions(both sides) so that i can get an overview.

> Siderial positions are needed so that we can always peg planetary

> positions to constant stellar frames -Ashwinyadi etc.

> But year definitions are different are for different purpose.If you

> can explain the Month/year definition and their correspondence to

> dasha calculations - supporting your version may be helpful(say w.r

> to progression of sun,samkramana etc).As you know this is just a

> request to understand the base before arriving at conclusions.I am

> also in touch with shri Chandrahari and getting his views.

>

> Respect

> Pradeep

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear David,

> >

> > The pleasure is entirely mine.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > David Andrews wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > Thank you for being so kind as to post the shlokas from Narada

> Samhita

> > > with regard to the use of the Savana years for predictions.

> > >

> > >

> > > David

> > >

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote:

> > > Dear David,

> > >

> > > Narada Purana is on the net, I presume but some of the shlokas

> have

> > > mistakes there in. Narada Samhita is not on the net/ e-book form.

> > > However I paste below the shlokas from Narada Samhita for your

> > > reference.The text talks about 9 years that are observed by

> Hindus and

> > > tells that 5 are still in use and gives which is to be used

> when. I am

> > > pasting only about use of the Solar year and the Savana year. If

> you

> > > desire so, I could also send the rest of the shlokas. The first

> line is

> > > in Sanskrit99 fonts and next one in ULW Palladio IT fonts. I

> have given

> > > a rough translation below.

> > >

> > > ¢h[< iniol< kay¡ g&ýte saErmant>,

> > >

> > > grahaëaà nikhilaà käryaà gåhyate sauramänataù|

> > >

> > > For all religious ceremonies, related to eclipse, Saur

> month/year is

> > > acceptable.

> > >

> > > ivxeivRxan< ôIgÉ¡ savnenEv g&ýte.3.

> > >

> > > vidhervidhänaà strégarbhaà sävanenaiva gåhyate||3||

> > >

> > > Savana month/year is to be accepted (used) for prediction of the

> > > writings of Brahma (predictions) and birth (literally, foetus of

> a woman).

> > >

> > > By the way there are similar shlokas in Davaigya Ranjan and

> other texts.

> > > Even common sense will tell that this is right as even to date

> > > Panchangas calculate day from Sunrise to Sunrise (Savana) and the

> > > calculation of man versus divine years is also based on one

> month of 30

> > > days and one year of 12 months indicating 360 Savana days. That

> is how

> > > many astrologers of my time and that of my father and those

> before that

> > > used to calculate Dashas when they had to be calculated by hand.

> > >

> > > I trust you find this in order.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > David Andrews wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrasekhar ji and Satish ji,

> > > > Both of you state that you use Savana years to calculate the

> dasa and

> > > > bhukhtis.

> > > > Chandrasekhar ji quotes Narada Samhita or Narada Purana as

> > > > justification for the use of the Savana year. Could

> Chandrasekhar ji

> > > > give a brief summary of the Narada Purana where use of the

> Savana year

> > > > is advised as I have no way of getting a copy of this text. If

> it is

> > > > found in a e-book somewhere could you be kind enough to lead

> me to the

> > > > link please.

> > > > Thank you.

> > > > May I also take this opportunity to wish both of you and your

> families

> > > > a Happy Diwali.

> > > >

> > > > David

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > Dear Satish,

> > > >

> > > > Read Narada Samhita or Narada Purana. He gives the 9 years

> used by

> > > > Hindus and tells how five of them are to be used and when. He

> advises

> > > > use of Savana year for predictions (Vidhirvidhana) and

> Pregnancy (Stree

> > > > garbha).

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > SPK wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Chadrashekharji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I use 360 day civil year. You mention that it was advised by

> Narada.

> > > > > Could you please let me know which text this is mentioned ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > Satish

> > > > >

> > > > > P.S. Please look at the Foley chart if you have time, I am

> curious to

> > > > > read your analysis of the chart

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandrashekhar ji

 

Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation.

As you say you have Narada Purana to support your views.

Regarding your views on day of GOD's shri Chandrahari had given a

clarification to me.Kindly see it.

 

''Radius vector of the planet is used in deriving the longitudes on a

circle of 360 degree in arc duration or 21600 minutes which is equal

to the number of breaths in a day. All time notions are founded on the

rotation of the earth through 21600 minutes of arc or prana. Obviously

a year must mean the revolution of sun through 21600 arcs and then

only a geometric orbit is completed.

 

Look at the Zodiac. 21600 minutes of arc are 21600 prana foR Surya

(Kalapurushan).360x21600' = 1296000' is the God's year as per puranas.

(360 years)''.

 

I am open to all views before arriving at Truth.Your view on zero or

beginning point of Zodiac may also be appreciated.

