The demons reside in any Ekadasi which is overlapped with Dasami

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Dear Nimai Nitai Prabhu

Please accept my humble obaisences

All glories to Srila Prabhupada

you wrote:

Were the Gosvamis guilty of fasting when They should have feasted, or

feasting when They should have fasted, because Their calculations were probably

less

accurate than today's computer-generated outputs?

that is foolish arguments, the Goswamis are freed from the modes of material

nature and knows when to fast , there is no need of computer, their

calculation was perfect

 

you wrote:

 

There is NO exact calculation possible, anywhere in the material world. Every

calculation is just an approximation. Among such inexact calculations, we

choose to accept that approximation received in disciplic succession, rather

than

the most current computer-generated astrological data, which will inevitably

be "improved" and "corrected" at some future point in time --just like

toothpaste or shampoo, or so many other consumer products.

 

my response

 

The Navadvipa Pankaji is very detailed to when to observe fast and when to

break them

 

you wrote:

 

.. Furthermore, this determination is in strict agreement with the practice

established by His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada for His worldwide movement

during His entire manifest pastimes. ISKCON's GBC, in its RESOLUTION #53 of

February 20, 1988, confirmed this practice as authoritative:

 

53. That the GBC accepts the Yoga Pitha Gaudiya Panjika calendar as

authoritative for ISKCON on the instructions of Srila Prabhupada. It is also

Srila

Prabhupada's instructions that the Panjika be followed in any time zone of the

world according to the same Calendar date as observed in Mayapur.

 

 

yes it is understood, I suggest this be changes in favor of a more correct

standard, that will prevent leaders like yourself to force other devotees under

 

their leadership to fast on dasami

 

NA UPOSYA DASAMI-VIDHA SADAIVA EKADASI TITHIH

SAMUPOSYA NARO JAHYAT PUNYAM VARSA SATODBHAVAM

(HARI BHAKTI VILASA 12/205 from NARADA PURANA)

One should never fast on the days when Ekadasi is overlapped with Dasami. If

one does so, looses whatever merit he had accumulated for one hundred years.

DASAMI SESA SAMYUKTAM YAH KAROTI VIMUDHADHIH

EKADASI PHALAM TASYA NA SYAD DVADASA VARSIKAM

(HARI BHAKTI VILASA 12/218 from KURMA PURANA, NARADA PURANA AND VISNU

RAHASYA)

Those foolish persons who fast on Ekadasi which is mixed with Dasami, do not

receive any result for performing Ekadasi fast for the past twelve years.

DASAMY EKADASI YATRA TATRA SANNIHITO'SURAH

DVADASY EKADASI YATRA TATRA SANNIHITO HARIH

(HARI BHAKTI VILASA 12/230 from SKANDA PURANA)

The demons reside in any Ekadasi which is overlapped with Dasami and whoever

fasts on this day achieves negative results. Lord Hari resides in any Ekadasi

which is overlapped with Dvadasi. If someone observes fasting on this day, he

receives complete results, which is proper.

YE SAMSANTI DINAM VISNOR DASAMI VEDHA DUSITAM

JNEYAS TE PAPA PURUSAH SUKRAMAYA-VIMOHITAH

(HARI BHAKTI VILASA 12/234 from SKANDA PURANA conversation between Lord Siva

and Uma devi)

Any person who fasts on Ekadasi which is contaminated by Dasami or makes

somebody else fast, has been controlled and bewildered by Sukracarya, the

spiritual master of the demons. This should be understood properly.

 

Fasting on ekadasi is not like fasting for "christmas" it is not symbolical

fasting the timeperiod, and anyone that agrees with you is obviously missing

the whole point,according to Hari bhakti Vilasa is bewildered by Sukracarya,

and is becoming empowered by asuras that preside on ekadasis mixed with

dasami.Srila Vyasadeva says he is willing to reject even Lord Brahma if he

states

otherwise on the result

of fasting on mixed ekadasis,Sorry it seems you have no faith in Hari Bhakti

Vilasa

Prabhu.

your servant

Payonidhi das

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Nimai Nitai Prabhu wrote:

 

> Furthermore, this determination is in strict agreement with the practice

> established by His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada for His worldwide

> movement during His entire manifest pastimes. ISKCON's GBC, in its

> RESOLUTION #53 of February 20, 1988, confirmed this practice as

> authoritative:

>

> 53. That the GBC accepts the Yoga Pitha Gaudiya Panjika calendar as

> authoritative for ISKCON on the instructions of Srila Prabhupada. It is

> also Srila

> Prabhupada's instructions that the Panjika be followed in any time zone of

> the world according to the same Calendar date as observed in Mayapur.

