Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Respected Sir I have one more query in my mind which i want to clear.How we can judge or make sure that there is delay in marriage or denial of marriage as i find in all the articles same comibations for delay and denial.Or if there are combinations of delay in marriage then how much delay is there can be judged i am presenting data of a male---- DOB:--30-6-1978 TOB: 14:40hrs POB: DELHI this chart shows delay in marriage.but how much delay ? the native is running dasha of MARS-RAHU. would you please solve my problem regards manju chawla Get your email and more, right on the new .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Dear Manju, Please confirm that this horoscope is correct i.e. Libra rising with lagnesh Venus conjunct Mercury in 10th, Moon in 7th and 7th lord Mars conjunct Saturn in 11th. Assuming the above to be correct, 7th lord's conjunction with Saturn is an indication of delay. Rahu will be entering Aries (7th house) around 9th Nov and this may well initiate marriage. It's said that; "Rahu or Ketu transiting the ascendant and the 7th house cusp often causes either marriage or the severing of a relationship." As the native is running dasa of MA/RA the conditions for marriage are present. Please keep us informed of the outcome... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "manju chawla" <manjuch2001 > <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:18 PM delay and denial of marriage Respected Sir I have one more query in my mind which i want to clear.How we can judge or make sure that there is delay in marriage or denial of marriage as i find in all the articles same comibations for delay and denial.Or if there are combinations of delay in marriage then how much delay is there can be judged i am presenting data of a male---- DOB:--30-6-1978 TOB: 14:40hrs POB: DELHI this chart shows delay in marriage.but how much delay ? the native is running dasha of MARS-RAHU. would you please solve my problem regards manju chawla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Correction-- //Rahu will be entering Aries (7th house) around 9th Nov and this may well initiate marriage.// My apologies! Rahu will, of course, be entering Aquarius (5th house). ________________________________ - "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:44 PM Re: delay and denial of marriage Dear Manju, Please confirm that this horoscope is correct i.e. Libra rising with lagnesh Venus conjunct Mercury in 10th, Moon in 7th and 7th lord Mars conjunct Saturn in 11th. Assuming the above to be correct, 7th lord's conjunction with Saturn is an indication of delay. Rahu will be entering Aries (7th house) around 9th Nov and this may well initiate marriage. It's said that; "Rahu or Ketu transiting the ascendant and the 7th house cusp often causes either marriage or the severing of a relationship." As the native is running dasa of MA/RA the conditions for marriage are present. Please keep us informed of the outcome... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "manju chawla" <manjuch2001 > <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:18 PM delay and denial of marriage Respected Sir I have one more query in my mind which i want to clear.How we can judge or make sure that there is delay in marriage or denial of marriage as i find in all the articles same comibations for delay and denial.Or if there are combinations of delay in marriage then how much delay is there can be judged i am presenting data of a male---- DOB:--30-6-1978 TOB: 14:40hrs POB: DELHI this chart shows delay in marriage.but how much delay ? the native is running dasha of MARS-RAHU. would you please solve my problem regards manju chawla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > >Dear Wendy Thanks a lot for your quick reply of my query. I confirm that the horoscope is correct.As you have told about Rahu's transit that is correct that Rahu can give marriage but we generally apply double transit Of Saturn and Jupiter. For fructification of an eventSuppose marriage we have to see that saturn and jupiter should influence any two of these four Lagna Lord/Lagna and seventh house or seventh lord . In this case saturn is with Mars in Leo and will aspect lagna when it enters Leo in Nov. But jupiter will enter scorpio on 29th October.From there it shall aspect only Venus which is the significator of the marriage and none else. So what should we say in which dasha and transit the native shall marry. Further i want to say that i wanted to be aware of general principles of delay and denial in marriage which we should apply on other horoscopes.That how can we make sure that in a particular horoscope there is a denial or delay. thanks once again manju chawla Correction-- > > //Rahu will be entering Aries (7th house) around 9th Nov > and this may well initiate marriage.// > > My apologies! Rahu will, of course, be entering Aquarius (5th house). > ________________________________ > - > "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish > <jyotish-vidya> > Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:44 PM > Re: delay and denial of marriage > > > Dear Manju, >Dea > Please confirm that this horoscope is correct i.e. Libra rising with lagnesh > Venus conjunct Mercury in 10th, Moon in 7th and 7th lord Mars conjunct > Saturn in 11th. > > Assuming the above to be correct, 7th lord's conjunction with Saturn is an > indication of delay. Rahu will be entering Aries (7th house) around 9th Nov > and this may well initiate marriage. It's said that; "Rahu or Ketu > transiting the ascendant and the 7th house cusp often causes either marriage > or the severing of a relationship." > > As the native is running dasa of MA/RA the conditions for marriage are > present. Please keep us informed of the outcome... > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > "manju chawla" <manjuch2001 > <jyotish-vidya> > Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:18 PM > delay and denial of marriage > > > Respected Sir > I have one more query in my mind which i want to clear.How we can judge > or make sure that there is delay in marriage or denial of marriage as i find > in all the articles same comibations