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All Gurus are frauds. Osho, whom you mention, himself drove around in

Mercedes, and ran several Nighclubs/Discos.

 

Basically, the usefullness of the Guru finished the day they invented

the printing press. You can find all the info you need in books, so

who needs a Guru?

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Like politicians, you get the Guru you deserve. Since most people are

hypocritical materialists with just a passing interest in

spirituality, thats the type of Guru they get.

 

Tatwamasi, there are 100's of books on Engineering, does that mean you

dont need a Teacher to become an engineer? A guru is more like a

supervisor, using his own experience to guide you, teaching you things

books skip over or barely cover.

 

Until the inner Guru wakes up, you need an external guru. But its not

easy to wake inner guru like these "New Agers" claim- its not enough

just to read the book and do some half hearted meditation.

 

Also, a guru keeps you humble, as no matter how much progress you

make, you realise it nothing compared to your guru, and you have to do

more. Most people who think they dont need a guru become satisfies

with just a little progress, as there is no one to push them and

expose their weaknesses.

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shanracerji

your words are completely true. I accept them.

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

 

shanracer <no_reply> wrote:

Like politicians, you get the Guru you deserve. Since most people are

hypocritical materialists with just a passing interest in

spirituality, thats the type of Guru they get.

 

Tatwamasi, there are 100's of books on Engineering, does that mean you

dont need a Teacher to become an engineer? A guru is more like a

supervisor, using his own experience to guide you, teaching you things

books skip over or barely cover.

 

Until the inner Guru wakes up, you need an external guru. But its not

easy to wake inner guru like these "New Agers" claim- its not enough

just to read the book and do some half hearted meditation.

 

Also, a guru keeps you humble, as no matter how much progress you

make, you realise it nothing compared to your guru, and you have to do

more. Most people who think they dont need a guru become satisfies

with just a little progress, as there is no one to push them and

expose their weaknesses.

 

 

 

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The importance of a Guru cant be denied but having high hopes that

our Guru will give us Mukti or God will take us to the enlightenment

may prove fatal to sadhna.

 

Some sadhka take example of Vivekananda and think they will be given

everything by guru as Paramhansa Ramakrishana gave to Vivekananada.

These type of sadhaka keep changing gurus in the hope of getting a

miraculous guru.

 

We should remember that a real guru or Mahapurusha does not shower his

blessings on a particular person. Even personal service by a disciple

may not attract his guru to do Shakti Paat on him. The real Gurus do

not do Kripa on a particular person. They are neither happy with one

nor are angry with the other. They treat all as their own selves.

 

We have to attain a certain level of purity of mind and oncentration

before a Guru gives us further guidance. Gurus do not help lazy,

duffers and impure persons.

 

A real guru sees through his disciples and gets a glimpse of their

sadhna, their intensity of desire for God and the purity of their

mind. The one who is worth will get Shakti Paat from guru.

 

If there is an obstacle of old karma hindering such disciple's

progress guru will remove it by his powers and he shines with wisdom

like Vivekananada or Yogananda.

 

A Guru does not make reflectors. They remove the dirt from the

surface of the reflector and it starts shining and spreading light

all around.

 

So instead of waiting for a guru to come and rescue us, we should

start with our sadhna , make ourselves pure and pious and increase

our love for God. It is a well known fact that if we are pure,

hardworking and the desire for truth has taken deep roots into our

heart, a Guru is bound to be attracted to us and remove our remaining

obstacles.

 

Shri Tota Puri had travelled from Himalayas to Bengal to remove last

obstacle of paramhansa and made him established in Nirvikalapa

Samadhi. It was the greatness of Paramahansa which attracted Tota

puri, his last guru.

 

with love

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dear friend

 

Totapuri, an advaita follower could not control even his stomach pain and tried to commit suicide. How come such Totapuri can be the guru of Rama Krishna Paramahamsa, who was an incarnation of Lord.

 

at the lotus feet of swamiji

surya

 

 

beirutkababa <no_reply>

 

Thursday, October 12, 2006 5:52:00 PM

Re: Guru or No Guru?

 

Shri Tota Puri had travelled from Himalayas to Bengal to remove last

obstacle of paramhansa and made him established in Nirvikalapa

Samadhi. It was the greatness of Paramahansa which attracted Tota

puri, his last guru.

 

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, prakki surya <dattapr2000

wrote:

>

> dear friend

>

> Totapuri, an advaita follower could not control even his stomach

>pain and tried to commit suicide. How come such Totapuri can be the

>guru of Rama Krishna Paramahamsa, who was an incarnation of Lord.

>----------------------

 

Dear Surya,

 

First please tell me where did you get this information...because

I have never heard of this. Will you please quote the source???

 

Secondly, where and how did you form this opinion that a guru has

to have a divine body, and his body must be out of the reach of

natural calamities??

 

If a guru gets some physical ailments, that does not reduce his

status as guru....Our body is subject to corrosion, illness and

death, and there is no guru anywhere who got a body out of the

bounds of illness

 

Shri Paramhansa was suffering from throat cancer!

Shankracharya suffered due to rectum sores

jesus was cruicified

Krishna was killed by an ordinary hunter!!!

 

What ever is the status of the guru, he never tries to get his

physical body out of the realms of Nature...as by doing this he

would be breaking the laws made by God.

 

It is the mind, soul and inner strength of a guru which

matters...not the body

 

with my love

 

baba

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Very true. The body which has been created from the 5 elements goes

back to the elements-what is the bad thing about it? The whole purpose

of sadhna is to rise above the body & the elements & Gunas.

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