A small piece on the Reflection concept - A late Question

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Laxminarain ji,

 

Eclipses can only happen at amavasya and purnima, solar in the former

case and lunar in the latter. Nodes also need to be conjoined,

because that is when the lights and earth line up.

 

RR

 

, Laxmi Narayan

<shrijishrihari wrote:

>

> Hello Pradeepji,

> I have to say straight away that I do not

know the abc of Jyotish Vidya. For this reason I read very few

letters. I saw your letter and then deleted it 2/3 days ago. Today I

was doing a meditation on Divine Sun in the Sky when your comments

flashed in my mind. Then I had to open my computer and retrieve your

letter from the deleted items.

> Here is the question. As I understand The Mahabharat battle

started on Mokshda Ekadeshi. So did this Solar Eclipse which you have

mentioned happened on that day?

> I have read in the publications from GitaPress, Vyasji saying

that there are three Eclipse this month and other configurations and

it will bring great trouble. The one Solar Eclipse would have

happened 11 days earlier. At that time armies would be gathering on

the battlefield.

> May be you meant that start.

>

> The movements of planets are complex. Does a mini eclipse happen

everyday because of these constant movements?? Could it be possible

some other configuration happened and it became eclipse. I am curious

because I have never read that a Solar Eclipse also happened on that

Ekadeshi day.

> Thanks anyway. Take care. Laxmi Narayan

>

>

> Dear Lakshmi ji

>

> Chandrashekhar ji gave some reference,out of his

> experience/knoweldge.

>

> I tried to understand and think it fully ,within my limitations and

> found them as helpful towards further understanding of Truths.

>

> During an internet search ,i could find the same.It is mentioned

> that Lord Rama and Lord krishna got intiated (deeksha during soorya

> grahana).

>

> I do not know nothing more than this.Kindly interpret using the

best

> of your abiltities and your likes/dislikes.Everybody is

right,except

> for the relativity or proximity or degree of ''rightness''.

>

> Pls find the link as you wished.

>

> http://www.siddhashram.org/s20000637.shtml

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> , "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Pradeep,

> >

> > Can you please give the link itself? I want to understand

> > whether "deeksha" as mentioned by you meant "mantra initiation"

> > or "mantra japa/other observances". The latter is the normal

> > occurrance and undertaken by every second Hindu.

> >

> > Do you mean that Sri Rama and sri Krishna received mantra

> initiation

> > during solar eclipse? Can you show me some confirmation regarding

> > this from Ramayana/Bhagavatham? Does the link mention them?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > >

> > > I am posting the search result for the benefit of others.

> > >

> > > The great importance of eclipses is well reflected in the

events

> of

> > > lives of the great Avataars (incarnations). Lord Ram for

example

> > had

> > > Diksha from his Guru at a time when an eclipse was going on.

> > Similarly

> > > Lord Krishna had Diksha during an eclipse. And the reason for

> this

> > is

> > > that during these moments it is very easy for the disciple to

> > imbibe

> > > fully the energy transferred into him by the Guru.

> > >

> > > The battle of Mahabharat was about to begin. The army of the

> > Kauravs

> > > was ready for the battle and its great warriors like Bheeshm,

> > > Dronacharya, Karna were mounted on their chariots. On the other

> > side

> > > the army of the Pandavs too stood ready waiting for the battle

> > trumpet

> > > to sound. The Pandavs asked Lord Krishna to give his assent for

> > > starting the fight. But Lord Krishna stopped them.

> > >

> > > He said - If the war starts now, any side would be likely to

> win.

> > But

> > > a few moments from now a solar eclipse is about to begin and if

> the

> > > war bugle is sounded then the Pandavs shall surely win. Lord

> > Krishna

> > > had realised the significance of the moments of eclipse and

> > history is

> > > a witness that all Kauravs were killed, while the five Pandavs

> > > remained unharmed just because the war was started at the right

> > moment

> > >

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > I am glad for the reference. It seems I wan not wrong in my

> > > > understanding of the reason or the Muhurta for Deeksha.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for the correction/giuidance.I made a quick search

> and

> > found

> > > > > -Lord Rama, Krishna taking deeksha during Soorya Grahana.

> > > > >

> > > > > Respect

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That is one way of looking at it. Deeksha is in a way

self

> > devotion

> > > > > to a

> > > > > > person (guru) or god ( for the person taking

> > deeksha)/dedication

> > > and if

> > > > > > one has ego he will simply not be able to do this. That

is

> > why Surya

> > > > > > eclipse is the most important muhurta to give deeksha. Or

> at

> > > least that

> > > > > > is my understanding.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for guiding me.

