Retrograde status of Planets [and of sun and moon]

[Guest guest]

Matthias (Vedicdragon),

 

Very well written piece on retrogrades. You could also include the

example of moon which does not go retrograde (because it encircles

the earth and is always faster than earth).

 

As far as your comparison between astronomy and astrology, you are

right, astrology needs astronomy, not the other way. However

knowledge of astronomy alone hardly helps one with astrology. Let me

give an analogy.

 

Astronomy is like the diving board. One needs it to jump up and dive

into water but once in the water, if one does not know how to swim

(astrology) that diving board is not of much help ;-)

 

Though -- actually sun and moon both have retrograde motions! This is

not explicitly stated in astrology books, modern or classics!!

 

If you are interested, I will write more as I do not wish to take up

too much space if not interested :-)

 

RR

 

 

, "vedicdragon" <vedic

wrote:

>

> , "ashwin_062k"

<ashwin_062k@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gurujans

> >

> > First of all I would like to say that I am novice to both

astrology

> > and astronomy. In the recent months, I have started to try to

> > understand this great science of astrology and astronomy. I

> > understand that both are inter-related to each other. Correct me

if

> > I am wrong.

> >

> > As far, I understand that certain planets retrogate in their

motion

> > for a period of time, as detailed in the Vedic astrology. That

> > means that the planets do have a regular motion, stationary days

and

> > retrogade motion.

> >

> > Is there any reference about this retrograte motion of planets in

> > the astronomy? or am I missing some thing here, conceptually.

> > Please throw some light on this.

> >

> > Regards

> > Sridhar

> >

>

> Dear Sridhar,

>

> As far as I understand your question, the core of it is about

linking the principles of

> astronomy to astrology. Of course there is a reference between the

retrograde motion of a

> planet and astronomy, as astrology is interpreting the eternal

movement of planets in God

> ´s universe.

> But, you hopefully won´t believe the planets themselves to stop

moving and move

> reversely, do you? If that should ever happen, the universe

certainly were to burst.

> The trick here is that ANY astrological system necessarily is based

on a geocentric view of

> affairs. The RELATIVE motion of the earth as RELATED to the other

planets creates the

> impression of "retrograde" planets as viewed from the EARTH. It´s

thus not only a matter

> of motion or track speed of the earth and the rest of the planets,

but also of viewing

> angles. At certain times of the year, the earth seems to overtake

any given other planet -

> except for the sun (which is not a planet, of course) - as related

to its own apparent

> motion in a given sign, yielding the impression of retrograde

motion of that specific

> planet.

> Can you explain yourself why the sun will NEVER be in retrograde

mode?

> If you were to watch, let´s say, mercury, which will be retrograde

within a few days, every

> day from now on, you´d have the impression of its retrograde motion

in certain times of

> the year within the sign of your observance.

> Difficult or simple?

> Retrograde planets - from an astronomical point of view - are

therefore only an illusion.

>

> Anyway, astrology has assigned certain properties to retrograde

planets, giving valuable

> additional information.

>

> I would also not say that astrology and astronomy are interrelated,

as astronomy won´t

> "need" astrology, whereas astrology would be nothing withoug

astronomy´s laws of

> planetary motion. Astrology is therefore depending on astronomy,

but not vice versa, and

> therefore there´s no MUTUAL dependency or relationship.

>

> Anyway, though, in the ancient ages astrology was said to be

the "queen of sciences",

> because an astrologist needed profound knowledge of astronomy,

mathematics (they

> couldn´t use the computer to calculate the charts ;-)), and

astrology.

>

>

> Best regards and good speed with your new hobbies,

>

>

> Matthias

>

[Guest guest]

Sir,

 

Gustakhi maaf!

 

But by any chance are you talking about the times when Rahu-Ketu

(true nodes) go direct?

 

Please enlighten.

 

Regards,

Nandini.

 

, "Rohiniranjan"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Matthias (Vedicdragon),

>

> Very well written piece on retrogrades. You could also include the

> example of moon which does not go retrograde (because it encircles

> the earth and is always faster than earth).

