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I was invited to a seminar today by a spiritual woman talking on

poverty. I did not feel drawn to attend after researching it. Her

basic premise is that poverty is due to our inability to forgive

ourselves. I went bankrupt a couple of years ago. I have much peace

over my past and with family, etc. Things are great in that way

overall for me. I just felt that Amma has Her own designs on what is

best for me. I also believe that once you find your guru, that you

need not worry. She will take care of everything that you need in your

life.

 

Conversely, that would mean that all wealthy people HAVE forgiven

themselves and are in a good place? We know that is not necessarily

true either. And there are people in poverty who are spiritually rich.

 

any thoughts on this?

 

in Amma,

adriane

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It's possible that someone who hasn't forgiven herself may not allow herself to succeed in

life. However, truthfully, such generalizations strike me as ridiculous and misguided.

 

Iswari

 

Ammachi, "n2amma" <a1driane wrote:

>

> I was invited to a seminar today by a spiritual woman talking on

> poverty. I did not feel drawn to attend after researching it. Her

> basic premise is that poverty is due to our inability to forgive

> ourselves. I went bankrupt a couple of years ago. I have much peace

> over my past and with family, etc. Things are great in that way

> overall for me. I just felt that Amma has Her own designs on what is

> best for me. I also believe that once you find your guru, that you

> need not worry. She will take care of everything that you need in your

> life.

>

> Conversely, that would mean that all wealthy people HAVE forgiven

> themselves and are in a good place? We know that is not necessarily

> true either. And there are people in poverty who are spiritually rich.

>

> any thoughts on this?

>

> in Amma,

> adriane

>

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Om Namah Shivaya!

 

It is true at times we aren't able to accept the

statements said by Amma or other spiritual masters.

But they are nevertheless true if we take the messages

with love. If we take a message with fear it is false

for us.

 

Adriane, you have accepted that things are great

for you because you are in peace with family. Wealth

or prosperity has eight forms in which one of them is

being financially well off.

 

It is proved psycologically that living with past

guilt is a hindrance for success or prosperity.

 

Adriane, As for the wealthy persons, those who

rise from humble beginnings to great heights

definitely are gentle on themselves. We can't say

about others who are wealthy through generations.

 

Cheers,

 

Mahadevan Venkitaraman

 

--- ammasiswari <ammasiswari > wrote:

 

> It's possible that someone who hasn't forgiven

> herself may not allow herself to succeed in

> life. However, truthfully, such generalizations

> strike me as ridiculous and misguided.

>

> Iswari

>

> Ammachi, "n2amma"

> <a1driane wrote:

> >

> > I was invited to a seminar today by a spiritual

> woman talking on

> > poverty. I did not feel drawn to attend after

> researching it. Her

> > basic premise is that poverty is due to our

> inability to forgive

> > ourselves. I went bankrupt a couple of years ago.

> I have much peace

> > over my past and with family, etc. Things are

> great in that way

> > overall for me. I just felt that Amma has Her own

> designs on what is

> > best for me. I also believe that once you find

> your guru, that you

> > need not worry. She will take care of everything

> that you need in your

> > life.

> >

> > Conversely, that would mean that all wealthy

> people HAVE forgiven

> > themselves and are in a good place? We know that

> is not necessarily

> > true either. And there are people in poverty who

> are spiritually rich.

> >

> > any thoughts on this?

> >

> > in Amma,

> > adriane

> >

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Ammachi, <mahadevanv wrote:

>

> It is true at times we aren't able to accept the

> statements said by Amma or other spiritual masters.

> But they are nevertheless true if we take the messages

> with love. If we take a message with fear it is false

> for us.

 

I do agree that guilt can hinder people in their lives...but I think it's a leap from

acknowledging that to drawing a causal connection from guilt to poverty.

 

I'm not sure that my opinion about this is rooted in fear, just observation.. If anything, I'm

concerned that people might latch onto this notion and wrongfully blame themselves for

circumstances that may not be within their control at all. I've seen it happen before.

 

Sincerely,

Iswari

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>Her basic premise is that poverty is due to our inability to forgive

>ourselves.

 

Bunkum. Poverty or wealth is in no way a measure of spiritual worth,

progress, practice, or understanding. Lots of people would like to

believe otherwise. Doesn't make it true.

 

Max

--

Max Dashu

 

Art in Goddess Reverence

http://www.maxdashu.net

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namasivaya, here's my 2cents on this:

 

there are many who start off poor and become wealthy; they assume it

is due to their actions/decisions/wisdom/efforts in this lifetime;

while that is true to some extent, my feeling is that the greater

part of the reason is past karma; not taking past karma into

account, some of these people want to teach others( perhaps with

good intentions ) but the overall result is misguideance; because

they got wealthy mainly because of their good deeds in the past not

because of their intelligence/ego in the present.

 

on a spiritual path, especially with a satguru like Amma, we accept

what comes and try to use it to best spiritual advantage.

 

for example, devotees with wealth build charitable hospitals, etc.

 

and those with little wealth and perhaps health and other challenges

can use that for spiritual advantage by crying out to Amma/God more

and more intensly.

 

Amma Bless,

amarnath

 

Ammachi, "ammasiswari" <ammasiswari

wrote:

>

> It's possible that someone who hasn't forgiven herself may not

allow herself to succeed in

> life. However, truthfully, such generalizations strike me as

ridiculous and misguided.

>

> Iswari

>

> Ammachi, "n2amma" <a1driane@> wrote:

> >

> > I was invited to a seminar today by a spiritual woman talking on

> > poverty. I did not feel drawn to attend after researching it.

Her

> > basic premise is that poverty is due to our inability to forgive

> > ourselves. I went bankrupt a couple of years ago. I have much

peace

> > over my past and with family, etc. Things are great in that way

> > overall for me. I just felt that Amma has Her own designs on

what is

> > best for me. I also believe that once you find your guru, that

you

> > need not worry. She will take care of everything that you need

in your

> > life.

> >

> > Conversely, that would mean that all wealthy people HAVE

forgiven

> > themselves and are in a good place? We know that is not

necessarily

> > true either. And there are people in poverty who are spiritually

rich.

> >

> > any thoughts on this?

> >

> > in Amma,

> > adriane

> >

>

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Ammachi, Max Dashu <maxdashu wrote:

>

> >Her basic premise is that poverty is due to our inability to forgive

> >ourselves.

>

> Bunkum. Poverty or wealth is in no way a measure of spiritual worth,

> progress, practice, or understanding. Lots of people would like to

> believe otherwise. Doesn't make it true.

>

> Max

> --

> Max Dashu

>

> Art in Goddess Reverence

> http://www.maxdashu.net

>

 

 

Right, I agree.

 

The majority of people in the world will have no chance to

become "rich" , a millionaire. Also, many people just don't care about

being rich, they just want to get by, or have other priorities.

 

Ramakrishna wouldn't even touch money.

 

Peace,

Chris

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Thanks for all the posts on this. Money certainly does not determine the degree of someone's inner life. I think this woman is very misguided in teaching this concept about poverty/finances. Past life karma and spiritual growth are all factors, I am sure.

I believe with my heart, that Amma always has my greater good at stake. I know we must have courage to face all things in life. And we are here for the blink of an eye in an eternity. So I appreciate your feedback and insights.

Forever holding the feet of my guru...

in Amma,

Adriane

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