> > > > > > > Also i feel deeksha is for direction and direction is

> > light.If we

> > > > > > > think we have all the light then there is no room for

> > light to

> > > > > come in.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respect

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You did understand what I was telling about deekksha

> and

> > the

> > > > > reason why

> > > > > > > > Surya grahana is very auspicious for giving Deeksha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1)Brahman has no feelings.How about the mirror

within

> > > you?.Did you

> > > > > > > > > notice myslef equating water to MIND.Literal

> meanings

> > may

> > > not help

> > > > > > > > > us.Kindly attempt again.Infact the literal

> > interpretation from

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > part did reduce my passion to reply.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2)Manas Ahankara etc are Jadas.Para prakrithi has

to

> > enliven

> > > > > > > > > this.Thought arises from a thinker.It is upto you to

> > > decide and

> > > > > > > > > remain happy at thought level.For me dual identity

> (ego

> > > > > thought) is a

> > > > > > > > > false identification of a thinker who has forgotten

> > his real

> > > > > > > > > identity.But this identity has a purpose.Karma and

> HIS

> > > > > > > > > leelas.Brahman has no false identity at all.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3)Mata Amritanda Mayi says when lovers talk to each

> > other they

> > > > > > > > > experience Ananda.Similarly we have kamuki kamuka

> > bhava within

> > > > > > > > > us.SHE bhava is Jeevatma and HE bhava is

> Paramatma.If

> > we

> > > try to

> > > > > > > > > understand this statement of AMMA we will know in

> > reality

> > > there is

> > > > > > > > > only a bindu.When the unclear extends the clear

> > > manifests.When the

> > > > > > > > > chaitanya behind manifested returns ,they become

> > one.But this

> > > > > > > > > extension always results in ''I'' feeling.This is

> > needed for

> > > > > > > > > discharging Karma.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4)I feel if we stop these verbal exchanges and can

> do

> > a self

> > > > > > > > > seeking,things would be more clear.Close your

> eyes,sit

> > in

> > > silence

> > > > > > > > > with no thought - No Space no Mind no Time.Slowly

> open

> > your

> > > > > eyes and

> > > > > > > > > release breath.Space/Mind/Time all can be

> > > understood.Tattwa behind

> > > > > > > > > Universe will unfold for you.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3)Jyotish is not for realized souls.It is for those

> > within the

> > > > > > > > > clutches of Space and Time.Hence in jyotish, Surya

> > > represents the

> > > > > > > > > Atma of Kalapurusha.He is Divakara and Moon

> > Nishakara.They

> > > > > rule half

> > > > > > > > > the rashis each and both are kings.Mutual

dependence

> is

> > > not about

> > > > > > > > > existence but for discharging functions.

> > (Paurusha/Karya sidhis

> > > > > > > > > through atma and mana prabhavas respectively).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pramana.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Atma Sahethi Manasa Mana Indriyena

> > > > > > > > > Swardhena Chendriyagana Krama Evamesha

> > > > > > > > > Yogoyameva Manasa KimaGamyamasthi

> > > > > > > > > Yasmin Mano Prajathi Tathra GathoyaMatma ithi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Atma moves along with mind,Mind with

> Indriyas,Indriyas

> > with

> > > > > > > > > Vishayas ...the general order.What cannot be

> achieved

> > if

> > > there is

> > > > > > > > > yoga of mind?.Wherever Mind goes so goes Atma.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Also - ''Atma ManasorithareyTharashrayatwat

> > > > > SooryaChandraMasorEkasya

> > > > > > > > > Balawat Itharasya Balisidhi'' - Due to mutual

> > dependence of

> > > > > Sun and

> > > > > > > > > Moon, srength of one renders the other strong.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3)Atmakaraka - It is fine.Now please explain why,

> one

> > with

> > > - Chara

> > > > > > > > > atma karaka as Sun should try to overcome ego and

> > become

> > > > > humble'' .

> > > > > > > > > This i feel will end all our doubts.If you remember

> our

> > > > > debates got

> > > > > > > > > started because of Chandrashekhar jis point.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4)Mantra is for mind and through Mantra sidhi mind

> will

> > > stay tuned

> > > > > > > > > (Yoga), with what it has to.During Grahana there is

> a

> > forced

> > > > > > > > > detachment(influence of Sun) and one will submit

> > oneself

> > > to Guru

> > > > > > > > > without a dual feeling or ego.Chandrashekhar ji may

> > > correct me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My understanding is no better than yours :--)),

> and

> > yes,

> > > both of

> > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > are benefiting from this discussion.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ok, let's take your example of reflection on

> water.

> > As

> > > you said,

> > > > > > > > > > when a stone is thrown the image is shattered.

> It's

> > fine

> > > > > thus far

> > > > > > > > > > and I agree with you.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You also said that that the reflection attaches

> > itself with

> > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > > and feels shattered/happy. How do you know if

> this?

> > Have you

> > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > the reflection wince in pain, have you seen it

> grin

> > in

> > > pleasure?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Suppose I stand before a mirror, I see my

> > reflection, when I

> > > > > move

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > moves, when I laugh, it laughs, when I grimace,

it

> > also

> > > does so.

> > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > reflection at all times is of me and never

becomes

> > the

> > > property

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the mirror and reflect its sentiments. Suppose I

> move

> > > away, will

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > reflection stay back with the mirror? Is the

> > reflection of

> > > > > > > > > Brahman

> > > > > > > > > > capable of showing any feeling, which is not

shown

> > on the

> > > > > Brahman...