for delay and denial.Or if there are > combinations of delay in marriage then how much delay is there can be judged > i am presenting data of a male---- DOB:--30-6-1978 TOB: 14:40hrs POB: > DELHI > this chart shows delay in marriage.but how much delay ? the native is > running dasha of MARS-RAHU. would you please solve my problem > regards > manju chawla > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > >Dear Wendy Thanks a lot for your quick reply of my query. I confirm that the horoscope is correct.As you have told about Rahu's transit that is correct that Rahu can give marriage but we generally apply double transit Of Saturn and Jupiter. For fructification of an eventSuppose marriage we have to see that saturn and jupiter should influence any two of these four Lagna Lord/Lagna and seventh house or seventh lord . In this case saturn is with Mars in Leo and will aspect lagna when it enters Leo in Nov. But jupiter will enter scorpio on 29th October.From there it shall aspect only Venus which is the significator of the marriage and none else. So what should we say in which dasha and transit the native shall marry. Further i want to say that i wanted to be aware of general principles of delay and denial in marriage which we should apply on other horoscopes.That how can we make sure that in a particular horoscope there is a denial or delay. thanks once again manju chawla Correction-- > > //Rahu will be entering Aries (7th house) around 9th Nov > and this may well initiate marriage.// > > My apologies! Rahu will, of course, be entering Aquarius (5th house). > ________________________________ > - > "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish > <jyotish-vidya> > Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:44 PM > Re: delay and denial of marriage > > > Dear Manju, >Dea > Please confirm that this horoscope is correct i.e. Libra rising with lagnesh > Venus conjunct Mercury in 10th, Moon in 7th and 7th lord Mars conjunct > Saturn in 11th. > > Assuming the above to be correct, 7th lord's conjunction with Saturn is an > indication of delay. Rahu will be entering Aries (7th house) around 9th Nov > and this may well initiate marriage. It's said that; "Rahu or Ketu > transiting the ascendant and the 7th house cusp often causes either marriage > or the severing of a relationship." > > As the native is running dasa of MA/RA the conditions for marriage are > present. Please keep us informed of the outcome... > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > "manju chawla" <manjuch2001 > <jyotish-vidya> > Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:18 PM > delay and denial of marriage > > > Respected Sir > I have one more query in my mind which i want to clear.How we can judge > or make sure that there is delay in marriage or denial of marriage as i find > in all the articles same comibations for delay and denial.Or if there are > combinations of delay in marriage then how much delay is there can be judged > i am presenting data of a male---- DOB:--30-6-1978 TOB: 14:40hrs POB: > DELHI > this chart shows delay in marriage.but how much delay ? the native is > running dasha of MARS-RAHU. would you please solve my problem > regards > manju chawla > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Dear Manju, //For fructification of an eventSuppose marriage we have to see that saturn and jupiter should influence any two of these four Lagna Lord/Lagna and seventh house or seventh lord .// Can you quote the source for this rule, which wasn't in effect when I was married--only transit Jupiter (dasa/pd lord) aspected 7th lord Moon on that day--Natal Jupiter BTW occupies 7th house. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "manjuch2001" <manjuch2001 > <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:16 PM Re: delay and denial of marriage jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > >Dear Wendy Thanks a lot for your quick reply of my query. I confirm that the horoscope is correct.As you have told about Rahu's transit that is correct that Rahu can give marriage but we generally apply double transit Of Saturn and Jupiter. For fructification of an eventSuppose marriage we have to see that saturn and jupiter should influence any two of these four Lagna Lord/Lagna and seventh house or seventh lord . In this case saturn is with Mars in Leo and will aspect lagna when it enters Leo in Nov. But jupiter will enter scorpio on 29th October.From there it shall aspect only Venus which is the significator of the marriage and none else. So what should we say in which dasha and transit the native shall marry. Further i want to say that i wanted to be aware of general principles of delay and denial in marriage which we should apply on other horoscopes.That how can we make sure that in a particular horoscope there is a denial or delay. thanks once again manju chawla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 -Dear Wendy I have read an article on the website "lightonVedic Astrology.com. this article named "Double transit Phenomenon of saturn and jupiter" written by Vaughn Paul Stanley. you can also go through this article on this site and let me have your views Regards manju chawla -- In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Manju, > > //For fructification of an eventSuppose marriage we have to see that saturn > and jupiter should influence any two of these four Lagna Lord/Lagna and > seventh house or seventh lord .// > > Can you quote the source for this rule, which wasn't in effect when I was > married--only transit Jupiter (dasa/pd lord) aspected 7th lord Moon on that > day--Natal Jupiter BTW occupies 7th house. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > "manjuch2001" <manjuch2001 > <jyotish-vidya> > Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:16 PM > Re: delay and denial of marriage > > > jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > >Dear Wendy > Thanks a lot for your quick reply of my query. I confirm that the > horoscope is correct.As you have told about Rahu's transit that is > correct that Rahu can give marriage but we generally apply double > transit Of Saturn and Jupiter. For fructification of an eventSuppose > marriage we have to see that saturn and jupiter should influence any > two of these four Lagna Lord/Lagna and seventh house or seventh lord . > In this case saturn is with Mars in Leo and will aspect lagna when it > enters Leo in Nov. But jupiter will enter scorpio on 29th > October.From there it shall aspect only Venus which is the > significator of the marriage and none else. So what should we say in > which dasha and transit the native shall marry. > > Further i want to say that i wanted to be aware of general principles > of delay and denial in marriage which we should apply on other > horoscopes.That how can we make sure that in a particular horoscope > there is a denial or delay. > thanks once again > manju chawla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Dear Manju, This is a hypothesis based on some observations--not a hard and fast rule. If the indications for marriage (or any event) are strong it will fructify (baring obstruction of course)--it's not dependant on the (double) transit of Jupiter/Saturn (particularly). Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "manjuch2001" <manjuch2001 > <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:50 PM Re: delay and denial of marriage -Dear Wendy I have read an article on the website "lightonVedic Astrology.com. this article named "Double transit Phenomenon of saturn and jupiter" written by Vaughn Paul Stanley. you can also go through this article on this site and let me have your views Regards manju chawla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > >Dear Wendy thanks for your reply.That's what i wanted to know that how can we judge that the indications for marriage are strong.Like in this case 7th lord Mars is placed in 11th house. that's it.Neither the 7th house is aspected by its lord or any other benefic planet or by significator Venus. my main query is this that how in a chart we can differentiate between denial of maariage and delay in marriage. If there is delay then how much delay And how to identify the dasha and antardasha in which the marriage would take place with best of my regards manju chawla Dear Manju, > > This is a hypothesis based on some observations--not a hard and fast rule. > If the indications for marriage (or any event) are strong it will fructify > (baring obstruction of course)--it's not dependant on the (double) transit > of Jupiter/Saturn (particularly). > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > "manjuch2001" <manjuch2001 > <jyotish-vidya> > Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:50 PM > Re: delay and denial of marriage > > > -Dear Wendy > I have read an article on the website "lightonVedic Astrology.com. > this article named "Double transit Phenomenon of saturn and jupiter" > written by Vaughn Paul Stanley. you can also go through this article > on this site and let me have your views > Regards > manju chawla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Dear Manju, We can discuss this further tomorrow (time permitting) as it's, once again, after midnight here and I need to switch off and get some rest.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "manjuch2001" <manjuch2001 > <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:50 PM Re: delay and denial of marriage jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > >Dear Wendy thanks for your reply.That's what i wanted to know that how can we judge that the indications for marriage are strong.Like in this case 7th lord Mars is placed in 11th house. that's it.Neither the 7th house is aspected by its lord or any other benefic planet or by significator Venus. my main query is this that how in a chart we can differentiate between denial of maariage and delay in marriage. If there is delay then how much delay And how to identify the dasha and antardasha in which the marriage would take place with best of my regards manju chawla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Dear Manju, //And how to identify the dasha and antardasha in which the marriage would take place// This is what was meant when I said; "If the indications for marriage (or any event) are strong it will fructify (baring obstruction of course)." Marriage can occur during dasa/bhukti of 7th lord or planets associated with it; During dasa/bhukti of planet in 7th or karaka for 7th (Venus) etc.. However,one needs to consider all possible obstructive as well as supportive influences (transits) at that particular time. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "manjuch2001" <manjuch2001 > <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:50 PM Re: delay and denial of marriage jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > >Dear Wendy thanks for your reply.That's what i wanted to know that how can we judge that the indications for marriage are strong.Like in this case 7th lord Mars is placed in 11th house. that's it.Neither the 7th house is aspected by its lord or any other benefic planet or by significator Venus. my main query is this that how in a chart we can differentiate between denial of maariage and delay in marriage. If there is delay then how much delay And how to identify the dasha and antardasha in which the marriage would take place with best of my regards manju chawla Dear Manju, > > This is a hypothesis based on some observations--not a hard and fast rule. > If the indications for marriage (or any event) are strong it will fructify > (baring obstruction of course)--it's not dependant on the (double) transit > of Jupiter/Saturn (particularly). > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 PS: You might study this chapter on 'Argala' http://jyotishvidya.com/ch31.htm and apply it to the horoscope in question. I'll look forward to reading your observations... The main point to remember is that mediocre marriage prospects can fructify if there is good support at the time (of relevant dasa), and even the most positive promise of marriage can fall away if there is strong obstruction, at the time. It can also simply indicate difficulties to overcome at time of marriage, or a smooth and happy occasion with no difficulties. I might just add that marriage, quite obviously, is important to the native in question and will be an important part of the native's life. We see this with Moon in 7th in nakshatra of Venus. