Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Dear all, I am having one doubt, while doing meditation using rudraksh, How to rotate the rudraksh mala, either inward or outward. Because I got two different opinion from various people. Either any purpose is there doing inward or outward? Can any one clarify me ? OM NAMASHIVAYA thanks -sara Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 ** *How to do japam with Rudraksha * The Mala is traditionally held in the right hand and used in two ways In one method, the mala is hanging between the thumb and the ring (third) finger. The middle (second) finger is used to rotate the mala by one bead towards oneself with each repetition of the mantra In the other method, the mala is hanging on the middle finger, with the thumb used to rotate the mala just as explained - one bead at a time. Either way, the index finger is never used to touch the mala. The mala may coil on the floor with the hand resting on the right knee or used with the hand concealed in the Mala Bag The practice begins at the summit bead (sumeru) and continues around the loop until the summit is reached again. The summit bead is never passed over. So if you plan to do more than 1 round, the mala is turned around to proceed again in the reverse direction. Whenever the mala is taken up, it automatically conditions the mind to the meditative state. The mala that you use for Mantra Japa meditation should not be exhibited and is best kept privately in a special Mala Bag. (Picture of how to do japam is in attactment for your reference). Regards Prasanna Kumar [image: Mala is hanging between the thumb and the ring] [image: Finger is used to rotate the mala by one bead towards oneself with each repetition of the mantra.] On 10/11/06, saravanan T <ptamilsara (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > Dear all, > I am having one doubt, while doing meditation using rudraksh, > How to rotate the rudraksh mala, either inward or outward. Because I got two > different opinion from various people. Either any purpose is there doing > inward or outward? > > Can any one clarify me ? > > OM NAMASHIVAYA > > thanks > > -sara > > ------------------------------ > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India<http://us.rd./mail/in/yanswers/*http://in.answers./> > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get > it NOW<http://us.rd./mail/in/messengertagline/*http://in.messenger.> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Actually there are other ways of holding it as well, thought the index finger is not used in all traditions I have come across. Holding it up at the heart is also a very traditional place to keep ones hand. I have only seen inward rotation of the beads though. Bom Mahadev! Surya - prasanna kumar Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:34 PM Re: doubt on meditating process . . . . How to do japam with Rudraksha The Mala is traditionally held in the right hand and used in two ways In one method, the mala is hanging between the thumb and the ring (third) finger. The middle (second) finger is used to rotate the mala by one bead towards oneself with each repetition of the mantra In the other method, the mala is hanging on the middle finger, with the thumb used to rotate the mala just as explained - one bead at a time. Either way, the index finger is never used to touch the mala. The mala may coil on the floor with the hand resting on the right knee or used with the hand concealed in the Mala Bag The practice begins at the summit bead (sumeru) and continues around the loop until the summit is reached again. The summit bead is never passed over. So if you plan to do more than 1 round, the mala is turned around to proceed again in the reverse direction. Whenever the mala is taken up, it automatically conditions the mind to the meditative state. The mala that you use for Mantra Japa meditation should not be exhibited and is best kept privately in a special Mala Bag. (Picture of how to do japam is in attactment for your reference). Regards Prasanna Kumar On 10/11/06, saravanan T <ptamilsara (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear all, I am having one doubt, while doing meditation using rudraksh, How to rotate the rudraksh mala, either inward or outward. Because I got two different opinion from various people. Either any purpose is there doing inward or outward? Can any one clarify me ? OM NAMASHIVAYA thanks -sara ---------- Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 dear shiv bhakts om namo bhagawate rudraya further to the information shared by our learnt memebrs, i wish to add the following on the subject. japa is basically a repetition of one mantra. to do this repition one requiers a japa mala to count the repittion before he could do it within the heart (manasika japam). generally shaivites use a rudraksha mala and vaishnavaites use a tulasi mala for japam. if a person is doing the repition of a single mantra he starts recital of the mantra from the next bead of sumeru and once the 108 times repition is over, he starts rotating the mala anticlockwise i.e. not to cross the sumeru. some people keep few grains of rice or flowers and they keep one flower or grain of rice aside for every completed cycle of 108 times. but if one wish to chant one mantra only for 108 times he can cross the sumeru (to start reciting the next mantra) as that mantra is completed and another next mantra starts. for any mantra to get its siddhi, one must sit on a darbha asan (kusha grass). a person doing japam for vashikaran sits east facing. a person doing japam for punishing enemies sits south facing. a person doing japam for seeking wealth sits west facing. a person doing japam seeking peace sits north facing. the thumb signifies brahman (eternal