> > > > > > > > > > which is independent of Brahman? And is the

Brahman

> > > subject to

> > > > > > > > > > feelings?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ahankaara

> > > > > > > > > > ---------------

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In Jnana-vijnana yoga (Chapter 7) from

> Bhagavadgita,

> > the

> > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > says

> > > > > > > > > > thus...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ

> > > > > > > > > > khaḿ mano buddhir eva ca

> > > > > > > > > > ahańkāra itīyaḿ me

> > > > > > > > > > bhinnā prakṛtir

aṣṭadhā

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The mind, intellect, ego, ether, air, fire,

water,

> > and

> > > earth are

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > eightfold transformation of My Prakriti.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > apareyam itas tv anyāḿ

> > > > > > > > > > prakṛtiḿ viddhi me parām

> > > > > > > > > > jīva-bhūtāḿ mahā-

> bāho

> > > > > > > > > > yayedaḿ dhāryate jagat

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This Prakriti is My lower energy. My other higher

> > energy

> > > is the

> > > > > > > > > > Purusha by which this entire universe is

> sustained, O

> > > Arjuna.

> > > > > > > > > > Clearly linking "ego" with Prakriti and not with

> > Purusha.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have earlier also quoted from puranas (srishti

> > krama),

> > > > > about the

> > > > > > > > > > constituents of ahamkaara, I eagerly await your

> > response

> > > for the

> > > > > > > > > > same and the above.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Soul or reflection of soul?

> > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > From Chapter 10 (Vibhuti yoga), Bhagavan also

says

> > that

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > aham ātmā guḍākeśa

> > > > > > > > > > sarva-bhūtāśaya-sthitaḥ

> > > > > > > > > > aham ādiś ca madhyaḿ ca

> > > > > > > > > > bhūtānām anta eva ca

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am the Supersoul, O Arjuna, seated in the

hearts

> of

> > > all living

> > > > > > > > > > entities. I am the beginning, the middle and the

> end

> > of all

> > > > > beings.

> > > > > > > > > > The Lord Himself says that He is the soul within

> > every

> > > living

> > > > > > > > > thing,

> > > > > > > > > > so how can we not believe Him? :--)) He's the

> > Jeevatma as

> > > > > well as

> > > > > > > > > > the Paramatma.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Atmakaraka

> > > > > > > > > > ----------------

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please refer to my previous mail to Sundeep ji

> > regarding the

> > > > > > > > > > difference between Atma and AK. Please also refer

> to

> > the

> > > > > shloka 31

> > > > > > > > > > of chapter 34 in BPHS, which defines what's to be

> > seen from

> > > > > > > > > > Atmakaraka....janasya janmalagna yat

> > > > > vidyaadaatmakaarakaH...saying

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > the atmakaraka stands for the ascendant,

> indicating

> > the

> > > person,

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > body etc...all that the ascendant generally

stands

> > for.

> > > Now, the

> > > > > > > > > > question is should soul be judged from ascendant?

> If

> > so,

> > > what's

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > purpose of Surya lagna and the concept of tripod

> of

> > life?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Infact, the shlokas 31-34 in BPHS (chapter 34)

> talk

> > about

> > > > > how one

> > > > > > > > > > can assess wife (darakaraka) from significations

> of

> > the 2nd

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > etc. Nowhere any mention is made of intangible

> things

> > > like soul,

> > > > > > > > > > mind etc. If you have any other shloka/pramana to

> say

> > > that AK

> > > > > > > > > > indicates Soul and not the Native, please let me

> > know. That

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > indeed benefit me.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hence, AK is a term for the "native

> (soul+mind+body)"

> > > and is not

> > > > > > > > > > used as a significator of the soul....I hope the

> > > confusion is

> > > > > > > > > cleared

> > > > > > > > > > now.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Grahana-time

> > > > > > > > > > ----------------

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have no knowledge/information regarding solar

> > eclipse

> > > > > being the

> > > > > > > > > > best time for "mantra initiation". I only know

that

> > > grahana time

> > > > > > > > > > should be avoided for all events. I am sure

> > Chandrasekhar ji

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > know better. However, it would be nice if he can

> > give some

> > > > > > > > > > referable/verifiable links/sources regarding

this,

> > it would

> > > > > > > > > benefit

> > > > > > > > > > all of us.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > However, I do know that people observe deeksha

> > > (austerities) and

> > > > > > > > > > mantra japa during eclipses. The definition

> > of "mantra"

> > > as you

> > > > > > > > > > probably know very well is "mananaat trayathe iti

> > mantraH",

> > > > > > > > > > meaning "that" by whose constant thinking or

> > recollection,

> > > > > one is

> > > > > > > > > > protected/released from the round of birth and

> > death. I have

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > read another definition that mantra is one which

> > > protects (tra)

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > mind(man). so I am sure you understand why mantra

> > japa is

> > > > > > > > > > stipulated at grahana time, and whom it's

supposed

> to

> > > protect.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is also said that mantra japa during grahana

> > yields

> > > > > > > > > > greater/faster results, as does any spiritual

> effort

> > > undertaken

> > > > > > > > > > during kali yuga (both are dark times). Guru is

the

> > > karaka for

> > > > > > > > > > mantra japa, religious austerities, and Guru is

the

> > > remover of

> > > > > > > > > > darkness.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now, who is denied the light during grahana

times?

