Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 I was invited to a seminar today by a spiritual woman talking on poverty. I did not feel drawn to attend after researching it. Her basic premise is that poverty is due to our inability to forgive ourselves. I went bankrupt a couple of years ago. I have much peace over my past and with family, etc. Things are great in that way overall for me. I just felt that Amma has Her own designs on what is best for me. I also believe that once you find your guru, that you need not worry. She will take care of everything that you need in your life. Conversely, that would mean that all wealthy people HAVE forgiven themselves and are in a good place? We know that is not necessarily true either. And there are people in poverty who are spiritually rich. any thoughts on this? in Amma, adriane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 It's possible that someone who hasn't forgiven herself may not allow herself to succeed in life. However, truthfully, such generalizations strike me as ridiculous and misguided. Iswari Ammachi, "n2amma" <a1driane wrote: > > I was invited to a seminar today by a spiritual woman talking on > poverty. I did not feel drawn to attend after researching it. Her > basic premise is that poverty is due to our inability to forgive > ourselves. I went bankrupt a couple of years ago. I have much peace > over my past and with family, etc. Things are great in that way > overall for me. I just felt that Amma has Her own designs on what is > best for me. I also believe that once you find your guru, that you > need not worry. She will take care of everything that you need in your > life. > > Conversely, that would mean that all wealthy people HAVE forgiven > themselves and are in a good place? We know that is not necessarily > true either. And there are people in poverty who are spiritually rich. > > any thoughts on this? > > in Amma, > adriane > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Om Namah Shivaya! It is true at times we aren't able to accept the statements said by Amma or other spiritual masters. But they are nevertheless true if we take the messages with love. If we take a message with fear it is false for us. Adriane, you have accepted that things are great for you because you are in peace with family. Wealth or prosperity has eight forms in which one of them is being financially well off. It is proved psycologically that living with past guilt is a hindrance for success or prosperity. Adriane, As for the wealthy persons, those who rise from humble beginnings to great heights definitely are gentle on themselves. We can't say about others who are wealthy through generations. Cheers, Mahadevan Venkitaraman --- ammasiswari <ammasiswari > wrote: > It's possible that someone who hasn't forgiven > herself may not allow herself to succeed in > life. However, truthfully, such generalizations > strike me as ridiculous and misguided. > > Iswari > > Ammachi, "n2amma" > <a1driane wrote: > > > > I was invited to a seminar today by a spiritual > woman talking on > > poverty. I did not feel drawn to attend after > researching it. Her > > basic premise is that poverty is due to our > inability to forgive > > ourselves. I went bankrupt a couple of years ago. > I have much peace > > over my past and with family, etc. Things are > great in that way > > overall for me. I just felt that Amma has Her own > designs on what is > > best for me. I also believe that once you find > your guru, that you > > need not worry. She will take care of everything > that you need in your > > life. > > > > Conversely, that would mean that all wealthy > people HAVE forgiven > > themselves and are in a good place? We know that > is not necessarily > > true either. And there are people in poverty who > are spiritually rich. > > > > any thoughts on this? > > > > in Amma, > > adriane > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Ammachi, <mahadevanv wrote: > > It is true at times we aren't able to accept the > statements said by Amma or other spiritual masters. > But they are nevertheless true if we take the messages > with love. If we take a message with fear it is false > for us. I do agree that guilt can hinder people in their lives...but I think it's a leap from acknowledging that to drawing a causal connection from guilt to poverty. I'm not sure that my opinion about this is rooted in fear, just observation.. If anything, I'm concerned that people might latch onto this notion and wrongfully blame themselves for circumstances that may not be within their control at all. I've seen it happen before. Sincerely, Iswari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 >Her basic premise is that poverty is due to our inability to forgive >ourselves. Bunkum. Poverty or wealth is in no way a measure of spiritual worth, progress, practice, or understanding. Lots of people would like to believe otherwise. Doesn't make it true. Max -- Max Dashu Art in Goddess Reverence http://www.maxdashu.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 namasivaya, here's my 2cents on this: there are many who start off poor and become wealthy; they assume it is due to their actions/decisions/wisdom/efforts in this lifetime; while that is true to some extent, my feeling is that the greater part of the reason is past karma; not taking past karma into account, some of these people want to teach others( perhaps with good intentions ) but the overall result is misguideance; because they got wealthy mainly because of their good deeds in the past not because of their intelligence/ego in the present. on a spiritual path, especially with a satguru like Amma, we accept what comes and try to use it to best spiritual advantage. for example, devotees with wealth build charitable hospitals, etc. and those with little wealth and perhaps health and other challenges can use that for spiritual advantage by crying out to Amma/God more and more intensly. Amma Bless, amarnath Ammachi, "ammasiswari" <ammasiswari wrote: > > It's possible that someone who hasn't forgiven herself may not allow herself to succeed in > life. However, truthfully, such generalizations strike me as ridiculous and misguided. > > Iswari > > Ammachi, "n2amma" <a1driane@> wrote: > > > > I was invited to a seminar today by a spiritual woman talking on > > poverty. I did not feel drawn to attend after researching it. Her > > basic premise is that poverty is due to our inability to forgive > > ourselves. I went bankrupt a couple of years ago. I have much peace > > over my past and with family, etc. Things are great in that way > > overall for me. I just felt that Amma has Her own designs on what is > > best for me. I also believe that once you find your guru, that you > > need not worry. She will take care of everything that you need in your > > life. > > > > Conversely, that would mean that all wealthy people HAVE forgiven > > themselves and are in a good place? We know that is not necessarily > > true either. And there are people in poverty who are spiritually rich. > > > > any thoughts on this? > > > > in Amma, > > adriane > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Ammachi, Max Dashu <maxdashu wrote: > > >Her basic premise is that poverty is due to our inability to forgive > >ourselves. > > Bunkum. Poverty or wealth is in no way a measure of spiritual worth, > progress, practice, or understanding. Lots of people would like to > believe otherwise. Doesn't make it true. > > Max > -- > Max Dashu > > Art in Goddess Reverence > http://www.maxdashu.net > Right, I agree. The majority of people in the world will have no chance to become "rich" , a millionaire. Also, many people just don't care about being rich, they just want to get by, or have other priorities. Ramakrishna wouldn't even touch money. Peace, Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Thanks for all the posts on this. Money certainly does not determine the degree of someone's inner life. I think this woman is very misguided in teaching this concept about poverty/finances. Past life karma and spiritual growth are all factors, I am sure. I believe with my heart, that Amma always has my greater good at stake. I know we must have courage to face all things in life. And we are here for the blink of an eye in an eternity. So I appreciate your feedback and insights. Forever holding the feet of my guru... in Amma, Adriane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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