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:43 PM Re: Re: delay and denial of marriage Dear Manju, //And how to identify the dasha and antardasha in which the marriage would take place// This is what was meant when I said; "If the indications for marriage (or any event) are strong it will fructify (baring obstruction of course)." Marriage can occur during dasa/bhukti of 7th lord or planets associated with it; During dasa/bhukti of planet in 7th or karaka for 7th (Venus) etc.. However,one needs to consider all possible obstructive as well as supportive influences (transits) at that particular time. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: ~Hi to all learned friends & Dear Mrs. Wendy, I am new member of this forum and has been following the messages since last few days.Vedic Astrlogy is a very vast subject and needs lots of study, dedication and experience to understand it.As a student I too feel preplexed many a times.Thanx to this nice forum which is helping out to clear the confusions pertaining to jyotish issues. In India, I too have been usig double trasit of jupiter and Saturn to check the fructification of an event,though this proves right in most of the cases,but as a student I don't have much experience. Thanx Mrs Wendy for showing another way to check marriage. One of the pointWhich has not been touched in Manju's post is, what is the demarcation point in delay and denial of marriage. As a student I too feel lost at this point, where to say delay and where denial.Most of the combinations of delay apply to denial and vice versa, or the comibnations apply to both. It shall be very helpful if this issue is explained and clarified by some learned friends. ~~ Regards~~ ~ Priya SP~ > Dear Manju, > > //And how to identify the dasha and antardasha in which the marriage > would take place// > > This is what was meant when I said; "If the indications for marriage (or any > event) are strong it will fructify (baring obstruction of course)." > > Marriage can occur during dasa/bhukti of 7th lord or planets associated with > it; During dasa/bhukti of planet in 7th or karaka for 7th (Venus) etc.. > However,one needs to consider all possible obstructive as well as supportive > influences (transits) at that particular time. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > "manjuch2001" <manjuch2001 > <jyotish-vidya> > Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:50 PM > Re: delay and denial of marriage > > > jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > >Dear Wendy > thanks for your reply.That's what i wanted to know that how can we > judge that the indications for marriage are strong.Like in this case > 7th lord Mars is placed in 11th house. that's it.Neither the 7th > house is aspected by its lord or any other benefic planet or by > significator Venus. my main query is this that how in a chart we can > differentiate between denial of maariage and delay in marriage. If > there is delay then how much delay > And how to identify the dasha and antardasha in which the marriage > would take place > with best of my regards > manju chawla > > Dear Manju, > > > > This is a hypothesis based on some observations--not a hard and > fast rule. > > If the indications for marriage (or any event) are strong it will > fructify > > (baring obstruction of course)--it's not dependant on the (double) > transit > > of Jupiter/Saturn (particularly). > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > jyotish-vidya > > ___ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Dear Priya, Certainly the transit of Jupiter and Saturn exert a powerful influence...this goes without saying! Just what that influence will be (at any given time) depends on the operating dasas and (most importantly) the functional nature of these two planets in individual horoscopes. I'm certainly not denying the significance of this transit...simply pointing out that to assume an event cannot fructify if this (double) aspect is not in effect is wrong. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "priyaa_s_p" <priyaa_s_p > <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:51 PM Re: delay and denial of marriage jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: ~Hi to all learned friends & Dear Mrs. Wendy, I am new member of this forum and has been following the messages since last few days.Vedic Astrlogy is a very vast subject and needs lots of study, dedication and experience to understand it.As a student I too feel preplexed many a times.Thanx to this nice forum which is helping out to clear the confusions pertaining to jyotish issues. In India, I too have been usig double trasit of jupiter and Saturn to check the fructification of an event,though this proves right in most of the cases,but as a student I don't have much experience. Thanx Mrs Wendy for showing another way to check marriage. One of the pointWhich has not been touched in Manju's post is, what is the demarcation point in delay and denial of marriage. As a student I too feel lost at this point, where to say delay and where denial.Most of the combinations of delay apply to denial and vice versa, or the comibnations apply to both. It shall be very helpful if this issue is explained and clarified by some learned friends. ~~ Regards~~ ~ Priya SP~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 --hi priya welcome to this forum.I am also very much new to this forum.I fully agree with you this forum is very helpful for students like ours. Most of the times we are quite stuck up with one or another problem then i think this forum will help us ..As you have said i have not touched the demarcation point of delay and denial but if you go through the previous mssgs. you will find that my main question was only on this point that how to identify the denial or delay as most of the combinations are same. If there is delay then how to see how much delay. Anyway I hope by discussing together we shall come to some conclusion thanks manju chawla - In jyotish-vidya, "priyaa_s_p" <priyaa_s_p wrote: > > jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@> > wrote: > > ~Hi to all learned friends & Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > I am new member of this forum and has been following the messages > since last few days.Vedic Astrlogy is a very vast subject and needs > lots of study, dedication and experience to understand it.As a > student I too feel preplexed many a times.Thanx to this nice forum > which is helping out to clear the confusions pertaining to jyotish > issues. > > In India, I too have been usig double trasit of jupiter and Saturn > to check the fructification of an event,though this proves right in > most of the cases,but as a student I don't have much experience. > Thanx Mrs Wendy for showing another way to check marriage. > > One of the pointWhich has not been touched in Manju's post is, what > is the demarcation point in delay and denial of marriage. > As a student I too feel lost at this point, where to say delay and > where denial.Most of the combinations of delay apply to denial and > vice versa, or the comibnations apply to both. > > It shall be very helpful if this issue is explained and clarified by > some learned friends. > > ~~ Regards~~ > ~ Priya SP~ > > > > > > Dear Manju, > > > > //And how to identify the dasha and antardasha in which the > marriage > > would take place// > > > > This is what was meant when I said; "If the indications for > marriage (or any > > event) are strong it will fructify (baring obstruction of course)." > > > > Marriage can occur during dasa/bhukti of 7th lord or planets > associated with > > it; During dasa/bhukti of planet in 7th or karaka for 7th (Venus) > etc.. > > However,one needs to consider all possible obstructive as well as > supportive > > influences (transits) at that particular time. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > jyotish-vidya > > ___ > > > > > > - > > "manjuch2001" <manjuch2001@> > > <jyotish-vidya> > > Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:50 PM > > Re: delay and denial of marriage > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > >Dear Wendy > > thanks for your reply.That's what i wanted to know that how can we > > judge that the indications for marriage are strong.Like in this > case > > 7th lord Mars is placed in 11th house. that's it.Neither the 7th > > house is aspected by its lord or any other benefic planet or by > > significator Venus. my main query is this that how in a chart we > can > > differentiate between denial of maariage and delay in marriage. If > > there is delay then how much delay > > And how to identify the dasha and antardasha in which the marriage > > would take place > > with best of my regards > > manju chawla > > > > Dear Manju, > > > > > > This is a hypothesis based on some observations--not a hard and > > fast rule. > > > If the indications for marriage (or any event) are strong it will > > fructify > > > (baring obstruction of course)--it's not dependant on the > (double) > > transit > > > of Jupiter/Saturn (particularly). > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > jyotish-vidya > > > ___ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Dear Manju, Priya and All, //One of the pointWhich has not been touched in Manju's post is, what is the demarcation point in delay and denial of marriage.// It would be good if we could state emphatically, "This is the demarcation point where marriage is denied". But it's just not as simple as that, there are many variations to marriage, as I'm sure you know. Let's look at some examples... 1) This native with afflicted Jupiter in 7th (aspected by 8th lord Moon) married young. The marriage was brief, ending in divorce...Venus inimically placed in 12th, conjunct 12th lord, and aspected by F/M Saturn. The native has been in a defacto relationship for the past 17 yrs and they have two children. 2) Pope John Paul ll is a good example of a celibate who renounced marriage for religion. No planets in 7th but 7th lord aspects from lagna. Karaka for 7th (Venus) is conjunct KE/ME in 9th. 3) This native, with no planets in 7th has 7th lord (conjunct lagnesh Venus and Moon) aspecting 7th from lagna...this native has never married. If you're looking for a definitive answer to what signifies denial of marriage rather than just delay, I cannot give you one as there are numerous variations. Certainly, if 7th house is unoccupied and its lord and/or karaka are badly placed, we might well declare denial of marriage. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "manjuch2001" <manjuch2001 > <jyotish-vidya> Friday, October 20, 2006 2:04 AM Re: delay and denial of marriage --hi priya welcome to this forum.I am also very much new to this forum.I fully agree with you this forum is very helpful for students like ours. Most of the times we are quite stuck up with one or another problem then i think this forum will help us ..As you have said i have not touched the demarcation point of delay and denial but if you go through the previous mssgs. you will find that my main question was only on this point that how to identify the denial or delay as most of the combinations are same. If there is delay then how to see how much delay. Anyway I hope by discussing together we shall come to some conclusion thanks manju chawla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Wendy ji, ///If the indications for marriage (or any event) are strong it will fructify (baring obstruction of course)--it' s not dependant on the (double) transit of Jupiter/Saturn (particularly) ./// I have heard that when Gochara Guru aspects the house occupied by Janma Sukra, there is a possibility of marriage. Of course, this needs support from Dasa-Antar-Pratyantar Nathas. Among the various conditions for good marriage is this--if Janma Sukra is disposited by Lagnadipati or Navamadipati, then one gets a good spouse. Again, this might be nullified if there are too many evil influences on Sukra/7th house/7th lord, right? ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Dear Balaji, //Among the various conditions for good marriage is this--if Janma Sukra is disposited by Lagnadipati or Navamadipati, then one gets a good spouse. Again, this might be nullified if there are too many evil influences on Sukra/7th house/7th lord, right?