 

It really is not proper to quote this resolution without mentioning that it

was overturned two years later after a quite thorough research paper was

written by Markandeya Rishi Prabhu. Here is the 1990 GBC resolution on the

subject:

 

1990-42. That the report of the Calendar Research Committee is accepted in

principle, with thanks. ISKCON temples throughout the world shall follow

the official calendar calculated according to the conclusions of this

report, which are:

 

a) That the calculations should be made based upon the local time of

sunrise.

 

b) That a computerized method of calculations is acceptable.

 

c) That the length of a muhurta shall be calculated as a 15th part of

the daytime and a 15th part of the nighttime.

 

d) That sunrise shall be defined as the time of calculated visibility

of the upper limb of the sun at the horizon, and the time of sunset as the

time of calculated disappearance of the upper limb of the sun at the

horizon.

 

e) That the calculations shall be based upon the positions of the

heavenly bodies as determined according to modern scientific astronomical

observations.

 

---- end of resolution wording

 

Based upon this, there is no need for any further GBC resolution on the

topic raised by Payonidhi Prabhu. If a particular ISKCON center chooses not

to follow GBC policy then that is a matter for the local authorities to deal

with as they see fit. If that center is not creating any disturbance to

others by their policy then the local authorities may choose to not attempt

micromanagement of the situation.

 

Some other observations:

 

1. Arguments over the details of calendar calculation and observance of

fasting rules are a great opportunity for Kali to enter into the association

of devotees and spoil the sankirtan movement. If a devotee is sincerely

following his/her realizations and the instructions of his/her authorities

and chanting the holy name then there is no question of incurring any sin,

even if s/he knows nothing of how to observe ekadasi.

 

2. The GBC Body has standardized a calendar not for promoting arguments

against those who do not want to follow, but to hopefully reduce arguments

between those who want to follow a consistent system, as close to the

instructions of sastra and our previous acaryas as is manageable in a large

institution. And the sastra quoted in this tree also mentions what to do

should there be a disagreement between authorities: Don't worry about the

details. Just fast on the later of the two days!!!

 

3. Payonidhi is not correct when he states that the devotees in Boston, by

following the Mayapur calendar, are risking fasting on ekadasi mixed with

dasami. Since Boston is situated to the west of Mayapur relative to the

international dateline then, if anything, they will observe ekadasi in

Boston on a day later than the properly calculated ekadasi fast day. It is

those who follow the Mayapur calendar when east of Mayapur, such as

Australia, Hong Kong, etc., where the mixture of dasami may come into play.

 

Your servant, Bhaktarupa Das

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In a message dated 10/21/2006 3:10:34 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Bhaktarupa.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes:

1990-42. That the report of the Calendar Research Committee is accepted in

principle, with thanks. ISKCON temples throughout the world shall follow

the official calendar calculated according to the conclusions of this

report, which are:

 

a) That the calculations should be made based upon the local time of

sunrise.

 

b) That a computerized method of calculations is acceptable.

 

c) That the length of a muhurta shall be calculated as a 15th part of

the daytime and a 15th part of the nighttime.

 

d) That sunrise shall be defined as the time of calculated visibility

of the upper limb of the sun at the horizon, and the time of sunset as the

time of calculated disappearance of the upper limb of the sun at the

horizon.

 

e) That the calculations shall be based upon the positions of the

heavenly bodies as determined according to modern scientific astronomical

observations.

 

---- end of resolution wording

well if that is the resolution, what is the question of following the

Mayapure calendar?

Are you sure about this with not observing ekadasi properly, that it will not

be on a different day, as long as it falls on the same day as the vaisnava

calendar I have no problems, but

the resolution is there ...how can there be any second standard?

