Lifetime Ban from IAM, MAC owes me $25/registration plus one day wrk

[Guest guest]

(mostly reposted from F.S. zone, but some added)

 

I just received a phone call from Ken Steben (co-leader) of the DC

area satsang saying that because of my Negativity, specifically the

online SPEECH, that "the people at M.A. Center" told him never to

admit me to an IAM course, ever. Of course, I asked for

documentation, from either or both Ken and MAC and in like-

bureaucratic fashion, Ken said he'd ask. Hmm... the locals are the

ones advertising it and cancelling me, but have refused

documentation. Their grounds are my ONLINE SPEECH, saying it proves

I'd be disruptive in the class. Glad to see Dayamrita isn't taking

things personally. An earlier sent notice (email or other written)

would have been the most Dharmic. Dayamrita's such a coward, they

could have called or emailed me directly instead of their toadies.

 

I'm sending MAC a bill for my $25 registration, plus my net pay from

one day of work, since Saturday was scheduled off and it's short

notice. If they don't pay by November, I'll hopefully be able to

present my bill and IAM course request to Amma herself.

 

Yes, acceptance of all... WWAD? (What would Amma do?)

 

I have gotten some open-minded responses from the Prosper/sri seva

credit spamming. I'll take all the flack, having learned about an

old acquaintance's departure from Amma (very depressing for me) in

the process so it was worth it.

 

Someone order the trophy, as I'd bet I'm the first to receive a

lifetime ban from IAM. Actually, I'd much prefer a medal...

 

tom

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm sending MAC a bill for my $25 registration, plus

> my net pay from

> one day of work, since Saturday was scheduled off

> and it's short

> notice. If they don't pay by November, I'll

> hopefully be able to

> present my bill and IAM course request to Amma

> herself.

>

> Yes, acceptance of all... WWAD? (What would Amma

> do?)

>

 

Blacklists.. lifetime bans.. sounds like they took a

page from Gurumayi and the SYDA gang!

 

are you going to take Amma to small claims court for

25 bucks? So will they also ban you from registering

for next month's retreat?

 

 

Keval

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

To be banned for life, with no chance for recourse, doesn't seem in line with Amma's teachings. She said something like when it seems all doors are closed, one is left a bit ajar.

 

Mike Brooker <patria1818 > wrote:

>

> I'm sending MAC a bill for my $25 registration, plus

> my net pay from

> one day of work, since Saturday was scheduled off

> and it's short

> notice. If they don't pay by November, I'll

> hopefully be able to

> present my bill and IAM course request to Amma

> herself.

>

> Yes, acceptance of all... WWAD? (What would Amma

> do?)

>

 

Blacklists.. lifetime bans.. sounds like they took a

page from Gurumayi and the SYDA gang!

 

are you going to take Amma to small claims court for

25 bucks? So will they also ban you from registering

for next month's retreat?

 

Keval

 

 

 

 

 

 

Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small Business.

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Namashivaya.

 

Also, Amma says (paraphrasing) that if we keep some one out

saying that they are bad, it's like buiding a hospital and

then avdertising "No patients allowed".

 

Also, I personally don't like the idea of punishing someone

just because they express thoughts that might be offensive

to other people - I feel that it may encourage hypocrisy

 

Namashivaya

Nirmala

 

 

 

Ammachi, Sweta Mitzel <swetabc wrote:

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> To be banned for life, with no chance for recourse, doesn't seem in

line with Amma's teachings. She said something like when it seems all

doors are closed, one is left a bit ajar.

>

> Mike Brooker <patria1818 wrote:

> >

> > I'm sending MAC a bill for my $25 registration, plus

> > my net pay from

> > one day of work, since Saturday was scheduled off

> > and it's short

> > notice. If they don't pay by November, I'll

> > hopefully be able to

> > present my bill and IAM course request to Amma

> > herself.

> >

> > Yes, acceptance of all... WWAD? (What would Amma

> > do?)

> >

>

> Blacklists.. lifetime bans.. sounds like they took a

> page from Gurumayi and the SYDA gang!

>

> are you going to take Amma to small claims court for

> 25 bucks? So will they also ban you from registering

> for next month's retreat?

>

> Keval

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help.

Small Business.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Om Namah Shivaya Tom,

 

Since you mentioned "what would Amma do?", this brought to mind an experience I had at Amritapuri several years ago where my roommate and a group of her hippy friends were partying loudly at one of the chai shops next to the ashram late one evening. Some of the swamis and brahmacharis came out and made them leave because they were making such a disturbance. My roommate was very distraught. If I remember correctly, they were told they would have to leave the ashram (she woke me up in the middle of the night to tell me this story, high on drugs).

 

She boldy went up to Amma the next day during the Q&A and relayed what had happened. Amma asked her if she was doing drugs. My roommate lied and said no, so Amma kindly allowed her and the other hippies to meet on the roof of the flats at night instead of at the chai shop. While the majority of residents and visiting Amma devotees were disappointed (as we thought they should be kicked out of the ashram for disrespecting the rules), Amma used this event to teach us a much needed lesson in forgiveness, tolerance and compassion.

