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Sri Dharma Dev, please kindly scroll below:

 

 

, rudracenter

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> Dear Narasimhaye Ji

>

> yes agree......to debate or not to debate.......to discuss or not to

> discuss.....whatever words used for the method of communication

> designated this is just what I was getting at......everyone has

> their own way of doing things and their own systems of

> worship.....and this is a good......... discussion........

 

Best not to debate but only to discuss.

 

however to mention a couple of things that dont sound exactly right

>

> The Priests at the MahaGanapati Temple in Mumbai pronounce Gum as

> you say in chewing gum......

 

If you really listened to them carefully at the time, you would have

heard correct pronunciation.

 

they record this sound as such and it certainly doesnt mean

grief......since there are many different meanings for same word in

Sanskrit the context of the meaning of Gum in the Lord Ganesha Mantra

may mean exactly the opposite...........that is saveing from

grief............ and I have heard of no one who has complained that

they have not gotten misleading results from chanting Aum Gum

Ganapatayei Namaha so I can't comment on this.......

 

Have heard of many people and some came personally to ask why they got

more strife and obstacles instead of blessings.

 

In the book Healing Mantras it sums up the meaning of the Bij Mantra Gum

quite clearly.

 

The summing up is correct due to good research but the CD lacks cadence.

Maybe making a new CD for future editions of the book will lift the

flatness of tone and bring correct cadence. Author of the book did a

lot of research, must take my hat off to him and give respect for this.

Regardless, I still respect him for his good works of 3 books. But he

obviously not spent enough time, say 10 to 18 years learning only

mantras from Guru-Shishya lineage. Begin by sweeping courtyard of

ashram with palm leaves from one end to the other end, then back again,

every single day for the first 3 years.

 

 

This is the masculine seed for Ganapathi, an energy of the benevolent

elephant headed God Ganesha, which removes obstacles and

> brings success in endeavors. To remove obstacles repeat the seed

> mantra Gum for a few days until you are comfortable with it. Then

> move to the mantra Aum Gum Ganapatayei Namaha which means Aum and

salutations to the remover of obstacles for which Gum is the seed.

 

It would be kinder for the chanter to chant Saguna mantra as in "Om

Shree Ganapataye Namaha" if he or she does not know correct sound of

"GuNg".

>

> This description of Bija Mantra Gum certainly does not instill grief

> in the persons life who chants......it does exactly the

> opposite....it removes grief or obstacles and to date I have found

> no literature that says the Bij Mantra Gum does anything

> else....another difficulty with transliteration is that some words

> in sanskrit can have opposite meanings depending on how they are

> used in the context of the mantra or sentence.

 

Beeja Mantras are Nirguna Mantras. Not to be used lightly unless one

knows correct sound.

>

> If you can find any book or a Holy Book that says Gum brings grief

> to the chanter it would be good to see where this is comeing

> from....

 

No holy book mentions this but people who have experienced for

themselves can attest to it. When rishes devised mantras, it was in

India or their version of "Kailash" or from whichever abode and for

Hindu posterity.

 

Note to friends & members: Regarding pronunciation of "Gum" or "GuNg",

pls ask a Hindu priest from Brahmin background. (Note again to

friends/members: Not all priests at temples are Brahmin although the

temples conveniently do not disclose this, especially temples built in

western countries). If no priest is available, get a cassette tape from

Ms Neetaji in India which contains correct pronunciation. I bought one

of these tapes long ago to give a friend. Ms Neetaji's email is

rudracentre (AT) hotmail (DOT) com <rudracentre (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> She is

gracious and kind lady and will know exactly which cassette tape (its

also in CD) that I'm referring to.

 

as an aside when I was in India in 2001 we went to a Hare

> Krishna Compound in Mumbai and I found it odd that Lord Ganesha was

> not represented in the temple of Gods and Goddesses.....was told

> later when in the US that they did not worship Lord Ganesha and I

> was more than surprised to hear of such a thing..... as recently

> most of the organization has gone bankrupt and they have been

> accused of child abuse within their organization....so althouth the

> Hare Krisha worship Lord Narasimha they left out Lord Ganesha and as

> a result it seems that is not a wise thing to do.

 

With all due respect: Each cult to their own cup of chai. They like

chai variety. Others like chai with cardamom. Yet others might like

chai masala.

>

> As said before we are all saying about the same thing only that we

> come from different areas of learning......

 

Absolutely agree with this )

 

for example I have never

> seen the bij mantra Gung spelled as such in Devanagari Script that

> is Sanskrit.....is not spelled in this way on the Yantras of Lord

> Ganesha either..........if you have found some documentation on this

> bij mantra spelled in Devanagari Letters as Gung I would like to

> know where it is so I can see it..........

 

Pls look closely and scrutinize the Devanagri script again.