[Guest guest]

and if everyone makes up their own standard then what is the use of having a

GBC, each temple must follow the standard set, it is a rule it must be followed

[Srimanta 0]

 

Dear Nimai Nitai Prabhu

Please accept my humble obaisences

All glories to Srila Prabhupada

you wrote:

Were the Gosvamis guilty of fasting when They should have feasted, or

feasting when They should have fasted, because Their calculations were probably

less

accurate than today's computer-generated outputs?

that is foolish arguments, the Goswamis are freed from the modes of material

nature and knows when to fast , there is no need of computer, their

calculation was perfect

 

you wrote:

 

There is NO exact calculation possible, anywhere in the material world. Every

calculation is just an approximation. Among such inexact calculations, we

choose to accept that approximation received in disciplic succession, rather

than

the most current computer-generated astrological data, which will inevitably

be "improved" and "corrected" at some future point in time --just like

toothpaste or shampoo, or so many other consumer products.

 

my response

 

The Navadvipa Pankaji is very detailed to when to observe fast and when to

break them

 

you wrote:

 

.. Furthermore, this determination is in strict agreement with the practice

established by His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada for His worldwide movement

during His entire manifest pastimes. ISKCON's GBC, in its RESOLUTION #53 of

February 20, 1988, confirmed this practice as authoritative:

 

53. That the GBC accepts the Yoga Pitha Gaudiya Panjika calendar as

authoritative for ISKCON on the instructions of Srila Prabhupada. It is also

Srila

Prabhupada's instructions that the Panjika be followed in any time zone of the

world according to the same Calendar date as observed in Mayapur.

 

 

yes it is understood, I suggest this be changes in favor of a more correct

standard, that will prevent leaders like yourself to force other devotees under

 

their leadership to fast on dasami

 

NA UPOSYA DASAMI-VIDHA SADAIVA EKADASI TITHIH

SAMUPOSYA NARO JAHYAT PUNYAM VARSA SATODBHAVAM

(HARI BHAKTI VILASA 12/205 from NARADA PURANA)

One should never fast on the days when Ekadasi is overlapped with Dasami. If

one does so, looses whatever merit he had accumulated for one hundred years.

DASAMI SESA SAMYUKTAM YAH KAROTI VIMUDHADHIH

EKADASI PHALAM TASYA NA SYAD DVADASA VARSIKAM

(HARI BHAKTI VILASA 12/218 from KURMA PURANA, NARADA PURANA AND VISNU

RAHASYA)

Those foolish persons who fast on Ekadasi which is mixed with Dasami, do not

receive any result for performing Ekadasi fast for the past twelve years.

DASAMY EKADASI YATRA TATRA SANNIHITO'SURAH

DVADASY EKADASI YATRA TATRA SANNIHITO HARIH

(HARI BHAKTI VILASA 12/230 from SKANDA PURANA)

The demons reside in any Ekadasi which is overlapped with Dasami and whoever

fasts on this day achieves negative results. Lord Hari resides in any Ekadasi

which is overlapped with Dvadasi. If someone observes fasting on this day, he

receives complete results, which is proper.

YE SAMSANTI DINAM VISNOR DASAMI VEDHA DUSITAM

JNEYAS TE PAPA PURUSAH SUKRAMAYA-VIMOHITAH

(HARI BHAKTI VILASA 12/234 from SKANDA PURANA conversation between Lord Siva

and Uma devi)

Any person who fasts on Ekadasi which is contaminated by Dasami or makes

somebody else fast, has been controlled and bewildered by Sukracarya, the

spiritual master of the demons. This should be understood properly.

 

Fasting on ekadasi is not like fasting for "christmas" it is not symbolical

fasting the timeperiod, and anyone that agrees with you is obviously missing

the whole point,according to Hari bhakti Vilasa is bewildered by Sukracarya,

and is becoming empowered by asuras that preside on ekadasis mixed with

dasami.Srila Vyasadeva says he is willing to reject even Lord Brahma if he

states

otherwise on the result

of fasting on mixed ekadasis,Sorry it seems you have no faith in Hari Bhakti

Vilasa

Prabhu.

your servant

Payonidhi das

 

When your target to reside spiritual planets of Mayapur, at the birth place of Lord Chaitannya Mohaprabhu, follow all times as it is from Mayapur

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"It is also Srila Prabhupada's instructions that the Panjika be followed in any time zone of the 
world according to the same Calendar date as observed in Mayapur."

 

ISKCON is supposed to follow Srila Prabhupada's instructions.

The GBC is supposed to implement Srila Prabhupada's instructions.