About my experience with Christianity Thanks Sir!!

[Guest guest]

continuing ---

 

I hated the choir led by the over-eager to please her white masters

and grey mistresses Ms. FORGET HER NAME who insulted us after weeks

of practice and called us names and blasted us, "YOU ALL (meaning

what?) sound like engine ka seetie (whistles of railway

locomotives!)! I wondered if Father Principle was mistaken and gave

me a 10/10 and came after me and sent me to the choir? Of course he

was German and could not really judge me and gauge me, right? As well

as an indian sounding and looking nun/teacher could, right? Even

Madam Noronah who came to school on a scooter (so half-indian but she

was an angloindian -- the one who let me into the choir!) and was not

a nun, I assure you -- was so kinder and forgiving than some of the

nuns and fathers!

 

But there was also a non-catholic influence. This was a protestant

teacher named Mr. Narendra Singh Chowhan that stepped into my life

back then in the sixties as well. He was a very handsome man, one of

the tallest Indians I ever remember. We were all in awe of him and

scared of him. Until we experienced him in grades seven and further.

He was studying M.A. in political science and very polished. He

taught us english and social science and he built our characters and

our love of language.

 

Whatever I am, I have much to thank him for coming into my life, for

illuminating my life, kindly, gently, almost silently ...

 

Never has been a teacher ever like him -- if I am fortunate ever to

experience in my life that remain -- he or she has a tough competion

to match up to! Chowhan Saheb! I met him for the last time back in

early 80s when I was visiting India when my dad had died. I am not

sure how he knew but he came to visit me and paid his tributes to my

Dad who he respected a lot and also because he loved me. I have not

heard from him or had any contact with him since then.

 

Very recently, I lost my mother and eldest brother within five days

of each other in August this year. After a very harrowing fortnight,

I returned home and still recovering from the tragedies, a phone call

came. I picked up and it took me to a few seconds to suddenly realize

that Chowhan Sir was calling me!

 

What are the odds of a beloved teacher who is the only reason why I

even learned the languages, hindi and english and learned with a

certain love and manage to entertain so many on the net with --

calling me out of the blue decades since the last significant death

and loss in my life, calling at the moment of my deepest tragedy, yet

again out of the blue, or instinctively or for whatever reason at the

very moment when I was feeling so low!

 

He is still Christian -- though I did not have the need to confirm,

and I am still looking for the perfect religion ...!

 

Miracles do not exist, you folks ask?

 

Think again!

 

Thank you SIR!! Pranaaams -- something I never really did to you!!!

 

Ranjan

 

 

 

, "Rohiniranjan"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Anand,

>

> Your musical answer without elaboration (12 swaras? tell us more

> since I am non-musical and only know or have heard of 7 notes in

> different scales and musical realms!) is confusing.

>

> Navamshas are only nine, an octave of nine that uses 12 notes!

> Dreshkanas are octaves of three using 12 notes

> Trishamshas move away from the norm of notes and octaves

> as do Horas!

>

> Maybe I am interpreting and translating astrology into musical

> reality wrongly! Good to have a musician like you amongst us to

> explain and educate us about the music of the spheres through

earthly

> music or what we know of it!

>

> Please explain!

>

> We are all very confused here on this board, so while invigorated

by

> yet another analogy (or is it a metaphor), you leave us more

> confused, Sir/Madam.

>

> Please illuminate us and I say this not sarcastically as often

> accused of, but humbly!

>

> Music has been a very moving experience in my life -- I always

loved

> to sing and hum. When I was in grade six or something, just before

> christmas in my catholic school (STOP being nosey, okay?) Father

> Lorenzio whatever challenged us to test. The test was simple: I had

> to just sing the tones he played on the harmonium! Only in India,

> only in the sixties, only in MY school could that happen! I got top

> marks but stayed back until he came back few days later and

wondered

> why the heck I was still in the class and did not choir? <Talk

about

> communication mishaps -- my nemesis even today, decades hence and

> NEVER once because I did not understand! The instructions were

never

> clearly given!! Someday I will talk to you about my marriage.

>

> Anyway, the German priest sent me to the choir, the angloindian

lady

> smiled when I succumbed to her test by copying her pitch (I still

had

> a high voice then!) and she smiled but let me in to sing

the "Silent

> Night" choir, that still gives me a lot of PEACE when I hear it.

>

> I love listening to music, I never could manage to learn music, my

> unfulfilled ambition is to one day to be able to play the violin.

>

> It would sound silly to some, many, hopefully not all!

>

> If the latter, then I must be on the wrong forum or my friends are

on

> some kind of holiday today!

>

> RR

>

> I hated the school choir, conducted by the

>

> , Anand <anand.ghurye@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Jyotish (Vedic Astrology) and RemediesDear All ,

> >

> > This is in response to Rohini Ranjan's question and some of the

> reactions thereto . I believe that rather than looking at the

Rashis

> as divisions of mankind , let us look at them as the origin of the

> mankind . I will elaborate here . The population has not been

divided

> into twelve rashis , rather it springs from the twelve rashis or

> twelve streams. along the way , we can add the navamshas ,

> degrees ,etc which are like the areas through which the stream

> proceeds and gets coloured . I will try to give here the analogy of

> music . There is lots and lots of variety of music all over the

> world , all of which can be expressed in terms of twelve swaras .

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Anand

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Some of us are listening or rather reading. The forum

quiet and transforming as all entities do.