 

Any ceremony or Puja I

> have been to on this side of world with priests from northern or

> southern India pronounce the mantra as Gum dureing Puja.....in

> addition the only bij mantra for Lord Ganesha I have seen to date

> besides Gum...... is spelled as Glaum...... and have only seen this

> spelled in Roman script........Aum Gum Glaum MahaGanapatayei

> Namaha....so this is another bij mantra for Lord Ganesha that I have

> yet to find in Devanagari Spelling

 

That is western world we are living in and as mentioned above, not all

priests are Brahmin at temples built outside India, especially in

western countries. If you find Brahmin with lifetime of training, he

will attest to this.

>

> Another difficulty is that it well known if the chanter chants the

> mantra in an incorrect manner they produce sounds that are not of

> their original intent......so if one chants the mantras with a sound

> that is not what is intended for outcome then the sincerity doesnt

> mantter......they dont get what they intended to obtain with their

> prayers........It takes years of chanting and being educated by

> Teachers for Priests to be able to correctly chant for specific

> Accomplishment.......so what you said about being sincere and not

> necessarily getting the words right is not correct.....

 

All Gods and Ganapathi are all Keepers of Akashic Records. They bestow

or withhold blessings from devotees in accordance with each individual's

dharma and karma. If person has past life good samskaras, then chanting

with sheer and pure Bhakti will bring results. Gods can hear and see

beyond human comprehension.

 

it doesnt

> work.......as an example say I chant plate plate plate because I

> need a plate to eat on however if the pronounciation is a little off

> the universe will give what the person is chanting..........instead

> of plate chanter got table to eat on.......so in this example the

> chanter got the words .......to eat on correct however the item was

> not chanted correctly and instead of plate to eat on there was

> produced a table.....

 

Out of context here, so no comments necessary from lil me.

 

no matter the sincerity of devotion if one does

> not get the communcation gap right there will be uncertain

> results............since so many traditions teach precision of

> pronounciation in this manner I can only conclude that you are wrong

> in this matter.........is like a sincerly devoute person useing the

> wrong bij mantras for different Devas.......and then wondering why

> the results gotten were not the ones intended

 

You are most welcome to form conclusions in how you feel and see fit

>

> Specific to Shakti the basic understanding of self empowerment and

> fearless life teaches that each person has Upa Guru and Siva and

> Shakti within themselves as do each of the Devas and there really is

> no need to add any extra shakti to their lives by going through

> mother to get to son..

 

Let's say you are Son and I need to ask you a favor or give me blessing.

I go to your house (shrine) but totally ignore your Mother whom you love

and are devoted to. In this case, I am insulting your Mother by

ignoring Her or bypassing Her. Would you give me your blessings or do

me a favor wholeheartedly? Would I deserve this favor or blessing from

you?

 

that is what self empowerment is all

> about...to be able to accomplish by way of ones own combination of

> Siva and Shakti that is already one within and without adding from

> outside their original blueprint of Siva and Shakti so to

> speak......go straight to the source that is Shiva and you will be

> working with the most compact finite use of energy for

> accomplishment that exists because all is included in Shiva

 

Shiva is Shakti and Shakti is Shiva. One cannot exist without the other,

sir.

>

> Example of going straight to source would be Sri Mahatma Gandhi who

> continually repeated Ram Ram Ram Ram Ram Ram as his choice of most

> finite energy to Accomplish........he reduced the power to its most

> finite egergy and was successful

 

Agree about Gandhi. Ram is Saguna Mantra. There is no Beeja mantra

involved here. He only wanted male Devata aspect and he achieved it,

great on him.

 

What I'm trying to say is, if persons wishing to find only Deva aspect,

its their personal choice. Others who also wish to acknowledge the

Devi-Shakti are also their choice. Room for each person to their own

preferences. Its not Sanatana Dharma to limit other people's choices

to make them see our own fixations or force our beliefts on them. India

and Hinduism conquered the world without sending a soldier across the

border.

>

> am fairly certain we are all on same major path and because we are

> all so different we all have different unique ways of expressing

> ourselves so any way you wish to express yourself will work for you

> even though each individual may express their own needs in a

> different manner..........

 

Thank you, absolutely agree with you.

 

it all works as long as one is correctly

> chanting the words that attract the Devas

>

> To show how different all these different paths have become.......as

> one example......... some spell OM as Aum and means the same however

if you go back far enough in studying Mantra Science you will see

representations of Aum spelled as AOM in prayers based from the

Ramayana

>

> Akara

> Okara

> Makara Bijadiya

>

> meaning the highest spelling and pronounciation of Aum actually

> started out as AOM

>

your comments on this would be most interesting.

 

All Holy Books, Om, Aum, Aom and all paths lead to the same Summit, only

the roads and journeys taken are different.

 

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