// Yes, you're right :-) The problem in giving a definitive answer is that there are so many possible variations, not the least of which is the transits at time when marriage (may) be indicated...see previous post on this. Previous Post: //The main point to remember is that mediocre marriage prospects can fructify if there is good support at the time (of relevant dasa), and even the most positive promise of marriage can fall away if there is strong obstruction, at the time.// Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "Balaji Narasimhan" <sherlockbalaji > <jyotish-vidya> Friday, October 20, 2006 12:28 PM Re: delay and denial of marriage Wendy ji, ///If the indications for marriage (or any event) are strong it will fructify (baring obstruction of course)--it' s not dependant on the (double) transit of Jupiter/Saturn (particularly) ./// I have heard that when Gochara Guru aspects the house occupied by Janma Sukra, there is a possibility of marriage. Of course, this needs support from Dasa-Antar-Pratyantar Nathas. Among the various conditions for good marriage is this--if Janma Sukra is disposited by Lagnadipati or Navamadipati, then one gets a good spouse. Again, this might be nullified if there are too many evil influences on Sukra/7th house/7th lord, right? ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Dear Wendy thank you very much for your reply. I have read the article on Argala and shall try to aplly on it and shall let you know in a day or two.Wish you and all the members of the forum a very HAPPY & PROSPEROUS DIWALI.MAY THIS DIWALI BRINGS GOOD LUCK AND ALL THE HAPPINESS OF THE WORLD TO ALL regards manju chawla -- In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > PS: You might study this chapter on 'Argala' > http://jyotishvidya.com/ch31.htm and apply it to the horoscope in question. > > I'll look forward to reading your observations... > > The main point to remember is that mediocre marriage prospects can fructify > if there is good support at the time (of relevant dasa), and even the most > positive promise of marriage can fall away if there is strong obstruction, > at the time. > > It can also simply indicate difficulties to overcome at time of marriage, or > a smooth and happy occasion with no difficulties. > > I might just add that marriage, quite obviously, is important to the native > in question and will be an important part of the native's life. We see this > with Moon in 7th in nakshatra of Venus. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish > <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:43 PM > Re: Re: delay and denial of marriage > > > Dear Manju, > > //And how to identify the dasha and antardasha in which the marriage > would take place// > > This is what was meant when I said; "If the indications for marriage (or any > event) are strong it will fructify (baring obstruction of course)." > > Marriage can occur during dasa/bhukti of 7th lord or planets associated with > it; During dasa/bhukti of planet in 7th or karaka for 7th (Venus) etc.. > However,one needs to consider all possible obstructive as well as supportive > influences (transits) at that particular time. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 //> PS: Navamsha also needs to be consulted,// Very true! 1. Lata mangeshkar: Venus occupies 12th in Navamsha 2. Mother Theresa: Venus is in 8th in both Rasi and Navamsha 3. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Venus is in 12th in Navamsha 4. Sarada Ma: Venus is in 12th in Navamsha 5. Atal Bihari Vajapeyee: Venus is in 12th in Navamsha Dear Wendy, I seem to have incorrect birth details of Pope John Paul II. Could you kindly share the details? Regards, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: > PS: Navamsha also needs to be consulted, as I'm sure you know! > In Pope John > Paul's chart, 7th lord Saturn occupies 12th (navamsha) in sign > of > Moon...12th lord in Rasi. In example 3) Venus, aspected by > Mars and conjunct > Saturn, occupies Scorpio (8th house in navamsha). This seems > to suggest > that, although marriage has been denied, celibacy may not > necessarily be the > reason. > > Input from other members would be appreciated :-) > _______________________________ > > > Dear Manju, Priya and All, > > //One of the pointWhich has not been touched in Manju's post > is, what is the > demarcation point in delay and denial of marriage.// > > It would be good if we could state emphatically, "This is the > demarcation > point where marriage is denied". But it's just not as simple > as that, there > are many variations to marriage, as I'm sure you know. > > Let's look at some examples... > > 1) This native with afflicted Jupiter in 7th (aspected by 8th > lord Moon) > married young. The marriage was brief, ending in > divorce...Venus inimically > placed in 12th, conjunct 12th lord, and aspected by F/M > Saturn. The native > has been in a defacto relationship for the past 17 yrs and > they have two > children. > > 2) Pope John Paul ll is a good example of a celibate who > renounced marriage > for religion. No planets in 7th but 7th lord aspects from > lagna. Karaka for > 7th (Venus) is conjunct KE/ME in 9th. > > 3) This native, with no planets in 7th has 7th lord (conjunct > lagnesh Venus > and Moon) aspecting 7th from lagna...this native has never > married. > > If you're looking for a definitive answer to what signifies > denial of > marriage rather than just delay, I cannot give you one as > there are numerous > variations. Certainly, if 7th house is unoccupied and its lord > and/or karaka > are badly placed, we might well declare denial of marriage. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > > Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 Dear Krishna, The data I have is: Pope John Paul II 18 May 1920 (13:00) Wadowice, Poland Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998 > <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, October 22, 2006 11:03 PM Re: Re: delay and denial of marriage //> PS: Navamsha also needs to be consulted,// Very true! 1. Lata mangeshkar: Venus occupies 12th in Navamsha 2. Mother Theresa: Venus is in 8th in both Rasi and Navamsha 3. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Venus is in 12th in Navamsha 4. Sarada Ma: Venus is in 12th in Navamsha 5. Atal Bihari Vajapeyee: Venus is in 12th in Navamsha Dear Wendy, I seem to have incorrect birth details of Pope John Paul II. Could you kindly share the details? Regards, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: > PS: Navamsha also needs to be consulted, as I'm sure you know! > In Pope John > Paul's chart, 7th lord Saturn occupies 12th (navamsha) in sign > of > Moon...12th lord in Rasi. In example 3) Venus, aspected by > Mars and conjunct > Saturn, occupies Scorpio (8th house in navamsha). This seems > to suggest > that, although marriage has been denied, celibacy may not > necessarily be the > reason. > > Input from other members would be appreciated :-) > _______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 Dear Sir Thank you very much for your reply and more information on Navamsha.I think this is correct as the horoscope i had earlier discussed with wendy also has Venus in 12th in Navamsha. So what should we say this is denial or delay as the examples you have given are all of denial in marriage. thanks once again regards manju - In jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > //> PS: Navamsha also needs to be consulted,// > > Very true! > > 1. Lata mangeshkar: Venus occupies 12th in Navamsha > 2. Mother Theresa: Venus is in 8th in both Rasi and Navamsha > 3. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Venus is in 12th in Navamsha > 4. Sarada Ma: Venus is in 12th in Navamsha > 5. Atal Bihari Vajapeyee: Venus is in 12th in Navamsha > > Dear Wendy, > > I seem to have incorrect birth details of Pope John Paul II. > Could you kindly share the details? > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > > > PS: Navamsha also needs to be consulted, as I'm sure you know! > > In Pope John > > Paul's chart, 7th lord Saturn occupies 12th (navamsha) in sign > > of > > Moon...12th lord in Rasi. In example 3) Venus, aspected by > > Mars and conjunct > > Saturn, occupies Scorpio (8th house in navamsha). This seems > > to suggest > > that, although marriage has been denied, celibacy may not > > necessarily be the > > reason. > > > > Input from other members would be appreciated :-) > > _______________________________ > > > > > > Dear Manju, Priya and All, > > > > //One of the pointWhich has not been touched in Manju's post > > is, what is the > > demarcation point in delay and denial of marriage.// > > > > It would be good if we could state emphatically, "This is the > > demarcation > > point where marriage is denied". But it's just not as simple > > as that, there > > are many variations to marriage, as I'm sure you know. > > > > Let's look at some examples... > > > > 1) This native with afflicted Jupiter in 7th (aspected by 8th > > lord Moon) > > married young. The marriage was brief, ending in > > divorce...Venus inimically > > placed in 12th, conjunct 12th lord, and aspected by F/M > > Saturn. The native > > has been in a defacto relationship for the past 17 yrs and > > they have two > > children. > > > > 2) Pope John Paul ll is a good example of a celibate who > > renounced marriage > > for religion. No planets in 7th but 7th lord aspects from > > lagna. Karaka for > > 7th (Venus) is conjunct KE/ME in 9th. > > > > 3) This native, with no planets in 7th has 7th lord (conjunct > > lagnesh Venus > > and Moon) aspecting 7th from lagna...this native has never > > married. > > > > If you're looking for a definitive answer to what signifies > > denial of > > marriage rather than just delay, I cannot give you one as > > there are numerous > > variations. Certainly, if 7th house is unoccupied and its lord > > and/or karaka > > are badly placed, we might well declare denial of marriage. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > jyotish-vidya > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > Krishna > http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 Dear Sir Thank you very much for your reply and more information on Navamsha.I think this is correct as the horoscope i had earlier discussed with wendy also has Venus in 12th in Navamsha. So what should we say this is denial or delay as the examples you have given are all of denial in marriage. thanks once again regards manju - In jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > //> PS: Navamsha also needs to be consulted,// > > Very true! > > 1. Lata mangeshkar: Venus occupies 12th in Navamsha > 2. Mother Theresa: Venus is in 8th in both Rasi and Navamsha > 3. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Venus is in 12th in Navamsha > 4. Sarada Ma: Venus is in 12th in Navamsha > 5. Atal Bihari Vajapeyee: Venus is in 12th in Navamsha > > Dear Wendy, > > I seem to have incorrect birth details of Pope John Paul II. > Could you kindly share the details? > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > > > PS: Navamsha also needs to be consulted, as I'm sure you know! > > In Pope John > > Paul's chart, 7th lord Saturn occupies 12th (navamsha) in sign > > of > > Moon...12th lord in Rasi. In example 3) Venus, aspected by > > Mars and conjunct > > Saturn, occupies Scorpio (8th house in navamsha). This seems > > to suggest > > that, although marriage has been denied, celibacy may not > > necessarily be the > > reason. > > > > Input from other members would be appreciated :-) > > _______________________________ > > > > > > Dear Manju, Priya and All, > > > > //One of the pointWhich has not been touched in Manju's post > > is, what is the > > demarcation point in delay and denial of marriage.// > > > > It would be good if we could state emphatically, "This is the > > demarcation > > point where marriage is denied". But it's just not as simple > > as that, there > > are many variations to marriage, as I'm sure you know. > > > > Let's look at some examples... > > > > 1) This native with afflicted Jupiter in 7th (aspected by 8th > > lord Moon) > > married young. The marriage was brief, ending in > > divorce...Venus inimically > > placed in 12th, conjunct 12th lord, and aspected by F/M > > Saturn. The native > > has been in a defacto relationship for the past 17 yrs and > > they have two > > children. > > > > 2) Pope John Paul ll is a good example of a celibate who > > renounced marriage > > for religion. No planets in 7th but 7th lord aspects from > > lagna. Karaka for > > 7th (Venus) is conjunct KE/ME in 9th. > > > > 3) This native, with no planets in 7th has 7th lord (conjunct > > lagnesh Venus > > and Moon) aspecting 7th from lagna...this native has never > > married. > > > > If you're looking for a definitive answer to what signifies > > denial of > > marriage rather than just delay, I cannot give you one as > > there are numerous > > variations. Certainly, if 7th house is unoccupied and its lord > > and/or karaka > > are badly placed, we might well declare denial of marriage. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > jyotish-vidya > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > Krishna > http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Dear Wendy, Thanks for the info. It appears that I have wrong data. Regards, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: > Dear Krishna, > > The data I have is: > > Pope John Paul II > 18 May 1920 (13:00) > Wadowice, Poland > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998 > > <jyotish-vidya> > Sunday, October 22, 2006 11:03 PM > Re: Re: delay and denial of marriage > > > //> PS: Navamsha also needs to be consulted,// > > Very true! > > 1. Lata mangeshkar: Venus occupies 12th in Navamsha > 2. Mother Theresa: Venus is in 8th in both Rasi and Navamsha > 3. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Venus is in 12th in Navamsha > 4. Sarada Ma: Venus is in 12th in Navamsha > 5. Atal Bihari Vajapeyee: Venus is in 12th in Navamsha > > Dear Wendy, > > I seem to have incorrect birth details of Pope John Paul II. > Could you kindly share the details? > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote: > > > PS: Navamsha also needs to be consulted, as I'm sure you > know! > > In Pope John > > Paul's chart, 7th lord Saturn occupies 12th (navamsha) in > sign > > of > > Moon...12th lord in Rasi. In example 3) Venus, aspected by > > Mars and conjunct > > Saturn, occupies Scorpio (8th house in navamsha). This seems > > to suggest > > that, although marriage has been denied, celibacy may not > > necessarily be the > > reason. > > > > Input from other members would be appreciated :-) > > _______________________________ > > > Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Dear Manju, One should not conclude blindly by mere one condition (Venus in the 12th). This condition could be a strong indicator. It could be necessary condition and need not be a sufficient condition. More research should be done before coming to a conclusion. It would be a good exercise for you if you are willing to spend time. In addition to this condition, one should study 7th lord and 7th house as well (both in Rasi and Navamsha). Also, it may be necessary to look at things from Moon as well. Regards, Krishna --- manjuch2001 <manjuch2001 > wrote: > Dear Sir > Thank you very much for your reply and more information on > Navamsha.I > think this is correct as the horoscope i had earlier discussed > with > wendy also has Venus in 12th in Navamsha. So what should we > say this > is denial or delay as the examples you have given are all of > denial > in marriage. thanks once again > regards > manju > - In jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > //> PS: Navamsha also needs to be consulted,// > > > > Very true! > > > > 1. Lata mangeshkar: Venus occupies 12th in Navamsha > > 2. Mother Theresa: Venus is in 8th in both Rasi and Navamsha > > 3. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa: Venus is in 12th in Navamsha > > 4. Sarada Ma: Venus is in 12th in Navamsha > > 5. Atal Bihari Vajapeyee: Venus is in 12th in Navamsha > > > > Dear Wendy, > > > > I seem to have incorrect birth details of Pope John Paul II. > > Could you kindly share the details? > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > > > > > PS: Navamsha also needs to be consulted, as I'm sure you > know! > > > In Pope John > > > Paul's chart, 7th lord Saturn occupies 12th (navamsha) in > sign > > > of > > > Moon...12th lord in Rasi. In example 3) Venus, aspected by > > > Mars and conjunct > > > Saturn, occupies Scorpio (8th house in navamsha). This > seems > > > to suggest > > > that, although marriage has been denied, celibacy may not > > > necessarily be the > > > reason. > > > > > > Input from other members would be appreciated :-) > > > _______________________________ > > > > > > > > > Dear Manju, Priya and All, > > > > > > //One of the pointWhich has not been touched in Manju's > post > > > is, what is the > > > demarcation point in delay and denial of marriage.// > > > > > > It would be good if we could state emphatically, "This is > the > > > demarcation > > > point where marriage is denied". But it's just not as > simple > > > as that, there > > > are many variations to marriage, as I'm sure you know. > > > > > > Let's look at some examples... > > > > > > 1) This native with afflicted Jupiter in 7th (aspected by > 8th > > > lord Moon) > > > married young. The marriage was brief, ending in > > > divorce...Venus inimically > > > placed in 12th, conjunct 12th lord, and aspected by F/M > > > Saturn. The native > > > has been in a defacto relationship for the past 17 yrs and > > > they have two > > > children. > > > > > > 2) Pope John Paul ll is a good example of a celibate who > > > renounced marriage > > > for religion. No planets in 7th but 7th lord aspects from > > > lagna. Karaka for > > > 7th (Venus) is conjunct KE/ME in 9th. > > > > > > 3) This native, with no planets in 7th has 7th lord > (conjunct > > > lagnesh Venus > > > and Moon) aspecting 7th from lagna...this native has never > > > married. > > > > > > If you're looking for a definitive answer to what > signifies > > > denial of > > > marriage rather than just delay, I cannot give you one as > > > there are numerous > > > variations. Certainly, if 7th house is unoccupied and its > lord > > > and/or karaka > > > are badly placed, we might well declare denial of > marriage. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > jyotish-vidya > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection > around > > > > > > > > Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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