Vedic influence on the ancient worlds

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Here is an interesting link...pls tell me your views

 

www.stephen-knapp.com/photographic_evidence_of_vedic_influence.htm

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Excellent link Babaji!

 

I knew some of the things before, like Islam had "borrowed" the moon

from the ancient Pagan(the Westerners call them pagan, but I think

they were Hindu).

 

I was surprised to Sarawati, though.

 

I think the Ancients of thw World followed a common religon, which was

very spiritual, not dogmatic at all. In this sense, the Semitic

religons are Freaks of Nature- though they might have become dominant,

they are unnatural and against the spirit of Nature.

 

We should be proud the Ancient Dharma still survives in its original

form in at least one part of the World.

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Very interesting.... It shows the influence of Vedic culture far

beyond Indians borders. Like Shanracer wrote, I think there was a

common culture and religon in the ancient times.

 

I think all the recent violence and hatred is a degeneration of modern

society, as it left its ancient roots and tried to "modernise". This

ties in with the Vedic view that in Kaliyug everything will get worse.

 

Science claims the opposite- it claims the ancients were barbaric, and

we are better off than them. But experience and Vedic knowledge shows

the opposite is true.

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, radha_sharma_99 <no_reply wrote:

> Science claims the opposite- it claims the ancients were barbaric,

and

> we are better off than them. But experience and Vedic knowledge shows

> the opposite is true.

>

 

When people in the middle east and europe and america were living

in caves and learning to hunt, Indian rishis were researching on the

mysteries of the universe.

 

Hence scientists view may be true about them not about Indians

thuogh.

 

True shanracer there was only Sanatan Dharma on the earth, and most

of the ancient faiths are deformed ways of hinduism.

 

Tantra particularly was much practiced in Europe and russian

aream. The witches were nothing but Tantrik women.

 

 

baba

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, "Baba ji" <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

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> Here is an interesting link...pls tell me your views

>

> www.stephen-knapp.com/photographic_evidence_of_vedic_influence.htm

>

 

 

We should consider the influence of Zoroastrian religion which

predates Islam.

 

The Zoroastrian religion is mainly worship of the Sun and its

followers are mostly concentrated in Persia.

 

The Persian influence on India during the Mogul period is well known.

 

Then we had the followers of Din E Ila hi founded by Emperor Akbar.

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There was a mistake in my earlier message. Zoroastrians worship the Fire.

 

Fire was a symbol of order and justice. An earthly fire can represent

fire, by the Sun, or by the Moon.

 

The Roman and Egyptian religions are very old. One of the later Roman

philosophers travelled to India and his teachings were influenced by

Hinduism. I do not recall the name now.

 

A number of religions sprang up before and in the early days of

Christianity.

 

The Nordic religion is very old and worship of the Mother was very

common. That is why we have a term " Nordic Goddesses".

 

There was interaction between these religions. I remember reading a

research paper on how Molakh the Egyptian god became Muruga ( Skanda)

of the Tamils.

 

, "Sankar Viswanathan"

<sankarrukku wrote:

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> , "Baba ji" <beirut_ka_baba@> wrote:

> >

> > Here is an interesting link...pls tell me your views

> >

> > www.stephen-knapp.com/photographic_evidence_of_vedic_influence.htm

> >

>

>

> We should consider the influence of Zoroastrian religion which

> predates Islam.

>

> The Zoroastrian religion is mainly worship of the Sun and its

> followers are mostly concentrated in Persia.

>

> The Persian influence on India during the Mogul period is well known.

>

> Then we had the followers of Din E Ila hi founded by Emperor Akbar.

>

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I dont think Zoroastriansm influenced Hinduism. Vedic Rishis were

worshipping fire well before the Persians were. Muslims conquered both

Persia and India, yet Hinduism survived and Zoroastrianism didnt,

which shows which was the stronger religon.

 

In fact, I was reading in a book that it was the Rishi Vishwamitra who

went to Persia to teach them fire worship.

 

And as for the theory that Indian Murgan or Skanda is influenced by

some Egyptian God, this is exactly the sort of bullshit one would

expect from an Academic, esp some Western one.

 

All Indian deities have internal, esoteric counter parts, which are

known to Yogis. So Skanda, the son of Shiva or Agni(in Vedas, they are

the same God, only later in the Puranas were they separated) is the

internal Fire, which is born by meditation. In mythology, Skanda, a

little boy, leads the Gods to battle. In the Yogi, this Inner Fire

helps the good Sanskars of the Yogi, and help him fight his bad

sanskars(or demons).

 

Without knowing all this background, Western idiots write how Hindus

Gods like Shiva, Skanda were "added" later on. They have this idea

that Hindus sit around on their ass all day inventing new Gods. It is

partialy due to their view that anyone who has more than one God is

barbaric.