There are bonds which are timeless and in this

time-ticking journey of life sometimes allow us the

privilege to be consciously aware of them.

And instinct whether realised or not plays a role. Do

carry on...

Religions not perfect only the devotees are perfect.

rishi

 

--- Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

> continuing ---

>

> I hated the choir led by the over-eager to please

> her white masters

> and grey mistresses Ms. FORGET HER NAME who insulted

> us after weeks

> of practice and called us names and blasted us, "YOU

> ALL (meaning

> what?) sound like engine ka seetie (whistles of

> railway

> locomotives!)! I wondered if Father Principle was

> mistaken and gave

> me a 10/10 and came after me and sent me to the

> choir? Of course he

> was German and could not really judge me and gauge

> me, right? As well

> as an indian sounding and looking nun/teacher could,

> right? Even

> Madam Noronah who came to school on a scooter (so

> half-indian but she

> was an angloindian -- the one who let me into the

> choir!) and was not

> a nun, I assure you -- was so kinder and forgiving

> than some of the

> nuns and fathers!

>

> But there was also a non-catholic influence. This

> was a protestant

> teacher named Mr. Narendra Singh Chowhan that

> stepped into my life

> back then in the sixties as well. He was a very

> handsome man, one of

> the tallest Indians I ever remember. We were all in

> awe of him and

> scared of him. Until we experienced him in grades

> seven and further.

> He was studying M.A. in political science and very

> polished. He

> taught us english and social science and he built

> our characters and

> our love of language.

>

> Whatever I am, I have much to thank him for coming

> into my life, for

> illuminating my life, kindly, gently, almost

> silently ...

>

> Never has been a teacher ever like him -- if I am

> fortunate ever to

> experience in my life that remain -- he or she has a

> tough competion

> to match up to! Chowhan Saheb! I met him for the

> last time back in

> early 80s when I was visiting India when my dad had

> died. I am not

> sure how he knew but he came to visit me and paid

> his tributes to my

> Dad who he respected a lot and also because he loved

> me. I have not

> heard from him or had any contact with him since

> then.

>

> Very recently, I lost my mother and eldest brother

> within five days

> of each other in August this year. After a very

> harrowing fortnight,

> I returned home and still recovering from the

> tragedies, a phone call

> came. I picked up and it took me to a few seconds to

> suddenly realize

> that Chowhan Sir was calling me!

>

> What are the odds of a beloved teacher who is the

> only reason why I

> even learned the languages, hindi and english and

> learned with a

> certain love and manage to entertain so many on the

> net with --

> calling me out of the blue decades since the last

> significant death

> and loss in my life, calling at the moment of my

> deepest tragedy, yet

> again out of the blue, or instinctively or for

> whatever reason at the

> very moment when I was feeling so low!

>

> He is still Christian -- though I did not have the

> need to confirm,

> and I am still looking for the perfect religion

> ...!

>

> Miracles do not exist, you folks ask?

>

> Think again!

>

> Thank you SIR!! Pranaaams -- something I never

> really did to you!!!

>

> Ranjan

>

>

>

> ,

> "Rohiniranjan"

> <jyotish_vani wrote:

> >

> > Anand,

> >

> > Your musical answer without elaboration (12

> swaras? tell us more

> > since I am non-musical and only know or have heard

> of 7 notes in

> > different scales and musical realms!) is

> confusing.

> >

> > Navamshas are only nine, an octave of nine that

> uses 12 notes!

> > Dreshkanas are octaves of three using 12 notes

> > Trishamshas move away from the norm of notes and

> octaves

> > as do Horas!

> >

> > Maybe I am interpreting and translating astrology

> into musical

> > reality wrongly! Good to have a musician like you

> amongst us to

> > explain and educate us about the music of the

> spheres through

> earthly

> > music or what we know of it!

> >

> > Please explain!

> >

> > We are all very confused here on this board, so

> while invigorated

> by

> > yet another analogy (or is it a metaphor), you

> leave us more

> > confused, Sir/Madam.

> >

> > Please illuminate us and I say this not

> sarcastically as often

> > accused of, but humbly!

> >

> > Music has been a very moving experience in my life

> -- I always

> loved

> > to sing and hum. When I was in grade six or

> something, just before

> > christmas in my catholic school (STOP being nosey,

> okay?) Father

> > Lorenzio whatever challenged us to test. The test

> was simple: I had

> > to just sing the tones he played on the harmonium!

> Only in India,

> > only in the sixties, only in MY school could that

> happen! I got top

> > marks but stayed back until he came back few days

> later and

> wondered

> > why the heck I was still in the class and did not

> choir? <Talk

> about

> > communication mishaps -- my nemesis even today,

> decades hence and

> > NEVER once because I did not understand! The

> instructions were

> never

> > clearly given!! Someday I will talk to you about

> my marriage.

> >

> > Anyway, the German priest sent me to the choir,

> the angloindian

> lady

> > smiled when I succumbed to her test by copying her

> pitch (I still

> had

> > a high voice then!) and she smiled but let me in

> to sing

> the "Silent

> > Night" choir, that still gives me a lot of PEACE

> when I hear it.

> >

> > I love listening to music, I never could manage to

> learn music, my

> > unfulfilled ambition is to one day to be able to

> play the violin.

> >

> > It would sound silly to some, many, hopefully not

> all!

> >

> > If the latter, then I must be on the wrong forum

> or my friends are

> on

> > some kind of holiday today!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > I hated the school choir, conducted by the

> >

> > , Anand

> <anand.ghurye@>

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