>

> As far as your comparison between astronomy and astrology, you are

> right, astrology needs astronomy, not the other way. However

> knowledge of astronomy alone hardly helps one with astrology. Let

me

> give an analogy.

>

> Astronomy is like the diving board. One needs it to jump up and

dive

> into water but once in the water, if one does not know how to swim

> (astrology) that diving board is not of much help ;-)

>

> Though -- actually sun and moon both have retrograde motions! This

is

> not explicitly stated in astrology books, modern or classics!!

>

> If you are interested, I will write more as I do not wish to take

up

> too much space if not interested :-)

>

> RR

>

>

> , "vedicdragon" <vedic@>

> wrote:

> >

> > , "ashwin_062k"

> <ashwin_062k@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gurujans

> > >

> > > First of all I would like to say that I am novice to both

> astrology

> > > and astronomy. In the recent months, I have started to try to

> > > understand this great science of astrology and astronomy. I

> > > understand that both are inter-related to each other. Correct

me

> if

> > > I am wrong.

> > >

> > > As far, I understand that certain planets retrogate in their

> motion

> > > for a period of time, as detailed in the Vedic astrology. That

> > > means that the planets do have a regular motion, stationary

days

> and

> > > retrogade motion.

> > >

> > > Is there any reference about this retrograte motion of planets

in

> > > the astronomy? or am I missing some thing here, conceptually.

> > > Please throw some light on this.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Sridhar

> > >

> >

> > Dear Sridhar,

> >

> > As far as I understand your question, the core of it is about

> linking the principles of

> > astronomy to astrology. Of course there is a reference between

the

> retrograde motion of a

> > planet and astronomy, as astrology is interpreting the eternal

> movement of planets in God

> > ´s universe.

> > But, you hopefully won´t believe the planets themselves to stop

> moving and move

> > reversely, do you? If that should ever happen, the universe

> certainly were to burst.

> > The trick here is that ANY astrological system necessarily is

based

> on a geocentric view of

> > affairs. The RELATIVE motion of the earth as RELATED to the

other

> planets creates the

> > impression of "retrograde" planets as viewed from the EARTH.

It´s

> thus not only a matter

> > of motion or track speed of the earth and the rest of the

planets,

> but also of viewing

> > angles. At certain times of the year, the earth seems to

overtake

> any given other planet -

> > except for the sun (which is not a planet, of course) - as

related

> to its own apparent

> > motion in a given sign, yielding the impression of retrograde

> motion of that specific

> > planet.

> > Can you explain yourself why the sun will NEVER be in retrograde

> mode?

> > If you were to watch, let´s say, mercury, which will be

retrograde

> within a few days, every

> > day from now on, you´d have the impression of its retrograde

motion

> in certain times of

> > the year within the sign of your observance.

> > Difficult or simple?

> > Retrograde planets - from an astronomical point of view - are

> therefore only an illusion.

> >

> > Anyway, astrology has assigned certain properties to retrograde

> planets, giving valuable

> > additional information.

> >

> > I would also not say that astrology and astronomy are

interrelated,

> as astronomy won´t

> > "need" astrology, whereas astrology would be nothing withoug

> astronomy´s laws of

> > planetary motion. Astrology is therefore depending on astronomy,

> but not vice versa, and

> > therefore there´s no MUTUAL dependency or relationship.

> >

> > Anyway, though, in the ancient ages astrology was said to be

> the "queen of sciences",

> > because an astrologist needed profound knowledge of astronomy,

> mathematics (they

> > couldn´t use the computer to calculate the charts ;-)), and

> astrology.

> >

> >

> > Best regards and good speed with your new hobbies,

> >

> >

> > Matthias

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sir,

We wait for more.

Infact, rarely are you guilty of overexplaining as you mentioned in

another message!

So explain on please..

rishi

 

 

 

, "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo

wrote:

>

> Sir,

>

> Gustakhi maaf!

>

> But by any chance are you talking about the times when Rahu-Ketu

> (true nodes) go direct?

>

> Please enlighten.

>

> Regards,

> Nandini.