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The research regarding Muruga was done by an Indian Brahmin who was

very religious and a devotee of Lord Murgan. I should know because he

was my uncle.

 

It is sad to see the fulminations against Westerners in this forum.

Unfortunately the fact is that many of our ancient scriptures have

come to the attention of the world because of the scholars from the West.

 

I can cite hundreds of examples if necessary.

 

Please look at Lokanath Maharaj's (Mike Magee) site.

 

http://www.shivashakti.com/

 

I am yet to come across any non commercial web site which provides as

much information as this.

 

One of my gurus is Swami Sathyananda Saraswati whose book on Sri Sri

Chandi is my Bible. He has written so many books. Have a look at

 

http://www.shreemaa.org/

 

Please see Prof. Muller Ortega's site here.

 

http://www.courses.rochester.edu/muller-ortega/rel249/lalita/

 

The University of Rochester was offering a course on Sri Vidya.

 

Unfortunately none of the Indian Universities encourage research on

the religious aspect of Hinduism because of the political factor.

 

Many of the different aspects of Hinduism survive today because of the

so called West.

 

 

 

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

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> I dont think Zoroastriansm influenced Hinduism. Vedic Rishis were

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Much of the nonsense spread about Hinduism is also because of these

"Academics" of the West you are so impressed with. For one, they dont

believe all these Gods/Forces are real, and work from that onwards.

They assume all the stories are "myths" by simplistic , primitive people.

 

2nd, they bring in the discredited Ayran invasion theory. A book I was

reading goes like this "The Devi Mahatyma mentions Vindhyachal, which

are mountains, where Tribes lived, hence Kali/Durga is a non Vedic

Tribal Goddess". Based on this reading, he goes and constructs a whole

theory that Hindu Goddesses were added later on.

 

And I have read "Shiva was a non Vedic God, added later on by

Brahmins" so many times that if I got a penny everytime I read it, I

would be a millionaire.

 

I have read books by all the authors you mention. I have also read

books by Sri Aurobindo, Kapali Shastry, Jaideva Singh, Dr R L Kashyap

etc, and trust me, the Indian authors are much better. Only in fantasy

do we need Western Academics to preserve our culture.

 

The reason Hinduism and Yoga are popular in West is because of

pioneers like Vivekanand, Yogananda etc went there and taught them,

not because some armchair Academic wrote a book.

 

There are a few exceptions, like John Woodruffe, David Frawley, but

these people got an Indian guru and learnt from him, unlike academics

who read each others books and recycle the same garbage over and over.

 

These people , like Frawley, George Fuerenstien, Stephen Knapp, all

have written against the Aryan Invasion theory, and the notion that

Hinduism was "invented" by combining different religons.

 

But because they arent academics, they dont get that much attention as

the Academics, many of whom still think(as the Bible says) that the

Earth is only 6000 years old, and any Religon before Christ is hence

"Primitive" and "Barbaric".

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The Aryan Invasion theory is the biggest lie of the West to defame

Hinduism and Indians

 

"In the days when historian supposed that history had begun with

Greece, Europe gladly believed that India has been a hotbed of

barbarism. In 1924 the world of scholarship was again roused by news

from India. Sir John Marshall announced that he had discovered at

Mohenjo-daro, on the western bank of the lower Indus, remains of what

seemed to be an older civilization than any yet know to historians.

The indications are that Mohenjo-daro was at its height when Cheops

built the first great pyramid; that it had commercial, religious, and

artistic connections with Sumeria, and Babylonia. It survived over

3000 years, until the third century before Christ." (source: "The

Story of Civilization: Our Oriental Heritage - By Will Durant ISBN

1567310125 p 394-396).

 

Since the nineteenth century, India's ancient history from Vedic

times and the true content of the Veda have both been distorted by a

blinkered and unsympathetic scholarship. British rulers, European

scholars and missionaries combined in a campaign to disparage the

roots of Indian civilization, and used the wholly groundless Aryan

Invasion theory to sow seeds of division in the Indian society -

"divide and rule," but also "divide and convert." The same fallacies

continue to be promoted today. Unfortunately, many of the wounds the

Aryan invasion theory inflicted on Indian society are still painfully

open today, nurtured as they have been by missionaries, Marxist

historians and politicians, who together have made sure that

divisions between castes have been sharpening rather than subsiding -

for the simple reason that without such divisions they would all be

out of business. Today, it is necessary to examines the birth of the

Aryan myth, and the misuses it has bred; it then gives a fresh look

at the invasion theory in the light of recent scientific evidence,

and shows how it now stands overwhelmingly disproved. (source: The

Invasion That Never Was - By Michel Danino and Sujata Nahar p. 26).