 

Respect

Pradeep

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> There are primarily 9 types of years that were given by the hindu

> astronomers that is the /Brahma, Daiva, Maanusha, Pitrya, Saur,

Saavana,

> Chaandra, Nakshtra and Guru years are the 9 types/ and of these 5

are in

> use even to this day. The five in use are Saur, Saavana, Naakshatra,

> Chaandra and the Guru years. While some years are related to annual

> return of a graha to a certain fixed positions, others are related to

> the time taken by them to travel certain distance based on degrees or

> return to horizon being treated as a day and 12 months of 30 such days

> each making a year. Saur year is dependent on ingress of Sun in a sign,

> Saavana relates to 12 months of 30 days, day length being measured from

> sunrise to sunrise, Naakshatra relates to 12 months each measuring the

> time taking for Moon to transit Ashwini to Ashwini. Or the time

taken by

> Chandra to traverse all 27 nakshatras 12 times. Chaandra relates to 12

> months of 30 tithis each and Guru relates to the 60 year cycle of Guru

> consisting of 60 years or Samvatsaras, so the annual return of Guru is

> used for the Samvatsara calculation. I have given only the general

> definition of the years/ months here.

>

> Saur year is used to rituals related to Eclipse, prediction and progeny

> is based on Saavana, Rains and cloud seeding is calculated through

> naakshatra year, Travels marriages, shaving of hair, Vaastu, keeping of

> fast etc. are decided using the Chaandra year calculations and Prabhava

> etc. samvatsara are based on the Guru Year. So says the Sage Narada in

> his Narada Samhita.

>

> There is a lot of disagreement between the scholars as to which year is

> to be used in Vimshottari dasha calculations. I prefer to go by what

> Narada said. I have yet to see a classic define the span of year other

> than what is given by Narada, but those more knowledgeable than me

could

> hold their own views on the subject. I prefer to rely on Pramana and

> tarka and prefer to use Saavana year for calculations of Vimshottari

and

> all other Dashas. Those interested could also try to equate the human

> year to the year of gods and find out whether it fits the definition of

> Saur year or the Saavana year.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

>

> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekahar ji

> >

> > I think you might have had discussed the astronomical sides of this

> > aspect with other astrologers.Could you briefly give the Sarasnsh of

> > of such discussions(both sides) so that i can get an overview.

> > Siderial positions are needed so that we can always peg planetary

> > positions to constant stellar frames -Ashwinyadi etc.

> > But year definitions are different are for different purpose.If you

> > can explain the Month/year definition and their correspondence to

> > dasha calculations - supporting your version may be helpful(say w.r

> > to progression of sun,samkramana etc).As you know this is just a

> > request to understand the base before arriving at conclusions.I am

> > also in touch with shri Chandrahari and getting his views.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear David,

> > >

> > > The pleasure is entirely mine.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > David Andrews wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > Thank you for being so kind as to post the shlokas from Narada

> > Samhita

> > > > with regard to the use of the Savana years for predictions.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > David

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > Dear David,

> > > >

> > > > Narada Purana is on the net, I presume but some of the shlokas

> > have

> > > > mistakes there in. Narada Samhita is not on the net/ e-book form.

> > > > However I paste below the shlokas from Narada Samhita for your

> > > > reference.The text talks about 9 years that are observed by

> > Hindus and

> > > > tells that 5 are still in use and gives which is to be used

> > when. I am

> > > > pasting only about use of the Solar year and the Savana year. If

> > you

> > > > desire so, I could also send the rest of the shlokas. The first

> > line is

> > > > in Sanskrit99 fonts and next one in ULW Palladio IT fonts. I

> > have given

> > > > a rough translation below.

> > > >

> > > > ¢h[< iniol< kay¡ g&ýte saErmant>,

> > > >

> > > > grahaëaà nikhilaà käryaà gåhyate sauramänataù|

> > > >

> > > > For all religious ceremonies, related to eclipse, Saur

> > month/year is

> > > > acceptable.

> > > >

> > > > ivxeivRxan< ôIgÉ¡ savnenEv g&ýte.3.

> > > >

> > > > vidhervidhänaà strégarbhaà sävanenaiva gåhyate||3||

> > > >

> > > > Savana month/year is to be accepted (used) for prediction of the

> > > > writings of Brahma (predictions) and birth (literally, foetus of

> > a woman).

> > > >

> > > > By the way there are similar shlokas in Davaigya Ranjan and

> > other texts.

> > > > Even common sense will tell that this is right as even to date

> > > > Panchangas calculate day from Sunrise to Sunrise (Savana) and the

> > > > calculation of man versus divine years is also based on one

> > month of 30

> > > > days and one year of 12 months indicating 360 Savana days. That

> > is how

> > > > many astrologers of my time and that of my father and those

> > before that

> > > > used to calculate Dashas when they had to be calculated by hand.

> > > >

> > > > I trust you find this in order.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > David Andrews wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar ji and Satish ji,

> > > > > Both of you state that you use Savana years to calculate the

> > dasa and

> > > > > bhukhtis.

> > > > > Chandrasekhar ji quotes Narada Samhita or Narada Purana as

> > > > > justification for the use of the Savana year. Could

> > Chandrasekhar ji

> > > > > give a brief summary of the Narada Purana where use of the

> > Savana year

> > > > > is advised as I have no way of getting a copy of this text. If

> > it is

> > > > > found in a e-book somewhere could you be kind enough to lead

> > me to the

> > > > > link please.