 

Love,

 

Nischala

[Guest guest]

I agree that this ban does not fit with Amma's teaching.

 

I also think handing a bill to Amma is a terrible idea...

 

Max

 

>Also, Amma says (paraphrasing) that if we keep some one out

>saying that they are bad, it's like buiding a hospital and

>then avdertising "No patients allowed".

>

>Also, I personally don't like the idea of punishing someone

>just because they express thoughts that might be offensive

>to other people - I feel that it may encourage hypocrisy

>

>Namashivaya

>Nirmala

>

><Ammachi%40>Ammachi,

>Sweta Mitzel <swetabc wrote:

>>

>> To be banned for life, with no chance for recourse, doesn't seem in

>line with Amma's teachings. She said something like when it seems all

>doors are closed, one is left a bit ajar.

>>

>> Mike Brooker <patria1818 wrote:

>> >

>> > I'm sending MAC a bill for my $25 registration, plus

>> > my net pay from

>> > one day of work, since Saturday was scheduled off

>> > and it's short

>> > notice. If they don't pay by November, I'll

>> > hopefully be able to

>> > present my bill and IAM course request to Amma

>> > herself.

>> >

>> > Yes, acceptance of all... WWAD? (What would Amma

>> > do?)

>> >

>>

>> Blacklists.. lifetime bans.. sounds like they took a

> > page from Gurumayi and the SYDA gang!

 

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[Guest guest]

Om Namah Shivaya Tom,

 

Would you be able to find out specifically who at the MA Center, said you were banned for life from the IAM technique? It might not have been Swami Dayamrita. Since this is Amma's technique, wouldn't Amma need to be the one to make this decision?

 

I've noticed a significant change in your recent posts & very much appreciate the more positive nature of them.

 

Thank you,

 

Sweta

 

tom <tomgull (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: (mostly reposted from F.S. zone, but some added)

 

I just received a phone call from Ken Steben (co-leader) of the DC

area satsang saying that because of my Negativity, specifically the

online SPEECH, that "the people at M.A. Center" told him never to

admit me to an IAM course, ever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I'm expecting the retreat to be refused, but I'll find out soon. Or

they could be forcing me to go and see Amma about it. The original

problem was raised by the locals to MAC. I don't like when people

abuse their power just to get people to think their way. The event

is being held at Ken's house, and he probably doesn't want me is his

abode. Obviously the group doesn't like me because I won't pledge

allegiance to them or Dayamrita..

 

The whole thing is a royal pain, because taking the trip to get all

this cleared up will cost me more than I'm used to spending on

myself, and if I'm not able to get another job to supplement my

income soon.

 

I've received contact from a certain important person at MAC about

another issue, and I asked for clarification on this one, explaining

the circumstances. Had it been earlier and done properly, I'd be

more understanding.

 

I just want to take the class like anyone else. Previously I

hadn't because of the earlier stipulations advertised of "And will

commit to doing it daily" or something like that. Until now, I

haven't had the time to do a regulated sadhana like IAM.

 

I wasn't wrong about Jetsunma Ahkön Lhamo being a phony, and I'm not

wrong about Dayamrita or Shree Maa. Place your bets...

 

No small claims in my future, just more evidence for my documentary

on the gunas and my interactions with official devotees to

demonstrate them.

tom

 

 

Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818 wrote:

>

>

> >

> > I'm sending MAC a bill for my $25 registration, plus

> > my net pay from

> > one day of work, since Saturday was scheduled off

> > and it's short

> > notice. If they don't pay by November, I'll

> > hopefully be able to

> > present my bill and IAM course request to Amma

> > herself.

> >

> > Yes, acceptance of all... WWAD? (What would Amma

> > do?)

> >

>

> Blacklists.. lifetime bans.. sounds like they took a

> page from Gurumayi and the SYDA gang!

>

> are you going to take Amma to small claims court for

> 25 bucks? So will they also ban you from registering

> for next month's retreat?

>

>

> Keval

[Guest guest]

My point exactly for the esteemed officials. They're much too old,

and have been doing this too long to be taking my words personally.

Official leaders have the biggest responsibility in being a good

example of Amma's teachings.

 

I assert and will always assert, if someone stops going with their

feelings, and actually discriminates my actions with the facts of the

case(s), you'll understand why I say and do what I do. It's nothing

personal, but people tend to ignore things and go with their feelings

(rajas).

 

Had it been done properly, I wouldn't have minded. But what have I

always criticized Dayamrita and the DC satsang for? Not doing things

properly (Dharmic actions). The former-devotee I know who's left Amma

was someone you'd last expect it to happen to, and was a loyal satsang

goer, even though she knew it had problems. It was a great shock to

learn of it, and puts a new face of pain on those who've done similar.

 

tom

 

Ammachi, "Nischala" <nischala11 wrote:

>(snipped)

> Amma used this event to teach us a much needed lesson in

forgiveness, tolerance and compassion.

>

> Love,

>

> Nischala

>

[Guest guest]

I am also convinced if Tom changed his attitude , apologized the Lifetime Ban would be

lifted , Amma is about forgiveness and if we show effort in life to change , Who is to say we

do not have second chance , as a matter of fact we get millions of them .

good luck , joanna