>

> , "Rohiniranjan"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Matthias (Vedicdragon),

> >

> > Very well written piece on retrogrades. You could also include

the

> > example of moon which does not go retrograde (because it

encircles

> > the earth and is always faster than earth).

> >

> > As far as your comparison between astronomy and astrology, you

are

> > right, astrology needs astronomy, not the other way. However

> > knowledge of astronomy alone hardly helps one with astrology. Let

> me

> > give an analogy.

> >

> > Astronomy is like the diving board. One needs it to jump up and

> dive

> > into water but once in the water, if one does not know how to

swim

> > (astrology) that diving board is not of much help ;-)

> >

> > Though -- actually sun and moon both have retrograde motions!

This

> is

> > not explicitly stated in astrology books, modern or classics!!

> >

> > If you are interested, I will write more as I do not wish to take

> up

> > too much space if not interested :-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , "vedicdragon" <vedic@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > , "ashwin_062k"

> > <ashwin_062k@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gurujans

> > > >

> > > > First of all I would like to say that I am novice to both

> > astrology

> > > > and astronomy. In the recent months, I have started to try to

> > > > understand this great science of astrology and astronomy. I

> > > > understand that both are inter-related to each other. Correct

> me

> > if

> > > > I am wrong.

> > > >

> > > > As far, I understand that certain planets retrogate in their

> > motion

> > > > for a period of time, as detailed in the Vedic astrology. That

> > > > means that the planets do have a regular motion, stationary

> days

> > and

> > > > retrogade motion.

> > > >

> > > > Is there any reference about this retrograte motion of

planets

> in

> > > > the astronomy? or am I missing some thing here, conceptually.

> > > > Please throw some light on this.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Sridhar

> > > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sridhar,

> > >

> > > As far as I understand your question, the core of it is about

> > linking the principles of

> > > astronomy to astrology. Of course there is a reference between

> the

> > retrograde motion of a

> > > planet and astronomy, as astrology is interpreting the eternal

> > movement of planets in God

> > > ´s universe.

> > > But, you hopefully won´t believe the planets themselves to stop

> > moving and move

> > > reversely, do you? If that should ever happen, the universe

> > certainly were to burst.

> > > The trick here is that ANY astrological system necessarily is

> based

> > on a geocentric view of

> > > affairs. The RELATIVE motion of the earth as RELATED to the

> other

> > planets creates the

> > > impression of "retrograde" planets as viewed from the EARTH.

> It´s

> > thus not only a matter

> > > of motion or track speed of the earth and the rest of the

> planets,

> > but also of viewing

> > > angles. At certain times of the year, the earth seems to

> overtake

> > any given other planet -

> > > except for the sun (which is not a planet, of course) - as

> related

> > to its own apparent

> > > motion in a given sign, yielding the impression of retrograde

> > motion of that specific

> > > planet.

> > > Can you explain yourself why the sun will NEVER be in

retrograde

> > mode?

> > > If you were to watch, let´s say, mercury, which will be

> retrograde

> > within a few days, every

> > > day from now on, you´d have the impression of its retrograde

> motion

> > in certain times of

> > > the year within the sign of your observance.

> > > Difficult or simple?

> > > Retrograde planets - from an astronomical point of view - are

> > therefore only an illusion.

> > >

> > > Anyway, astrology has assigned certain properties to retrograde

> > planets, giving valuable

> > > additional information.

> > >

> > > I would also not say that astrology and astronomy are

> interrelated,

> > as astronomy won´t

> > > "need" astrology, whereas astrology would be nothing withoug

> > astronomy´s laws of

> > > planetary motion. Astrology is therefore depending on

astronomy,

> > but not vice versa, and

> > > therefore there´s no MUTUAL dependency or relationship.

> > >

> > > Anyway, though, in the ancient ages astrology was said to be

> > the "queen of sciences",

> > > because an astrologist needed profound knowledge of astronomy,

> > mathematics (they

> > > couldn´t use the computer to calculate the charts ;-)), and

> > astrology.

> > >

> > >

> > > Best regards and good speed with your new hobbies,

> > >

> > >

> > > Matthias

> > >

> >

>