> > > > > Thank you.

> > > > > May I also take this opportunity to wish both of you and your

> > families

> > > > > a Happy Diwali.

> > > > >

> > > > > David

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > >

> > > > > Read Narada Samhita or Narada Purana. He gives the 9 years

> > used by

> > > > > Hindus and tells how five of them are to be used and when. He

> > advises

> > > > > use of Savana year for predictions (Vidhirvidhana) and

> > Pregnancy (Stree

> > > > > garbha).

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > SPK wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chadrashekharji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I use 360 day civil year. You mention that it was advised by

> > Narada.

> > > > > > Could you please let me know which text this is mentioned ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Satish

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P.S. Please look at the Foley chart if you have time, I am

> > curious to

> > > > > > read your analysis of the chart

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep,

 

I respect Chandra Hari for the enormous work he has done in connection

with Ayanamsha. His views do have a point there. The problem is more to

do with why to consider that this measure must relate to Sun's movement

through 360 degrees and not 360 ahoratras. We must remember that umpteen

times the sages have enjoined upon us to calculate the position of

planets by siddhanta and then recheck that with drik ganita (Visual

checking mathematical methods). I think this is so as they were aware of

the precession of equinox and the reason for it and knew that the right

positions from earth have to be considered for the science that they

developed for predictions. That is why they defined different years for

different purposes. That again is why the predictive science is called

Hora shastra and sages explain that the name comes from dropping the

first and the last letter of the word "Ahoratra", indicating the time

measure for this science be based on ahoratra which is what is called

the Saavana day. There is a difference between the length of Saavana day

and that of return of Sun to the same degree and that is why there is a

difference between the calculations of Vimshottari dashas, which gets

greater as the age of the jataka increases.

 

While talking of the Divya days the Linga Purana specifically talks

about Divya Ahoratra (Sunrise to Sunrise) : "etadivyamahoraatramitilinge

tu paThyate". I am sure that those who have read and used the older

methods of calculating and casting horoscopes know that the time of

birth is always mentioned as so many Ghatis. Palas etc. after Sunrise. I

am sure this is a good enough indication that Saavana day is to be used

for calculations of Vimshottari or any other dasha for the purposes of

predictions, even for those who do not want to rely on Sage Narada.

 

I am sure this will make my opinion in the matter clear. Anyway, an even

better method would be to apply both or any other variation of

calculations and to apply the principles of Vimshottari dasha

interpretations to the real life charts and find out for oneself.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>

> Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation.

> As you say you have Narada Purana to support your views.

> Regarding your views on day of GOD's shri Chandrahari had given a

> clarification to me.Kindly see it.

>

> ''Radius vector of the planet is used in deriving the longitudes on a

> circle of 360 degree in arc duration or 21600 minutes which is equal

> to the number of breaths in a day. All time notions are founded on the

> rotation of the earth through 21600 minutes of arc or prana. Obviously

> a year must mean the revolution of sun through 21600 arcs and then

> only a geometric orbit is completed.

>

> Look at the Zodiac. 21600 minutes of arc are 21600 prana foR Surya

> (Kalapurushan).360x21600' = 1296000' is the God's year as per puranas.

> (360 years)''.

>

> I am open to all views before arriving at Truth.Your view on zero or

> beginning point of Zodiac may also be appreciated.

>

> Respect

> Pradeep

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> >

> > There are primarily 9 types of years that were given by the hindu

> > astronomers that is the /Brahma, Daiva, Maanusha, Pitrya, Saur,

> Saavana,

> > Chaandra, Nakshtra and Guru years are the 9 types/ and of these 5

> are in

> > use even to this day. The five in use are Saur, Saavana, Naakshatra,

> > Chaandra and the Guru years. While some years are related to annual

> > return of a graha to a certain fixed positions, others are related to

> > the time taken by them to travel certain distance based on degrees or

> > return to horizon being treated as a day and 12 months of 30 such days

> > each making a year. Saur year is dependent on ingress of Sun in a sign,

> > Saavana relates to 12 months of 30 days, day length being measured from

> > sunrise to sunrise, Naakshatra relates to 12 months each measuring the

> > time taking for Moon to transit Ashwini to Ashwini. Or the time

> taken by

> > Chandra to traverse all 27 nakshatras 12 times. Chaandra relates to 12

> > months of 30 tithis each and Guru relates to the 60 year cycle of Guru

> > consisting of 60 years or Samvatsaras, so the annual return of Guru is

> > used for the Samvatsara calculation. I have given only the general

> > definition of the years/ months here.

> >

> > Saur year is used to rituals related to Eclipse, prediction and progeny

> > is based on Saavana, Rains and cloud seeding is calculated through

> > naakshatra year, Travels marriages, shaving of hair, Vaastu, keeping of

> > fast etc. are decided using the Chaandra year calculations and Prabhava

> > etc. samvatsara are based on the Guru Year. So says the Sage Narada in

> > his Narada Samhita.