 

Sardar Kavalam Madhava Panikkar (1896-1963) Indian scholar,

journalist, historian from Kerala, administrator, diplomat, Minister

in Patiala Bikaner and Ambassador to China, Egypt and France. He was

the author of Asia and Western Dominance and has written in his

book, 'A Survey of Indian History' (1954):

 

`One thing, however, is certain and can no longer be contested—

civilization did not come to India with the Aryans. This doctrine of

the Aryan origin of Indian civilization which finds no support in

Indian Literature which does not consider the Dasyus (Dravidians) as

uncivilized, is the result of the theories of Indo-Germanic scholars

who held that everything valuable in the world originated from the

Aryans. Not only is Indian civilization pre-Vedic, but the essential

features of Hindu religion as we know it today were perhaps present

in Mohenjo-Daro."

 

It is gratifying to note that people like Swami Vivekananda,

Aurobindo Ghosh and Dadabhai Naoroji did not have appetite for racial

theories, because, as Naoroji put it, they were unrealistic and often

used to prove the inferiority of Asians. Only one among our great

political leaders saw through the hollowness of the Aryan theory. B R

Ambedkar who observed: "That the theory of the Aryan race set up by

Western writers fails to the ground at every point goes without

saying….Anyone who comes to scrutinize the theory will find that it

suffers from a `double infection.' He could clearly see the

implications of such ill-founded hypotheses which colonial Indology

imposed on India and which Indian scholars went on repeating ad

nauseam.

(As collected from internet sources)

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First of all clubs are not meant for personal attacks. We

exchange views here. You may not agree with my views. You are welcome

to state your views.

 

When I wrote about the so called Hindu Motifs in the red fort, I was

talking about the influence of Zoroastrian religion and Dine E Elahi

on Islam and not on Hinduism.

 

Anyone who is a Devi Upaska will understand how Swamiji's book Chandi

Path and Kali Puja are practical manuals for the Puja. The only other

good book on Sri Sri Chandi is the one published by the Gita Press in

Hindi and other languages. But it does not go into detail like

Swamiji's book.

 

Mike Magee's web site is the most authoritative one on Tantra.

 

The names Kali and Durga are not mentioned in the Vedas. It occurs

only in the Puranas. So there are theories about how the worship started.

Again Siva is not mentioned in the Vedas. Some interpret Rudra as the

name for Siva. Again this is a question of interpretation.

 

By the way both Rama and Krishna are not mentioned in the Vedas. These

are all Puranic Gods.

 

There are different phases of Hinduism.

 

1. Pre-Vedic Age.

2. Vedic Age

3. The Puranic/Itihasic age...

 

These are not western views. There are plenty of books by Indian

Historians on the religious history of India. Basically I go by " A

RELIGIOUS HISTORY OF ANCIENT INDIA" BY PROF. S.R. Goyal.

 

The answer to one interpretation is to counter with valid points. Not

abuse the author.

 

Sakthas are those who worship the Supreme Deity exclusively as a

FEMALE PRINCIPLE. This is a non-Vedic idea as the oblations in the

Vedic Homa is offered only to Male gods.

 

I believe that the basic principle of Hinduism is the acceptance of

all the religions. Acceptance and not tolerance. As Sri Ramakrishna

said there are as many paths as there are men.

 

 

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

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, "Sankar Viswanathan"

<sankarrukku wrote:

> The names Kali and Durga are not mentioned in the Vedas. It occurs

> only in the Puranas. So there are theories about how the worship

started.

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If I am not mistaken Tantrokta Devi Suktam are a part of Rig-veda

where we have hymns for the Goddess Adi shakti... Nomentclature as

durga Kali may not be mentioned as such in vedas but Vedas do mention

about Adi Shakti (i.e.Durga/Kali)

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> Again Siva is not mentioned in the Vedas. Some interpret Rudra as

the name for Siva. Again this is a question of interpretation.

> > By the way both Rama and Krishna are not mentioned in the Vedas.

These > are all Puranic Gods.

 

 

Vedas deal with different things. Rama Krishna came long after vedas

hence have naturally no mention about them.

 

We can not say that if vedas do not mention about some God, that god

is false.

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Thanks for the web-site..I would love to go there once and read it.

As far the historians of India, i must say almost 90% of them are

communists, whose sole job is to defame hinduism.

 

There was recently a lot of discussion in India, about the wrong

facts taught to the students in Indian schools...

 

Indian historians are competing with westerners to bring down the

glory of India and hinduism in particular.

 

But if we are on the path of Truth...why worry ?

 

Love

 

Baba

 

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