god) and the index finger signifies the jiva (self). middle finger, ring finger and the little finger represent the three gunas (trigunatmaka shakti) viz. saatvik, rajasic and tamasic. hence people seeking tamasic results hold the japa mala with their thumb and little finger. people seeking rajasic results hold the japa mala with their thumb and the ring finger. people seeking saatvik results hold the japa mala with their thumb and the middle finger. people seeking self alignment with god out (after self realisation) hold the japa mala with their thumb and the index finger. however, since index finger represents the self and one wish to separate himself with the three gunas, index finger is not used by many as it is thought of a sort of self centred approach or ego. hence index finger is not advised for japam except by self realised souls as it indicates alignment of self (index finger)and god (thumb). the five fingers are termed as angustha, tarjani, madhyama, anamika and kanistha respectively for the thumb, index, middle, ring and little fingers. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun , "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote: > > Actually there are other ways of holding it as well, thought the index finger is not used in all traditions I have come across. > > Holding it up at the heart is also a very traditional place to keep ones hand. > > I have only seen inward rotation of the beads though. > > Bom Mahadev! > > Surya > - > prasanna kumar > > Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:34 PM > Re: doubt on meditating process . . . . > > > > > How to do japam with Rudraksha > > The Mala is traditionally held in the right hand and used in two ways > > In one method, the mala is hanging between the thumb and the ring (third) finger. The middle (second) finger is used to rotate the mala by one bead towards oneself with each repetition of the mantra > > In the other method, the mala is hanging on the middle finger, with the thumb used to rotate the mala just as explained - one bead at a time. > Either way, the index finger is never used to touch the mala. > > The mala may coil on the floor with the hand resting on the right knee or used with the hand concealed in the Mala Bag > > The practice begins at the summit bead (sumeru) and continues around the loop until the summit is reached again. The summit bead is never passed over. So if you plan to do more than 1 round, the mala is turned around to proceed again in the reverse direction. > > Whenever the mala is taken up, it automatically conditions the mind to the meditative state. The mala that you use for Mantra Japa meditation should not be exhibited and is best kept privately in a special Mala Bag. > > (Picture of how to do japam is in attactment for your reference). > > Regards > Prasanna Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/11/06, saravanan T <ptamilsara wrote: > Dear all, > I am having one doubt, while doing meditation using rudraksh, How to rotate the rudraksh mala, either inward or outward. Because I got two different opinion from various people. Either any purpose is there doing inward or outward? > > Can any one clarify me ? > > OM NAMASHIVAYA > > thanks > > -sara > > > > - --------- > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Panditji, This was a nice post but I must say I definitely disagree with the statment that one must sit on kusha grass to achieve siddhi of their mantra. There are many types of asan one can sit on. Some even stand. All can get siddhi. Also a mala is not needed whatsoever. It is only a tool to help us repeat the mantra more, or a prescribed number of times. One can count on their fingers just as easily, of just repeat the mantra without any counting. Best method is to repeat your mantra always--with each breath. If you can't do that, do it as much as possible. Soon the mantra just does itself. Bom Mahadev! Surya - panditarjun2004 Thursday, October 12, 2006 6:27 PM Re: doubt on meditating process . . . . dear shiv bhakts om namo bhagawate rudraya further to the information shared by our learnt memebrs, i wish to add the following on the subject. japa is basically a repetition of one mantra. to do this repition one requiers a japa mala to count the repittion before he could do it within the heart (manasika japam). generally shaivites use a rudraksha mala and vaishnavaites use a tulasi mala for japam. if a person is doing the repition of a single mantra he starts recital of the mantra from the next bead of sumeru and once the 108 times repition is over, he starts rotating the mala anticlockwise i.e. not to cross the sumeru. some people keep few grains of rice or flowers and they keep one flower or grain of rice aside for every completed cycle of 108 times. but if one wish to chant one mantra only for 108 times he can cross the sumeru (to start reciting the next mantra) as that mantra is completed and another next mantra starts. for any mantra to get its siddhi, one must sit on a darbha asan (kusha grass). a person doing japam for vashikaran sits east facing. a person doing japam for punishing enemies sits south facing. a person doing japam for seeking wealth sits west facing. a person doing japam seeking peace sits north facing. the thumb signifies brahman (eternal god) and the index finger signifies the jiva (self). middle finger, ring finger and the little finger represent the three gunas (trigunatmaka shakti) viz. saatvik, rajasic and tamasic. hence people seeking tamasic results hold the japa mala with their thumb and little finger. people seeking rajasic results hold the japa mala with their thumb and the ring finger. people seeking saatvik results hold the japa mala with their thumb and the middle finger. people seeking self alignment with god out (after self realisation) hold the japa mala with their thumb and the index finger. however, since index finger represents the self and one wish to separate himself with the three gunas, index finger is not used by many as it is thought of a sort of self centred approach or ego. hence index finger is not advised for japam except by self realised souls as it indicates alignment of self (index finger)and god (thumb). the five fingers are termed as angustha, tarjani, madhyama, anamika and kanistha respectively for the thumb, index, middle, ring and little fingers. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun , "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote: > > Actually there are other ways of holding it as well, thought the index finger is not used in all traditions I have come across. > > Holding it up at the heart is also a very traditional place to keep ones hand. > > I have only seen inward rotation of the beads though. > > Bom Mahadev! > > Surya > - > prasanna kumar > > Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:34 PM > Re: doubt on meditating process . . . . > > > > > How to do japam with Rudraksha > > The Mala is traditionally held in the right hand and used in two ways > > In one method, the mala is hanging between the thumb and the ring (third) finger. The middle (second) finger is used to rotate the mala by one bead towards oneself with each repetition of the mantra > > In the other method, the mala is hanging on the middle finger, with the thumb used to rotate the mala just as explained - one bead at a time. > Either way, the index finger is never used to touch the mala. > > The mala may coil on the floor with the hand resting on the right knee or used with the hand concealed in the Mala Bag > > The practice begins at the summit bead (sumeru) and continues around the loop until the summit is reached again. The summit bead is never passed over. So if you plan to do more than 1 round, the mala is turned around to proceed again in the reverse direction. > > Whenever the mala is taken up, it automatically conditions the mind to the meditative state. The mala that you use for Mantra Japa meditation should not be exhibited and is best kept privately in a special Mala Bag. > > (Picture of how to do japam is in attactment for your reference). > > Regards > Prasanna Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/11/06, saravanan T <ptamilsara wrote: > Dear all, > I am having one doubt, while doing meditation using rudraksh, How to rotate the rudraksh mala, either inward or outward. Because I got two different opinion from various people. Either any purpose is there doing inward or outward? > > Can any one clarify me ? > > OM NAMASHIVAYA > > thanks > > -sara > > > > ------------------------- --------- > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Panditji, mantra has to sing within you .............. the fuel is love of god........breath, kush grass, asanas are secondary. Bhakti is enough. Tarini Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: Panditji, This was a nice post but I must say I definitely disagree with the statment that one must sit on kusha grass to achieve siddhi of their mantra. There are many types of asan one can sit on. Some even stand. All can get siddhi. Also a mala is not needed whatsoever. It is only a tool to help us repeat the mantra more, or a prescribed number of times. One can count on their fingers just as easily, of just repeat the mantra without any counting. Best method is to repeat your mantra always--with each breath. If you can't do that, do it as much as possible. Soon the mantra just does itself. Bom Mahadev! Surya - panditarjun2004 Thursday, October 12, 2006 6:27 PM Re: doubt on meditating process . . . . dear shiv bhakts om namo bhagawate rudraya further to the information shared by our learnt memebrs, i wish to add the following on the subject. japa is basically a repetition of one mantra. to do this repition one requiers a japa mala to count the repittion before he could do it within the heart (manasika japam). generally shaivites use a rudraksha mala and vaishnavaites use a tulasi mala for japam. if a person is doing the repition of a single mantra he starts recital of the mantra from the next bead of sumeru and once the 108 times repition is over, he starts rotating the mala anticlockwise i.e. not to cross the sumeru. some people keep few grains of rice or flowers and they keep one flower or grain of rice aside for every completed cycle of 108 times. but if one wish to chant one mantra only for 108 times he can cross the sumeru (to start reciting the next mantra) as that mantra is completed and another next mantra starts. for any mantra to get its siddhi, one must sit on a darbha asan (kusha grass). a person doing japam for vashikaran sits east facing. a person doing japam for punishing enemies sits south facing. a person doing japam for seeking wealth sits west facing. a person doing japam seeking peace sits north facing. the thumb signifies brahman (eternal god) and the index finger signifies the jiva (self). middle finger, ring finger and the little finger represent the three gunas (trigunatmaka shakti) viz. saatvik, rajasic and tamasic. hence people seeking tamasic results hold the japa mala with their thumb and little finger. people seeking rajasic results hold the japa mala with their thumb and the ring finger. people seeking saatvik results hold the japa mala with their thumb and the middle finger. people seeking self alignment with god out (after self realisation) hold the japa mala with their thumb and the index finger. however, since index finger represents the self and one wish to separate himself with the three gunas, index finger is not used by many as it is thought of a sort of self centred approach or ego. hence index finger is not advised for japam except by self realised souls as it indicates alignment of self (index finger)and god (thumb). the five fingers are termed as angustha, tarjani, madhyama, anamika and kanistha respectively for the thumb, index, middle, ring and little fingers. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun , "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote: > > Actually there are other ways of holding it as well, thought the index finger is not used in all traditions I have come across. > > Holding it up at the heart is also a very traditional place to keep ones hand. > > I have only seen inward rotation of the beads though. > > Bom Mahadev! > > Surya > ----- Original Message ----- > prasanna kumar > > Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:34 PM > Re: doubt on meditating process . . . . > > > > > How to do japam with Rudraksha > > The Mala is traditionally held in the right hand and used in two ways > > In one method, the mala is hanging between the thumb and the ring (third) finger. The middle (second) finger is used to rotate the mala by one bead towards oneself with each repetition of the mantra > > In the other method, the mala is hanging on the middle finger, with the thumb used to rotate the mala just as explained - one bead at a time. > Either way, the index finger is never used to touch the mala. > > The mala may coil on the floor with the hand resting on the right knee or used with the hand concealed in the Mala Bag > > The practice begins at the summit bead (sumeru) and continues around the loop until the summit is reached again. The summit bead is never passed over. So if you plan to do more than 1 round, the mala is turned around to proceed again in the reverse direction. > > Whenever the mala is taken up, it automatically conditions the mind to the meditative state. The mala that you use for Mantra Japa meditation should not be exhibited and is best kept privately in a special Mala Bag. > > (Picture of how to do japam is in attactment for your reference). > > Regards > Prasanna Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/11/06, saravanan T <ptamilsara wrote: > Dear all, > I am having one doubt, while doing meditation using rudraksh, How to rotate the rudraksh mala, either inward or outward. Because I got two different opinion from various people. Either any purpose is there doing inward or outward? > > Can any one clarify me ? > > OM NAMASHIVAYA > > thanks > > -sara > > > > ------------------------- --------- > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Dear Mr.Prasannakumar, Regarding Usage of Japamala. You have to hold the Japamala with right hand means, Japamala will be on the index figure. Thumb nail will rotate the rudraksha beed inside. You have to put the starting beed on the index finger. that's what i do if it is helpful then u can refer with known elderly persons and can confirm. kamasastry Sairam Om Narayana Adi Narayana Dram Dattatreya Namaha On 10/12/06, Mahamuni Das <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: > > Actually there are other ways of holding it as well, thought the index > finger is not used in all traditions I have come across. > > Holding it up at the heart is also a very traditional place to keep ones > hand. > > I have only seen inward rotation of the beads though. > > Bom Mahadev! > > Surya > > - > ** prasanna kumar <groupowner.prasanna > > *To:* > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:34 PM > *Subject:* Re: doubt on meditating process . . . > . > > > > ** > *How to do japam with Rudraksha > * > The Mala is traditionally held in the right hand and used in two ways > > In one method, the mala is hanging between the thumb and the ring (third) > finger. The middle (second) finger is used to rotate the mala by one bead > towards oneself with each repetition of the mantra > > In the other method, the mala is hanging on the middle finger, with the > thumb used to rotate the mala just as explained - one bead at a time. > > Either way, the index finger is never used to touch the mala. > > The mala may coil on the floor with the hand resting on the right knee or > used with the hand concealed in the Mala Bag > > The practice begins at the summit bead (sumeru) and continues around the > loop until the summit is reached again. The summit bead is never passed > over. So if you plan to do more than 1 round, the mala is turned around to > proceed again in the reverse direction. > Whenever the mala is taken up, it automatically conditions the mind to the > meditative state. The mala that you use for Mantra Japa meditation should > not be exhibited and is best kept privately in a special Mala Bag. > > (Picture of how to do japam is in attactment for your reference). > > Regards > Prasanna Kumar > > > [image: Mala is hanging between the thumb and the ring] > [image: Finger is used to rotate the mala by one bead towards oneself with > each repetition of the mantra.] > > On 10/11/06, saravanan T <ptamilsara (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > I am having one doubt, while doing meditation using > > rudraksh, How to rotate the rudraksh mala, either inward or outward. Because > > I got two different opinion from various people. Either any purpose is > > there doing inward or outward? > > > > Can any one clarify me ? > > > > OM NAMASHIVAYA > > > > thanks > > > > -sara > > > > ------------------------------ > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India<http://us.rd./mail/in/yanswers/*http://in.answers./> > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get > > it NOW<http://us.rd./mail/in/messengertagline/*http://in.messenger.> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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