> >

> > There is a lot of disagreement between the scholars as to which year is

> > to be used in Vimshottari dasha calculations. I prefer to go by what

> > Narada said. I have yet to see a classic define the span of year other

> > than what is given by Narada, but those more knowledgeable than me

> could

> > hold their own views on the subject. I prefer to rely on Pramana and

> > tarka and prefer to use Saavana year for calculations of Vimshottari

> and

> > all other Dashas. Those interested could also try to equate the human

> > year to the year of gods and find out whether it fits the definition of

> > Saur year or the Saavana year.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> >

> > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekahar ji

> > >

> > > I think you might have had discussed the astronomical sides of this

> > > aspect with other astrologers.Could you briefly give the Sarasnsh of

> > > of such discussions(both sides) so that i can get an overview.

> > > Siderial positions are needed so that we can always peg planetary

> > > positions to constant stellar frames -Ashwinyadi etc.

> > > But year definitions are different are for different purpose.If you

> > > can explain the Month/year definition and their correspondence to

> > > dasha calculations - supporting your version may be helpful(say w.r

> > > to progression of sun,samkramana etc).As you know this is just a

> > > request to understand the base before arriving at conclusions.I am

> > > also in touch with shri Chandrahari and getting his views.

> > >

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear David,

> > > >

> > > > The pleasure is entirely mine.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > David Andrews wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > Thank you for being so kind as to post the shlokas from Narada

> > > Samhita

> > > > > with regard to the use of the Savana years for predictions.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > David

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > > Dear David,

> > > > >

> > > > > Narada Purana is on the net, I presume but some of the shlokas

> > > have

> > > > > mistakes there in. Narada Samhita is not on the net/ e-book form.

> > > > > However I paste below the shlokas from Narada Samhita for your

> > > > > reference.The text talks about 9 years that are observed by

> > > Hindus and

> > > > > tells that 5 are still in use and gives which is to be used

> > > when. I am

> > > > > pasting only about use of the Solar year and the Savana year. If

> > > you

> > > > > desire so, I could also send the rest of the shlokas. The first

> > > line is

> > > > > in Sanskrit99 fonts and next one in ULW Palladio IT fonts. I

> > > have given

> > > > > a rough translation below.

> > > > >

> > > > > ¢h[< iniol< kay¡ g&ýte saErmant>,

> > > > >

> > > > > grahaëaà nikhilaà käryaà gåhyate sauramänataù|

> > > > >

> > > > > For all religious ceremonies, related to eclipse, Saur

> > > month/year is

> > > > > acceptable.

> > > > >

> > > > > ivxeivRxan< ôIgÉ¡ savnenEv g&ýte.3.

> > > > >

> > > > > vidhervidhänaà strégarbhaà sävanenaiva gåhyate||3||

> > > > >

> > > > > Savana month/year is to be accepted (used) for prediction of the

> > > > > writings of Brahma (predictions) and birth (literally, foetus of

> > > a woman).

> > > > >

> > > > > By the way there are similar shlokas in Davaigya Ranjan and

> > > other texts.

> > > > > Even common sense will tell that this is right as even to date

> > > > > Panchangas calculate day from Sunrise to Sunrise (Savana) and the

> > > > > calculation of man versus divine years is also based on one

> > > month of 30

> > > > > days and one year of 12 months indicating 360 Savana days. That

> > > is how

> > > > > many astrologers of my time and that of my father and those

> > > before that

> > > > > used to calculate Dashas when they had to be calculated by hand.

> > > > >

> > > > > I trust you find this in order.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > David Andrews wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar ji and Satish ji,

> > > > > > Both of you state that you use Savana years to calculate the

> > > dasa and

> > > > > > bhukhtis.

> > > > > > Chandrasekhar ji quotes Narada Samhita or Narada Purana as

> > > > > > justification for the use of the Savana year. Could

> > > Chandrasekhar ji

> > > > > > give a brief summary of the Narada Purana where use of the

> > > Savana year

> > > > > > is advised as I have no way of getting a copy of this text. If

> > > it is

> > > > > > found in a e-book somewhere could you be kind enough to lead

> > > me to the

> > > > > > link please.

> > > > > > Thank you.

> > > > > > May I also take this opportunity to wish both of you and your

> > > families

> > > > > > a Happy Diwali.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > David

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Read Narada Samhita or Narada Purana. He gives the 9 years

> > > used by

> > > > > > Hindus and tells how five of them are to be used and when. He

> > > advises

> > > > > > use of Savana year for predictions (Vidhirvidhana) and

> > > Pregnancy (Stree

> > > > > > garbha).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SPK wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chadrashekharji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I use 360 day civil year. You mention that it was advised by

> > > Narada.

> > > > > > > Could you please let me know which text this is mentioned ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Satish

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > P.S. Please look at the Foley chart if you have time, I am

> > > curious to

> > > > > > > read your analysis of the chart

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandrashekhar ji

 

As you have said 360 degrees or 360 Ahorathras is the point of

concern.

Calculations getting greater as the age increases and time measured

after sunrise etc are valid points too.

I had forgotten to tell something that Shri Chandra Hari had told

yesterday.Zero point of Zodiac its logic was one thing.Other was

proving your case with valid examples,which you too have agreed.Let

us see what response we get for your latest points.

