Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 All Gurus are frauds. Osho, whom you mention, himself drove around in Mercedes, and ran several Nighclubs/Discos. Basically, the usefullness of the Guru finished the day they invented the printing press. You can find all the info you need in books, so who needs a Guru? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Like politicians, you get the Guru you deserve. Since most people are hypocritical materialists with just a passing interest in spirituality, thats the type of Guru they get. Tatwamasi, there are 100's of books on Engineering, does that mean you dont need a Teacher to become an engineer? A guru is more like a supervisor, using his own experience to guide you, teaching you things books skip over or barely cover. Until the inner Guru wakes up, you need an external guru. But its not easy to wake inner guru like these "New Agers" claim- its not enough just to read the book and do some half hearted meditation. Also, a guru keeps you humble, as no matter how much progress you make, you realise it nothing compared to your guru, and you have to do more. Most people who think they dont need a guru become satisfies with just a little progress, as there is no one to push them and expose their weaknesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 shanracerji your words are completely true. I accept them. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya shanracer <no_reply> wrote: Like politicians, you get the Guru you deserve. Since most people are hypocritical materialists with just a passing interest in spirituality, thats the type of Guru they get. Tatwamasi, there are 100's of books on Engineering, does that mean you dont need a Teacher to become an engineer? A guru is more like a supervisor, using his own experience to guide you, teaching you things books skip over or barely cover. Until the inner Guru wakes up, you need an external guru. But its not easy to wake inner guru like these "New Agers" claim- its not enough just to read the book and do some half hearted meditation. Also, a guru keeps you humble, as no matter how much progress you make, you realise it nothing compared to your guru, and you have to do more. Most people who think they dont need a guru become satisfies with just a little progress, as there is no one to push them and expose their weaknesses. Messages in this topic (4) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls | Calendar Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un . Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 The importance of a Guru cant be denied but having high hopes that our Guru will give us Mukti or God will take us to the enlightenment may prove fatal to sadhna. Some sadhka take example of Vivekananda and think they will be given everything by guru as Paramhansa Ramakrishana gave to Vivekananada. These type of sadhaka keep changing gurus in the hope of getting a miraculous guru. We should remember that a real guru or Mahapurusha does not shower his blessings on a particular person. Even personal service by a disciple may not attract his guru to do Shakti Paat on him. The real Gurus do not do Kripa on a particular person. They are neither happy with one nor are angry with the other. They treat all as their own selves. We have to attain a certain level of purity of mind and oncentration before a Guru gives us further guidance. Gurus do not help lazy, duffers and impure persons. A real guru sees through his disciples and gets a glimpse of their sadhna, their intensity of desire for God and the purity of their mind. The one who is worth will get Shakti Paat from guru. If there is an obstacle of old karma hindering such disciple's progress guru will remove it by his powers and he shines with wisdom like Vivekananada or Yogananda. A Guru does not make reflectors. They remove the dirt from the surface of the reflector and it starts shining and spreading light all around. So instead of waiting for a guru to come and rescue us, we should start with our sadhna , make ourselves pure and pious and increase our love for God. It is a well known fact that if we are pure, hardworking and the desire for truth has taken deep roots into our heart, a Guru is bound to be attracted to us and remove our remaining obstacles. Shri Tota Puri had travelled from Himalayas to Bengal to remove last obstacle of paramhansa and made him established in Nirvikalapa Samadhi. It was the greatness of Paramahansa which attracted Tota puri, his last guru. with love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 dear friend Totapuri, an advaita follower could not control even his stomach pain and tried to commit suicide. How come such Totapuri can be the guru of Rama Krishna Paramahamsa, who was an incarnation of Lord. at the lotus feet of swamiji surya beirutkababa <no_reply> Thursday, October 12, 2006 5:52:00 PM Re: Guru or No Guru? Shri Tota Puri had travelled from Himalayas to Bengal to remove last obstacle of paramhansa and made him established in Nirvikalapa Samadhi. It was the greatness of Paramahansa which attracted Tota puri, his last guru. with love. Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. http://smallbusiness./r-index Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > > dear friend > > Totapuri, an advaita follower could not control even his stomach >pain and tried to commit suicide. How come such Totapuri can be the >guru of Rama Krishna Paramahamsa, who was an incarnation of Lord. >---------------------- Dear Surya, First please tell me where did you get this information...because I have never heard of this. Will you please quote the source??? Secondly, where and how did you form this opinion that a guru has to have a divine body, and his body must be out of the reach of natural calamities?? If a guru gets some physical ailments, that does not reduce his status as guru....Our body is subject to corrosion, illness and death, and there is no guru anywhere who got a body out of the bounds of illness Shri Paramhansa was suffering from throat cancer! Shankracharya suffered due to rectum sores jesus was cruicified Krishna was killed by an ordinary hunter!!! What ever is the status of the guru, he never tries to get his physical body out of the realms of Nature...as by doing this he would be breaking the laws made by God. It is the mind, soul and inner strength of a guru which matters...not the body with my love baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Very true. The body which has been created from the 5 elements goes back to the elements-what is the bad thing about it? The whole purpose of sadhna is to rise above the body & the elements & Gunas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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