Rudra Center's address in Mumbai

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Could somebody out there please send me Miss Neetaji's

e-mail address at Rudracentre in Bombay? I have

contacted her many times but have misplaced the

address of the site.

Many thanks in advance.

Cyra

 

--- rudracenter <no_reply> wrote:

 

> Dear Narasimhaye Ji

>

> yes agree......to debate or not to debate.......to

> discuss or not to

> discuss.....whatever words used for the method of

> communication

> designated this is just what I was getting

> at......everyone has

> their own way of doing things and their own systems

> of

> worship.....and this is a good.........

> discussion........ however

> to mention a couple of things that dont sound

> exactly right

>

> The Priests at the MahaGanapati Temple in Mumbai

> pronounce Gum as

> you say in chewing gum......they record this sound

> as such and it

> certainly doesnt mean grief......since there are

> many different

> meanings for same word in Sanskrit the context of

> the meaning of Gum

> in the Lord Ganesha Mantra may mean exactly the

> opposite...........that is saveing from

> grief............ and I have

> heard of no one who has complained that they have

> not gotten

> misleading results from chanting Aum Gum Ganapatayei

> Namaha so I

> cant comment on this.......In the book Healing

> Mantras it sums up

> the meaning of the Bij Mantra Gum quite clearly

>

> This is the masculine seed for Ganapathi, an energy

> of the

> benevolent elephant headed God Ganesha, which

> removes obstacles and

> brings success in endeavors. To remove obstacles

> repeat the seed

> mantra Gum for a few days until you are comfortable

> with it. Then

> move to the mantra Aum Gum Ganapatayei Namaha which

> means Aum and

> salutations to the remover of obstacles for which

> Gum is the seed

>

> This description of Bija Mantra Gum certainly does

> not instill grief

> in the persons life who chants......it does exactly

> the

> opposite....it removes grief or obstacles and to

> date I have found

> no literature that says the Bij Mantra Gum does

> anything

> else....another difficulty with transliteration is

> that some words

> in sanskrit can have opposite meanings depending on

> how they are

> used in the context of the mantra or sentence

>

> If you can find any book or a Holy Book that says

> Gum brings grief

> to the chanter it would be good to see where this is

> comeing

> from....as an aside when I was in India in 2001 we

> went to a Hare

> Krishna Compound in Mumbai and I found it odd that

> Lord Ganesha was

> not represented in the temple of Gods and

> Goddesses.....was told

> later when in the US that they did not worship Lord

> Ganesha and I

> was more than surprised to hear of such a thing.....

> as recently

> most of the organization has gone bankrupt and they

> have been

> accused of child abuse within their

> organization....so althouth the

> Hare Krisha worship Lord Narasimha they left out

> Lord Ganesha and as

> a result it seems that is not a wise thing to do

>

> As said before we are all saying about the same

> thing only that we

> come from different areas of learning......for

> example I have never

> seen the bij mantra Gung spelled as such in

> Devanagari Script that

> is Sanskrit.....is not spelled in this way on the

> Yantras of Lord

> Ganesha either..........if you have found some

> documentation on this

> bij mantra spelled in Devanagari Letters as Gung I

> would like to

> know where it is so I can see it..........Any

> ceremony or Puja I

> have been to on this side of world with priests from

> northern or

> southern India pronounce the mantra as Gum dureing

> Puja.....in

> addition the only bij mantra for Lord Ganesha I have

> seen to date

> besides Gum...... is spelled as Glaum...... and have

> only seen this

> spelled in Roman script........Aum Gum Glaum

> MahaGanapatayei

> Namaha....so this is another bij mantra for Lord

> Ganesha that I have

> yet to find in Devanagari Spelling

>

> Another difficulty is that it well known if the

> chanter chants the

> mantra in an incorrect manner they produce sounds

> that are not of

> their original intent......so if one chants the

> mantras with a sound

> that is not what is intended for outcome then the

> sincerity doesnt

> mantter......they dont get what they intended to

> obtain with their

> prayers........It takes years of chanting and being

> educated by

> Teachers for Priests to be able to correctly chant

> for specific

> Accomplishment.......so what you said about being

> sincere and not

> necessarily getting the words right is not

> correct.....it doesnt

> work.......as an example say I chant plate plate

> plate because I

> need a plate to eat on however if the pronounciation

> is a little off

> the universe will give what the person is

> chanting..........instead

> of plate chanter got table to eat on.......so in

> this example the

> chanter got the words .......to eat on correct

> however the item was

> not chanted correctly and instead of plate to eat on

> there was

> produced a table.....no matter the sincerity of

> devotion if one does

> not get the communcation gap right there will be

> uncertain

> results............since so many traditions teach

> precision of

> pronounciation in this manner I can only conclude

> that you are wrong

> in this matter.........is like a sincerly devoute

> person useing the

> wrong bij mantras for different Devas.......and then

> wondering why

> the results gotten were not the ones intended

>

> Specific to Shakti the basic understanding of self

> empowerment and

> fearless life teaches that each person has Upa Guru

> and Siva and

> Shakti within themselves as do each of the Devas and

> there really is

> no need to add any extra shakti to their lives by

> going through

> mother to get to son..that is what self empowerment

> is all

> about...to be able to accomplish by way of ones own

> combination of

> Siva and Shakti that is already one within and

> without adding from

> outside their original blueprint of Siva and Shakti

> so to

> speak......go straight to the source that is Shiva

> and you will be

> working with the most compact finite use of energy

> for

> accomplishment that exists because all is included

> in Shiva

>

> Example of going straight to source would be Sri

> Mahatma Gandhi who

> continually repeated Ram Ram Ram Ram Ram Ram as his

> choice of most

> finite energy to Accomplish........he reduced the

> power to its most

> finite egergy and was successful

>

> am fairly certain we are all on same major path and

> because we are

> all so different we all have different unique ways

> of expressing

> ourselves so any way you wish to express yourself

> will work for you

> even though each individual may express their own

> needs in a

> different manner..........it all works as long as

> one is correctly

> chanting the words that attract the Devas

>

> To show how different all these different paths have

> become.......as

> one example......... some spell OM as Aum and means

> the

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