 

Respect

Pradeep

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> I respect Chandra Hari for the enormous work he has done in

connection

> with Ayanamsha. His views do have a point there. The problem is

more to

> do with why to consider that this measure must relate to Sun's

movement

> through 360 degrees and not 360 ahoratras. We must remember that

umpteen

> times the sages have enjoined upon us to calculate the position of

> planets by siddhanta and then recheck that with drik ganita

(Visual

> checking mathematical methods). I think this is so as they were

aware of

> the precession of equinox and the reason for it and knew that the

right

> positions from earth have to be considered for the science that

they

> developed for predictions. That is why they defined different

years for

> different purposes. That again is why the predictive science is

called

> Hora shastra and sages explain that the name comes from dropping

the

> first and the last letter of the word "Ahoratra", indicating the

time

> measure for this science be based on ahoratra which is what is

called

> the Saavana day. There is a difference between the length of

Saavana day

> and that of return of Sun to the same degree and that is why there

is a

> difference between the calculations of Vimshottari dashas, which

gets

> greater as the age of the jataka increases.

>

> While talking of the Divya days the Linga Purana specifically

talks

> about Divya Ahoratra (Sunrise to

Sunrise) : "etadivyamahoraatramitilinge

> tu paThyate". I am sure that those who have read and used the

older

> methods of calculating and casting horoscopes know that the time

of

> birth is always mentioned as so many Ghatis. Palas etc. after

Sunrise. I

> am sure this is a good enough indication that Saavana day is to be

used

> for calculations of Vimshottari or any other dasha for the

purposes of

> predictions, even for those who do not want to rely on Sage Narada.

>

> I am sure this will make my opinion in the matter clear. Anyway,

an even

> better method would be to apply both or any other variation of

> calculations and to apply the principles of Vimshottari dasha

> interpretations to the real life charts and find out for oneself.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> >

> > Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation.

> > As you say you have Narada Purana to support your views.

> > Regarding your views on day of GOD's shri Chandrahari had given a

> > clarification to me.Kindly see it.

> >

> > ''Radius vector of the planet is used in deriving the longitudes

on a

> > circle of 360 degree in arc duration or 21600 minutes which is

equal

> > to the number of breaths in a day. All time notions are founded

on the

> > rotation of the earth through 21600 minutes of arc or prana.

Obviously

> > a year must mean the revolution of sun through 21600 arcs and

then

> > only a geometric orbit is completed.

> >

> > Look at the Zodiac. 21600 minutes of arc are 21600 prana foR

Surya

> > (Kalapurushan).360x21600' = 1296000' is the God's year as per

puranas.

> > (360 years)''.

> >

> > I am open to all views before arriving at Truth.Your view on

zero or

> > beginning point of Zodiac may also be appreciated.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > There are primarily 9 types of years that were given by the

hindu

> > > astronomers that is the /Brahma, Daiva, Maanusha, Pitrya, Saur,

> > Saavana,

> > > Chaandra, Nakshtra and Guru years are the 9 types/ and of

these 5

> > are in

> > > use even to this day. The five in use are Saur, Saavana,

Naakshatra,

> > > Chaandra and the Guru years. While some years are related to

annual

> > > return of a graha to a certain fixed positions, others are

related to

> > > the time taken by them to travel certain distance based on

degrees or

> > > return to horizon being treated as a day and 12 months of 30

such days

> > > each making a year. Saur year is dependent on ingress of Sun

in a sign,

> > > Saavana relates to 12 months of 30 days, day length being

measured from

> > > sunrise to sunrise, Naakshatra relates to 12 months each

measuring the

> > > time taking for Moon to transit Ashwini to Ashwini. Or the time

> > taken by

> > > Chandra to traverse all 27 nakshatras 12 times. Chaandra

relates to 12

> > > months of 30 tithis each and Guru relates to the 60 year cycle

of Guru

> > > consisting of 60 years or Samvatsaras, so the annual return of

Guru is

> > > used for the Samvatsara calculation. I have given only the

general

> > > definition of the years/ months here.

> > >

> > > Saur year is used to rituals related to Eclipse, prediction

and progeny

> > > is based on Saavana, Rains and cloud seeding is calculated

through

> > > naakshatra year, Travels marriages, shaving of hair, Vaastu,

keeping of

> > > fast etc. are decided using the Chaandra year calculations and

Prabhava

> > > etc. samvatsara are based on the Guru Year. So says the Sage

Narada in

> > > his Narada Samhita.

> > >

> > > There is a lot of disagreement between the scholars as to

which year is

> > > to be used in Vimshottari dasha calculations. I prefer to go

by what

> > > Narada said. I have yet to see a classic define the span of

year other

> > > than what is given by Narada, but those more knowledgeable

than me

> > could

> > > hold their own views on the subject. I prefer to rely on

Pramana and

> > > tarka and prefer to use Saavana year for calculations of

Vimshottari

> > and

> > > all other Dashas. Those interested could also try to equate

the human

> > > year to the year of gods and find out whether it fits the

definition of

> > > Saur year or the Saavana year.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekahar ji

> > > >

> > > > I think you might have had discussed the astronomical sides

of this

> > > > aspect with other astrologers.Could you briefly give the

Sarasnsh of

> > > > of such discussions(both sides) so that i can get an

overview.