> > It's

> > > 1) the

> > > > > > > > > > earth/body and 2) the moon/mind. Both the mind

and

> > body need

> > > > > light

> > > > > > > > > > for their survival and hence need to be protected

> > during

> > > > > this dark

> > > > > > > > > > time, so we invoke Guru, who protects one from

> inner

> > > > > grahana. And,

> > > > > > > > > > Guru guides Chandra, not Surya:--))

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It's mentioned in Vishnu purana, that there's a

> > category

> > > of dark

> > > > > > > > > > forces called "Mandeha", who try to block Sun,

> during

> > > sandhya

> > > > > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > > > The effect of Gayatri japam is said to defeat

> those

> > asuric

> > > > > > > > > forces.

> > > > > > > > > > So, mantra japa at all times is to ward off dark

> > forces and

> > > > > > > > > preserve

> > > > > > > > > > Light. Matri devobhava (for bringing us out of the

> > > darkness of

> > > > > > > > > womb

> > > > > > > > > > and giving us apara vidya), pitridevo

> > bhava...acharya devo

> > > > > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am sure you also know what is the first mantra

> > given

> > > to people

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > who gives that. So, Father is the first Guru in

> > paraa vidya.

> > > > > Shiva

> > > > > > > > > > is the devata denoting both Surya & Guru!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > These are my conclusions or feelings, if you have

> any

> > > > > evidence to

> > > > > > > > > > the contrary, I will stand corrected:--))

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Can I request you again to respond to the specific

> > > references

> > > > > > > > > (from

> > > > > > > > > > Bhagavad gita and puranas) I have given about

> > ahamkaara

> > > being a

> > > > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > > of the nature of prakriti and not of Purusha?

Also

> > about

> > > Shiva-

> > > > > > > > > > shakti / Soul-mind tattwa? I am sorry if you have

> > already

> > > > > > > > > responded

> > > > > > > > > > to them and I have not noticed.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am writing a a small piece from my limited

> > > > > understanding,based

> > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > Shankaras term reflection.Imagine a pratibimba

or

> > > > > reflection of

> > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > on water.Water has to be understood as

> > mind.Pratibimba

> > > > > attaches

> > > > > > > > > > > itself with water.In reality it is not.Now

assume

> > > someone is

> > > > > > > > > > > throwing a small stone.what will happen?The

> > pratibimba

> > > gets

> > > > > > > > > > > shattered and thinks oh i am torn.When the

waves

> > in water

> > > > > stops

> > > > > > > > > > > pratibimba is happy again.These waves are

> feelings

> > in

> > > > > mind.stone

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > external impact.Pratibima does not know who he

> > is.In

> > > > > reality he

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > the light of sun.Attachment with water gives

him

> > seperate

> > > > > > > > > > reflected

> > > > > > > > > > > identity.But as soon as Pratibimba realizes ,as

> i

> > am

> > > ''because

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > HIM nothing is happening to me with a stone''

all

> > > worries are

> > > > > > > > > > > gone.Similarly everything in this world is a

> > reflection of

> > > > > > > > > > > Brahman.HE has many Maya Leelas.With Nama and

> > Roopa,as

> > > a first

> > > > > > > > > > step,

> > > > > > > > > > > we should only understand that ''I am his

> > reflection

> > > and hence

> > > > > > > > > > > HIM''.Dont ever equate us to HIM in dual

> state.It

> > is

> > > height of

> > > > > > > > > > > AHAMKARA.Total merger is like drying up of

> > water.Jeevatma

> > > > > is his

> > > > > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > > light but identification with

> prakriti/mind/water

> > gives

> > > > > > > > > reflected

> > > > > > > > > > > seperate identity.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Still if it is not clear - Please think why shri

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > > > > > > > > > states

> > > > > > > > > > > in his articles --''If Sun is the chara Atma

> Karaka

> > > the person

> > > > > > > > > > > should learn to overcome his ''---''.What is

> that

> > 3 letter

> > > > > word.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If Chara has that effect what about influence of

> > > > > sthira?Will you

> > > > > > > > > > > still hang on to Rahu.Universal Truths are

> > > > > objective.Objectivity

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > consistent.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kindly attend to Chandrashekhar jis question -

> > Mantra

> > > > > deeksha and

> > > > > > > > > > > Grahana.We have to accept mistakes to go

> forward.It

> > > increases

> > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > value.How is value addition happening?

Acceptance

> is

> > > > > reduction in

> > > > > > > > > > > EGO,and reduction is reduction of ignorance and

> > closer to

> > > > > > > > > > > realization.This proximity is the value

addition.

> > > > > > > > > > > Wishing you all the best.Your questions are

> > brilliant and

> > > > > > > > > helping

> > > > > > > > > > > both of us.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > >

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> > Release

> > > Date:

> > > > > > > 9/22/2006

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Laxmi Narain Ji

 

Thanks a lot for the mail and the educative informations.I am poor

in historical aspects of puranas/epics and it is difficult for me to

comprehend.

