Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Dear Sir, You are mixing up messages and threads! What is Crystal Clear as always are the golden and deep purple in your aura that represent the highest expression of Mars, Jupiter and Sun when they decide to work together for others... Does this make sense? RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Sir, > We wait for more. > Infact, rarely are you guilty of overexplaining as you mentioned in > another message! > So explain on please.. > rishi > > > > , "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo@> > wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > Gustakhi maaf! > > > > But by any chance are you talking about the times when Rahu-Ketu > > (true nodes) go direct? > > > > Please enlighten. > > > > Regards, > > Nandini. > > > > , "Rohiniranjan" > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Matthias (Vedicdragon), > > > > > > Very well written piece on retrogrades. You could also include > the > > > example of moon which does not go retrograde (because it > encircles > > > the earth and is always faster than earth). > > > > > > As far as your comparison between astronomy and astrology, you > are > > > right, astrology needs astronomy, not the other way. However > > > knowledge of astronomy alone hardly helps one with astrology. Let > > me > > > give an analogy. > > > > > > Astronomy is like the diving board. One needs it to jump up and > > dive > > > into water but once in the water, if one does not know how to > swim > > > (astrology) that diving board is not of much help ;-) > > > > > > Though -- actually sun and moon both have retrograde motions! > This > > is > > > not explicitly stated in astrology books, modern or classics!! > > > > > > If you are interested, I will write more as I do not wish to take > > up > > > too much space if not interested :-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , "vedicdragon" <vedic@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > , "ashwin_062k" > > > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > First of all I would like to say that I am novice to both > > > astrology > > > > > and astronomy. In the recent months, I have started to try to > > > > > understand this great science of astrology and astronomy. I > > > > > understand that both are inter-related to each other. Correct > > me > > > if > > > > > I am wrong. > > > > > > > > > > As far, I understand that certain planets retrogate in their > > > motion > > > > > for a period of time, as detailed in the Vedic astrology. That > > > > > means that the planets do have a regular motion, stationary > > days > > > and > > > > > retrogade motion. > > > > > > > > > > Is there any reference about this retrograte motion of > planets > > in > > > > > the astronomy? or am I missing some thing here, conceptually. > > > > > Please throw some light on this. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > As far as I understand your question, the core of it is about > > > linking the principles of > > > > astronomy to astrology. Of course there is a reference between > > the > > > retrograde motion of a > > > > planet and astronomy, as astrology is interpreting the eternal > > > movement of planets in God > > > > ´s universe. > > > > But, you hopefully won´t believe the planets themselves to stop > > > moving and move > > > > reversely, do you? If that should ever happen, the universe > > > certainly were to burst. > > > > The trick here is that ANY astrological system necessarily is > > based > > > on a geocentric view of > > > > affairs. The RELATIVE motion of the earth as RELATED to the > > other > > > planets creates the > > > > impression of "retrograde" planets as viewed from the EARTH. > > It´s > > > thus not only a matter > > > > of motion or track speed of the earth and the rest of the > > planets, > > > but also of viewing > > > > angles. At certain times of the year, the earth seems to > > overtake > > > any given other planet - > > > > except for the sun (which is not a planet, of course) - as > > related > > > to its own apparent > > > > motion in a given sign, yielding the impression of retrograde > > > motion of that specific > > > > planet. > > > > Can you explain yourself why the sun will NEVER be in > retrograde > > > mode? > > > > If you were to watch, let´s say, mercury, which will be > > retrograde > > > within a few days, every > > > > day from now on, you´d have the impression of its retrograde > > motion > > > in certain times of > > > > the year within the sign of your observance. > > > > Difficult or simple? > > > > Retrograde planets - from an astronomical point of view - are > > > therefore only an illusion. > > > > > > > > Anyway, astrology has assigned certain properties to retrograde > > > planets, giving valuable > > > > additional information. > > > > > > > > I would also not say that astrology and astronomy are > > interrelated, > > > as astronomy won´t > > > > "need" astrology, whereas astrology would be nothing withoug > > > astronomy´s laws of > > > > planetary motion. Astrology is therefore depending on > astronomy, > > > but not vice versa, and > > > > therefore there´s no MUTUAL dependency or relationship. > > > > > > > > Anyway, though, in the ancient ages astrology was said to be > > > the "queen of sciences", > > > > because an astrologist needed profound knowledge of astronomy, > > > mathematics (they > > > > couldn´t use the computer to calculate the charts ;-)), and > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards and good speed with your new hobbies, > > > > > > > > > > > > Matthias > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Blessings, Ranjanda, are always needed and gratefully accepted. Some mixing is always good while experimenting! We were waiting for further elaboration on the retrograde motions, particularly of Sun and the Moon. Rishi --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: > Dear Sir, > > You are mixing up messages and threads! > > What is Crystal Clear as always are the golden and > deep purple in > your aura that represent the highest expression of > Mars, Jupiter and > Sun when they decide to work together for others... > > Does this make sense? > > RR > > , > "rishi_2000in" > <rishi_2000in wrote: > > > > Sir, > > We wait for more. > > Infact, rarely are you guilty of overexplaining as > you mentioned in > > another message! > > So explain on please.. > > rishi > > > > > > > > , > "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > Gustakhi maaf! > > > > > > But by any chance are you talking about the > times when Rahu-Ketu > > > (true nodes) go direct? > > > > > > Please enlighten. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Nandini. > > > > > > , > "Rohiniranjan" > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Matthias (Vedicdragon), > > > > > > > > Very well written piece on retrogrades. You > could also include > > the > > > > example of moon which does not go retrograde > (because it > > encircles > > > > the earth and is always faster than earth). > > > > > > > > As far as your comparison between astronomy > and astrology, you > > are > > > > right, astrology needs astronomy, not the > other way. However > > > > knowledge of astronomy alone hardly helps one > with astrology. > Let > > > me > > > > give an analogy. > > > > > > > > Astronomy is like the diving board. One needs > it to jump up and > > > dive > > > > into water but once in the water, if one does > not know how to > > swim > > > > (astrology) that diving board is not of much > help ;-) > > > > > > > > Though -- actually sun and moon both have > retrograde motions! > > This > > > is > > > > not explicitly stated in astrology books, > modern or classics!! > > > > > > > > If you are interested, I will write more as I > do not wish to > take > > > up > > > > too much space if not interested :-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , > "vedicdragon" <vedic@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > , > "ashwin_062k" > > > > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all I would like to say that I am > novice to both > > > > astrology > > > > > > and astronomy. In the recent months, I > have started to try > to > > > > > > understand this great science of astrology > and astronomy. I > > > > > > understand that both are inter-related to > each other. > Correct > > > me > > > > if > > > > > > I am wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > As far, I understand that certain planets > retrogate in > their > > > > motion > > > > > > for a period of time, as detailed in the > Vedic astrology. > That > > > > > > means that the planets do have a regular > motion, stationary > > > days > > > > and > > > > > > retrogade motion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there any reference about this > retrograte motion of > > planets > > > in > > > > > > the astronomy? or am I missing some thing > here, > conceptually. > > > > > > Please throw some light on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > As far as I understand your question, the > core of it is about > > > > linking the principles of > > > > > astronomy to astrology. Of course there is a > reference > between > > > the > > > > retrograde motion of a > > > > > planet and astronomy, as astrology is > interpreting the > eternal > > > > movement of planets in God > > > > > ´s universe. > > > > > But, you hopefully won´t believe the planets > themselves to > stop > > > > moving and move > > > > > reversely, do you? If that should ever > happen, the universe > > > > certainly were to burst. > > > > > The trick here is that ANY astrological > system necessarily is > > > based > > > > on a geocentric view of > > > > > affairs. The RELATIVE motion of the earth as > RELATED to the > > > other > > > > planets creates the > > > > > impression of "retrograde" planets as viewed > from the EARTH. > > > It´s > > > > thus not only a matter > > > > > of motion or track speed of the earth and > the rest of the > > > planets, > > > > but also of viewing > > > > > angles. At certain times of the year, the > earth seems to > > > overtake > > > > any given other planet - > > > > > except for the sun (which is not a planet, > of course) - as > > > related > > > > to its own apparent > > > > > motion in a given sign, yielding the > impression of retrograde > > > > motion of that specific > > > > > planet. > > > > > Can you explain yourself why the sun will > NEVER be in > > retrograde > > > > mode? > > > > > If you were to watch, let´s say, mercury, > which === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Dear RR, Unfortunately, being a novice to this forum, I don´t know who "hides" behind "RR". Anyway, thanks for your compliments on my posting. Thank you also for mentioning the role of the moon! I fully agree with your opinion that astronomy alone won´t help in astrology. I just wanted to shed some light on the astronomical basis of astrology.... Yes, indeed I would like to know more about retrograde states of sun and moon. I must admit that this seems very strange to me, and JUST BECAUSE of this I would like to learn more... Thank you by now! Best regards, Matthias , rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Blessings, Ranjanda, are always needed and gratefully > accepted. > > Some mixing is always good while experimenting! > We were waiting for further elaboration on the > retrograde motions, particularly of Sun and the Moon. > > Rishi > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > Dear Sir, > > > > You are mixing up messages and threads! > > > > What is Crystal Clear as always are the golden and > > deep purple in > > your aura that represent the highest expression of > > Mars, Jupiter and > > Sun when they decide to work together for others... > > > > Does this make sense? > > > > RR > > > > , > > "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > We wait for more. > > > Infact, rarely are you guilty of overexplaining as > > you mentioned in > > > another message! > > > So explain on please.. > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > Gustakhi maaf! > > > > > > > > But by any chance are you talking about the > > times when Rahu-Ketu > > > > (true nodes) go direct? > > > > > > > > Please enlighten. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nandini. > > > > > > > > , > > "Rohiniranjan" > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Matthias (Vedicdragon), > > > > > > > > > > Very well written piece on retrogrades. You > > could also include > > > the > > > > > example of moon which does not go retrograde > > (because it > > > encircles > > > > > the earth and is always faster than earth). > > > > > > > > > > As far as your comparison between astronomy > > and astrology, you > > > are > > > > > right, astrology needs astronomy, not the > > other way. However > > > > > knowledge of astronomy alone hardly helps one > > with astrology. > > Let > > > > me > > > > > give an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > Astronomy is like the diving board. One needs > > it to jump up and > > > > dive > > > > > into water but once in the water, if one does > > not know how to > > > swim > > > > > (astrology) that diving board is not of much > > help ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Though -- actually sun and moon both have > > retrograde motions! > > > This > > > > is > > > > > not explicitly stated in astrology books, > > modern or classics!! > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, I will write more as I > > do not wish to > > take > > > > up > > > > > too much space if not interested :-) > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > "vedicdragon" <vedic@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > "ashwin_062k" > > > > > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all I would like to say that I am > > novice to both > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > and astronomy. In the recent months, I > > have started to try > > to > > > > > > > understand this great science of astrology > > and astronomy. I > > > > > > > understand that both are inter-related to > > each other. > > Correct > > > > me > > > > > if > > > > > > > I am wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far, I understand that certain planets > > retrogate in > > their > > > > > motion > > > > > > > for a period of time, as detailed in the > > Vedic astrology. > > That > > > > > > > means that the planets do have a regular > > motion, stationary > > > > days > > > > > and > > > > > > > retrogade motion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there any reference about this > > retrograte motion of > > > planets > > > > in > > > > > > > the astronomy? or am I missing some thing > > here, > > conceptually. > > > > > > > Please throw some light on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I understand your question, the > > core of it is about > > > > > linking the principles of > > > > > > astronomy to astrology. Of course there is a > > reference > > between > > > > the > > > > > retrograde motion of a > > > > > > planet and astronomy, as astrology is > > interpreting the > > eternal > > > > > movement of planets in God > > > > > > ´s universe. > > > > > > But, you hopefully won´t believe the planets > > themselves to > > stop > > > > > moving and move > > > > > > reversely, do you? If that should ever > > happen, the universe > > > > > certainly were to burst. > > > > > > The trick here is that ANY astrological > > system necessarily is > > > > based > > > > > on a geocentric view of > > > > > > affairs. The RELATIVE motion of the earth as > > RELATED to the > > > > other > > > > > planets creates the > > > > > > impression of "retrograde" planets as viewed > > from the EARTH. > > > > It´s > > > > > thus not only a matter > > > > > > of motion or track speed of the earth and > > the rest of the > > > > planets, > > > > > but also of viewing > > > > > > angles. At certain times of the year, the > > earth seems to > > > > overtake > > > > > any given other planet - > > > > > > except for the sun (which is not a planet, > > of course) - as > > > > related > > > > > to its own apparent > > > > > > motion in a given sign, yielding the > > impression of retrograde > > > > > motion of that specific > > > > > > planet. > > > > > > Can you explain yourself why the sun will > > NEVER be in > > > retrograde > > > > > mode? > > > > > > If you were to watch, let´s say, mercury, > > which > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 RR is just my initials. My name is Rohiniranjan :-) RR , "vedicdragon" <vedic wrote: > > Dear RR, > > Unfortunately, being a novice to this forum, I don´t know who "hides" behind "RR". > Anyway, thanks for your compliments on my posting. Thank you also for mentioning the > role of the moon! > I fully agree with your opinion that astronomy alone won´t help in astrology. I just wanted > to shed some light on the astronomical basis of astrology.... > Yes, indeed I would like to know more about retrograde states of sun and moon. I must > admit that this seems very strange to me, and JUST BECAUSE of this I would like to learn > more... > Thank you by now! > > Best regards, > > Matthias > > > > , rishi shukla <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Blessings, Ranjanda, are always needed and gratefully > > accepted. > > > > Some mixing is always good while experimenting! > > We were waiting for further elaboration on the > > retrograde motions, particularly of Sun and the Moon. > > > > Rishi > > > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > You are mixing up messages and threads! > > > > > > What is Crystal Clear as always are the golden and > > > deep purple in > > > your aura that represent the highest expression of > > > Mars, Jupiter and > > > Sun when they decide to work together for others... > > > > > > Does this make sense? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , > > > "rishi_2000in" > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > We wait for more. > > > > Infact, rarely are you guilty of overexplaining as > > > you mentioned in > > > > another message! > > > > So explain on please.. > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > Gustakhi maaf! > > > > > > > > > > But by any chance are you talking about the > > > times when Rahu-Ketu > > > > > (true nodes) go direct? > > > > > > > > > > Please enlighten. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Nandini. > > > > > > > > > > , > > > "Rohiniranjan" > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Matthias (Vedicdragon), > > > > > > > > > > > > Very well written piece on retrogrades. You > > > could also include > > > > the > > > > > > example of moon which does not go retrograde > > > (because it > > > > encircles > > > > > > the earth and is always faster than earth). > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as your comparison between astronomy > > > and astrology, you > > > > are > > > > > > right, astrology needs astronomy, not the > > > other way. However > > > > > > knowledge of astronomy alone hardly helps one > > > with astrology. > > > Let > > > > > me > > > > > > give an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Astronomy is like the diving board. One needs > > > it to jump up and > > > > > dive > > > > > > into water but once in the water, if one does > > > not know how to > > > > swim > > > > > > (astrology) that diving board is not of much > > > help ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Though -- actually sun and moon both have > > > retrograde motions! > > > > This > > > > > is > > > > > > not explicitly stated in astrology books, > > > modern or classics!! > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, I will write more as I > > > do not wish to > > > take > > > > > up > > > > > > too much space if not interested :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > "vedicdragon" <vedic@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > "ashwin_062k" > > > > > > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all I would like to say that I am > > > novice to both > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > and astronomy. In the recent months, I > > > have started to try > > > to > > > > > > > > understand this great science of astrology > > > and astronomy. I > > > > > > > > understand that both are inter-related to > > > each other. > > > Correct > > > > > me > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > I am wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far, I understand that certain planets > > > retrogate in > > > their > > > > > > motion > > > > > > > > for a period of time, as detailed in the > > > Vedic astrology. > > > That > > > > > > > > means that the planets do have a regular > > > motion, stationary > > > > > days > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > retrogade motion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there any reference about this > > > retrograte motion of > > > > planets > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the astronomy? or am I missing some thing > > > here, > > > conceptually. > > > > > > > > Please throw some light on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I understand your question, the > > > core of it is about > > > > > > linking the principles of > > > > > > > astronomy to astrology. Of course there is a > > > reference > > > between > > > > > the > > > > > > retrograde motion of a > > > > > > > planet and astronomy, as astrology is > > > interpreting the > > > eternal > > > > > > movement of planets in God > > > > > > > ´s universe. > > > > > > > But, you hopefully won´t believe the planets > > > themselves to > > > stop > > > > > > moving and move > > > > > > > reversely, do you? If that should ever > > > happen, the universe > > > > > > certainly were to burst. > > > > > > > The trick here is that ANY astrological > > > system necessarily is > > > > > based > > > > > > on a geocentric view of > > > > > > > affairs. The RELATIVE motion of the earth as > > > RELATED to the > > > > > other > > > > > > planets creates the > > > > > > > impression of "retrograde" planets as viewed > > > from the EARTH. > > > > > It´s > > > > > > thus not only a matter > > > > > > > of motion or track speed of the earth and > > > the rest of the > > > > > planets, > > > > > > but also of viewing > > > > > > > angles. At certain times of the year, the > > > earth seems to > > > > > overtake > > > > > > any given other planet - > > > > > > > except for the sun (which is not a planet, > > > of course) - as > > > > > related > > > > > > to its own apparent > > > > > > > motion in a given sign, yielding the > > > impression of retrograde > > > > > > motion of that specific > > > > > > > planet. > > > > > > > Can you explain yourself why the sun will > > > NEVER be in > > > > retrograde > > > > > > mode? > > > > > > > If you were to watch, let´s say, mercury, > > > which > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 You sound sceptical, Rishi :-) It is all in the vantage. Unlike the maya of its linkage with actual bodies (astronomy) to some extent (rahu and ketu and upagrahas etc), astrology exists in mental realm, mental reality! Many jyotishis close their eyes in cogniscence of that reality when they mull over the charts and make their synthetic pronouncements! Not all, obviously! I say that with absolute directness and no hidden meaning or interpretations necessary or the matter will become more convoluted than it ever was supposed to be even in classics and hence presumably by Sages. RR , rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Blessings, Ranjanda, are always needed and gratefully > accepted. > > Some mixing is always good while experimenting! > We were waiting for further elaboration on the > retrograde motions, particularly of Sun and the Moon. > > Rishi > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > Dear Sir, > > > > You are mixing up messages and threads! > > > > What is Crystal Clear as always are the golden and > > deep purple in > > your aura that represent the highest expression of > > Mars, Jupiter and > > Sun when they decide to work together for others... > > > > Does this make sense? > > > > RR > > > > , > > "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > We wait for more. > > > Infact, rarely are you guilty of overexplaining as > > you mentioned in > > > another message! > > > So explain on please.. > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > Gustakhi maaf! > > > > > > > > But by any chance are you talking about the > > times when Rahu-Ketu > > > > (true nodes) go direct? > > > > > > > > Please enlighten. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nandini. > > > > > > > > , > > "Rohiniranjan" > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Matthias (Vedicdragon), > > > > > > > > > > Very well written piece on retrogrades. You > > could also include > > > the > > > > > example of moon which does not go retrograde > > (because it > > > encircles > > > > > the earth and is always faster than earth). > > > > > > > > > > As far as your comparison between astronomy > > and astrology, you > > > are > > > > > right, astrology needs astronomy, not the > > other way. However > > > > > knowledge of astronomy alone hardly helps one > > with astrology. > > Let > > > > me > > > > > give an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > Astronomy is like the diving board. One needs > > it to jump up and > > > > dive > > > > > into water but once in the water, if one does > > not know how to > > > swim > > > > > (astrology) that diving board is not of much > > help ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Though -- actually sun and moon both have > > retrograde motions! > > > This > > > > is > > > > > not explicitly stated in astrology books, > > modern or classics!! > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, I will write more as I > > do not wish to > > take > > > > up > > > > > too much space if not interested :-) > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > "vedicdragon" <vedic@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > "ashwin_062k" > > > > > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all I would like to say that I am > > novice to both > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > and astronomy. In the recent months, I > > have started to try > > to > > > > > > > understand this great science of astrology > > and astronomy. I > > > > > > > understand that both are inter-related to > > each other. > > Correct > > > > me > > > > > if > > > > > > > I am wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far, I understand that certain planets > > retrogate in > > their > > > > > motion > > > > > > > for a period of time, as detailed in the > > Vedic astrology. > > That > > > > > > > means that the planets do have a regular > > motion, stationary > > > > days > > > > > and > > > > > > > retrogade motion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there any reference about this > > retrograte motion of > > > planets > > > > in > > > > > > > the astronomy? or am I missing some thing > > here, > > conceptually. > > > > > > > Please throw some light on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I understand your question, the > > core of it is about > > > > > linking the principles of > > > > > > astronomy to astrology. Of course there is a > > reference > > between > > > > the > > > > > retrograde motion of a > > > > > > planet and astronomy, as astrology is > > interpreting the > > eternal > > > > > movement of planets in God > > > > > > ´s universe. > > > > > > But, you hopefully won´t believe the planets > > themselves to > > stop > > > > > moving and move > > > > > > reversely, do you? If that should ever > > happen, the universe > > > > > certainly were to burst. > > > > > > The trick here is that ANY astrological > > system necessarily is > > > > based > > > > > on a geocentric view of > > > > > > affairs. The RELATIVE motion of the earth as > > RELATED to the > > > > other > > > > > planets creates the > > > > > > impression of "retrograde" planets as viewed > > from the EARTH. > > > > It´s > > > > > thus not only a matter > > > > > > of motion or track speed of the earth and > > the rest of the > > > > planets, > > > > > but also of viewing > > > > > > angles. At certain times of the year, the > > earth seems to > > > > overtake > > > > > any given other planet - > > > > > > except for the sun (which is not a planet, > > of course) - as > > > > related > > > > > to its own apparent > > > > > > motion in a given sign, yielding the > > impression of retrograde > > > > > motion of that specific > > > > > > planet. > > > > > > Can you explain yourself why the sun will > > NEVER be in > > > retrograde > > > > > mode? > > > > > > If you were to watch, let´s say, mercury, > > which > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Not sceptical but eager. For all life is but about interpreting symbols, of synthesising the two realities; the physical and the mental. Carry on please .... Rishi , "Rohiniranjan" <jyotish_vani wrote: > > You sound sceptical, Rishi :-) > > It is all in the vantage. Unlike the maya of its linkage with actual > bodies (astronomy) to some extent (rahu and ketu and upagrahas etc), > astrology exists in mental realm, mental reality! Many jyotishis > close their eyes in cogniscence of that reality when they mull over > the charts and make their synthetic pronouncements! Not all, > obviously! > > I say that with absolute directness and no hidden meaning or > interpretations necessary or the matter will become more convoluted > than it ever was supposed to be even in classics and hence presumably > by Sages. > > RR > > , rishi shukla > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > Blessings, Ranjanda, are always needed and gratefully > > accepted. > > > > Some mixing is always good while experimenting! > > We were waiting for further elaboration on the > > retrograde motions, particularly of Sun and the Moon. > > > > Rishi > > > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > You are mixing up messages and threads! > > > > > > What is Crystal Clear as always are the golden and > > > deep purple in > > > your aura that represent the highest expression of > > > Mars, Jupiter and > > > Sun when they decide to work together for others... > > > > > > Does this make sense? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , > > > "rishi_2000in" > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > We wait for more. > > > > Infact, rarely are you guilty of overexplaining as > > > you mentioned in > > > > another message! > > > > So explain on please.. > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > Gustakhi maaf! > > > > > > > > > > But by any chance are you talking about the > > > times when Rahu-Ketu > > > > > (true nodes) go direct? > > > > > > > > > > Please enlighten. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Nandini. > > > > > > > > > > , > > > "Rohiniranjan" > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Matthias (Vedicdragon), > > > > > > > > > > > > Very well written piece on retrogrades. You > > > could also include > > > > the > > > > > > example of moon which does not go retrograde > > > (because it > > > > encircles > > > > > > the earth and is always faster than earth). > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as your comparison between astronomy > > > and astrology, you > > > > are > > > > > > right, astrology needs astronomy, not the > > > other way. However > > > > > > knowledge of astronomy alone hardly helps one > > > with astrology. > > > Let > > > > > me > > > > > > give an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Astronomy is like the diving board. One needs > > > it to jump up and > > > > > dive > > > > > > into water but once in the water, if one does > > > not know how to > > > > swim > > > > > > (astrology) that diving board is not of much > > > help ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Though -- actually sun and moon both have > > > retrograde motions! > > > > This > > > > > is > > > > > > not explicitly stated in astrology books, > > > modern or classics!! > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, I will write more as I > > > do not wish to > > > take > > > > > up > > > > > > too much space if not interested :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > "vedicdragon" <vedic@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > "ashwin_062k" > > > > > > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all I would like to say that I am > > > novice to both > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > and astronomy. In the recent months, I > > > have started to try > > > to > > > > > > > > understand this great science of astrology > > > and astronomy. I > > > > > > > > understand that both are inter-related to > > > each other. > > > Correct > > > > > me > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > I am wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far, I understand that certain planets > > > retrogate in > > > their > > > > > > motion > > > > > > > > for a period of time, as detailed in the > > > Vedic astrology. > > > That > > > > > > > > means that the planets do have a regular > > > motion, stationary > > > > > days > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > retrogade motion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there any reference about this > > > retrograte motion of > > > > planets > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the astronomy? or am I missing some thing > > > here, > > > conceptually. > > > > > > > > Please throw some light on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I understand your question, the > > > core of it is about > > > > > > linking the principles of > > > > > > > astronomy to astrology. Of course there is a > > > reference > > > between > > > > > the > > > > > > retrograde motion of a > > > > > > > planet and astronomy, as astrology is > > > interpreting the > > > eternal > > > > > > movement of planets in God > > > > > > > ´s universe. > > > > > > > But, you hopefully won´t believe the planets > > > themselves to > > > stop > > > > > > moving and move > > > > > > > reversely, do you? If that should ever > > > happen, the universe > > > > > > certainly were to burst. > > > > > > > The trick here is that ANY astrological > > > system necessarily is > > > > > based > > > > > > on a geocentric view of > > > > > > > affairs. The RELATIVE motion of the earth as > > > RELATED to the > > > > > other > > > > > > planets creates the > > > > > > > impression of "retrograde" planets as viewed > > > from the EARTH. > > > > > It´s > > > > > > thus not only a matter > > > > > > > of motion or track speed of the earth and > > > the rest of the > > > > > planets, > > > > > > but also of viewing > > > > > > > angles. At certain times of the year, the > > > earth seems to > > > > > overtake > > > > > > any given other planet - > > > > > > > except for the sun (which is not a planet, > > > of course) - as > > > > > related > > > > > > to its own apparent > > > > > > > motion in a given sign, yielding the > > > impression of retrograde > > > > > > motion of that specific > > > > > > > planet. > > > > > > > Can you explain yourself why the sun will > > > NEVER be in > > > > retrograde > > > > > > mode? > > > > > > > If you were to watch, let´s say, mercury, > > > which > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 you should have waited for the evening edition ;-) Maybe that would be more intelligible! RR , "rishi_2000in" <rishi_2000in wrote: > > Not sceptical but eager. > For all life is but about interpreting symbols, of synthesising the > two realities; the physical and the mental. > Carry on please .... > Rishi > > , "Rohiniranjan" > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > You sound sceptical, Rishi :-) > > > > It is all in the vantage. Unlike the maya of its linkage with > actual > > bodies (astronomy) to some extent (rahu and ketu and upagrahas > etc), > > astrology exists in mental realm, mental reality! Many jyotishis > > close their eyes in cogniscence of that reality when they mull over > > the charts and make their synthetic pronouncements! Not all, > > obviously! > > > > I say that with absolute directness and no hidden meaning or > > interpretations necessary or the matter will become more convoluted > > than it ever was supposed to be even in classics and hence > presumably > > by Sages. > > > > RR > > > > , rishi shukla > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > Blessings, Ranjanda, are always needed and gratefully > > > accepted. > > > > > > Some mixing is always good while experimenting! > > > We were waiting for further elaboration on the > > > retrograde motions, particularly of Sun and the Moon. > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > --- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > You are mixing up messages and threads! > > > > > > > > What is Crystal Clear as always are the golden and > > > > deep purple in > > > > your aura that represent the highest expression of > > > > Mars, Jupiter and > > > > Sun when they decide to work together for others... > > > > > > > > Does this make sense? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , > > > > "rishi_2000in" > > > > <rishi_2000in@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > We wait for more. > > > > > Infact, rarely are you guilty of overexplaining as > > > > you mentioned in > > > > > another message! > > > > > So explain on please.. > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > Gustakhi maaf! > > > > > > > > > > > > But by any chance are you talking about the > > > > times when Rahu-Ketu > > > > > > (true nodes) go direct? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please enlighten. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Nandini. > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > "Rohiniranjan" > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matthias (Vedicdragon), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very well written piece on retrogrades. You > > > > could also include > > > > > the > > > > > > > example of moon which does not go retrograde > > > > (because it > > > > > encircles > > > > > > > the earth and is always faster than earth). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as your comparison between astronomy > > > > and astrology, you > > > > > are > > > > > > > right, astrology needs astronomy, not the > > > > other way. However > > > > > > > knowledge of astronomy alone hardly helps one > > > > with astrology. > > > > Let > > > > > > me > > > > > > > give an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astronomy is like the diving board. One needs > > > > it to jump up and > > > > > > dive > > > > > > > into water but once in the water, if one does > > > > not know how to > > > > > swim > > > > > > > (astrology) that diving board is not of much > > > > help ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though -- actually sun and moon both have > > > > retrograde motions! > > > > > This > > > > > > is > > > > > > > not explicitly stated in astrology books, > > > > modern or classics!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, I will write more as I > > > > do not wish to > > > > take > > > > > > up > > > > > > > too much space if not interested :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > "vedicdragon" <vedic@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > "ashwin_062k" > > > > > > > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all I would like to say that I am > > > > novice to both > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > and astronomy. In the recent months, I > > > > have started to try > > > > to > > > > > > > > > understand this great science of astrology > > > > and astronomy. I > > > > > > > > > understand that both are inter-related to > > > > each other. > > > > Correct > > > > > > me > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > I am wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far, I understand that certain planets > > > > retrogate in > > > > their > > > > > > > motion > > > > > > > > > for a period of time, as detailed in the > > > > Vedic astrology. > > > > That > > > > > > > > > means that the planets do have a regular > > > > motion, stationary > > > > > > days > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > retrogade motion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there any reference about this > > > > retrograte motion of > > > > > planets > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the astronomy? or am I missing some thing > > > > here, > > > > conceptually. > > > > > > > > > Please throw some light on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I understand your question, the > > > > core of it is about > > > > > > > linking the principles of > > > > > > > > astronomy to astrology. Of course there is a > > > > reference > > > > between > > > > > > the > > > > > > > retrograde motion of a > > > > > > > > planet and astronomy, as astrology is > > > > interpreting the > > > > eternal > > > > > > > movement of planets in God > > > > > > > > ´s universe. > > > > > > > > But, you hopefully won´t believe the planets > > > > themselves to > > > > stop > > > > > > > moving and move > > > > > > > > reversely, do you? If that should ever > > > > happen, the universe > > > > > > > certainly were to burst. > > > > > > > > The trick here is that ANY astrological > > > > system necessarily is > > > > > > based > > > > > > > on a geocentric view of > > > > > > > > affairs. The RELATIVE motion of the earth as > > > > RELATED to the > > > > > > other > > > > > > > planets creates the > > > > > > > > impression of "retrograde" planets as viewed > > > > from the EARTH. > > > > > > It´s > > > > > > > thus not only a matter > > > > > > > > of motion or track speed of the earth and > > > > the rest of the > > > > > > planets, > > > > > > > but also of viewing > > > > > > > > angles. At certain times of the year, the > > > > earth seems to > > > > > > overtake > > > > > > > any given other planet - > > > > > > > > except for the sun (which is not a planet, > > > > of course) - as > > > > > > related > > > > > > > to its own apparent > > > > > > > > motion in a given sign, yielding the > > > > impression of retrograde > > > > > > > motion of that specific > > > > > > > > planet. > > > > > > > > Can you explain yourself why the sun will > > > > NEVER be in > > > > > retrograde > > > > > > > mode? > > > > > > > > If you were to watch, let´s say, mercury, > > > > which > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 > Dear all, > > What is the difference between ,when a planet is in direct and > retrograde motion in terms of effects. That is, if a planet is > debilitated, say Guru, and in Lagna, ill effects are predicted. And if > it is retrograde what will happen. Next, if a planet is in friends or > exaltation house, and it is retrograde. Will it reverse the good > effects, Please throw a light on this. > > regards > Baktha > > > Dear Sir, > > > > You are mixing up messages and threads! > > > > What is Crystal Clear as always are the golden and deep purple in > > your aura that represent the highest expression of Mars, Jupiter and > > Sun when they decide to work together for others... > > > > Does this make sense? > > > > RR > > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > <rishi_2000in wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > We wait for more. > > > Infact, rarely are you guilty of overexplaining as you mentioned in > > > another message! > > > So explain on please.. > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > Gustakhi maaf! > > > > > > > > But by any chance are you talking about the times when Rahu- Ketu > > > > (true nodes) go direct? > > > > > > > > Please enlighten. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nandini. > > > > > > > > , "Rohiniranjan" > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Matthias (Vedicdragon), > > > > > > > > > > Very well written piece on retrogrades. You could also include > > > the > > > > > example of moon which does not go retrograde (because it > > > encircles > > > > > the earth and is always faster than earth). > > > > > > > > > > As far as your comparison between astronomy and astrology, you > > > are > > > > > right, astrology needs astronomy, not the other way. However > > > > > knowledge of astronomy alone hardly helps one with astrology. > > Let > > > > me > > > > > give an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > Astronomy is like the diving board. One needs it to jump up and > > > > dive > > > > > into water but once in the water, if one does not know how to > > > swim > > > > > (astrology) that diving board is not of much help ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Though -- actually sun and moon both have retrograde motions! > > > This > > > > is > > > > > not explicitly stated in astrology books, modern or classics!! > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, I will write more as I do not wish to > > take > > > > up > > > > > too much space if not interested :-) > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "vedicdragon" <vedic@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ashwin_062k" > > > > > <ashwin_062k@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all I would like to say that I am novice to both > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > and astronomy. In the recent months, I have started to try > > to > > > > > > > understand this great science of astrology and astronomy. I > > > > > > > understand that both are inter-related to each other. > > Correct > > > > me > > > > > if > > > > > > > I am wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far, I understand that certain planets retrogate in > > their > > > > > motion > > > > > > > for a period of time, as detailed in the Vedic astrology. > > That > > > > > > > means that the planets do have a regular motion, stationary > > > > days > > > > > and > > > > > > > retrogade motion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there any reference about this retrograte motion of > > > planets > > > > in > > > > > > > the astronomy? or am I missing some thing here, > > conceptually. > > > > > > > Please throw some light on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sridhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I understand your question, the core of it is about > > > > > linking the principles of > > > > > > astronomy to astrology. Of course there is a reference > > between > > > > the > > > > > retrograde motion of a > > > > > > planet and astronomy, as astrology is interpreting the > > eternal > > > > > movement of planets in God > > > > > > ´s universe. > > > > > > But, you hopefully won´t believe the planets themselves to > > stop > > > > > moving and move > > > > > > reversely, do you? If that should ever happen, the universe > > > > > certainly were to burst. > > > > > > The trick here is that ANY astrological system necessarily is > > > > based > > > > > on a geocentric view of > > > > > > affairs. The RELATIVE motion of the earth as RELATED to the > > > > other > > > > > planets creates the > > > > > > impression of "retrograde" planets as viewed from the EARTH. > > > > It´s > > > > > thus not only a matter > > > > > > of motion or track speed of the earth and the rest of the > > > > planets, > > > > > but also of viewing > > > > > > angles. At certain times of the year, the earth seems to > > > > overtake > > > > > any given other planet - > > > > > > except for the sun (which is not a planet, of course) - as > > > > related > > > > > to its own apparent > > > > > > motion in a given sign, yielding the impression of retrograde > > > > > motion of that specific > > > > > > planet. > > > > > > Can you explain yourself why the sun will NEVER be in > > > retrograde > > > > > mode? > > > > > > If you were to watch, let´s say, mercury, which will be > > > > retrograde > > > > > within a few days, every > > > > > > day from now on, you´d have the impression of its retrograde > > > > motion > > > > > in certain times of > > > > > > the year within the sign of your observance. > > > > > > Difficult or simple? > > > > > > Retrograde planets - from an astronomical point of view - are > > > > > therefore only an illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, astrology has assigned certain properties to > > retrograde > > > > > planets, giving valuable > > > > > > additional information. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also not say that astrology and astronomy are > > > > interrelated, > > > > > as astronomy won´t > > > > > > "need" astrology, whereas astrology would be nothing withoug > > > > > astronomy´s laws of > > > > > > planetary motion. Astrology is therefore depending on > > > astronomy, > > > > > but not vice versa, and > > > > > > therefore there´s no MUTUAL dependency or relationship. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, though, in the ancient ages astrology was said to be > > > > > the "queen of sciences", > > > > > > because an astrologist needed profound knowledge of > > astronomy, > > > > > mathematics (they > > > > > > couldn´t use the computer to calculate the charts ;-)), and > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards and good speed with your new hobbies, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matthias > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > THE TASTE > > OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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