> > > > Siderial positions are needed so that we can always peg

planetary

> > > > positions to constant stellar frames -Ashwinyadi etc.

> > > > But year definitions are different are for different

purpose.If you

> > > > can explain the Month/year definition and their

correspondence to

> > > > dasha calculations - supporting your version may be helpful

(say w.r

> > > > to progression of sun,samkramana etc).As you know this is

just a

> > > > request to understand the base before arriving at

conclusions.I am

> > > > also in touch with shri Chandrahari and getting his views.

> > > >

> > > > Respect

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear David,

> > > > >

> > > > > The pleasure is entirely mine.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > David Andrews wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > Thank you for being so kind as to post the shlokas from

Narada

> > > > Samhita

> > > > > > with regard to the use of the Savana years for

predictions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > David

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear David,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Narada Purana is on the net, I presume but some of the

shlokas

> > > > have

> > > > > > mistakes there in. Narada Samhita is not on the net/ e-

book form.

> > > > > > However I paste below the shlokas from Narada Samhita

for your

> > > > > > reference.The text talks about 9 years that are observed

by

> > > > Hindus and

> > > > > > tells that 5 are still in use and gives which is to be

used

> > > > when. I am

> > > > > > pasting only about use of the Solar year and the Savana

year. If

> > > > you

> > > > > > desire so, I could also send the rest of the shlokas.

The first

> > > > line is

> > > > > > in Sanskrit99 fonts and next one in ULW Palladio IT

fonts. I

> > > > have given

> > > > > > a rough translation below.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ¢h[< iniol< kay¡ g&ýte saErmant>,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > grahaëaà nikhilaà käryaà gåhyate sauramänataù|

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For all religious ceremonies, related to eclipse, Saur

> > > > month/year is

> > > > > > acceptable.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ivxeivRxan< ôIgÉ¡ savnenEv g&ýte.3.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vidhervidhänaà strégarbhaà sävanenaiva gåhyate||3||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Savana month/year is to be accepted (used) for

prediction of the

> > > > > > writings of Brahma (predictions) and birth (literally,

foetus of

> > > > a woman).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > By the way there are similar shlokas in Davaigya Ranjan

and

> > > > other texts.

> > > > > > Even common sense will tell that this is right as even

to date

> > > > > > Panchangas calculate day from Sunrise to Sunrise

(Savana) and the

> > > > > > calculation of man versus divine years is also based on

one

> > > > month of 30

> > > > > > days and one year of 12 months indicating 360 Savana

days. That

> > > > is how

> > > > > > many astrologers of my time and that of my father and

those

> > > > before that

> > > > > > used to calculate Dashas when they had to be calculated

by hand.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I trust you find this in order.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > David Andrews wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar ji and Satish ji,

> > > > > > > Both of you state that you use Savana years to

calculate the

> > > > dasa and

> > > > > > > bhukhtis.

> > > > > > > Chandrasekhar ji quotes Narada Samhita or Narada

Purana as

> > > > > > > justification for the use of the Savana year. Could

> > > > Chandrasekhar ji

> > > > > > > give a brief summary of the Narada Purana where use of

the

> > > > Savana year

> > > > > > > is advised as I have no way of getting a copy of this

text. If

> > > > it is

> > > > > > > found in a e-book somewhere could you be kind enough

to lead

> > > > me to the

> > > > > > > link please.

> > > > > > > Thank you.

> > > > > > > May I also take this opportunity to wish both of you

and your

> > > > families

> > > > > > > a Happy Diwali.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > David

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Read Narada Samhita or Narada Purana. He gives the 9

years

> > > > used by

> > > > > > > Hindus and tells how five of them are to be used and

when. He

> > > > advises

> > > > > > > use of Savana year for predictions (Vidhirvidhana) and

> > > > Pregnancy (Stree

> > > > > > > garbha).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SPK wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chadrashekharji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I use 360 day civil year. You mention that it was

advised by

> > > > Narada.

> > > > > > > > Could you please let me know which text this is

mentioned ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Satish

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > P.S. Please look at the Foley chart if you have

time, I am

> > > > curious to

> > > > > > > > read your analysis of the chart

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep,

 

Yes. I have always thought that the proof of the pudding is in eating.

So the best way out would be for the dasha systems to be applied per

Parashari principles and find out for oneself. I have got fairly good

results with 360 Savana days year, but this could be due to the fact

that, 1. I believe in pramana and 2. I have used this system from the

time I learnt Jyotish and might have unknowingly developed (though I

doubt that) parameters that lead me to near right predictions. That is

why I suggested that one use the 360 Savana day year for himself and

find out its relevance. In the realm of knowledge one has to find one's

own path, especially when there is a doubt about which path to follow.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>

> As you have said 360 degrees or 360 Ahorathras is the point of

> concern.

> Calculations getting greater as the age increases and time measured

> after sunrise etc are valid points too.