All i have done is just to give some supportive evidence to what

Chandrashekhar ji has said.Chandrashekhar ji had calrified to Bharat

ji that he is speaking what the shasthras say.

 

Thus it is upto the experts to comment on history.

Pradeep

, Laxmi Narayan

<shrijishrihari wrote:

>

> Hello Pradeepji,

> I have to say straight away that I do

not know the abc of Jyotish Vidya. For this reason I read very few

letters. I saw your letter and then deleted it 2/3 days ago. Today I

was doing a meditation on Divine Sun in the Sky when your comments

flashed in my mind. Then I had to open my computer and retrieve your

letter from the deleted items.

> Here is the question. As I understand The Mahabharat battle

started on Mokshda Ekadeshi. So did this Solar Eclipse which you

have mentioned happened on that day?

> I have read in the publications from GitaPress, Vyasji saying

that there are three Eclipse this month and other configurations and

it will bring great trouble. The one Solar Eclipse would have

happened 11 days earlier. At that time armies would be gathering on

the battlefield.

> May be you meant that start.

>

> The movements of planets are complex. Does a mini eclipse happen

everyday because of these constant movements?? Could it be possible

some other configuration happened and it became eclipse. I am

curious because I have never read that a Solar Eclipse also happened

on that Ekadeshi day.

> Thanks anyway. Take care. Laxmi Narayan

>

>

> Dear Lakshmi ji

>

> Chandrashekhar ji gave some reference,out of his

> experience/knoweldge.

>

> I tried to understand and think it fully ,within my limitations

and

> found them as helpful towards further understanding of Truths.

>

> During an internet search ,i could find the same.It is mentioned

> that Lord Rama and Lord krishna got intiated (deeksha during

soorya

> grahana).

>

> I do not know nothing more than this.Kindly interpret using the

best

> of your abiltities and your likes/dislikes.Everybody is

right,except

> for the relativity or proximity or degree of ''rightness''.

>

> Pls find the link as you wished.

>

> http://www.siddhashram.org/s20000637.shtml

>

> Thanks

> Pradeep

>

> , "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Pradeep,

> >

> > Can you please give the link itself? I want to understand

> > whether "deeksha" as mentioned by you meant "mantra initiation"

> > or "mantra japa/other observances". The latter is the normal

> > occurrance and undertaken by every second Hindu.

> >

> > Do you mean that Sri Rama and sri Krishna received mantra

> initiation

> > during solar eclipse? Can you show me some confirmation

regarding

> > this from Ramayana/Bhagavatham? Does the link mention them?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > , "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > >

> > > I am posting the search result for the benefit of others.

> > >

> > > The great importance of eclipses is well reflected in the

events

> of

> > > lives of the great Avataars (incarnations). Lord Ram for

example

> > had

> > > Diksha from his Guru at a time when an eclipse was going on.

> > Similarly

> > > Lord Krishna had Diksha during an eclipse. And the reason for

> this

> > is

> > > that during these moments it is very easy for the disciple to

> > imbibe

> > > fully the energy transferred into him by the Guru.

> > >

> > > The battle of Mahabharat was about to begin. The army of the

> > Kauravs

> > > was ready for the battle and its great warriors like Bheeshm,

> > > Dronacharya, Karna were mounted on their chariots. On the

other

> > side

> > > the army of the Pandavs too stood ready waiting for the battle

> > trumpet

> > > to sound. The Pandavs asked Lord Krishna to give his assent for

> > > starting the fight. But Lord Krishna stopped them.

> > >

> > > He said - If the war starts now, any side would be likely to

> win.

> > But

> > > a few moments from now a solar eclipse is about to begin and

if

> the

> > > war bugle is sounded then the Pandavs shall surely win. Lord

> > Krishna

> > > had realised the significance of the moments of eclipse and

> > history is

> > > a witness that all Kauravs were killed, while the five Pandavs

> > > remained unharmed just because the war was started at the

right

> > moment

> > >

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > I am glad for the reference. It seems I wan not wrong in my

> > > > understanding of the reason or the Muhurta for Deeksha.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for the correction/giuidance.I made a quick search

> and

> > found

> > > > > -Lord Rama, Krishna taking deeksha during Soorya Grahana.

> > > > >

> > > > > Respect

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That is one way of looking at it. Deeksha is in a way

self

> > devotion

> > > > > to a

> > > > > > person (guru) or god ( for the person taking

> > deeksha)/dedication

> > > and if

> > > > > > one has ego he will simply not be able to do this. That

is

> > why Surya

> > > > > > eclipse is the most important muhurta to give deeksha.

Or

> at

> > > least that

> > > > > > is my understanding.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for guiding me.