> I had forgotten to tell something that Shri Chandra Hari had told

> yesterday.Zero point of Zodiac its logic was one thing.Other was

> proving your case with valid examples,which you too have agreed.Let

> us see what response we get for your latest points.

>

> Respect

> Pradeep

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> >

> > I respect Chandra Hari for the enormous work he has done in

> connection

> > with Ayanamsha. His views do have a point there. The problem is

> more to

> > do with why to consider that this measure must relate to Sun's

> movement

> > through 360 degrees and not 360 ahoratras. We must remember that

> umpteen

> > times the sages have enjoined upon us to calculate the position of

> > planets by siddhanta and then recheck that with drik ganita

> (Visual

> > checking mathematical methods). I think this is so as they were

> aware of

> > the precession of equinox and the reason for it and knew that the

> right

> > positions from earth have to be considered for the science that

> they

> > developed for predictions. That is why they defined different

> years for

> > different purposes. That again is why the predictive science is

> called

> > Hora shastra and sages explain that the name comes from dropping

> the

> > first and the last letter of the word "Ahoratra", indicating the

> time

> > measure for this science be based on ahoratra which is what is

> called

> > the Saavana day. There is a difference between the length of

> Saavana day

> > and that of return of Sun to the same degree and that is why there

> is a

> > difference between the calculations of Vimshottari dashas, which

> gets

> > greater as the age of the jataka increases.

> >

> > While talking of the Divya days the Linga Purana specifically

> talks

> > about Divya Ahoratra (Sunrise to

> Sunrise) : "etadivyamahoraatramitilinge

> > tu paThyate". I am sure that those who have read and used the

> older

> > methods of calculating and casting horoscopes know that the time

> of

> > birth is always mentioned as so many Ghatis. Palas etc. after

> Sunrise. I

> > am sure this is a good enough indication that Saavana day is to be

> used

> > for calculations of Vimshottari or any other dasha for the

> purposes of

> > predictions, even for those who do not want to rely on Sage Narada.

> >

> > I am sure this will make my opinion in the matter clear. Anyway,

> an even

> > better method would be to apply both or any other variation of

> > calculations and to apply the principles of Vimshottari dasha

> > interpretations to the real life charts and find out for oneself.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation.

> > > As you say you have Narada Purana to support your views.

> > > Regarding your views on day of GOD's shri Chandrahari had given a

> > > clarification to me.Kindly see it.

> > >

> > > ''Radius vector of the planet is used in deriving the longitudes

> on a

> > > circle of 360 degree in arc duration or 21600 minutes which is

> equal

> > > to the number of breaths in a day. All time notions are founded

> on the

> > > rotation of the earth through 21600 minutes of arc or prana.

> Obviously

> > > a year must mean the revolution of sun through 21600 arcs and

> then

> > > only a geometric orbit is completed.

> > >

> > > Look at the Zodiac. 21600 minutes of arc are 21600 prana foR

> Surya

> > > (Kalapurushan).360x21600' = 1296000' is the God's year as per

> puranas.

> > > (360 years)''.

> > >

> > > I am open to all views before arriving at Truth.Your view on

> zero or

> > > beginning point of Zodiac may also be appreciated.

> > >

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > There are primarily 9 types of years that were given by the

> hindu

> > > > astronomers that is the /Brahma, Daiva, Maanusha, Pitrya, Saur,

> > > Saavana,

> > > > Chaandra, Nakshtra and Guru years are the 9 types/ and of

> these 5

> > > are in

> > > > use even to this day. The five in use are Saur, Saavana,

> Naakshatra,

> > > > Chaandra and the Guru years. While some years are related to

> annual

> > > > return of a graha to a certain fixed positions, others are

> related to

> > > > the time taken by them to travel certain distance based on

> degrees or

> > > > return to horizon being treated as a day and 12 months of 30

> such days

> > > > each making a year. Saur year is dependent on ingress of Sun

> in a sign,

> > > > Saavana relates to 12 months of 30 days, day length being

> measured from

> > > > sunrise to sunrise, Naakshatra relates to 12 months each

> measuring the

> > > > time taking for Moon to transit Ashwini to Ashwini. Or the time

> > > taken by

> > > > Chandra to traverse all 27 nakshatras 12 times. Chaandra

> relates to 12

> > > > months of 30 tithis each and Guru relates to the 60 year cycle

> of Guru

> > > > consisting of 60 years or Samvatsaras, so the annual return of

> Guru is

> > > > used for the Samvatsara calculation. I have given only the

> general

> > > > definition of the years/ months here.

> > > >

> > > > Saur year is used to rituals related to Eclipse, prediction

> and progeny

> > > > is based on Saavana, Rains and cloud seeding is calculated

> through

> > > > naakshatra year, Travels marriages, shaving of hair, Vaastu,

> keeping of

> > > > fast etc. are decided using the Chaandra year calculations and

> Prabhava

> > > > etc. samvatsara are based on the Guru Year. So says the Sage

> Narada in

> > > > his Narada Samhita.