> > > > > > > Also i feel deeksha is for direction and direction is

> > light.If we

> > > > > > > think we have all the light then there is no room for

> > light to

> > > > > come in.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respect

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You did understand what I was telling about deekksha

> and

> > the

> > > > > reason why

> > > > > > > > Surya grahana is very auspicious for giving Deeksha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1)Brahman has no feelings.How about the mirror

within

> > > you?.Did you

> > > > > > > > > notice myslef equating water to MIND.Literal

> meanings

> > may

> > > not help

> > > > > > > > > us.Kindly attempt again.Infact the literal

> > interpretation from

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > part did reduce my passion to reply.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2)Manas Ahankara etc are Jadas.Para prakrithi has

to

> > enliven

> > > > > > > > > this.Thought arises from a thinker.It is upto you

to

> > > decide and

> > > > > > > > > remain happy at thought level.For me dual identity

> (ego

> > > > > thought) is a

> > > > > > > > > false identification of a thinker who has

forgotten

> > his real

> > > > > > > > > identity.But this identity has a purpose.Karma and

> HIS

> > > > > > > > > leelas.Brahman has no false identity at all.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3)Mata Amritanda Mayi says when lovers talk to

each

> > other they

> > > > > > > > > experience Ananda.Similarly we have kamuki kamuka

> > bhava within

> > > > > > > > > us.SHE bhava is Jeevatma and HE bhava is

> Paramatma.If

> > we

> > > try to

> > > > > > > > > understand this statement of AMMA we will know in

> > reality

> > > there is

> > > > > > > > > only a bindu.When the unclear extends the clear

> > > manifests.When the

> > > > > > > > > chaitanya behind manifested returns ,they become

> > one.But this

> > > > > > > > > extension always results in ''I'' feeling.This is

> > needed for

> > > > > > > > > discharging Karma.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4)I feel if we stop these verbal exchanges and can

> do

> > a self

> > > > > > > > > seeking,things would be more clear.Close your

> eyes,sit

> > in

> > > silence

> > > > > > > > > with no thought - No Space no Mind no Time.Slowly

> open

> > your

> > > > > eyes and

> > > > > > > > > release breath.Space/Mind/Time all can be

> > > understood.Tattwa behind

> > > > > > > > > Universe will unfold for you.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3)Jyotish is not for realized souls.It is for

those

> > within the

> > > > > > > > > clutches of Space and Time.Hence in jyotish, Surya

> > > represents the

> > > > > > > > > Atma of Kalapurusha.He is Divakara and Moon

> > Nishakara.They

> > > > > rule half

> > > > > > > > > the rashis each and both are kings.Mutual

dependence

> is

> > > not about

> > > > > > > > > existence but for discharging functions.

> > (Paurusha/Karya sidhis

> > > > > > > > > through atma and mana prabhavas respectively).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pramana.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Atma Sahethi Manasa Mana Indriyena

> > > > > > > > > Swardhena Chendriyagana Krama Evamesha

> > > > > > > > > Yogoyameva Manasa KimaGamyamasthi

> > > > > > > > > Yasmin Mano Prajathi Tathra GathoyaMatma ithi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Atma moves along with mind,Mind with

> Indriyas,Indriyas

> > with

> > > > > > > > > Vishayas ...the general order.What cannot be

> achieved

> > if

> > > there is

> > > > > > > > > yoga of mind?.Wherever Mind goes so goes Atma.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Also - ''Atma ManasorithareyTharashrayatwat

> > > > > SooryaChandraMasorEkasya

> > > > > > > > > Balawat Itharasya Balisidhi'' - Due to mutual

> > dependence of

> > > > > Sun and

> > > > > > > > > Moon, srength of one renders the other strong.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3)Atmakaraka - It is fine.Now please explain why,

> one

> > with

> > > - Chara

> > > > > > > > > atma karaka as Sun should try to overcome ego and

> > become

> > > > > humble'' .

> > > > > > > > > This i feel will end all our doubts.If you

remember

> our

> > > > > debates got

> > > > > > > > > started because of Chandrashekhar jis point.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4)Mantra is for mind and through Mantra sidhi mind

> will

> > > stay tuned

> > > > > > > > > (Yoga), with what it has to.During Grahana there

is

> a

> > forced

> > > > > > > > > detachment(influence of Sun) and one will submit

> > oneself

> > > to Guru

> > > > > > > > > without a dual feeling or ego.Chandrashekhar ji may

> > > correct me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>, "b_lakshmi_ramesh"

> > > > > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My understanding is no better than yours :--)),

> and

> > yes,

> > > both of

> > > > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > > are benefiting from this discussion.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ok, let's take your example of reflection on

> water.

> > As

> > > you said,

> > > > > > > > > > when a stone is thrown the image is shattered.

> It's

> > fine

> > > > > thus far

> > > > > > > > > > and I agree with you.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You also said that that the reflection attaches

> > itself with

> > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > > and feels shattered/happy. How do you know if

> this?

> > Have you

> > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > > > the reflection wince in pain, have you seen it

> grin

> > in

> > > pleasure?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Suppose I stand before a mirror, I see my

> > reflection, when I

> > > > > move

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > moves, when I laugh, it laughs, when I grimace,

it

> > also

> > > does so.

> > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > reflection at all times is of me and never

becomes

> > the

> > > property

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the mirror and reflect its sentiments. Suppose I

> move

> > > away, will

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > reflection stay back with the mirror? Is the

> > reflection of

> > > > > > > > > Brahman

> > > > > > > > > > capable of showing any feeling, which is not

shown

> > on the

> > > > > Brahman...

> > > > > > > > > > which is independent of Brahman? And is the

Brahman

> > > subject to

> > > > > > > > > > feelings?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ahankaara

> > > > > > > > > > ---------------

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In Jnana-vijnana yoga (Chapter 7) from

> Bhagavadgita,

> > the

> > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > says

> > > > > > > > > > thus...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ

> > > > > > > > > > khaḿ mano buddhir eva ca

> > > > > > > > > > ahańkāra itīyaḿ me

> > > > > > > > > > bhinnā prakṛtir

aṣṭadhā

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The mind, intellect, ego, ether, air, fire,

water,

> > and

> > > earth are

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > eightfold transformation of My Prakriti.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > apareyam itas tv anyāḿ

> > > > > > > > > > prakṛtiḿ viddhi me parām

> > > > > > > > > > jīva-bhūtāḿ mahā-

> bāho

> > > > > > > > > > yayedaḿ dhāryate jagat

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This Prakriti is My lower energy. My other

higher

> > energy

> > > is the

> > > > > > > > > > Purusha by which this entire universe is

> sustained, O

> > > Arjuna.

> > > > > > > > > > Clearly linking "ego" with Prakriti and not with

> > Purusha.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have earlier also quoted from puranas (srishti

> > krama),

> > > > > about the

> > > > > > > > > > constituents of ahamkaara, I eagerly await your

> > response

> > > for the

> > > > > > > > > > same and the above.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Soul or reflection of soul?

> > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > From Chapter 10 (Vibhuti yoga), Bhagavan also

says

> > that

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > aham ātmā guḍākeśa

> > > > > > > > > > sarva-bhūtāśaya-sthitaḥ

> > > > > > > > > > aham ādiś ca madhyaḿ ca

> > > > > > > > > > bhūtānām anta eva ca

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am the Supersoul, O Arjuna, seated in the

hearts

> of

> > > all living

> > > > > > > > > > entities. I am the beginning, the middle and the

> end

> > of all

> > > > > beings.

> > > > > > > > > > The Lord Himself says that He is the soul within

> > every

> > > living

> > > > > > > > > thing,

> > > > > > > > > > so how can we not believe Him? :--)) He's the

> > Jeevatma as

> > > > > well as

> > > > > > > > > > the Paramatma.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Atmakaraka

> > > > > > > > > > ----------------

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please refer to my previous mail to Sundeep ji

> > regarding the

> > > > > > > > > > difference between Atma and AK. Please also

refer

> to

> > the

> > > > > shloka 31

> > > > > > > > > > of chapter 34 in BPHS, which defines what's to

be

> > seen from

> > > > > > > > > > Atmakaraka....janasya janmalagna yat

> > > > > vidyaadaatmakaarakaH...saying

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > the atmakaraka stands for the ascendant,

> indicating

> > the

> > > person,

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > body etc...all that the ascendant generally

stands

> > for.

> > > Now, the

> > > > > > > > > > question is should soul be judged from

ascendant?

> If

> > so,

> > > what's

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > purpose of Surya lagna and the concept of tripod

> of

> > life?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Infact, the shlokas 31-34 in BPHS (chapter 34)

> talk

> > about

> > > > > how one

> > > > > > > > > > can assess wife (darakaraka) from significations

> of

> > the 2nd

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > etc. Nowhere any mention is made of intangible

> things

> > > like soul,

> > > > > > > > > > mind etc. If you have any other shloka/pramana

to

> say

> > > that AK

> > > > > > > > > > indicates Soul and not the Native, please let me

> > know. That

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > indeed benefit me.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hence, AK is a term for the "native

> (soul+mind+body)"

> > > and is not

> > > > > > > > > > used as a significator of the soul....I hope the

> > > confusion is

> > > > > > > > > cleared

> > > > > > > > > > now.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Grahana-time

> > > > > > > > > > ----------------

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have no knowledge/information regarding solar

> > eclipse

> > > > > being the

> > > > > > > > > > best time for "mantra initiation". I only know

that

> > > grahana time

> > > > > > > > > > should be avoided for all events. I am sure

> > Chandrasekhar ji

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > know better. However, it would be nice if he can

> > give some

> > > > > > > > > > referable/verifiable links/sources regarding

this,

> > it would

> > > > > > > > > benefit

> > > > > > > > > > all of us.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > However, I do know that people observe deeksha

> > > (austerities) and

> > > > > > > > > > mantra japa during eclipses. The definition

> > of "mantra"

> > > as you

> > > > > > > > > > probably know very well is "mananaat trayathe

iti

> > mantraH",

> > > > > > > > > > meaning "that" by whose constant thinking or

> > recollection,

> > > > > one is

> > > > > > > > > > protected/released from the round of birth and

> > death. I have

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > read another definition that mantra is one which

> > > protects (tra)

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > mind(man). so I am sure you understand why

mantra

> > japa is

> > > > > > > > > > stipulated at grahana time, and whom it's

supposed

> to

> > > protect.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is also said that mantra japa during grahana

> > yields

> > > > > > > > > > greater/faster results, as does any spiritual

> effort

> > > undertaken

> > > > > > > > > > during kali yuga (both are dark times). Guru is

the

> > > karaka for

> > > > > > > > > > mantra japa, religious austerities, and Guru is

the

> > > remover of

> > > > > > > > > > darkness.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now, who is denied the light during grahana

times?

> > It's

> > > 1) the

> > > > > > > > > > earth/body and 2) the moon/mind. Both the mind

and

> > body need

> > > > > light

> > > > > > > > > > for their survival and hence need to be

protected

> > during

> > > > > this dark

> > > > > > > > > > time, so we invoke Guru, who protects one from

> inner

> > > > > grahana. And,

> > > > > > > > > > Guru guides Chandra, not Surya:--))

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It's mentioned in Vishnu purana, that there's a

> > category

> > > of dark

> > > > > > > > > > forces called "Mandeha", who try to block Sun,

> during

> > > sandhya

> > > > > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > > > The effect of Gayatri japam is said to defeat

> those

> > asuric

> > > > > > > > > forces.

> > > > > > > > > > So, mantra japa at all times is to ward off dark

> > forces and

> > > > > > > > > preserve

> > > > > > > > > > Light. Matri devobhava (for bringing us out of

the

> > > darkness of

> > > > > > > > > womb

> > > > > > > > > > and giving us apara vidya), pitridevo

> > bhava...acharya devo

> > > > > bhava.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am sure you also know what is the first mantra

> > given

> > > to people

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > who gives that. So, Father is the first Guru in

> > paraa vidya.

> > > > > Shiva

> > > > > > > > > > is the devata denoting both Surya & Guru!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > These are my conclusions or feelings, if you

have

> any

> > > > > evidence to

> > > > > > > > > > the contrary, I will stand corrected:--))

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Can I request you again to respond to the

specific

> > > references

> > > > > > > > > (from

> > > > > > > > > > Bhagavad gita and puranas) I have given about

> > ahamkaara

> > > being a

> > > > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > > of the nature of prakriti and not of Purusha?

Also

> > about

> > > Shiva-

> > > > > > > > > > shakti / Soul-mind tattwa? I am sorry if you

have

> > already

> > > > > > > > > responded

> > > > > > > > > > to them and I have not noticed.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%

> > 40>, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi ji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am writing a a small piece from my limited

> > > > > understanding,based

> > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > Shankaras term reflection.Imagine a pratibimba

or

> > > > > reflection of

> > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > on water.Water has to be understood as

> > mind.Pratibimba

> > > > > attaches

> > > > > > > > > > > itself with water.In reality it is not.Now

assume

> > > someone is

> > > > > > > > > > > throwing a small stone.what will happen?The

> > pratibimba

> > > gets

> > > > > > > > > > > shattered and thinks oh i am torn.When the

waves

> > in water

> > > > > stops

> > > > > > > > > > > pratibimba is happy again.These waves are

> feelings

> > in

> > > > > mind.stone

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > external impact.Pratibima does not know who he

> > is.In

> > > > > reality he

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > the light of sun.Attachment with water gives

him

> > seperate

> > > > > > > > > > reflected

> > > > > > > > > > > identity.But as soon as Pratibimba

realizes ,as

> i

> > am

> > > ''because

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > HIM nothing is happening to me with a stone''

all

> > > worries are

> > > > > > > > > > > gone.Similarly everything in this world is a

> > reflection of

> > > > > > > > > > > Brahman.HE has many Maya Leelas.With Nama and

> > Roopa,as

> > > a first

> > > > > > > > > > step,

> > > > > > > > > > > we should only understand that ''I am his

> > reflection

> > > and hence

> > > > > > > > > > > HIM''.Dont ever equate us to HIM in dual

> state.It

> > is

> > > height of

> > > > > > > > > > > AHAMKARA.Total merger is like drying up of

> > water.Jeevatma

> > > > > is his

> > > > > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > > light but identification with

> prakriti/mind/water

> > gives

> > > > > > > > > reflected

> > > > > > > > > > > seperate identity.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Still if it is not clear - Please think why

shri

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > > > > > > > > > states

> > > > > > > > > > > in his articles --''If Sun is the chara Atma

> Karaka

> > > the person

> > > > > > > > > > > should learn to overcome his ''---''.What is

> that

> > 3 letter

> > > > > word.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If Chara has that effect what about influence

of

> > > > > sthira?Will you

> > > > > > > > > > > still hang on to Rahu.Universal Truths are

> > > > > objective.Objectivity

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > consistent.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kindly attend to Chandrashekhar jis question -

> > Mantra

> > > > > deeksha and

> > > > > > > > > > > Grahana.We have to accept mistakes to go

> forward.It

> > > increases

> > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > value.How is value addition happening?

Acceptance

> is

> > > > > reduction in

> > > > > > > > > > > EGO,and reduction is reduction of ignorance

and

> > closer to

> > > > > > > > > > > realization.This proximity is the value

addition.

> > > > > > > > > > > Wishing you all the best.Your questions are

> > brilliant and

> > > > > > > > > helping

> > > > > > > > > > > both of us.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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