> > > >

> > > > There is a lot of disagreement between the scholars as to

> which year is

> > > > to be used in Vimshottari dasha calculations. I prefer to go

> by what

> > > > Narada said. I have yet to see a classic define the span of

> year other

> > > > than what is given by Narada, but those more knowledgeable

> than me

> > > could

> > > > hold their own views on the subject. I prefer to rely on

> Pramana and

> > > > tarka and prefer to use Saavana year for calculations of

> Vimshottari

> > > and

> > > > all other Dashas. Those interested could also try to equate

> the human

> > > > year to the year of gods and find out whether it fits the

> definition of

> > > > Saur year or the Saavana year.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekahar ji

> > > > >

> > > > > I think you might have had discussed the astronomical sides

> of this

> > > > > aspect with other astrologers.Could you briefly give the

> Sarasnsh of

> > > > > of such discussions(both sides) so that i can get an

> overview.

> > > > > Siderial positions are needed so that we can always peg

> planetary

> > > > > positions to constant stellar frames -Ashwinyadi etc.

> > > > > But year definitions are different are for different

> purpose.If you

> > > > > can explain the Month/year definition and their

> correspondence to

> > > > > dasha calculations - supporting your version may be helpful

> (say w.r

> > > > > to progression of sun,samkramana etc).As you know this is

> just a

> > > > > request to understand the base before arriving at

> conclusions.I am

> > > > > also in touch with shri Chandrahari and getting his views.

> > > > >

> > > > > Respect

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear David,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The pleasure is entirely mine.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > David Andrews wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Chandrasekhar ji,

> > > > > > > Thank you for being so kind as to post the shlokas from

> Narada

> > > > > Samhita

> > > > > > > with regard to the use of the Savana years for

> predictions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > David

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear David,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Narada Purana is on the net, I presume but some of the

> shlokas

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > mistakes there in. Narada Samhita is not on the net/ e-

> book form.

> > > > > > > However I paste below the shlokas from Narada Samhita

> for your

> > > > > > > reference.The text talks about 9 years that are observed

> by

> > > > > Hindus and

> > > > > > > tells that 5 are still in use and gives which is to be

> used

> > > > > when. I am

> > > > > > > pasting only about use of the Solar year and the Savana

> year. If

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > desire so, I could also send the rest of the shlokas.

> The first

> > > > > line is

> > > > > > > in Sanskrit99 fonts and next one in ULW Palladio IT

> fonts. I

> > > > > have given

> > > > > > > a rough translation below.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ¢h[< iniol< kay¡ g&ýte saErmant>,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > grahaëaà nikhilaà käryaà gåhyate sauramänataù|

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For all religious ceremonies, related to eclipse, Saur

> > > > > month/year is

> > > > > > > acceptable.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ivxeivRxan< ôIgÉ¡ savnenEv g&ýte.3.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vidhervidhänaà strégarbhaà sävanenaiva gåhyate||3||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Savana month/year is to be accepted (used) for

> prediction of the

> > > > > > > writings of Brahma (predictions) and birth (literally,

> foetus of

> > > > > a woman).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > By the way there are similar shlokas in Davaigya Ranjan

> and

> > > > > other texts.

> > > > > > > Even common sense will tell that this is right as even

> to date

> > > > > > > Panchangas calculate day from Sunrise to Sunrise

> (Savana) and the

> > > > > > > calculation of man versus divine years is also based on

> one

> > > > > month of 30

> > > > > > > days and one year of 12 months indicating 360 Savana

> days. That

> > > > > is how

> > > > > > > many astrologers of my time and that of my father and

> those

> > > > > before that

> > > > > > > used to calculate Dashas when they had to be calculated

> by hand.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I trust you find this in order.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > David Andrews wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar ji and Satish ji,

> > > > > > > > Both of you state that you use Savana years to

> calculate the

> > > > > dasa and

> > > > > > > > bhukhtis.

> > > > > > > > Chandrasekhar ji quotes Narada Samhita or Narada

> Purana as

> > > > > > > > justification for the use of the Savana year. Could

> > > > > Chandrasekhar ji

> > > > > > > > give a brief summary of the Narada Purana where use of

> the

> > > > > Savana year

> > > > > > > > is advised as I have no way of getting a copy of this

> text. If

> > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > found in a e-book somewhere could you be kind enough

> to lead

> > > > > me to the

> > > > > > > > link please.

> > > > > > > > Thank you.

> > > > > > > > May I also take this opportunity to wish both of you

> and your

> > > > > families

> > > > > > > > a Happy Diwali.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > David

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Read Narada Samhita or Narada Purana. He gives the 9

> years

> > > > > used by

> > > > > > > > Hindus and tells how five of them are to be used and

> when. He

> > > > > advises

> > > > > > > > use of Savana year for predictions (Vidhirvidhana) and

> > > > > Pregnancy (Stree

> > > > > > > > garbha).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > SPK wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chadrashekharji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I use 360 day civil year. You mention that it was

> advised by

> > > > > Narada.

> > > > > > > > > Could you please let me know which text this is

> mentioned ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Satish

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > P.S. Please look at the Foley chart if you have

> time, I am

> > > > > curious to

> > > > > > > > > read your analysis of the chart

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >