Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Hello Arjun Ji You have started a cunning game of politics and in a very clever way you are taking others in your group too BY PUTTING WRONG MEANING TO THEIR MSG. In the ORIGINAL MSG, Satish Ji was only complaining about the polls inefficacy BECAUSE LESS PPL VOTING INTO IT. He did NOT complain about the structure of poll that it was cleverly formed. But in YOUR POST you wrote that Satish Ji complained about the polls clever construction. WHICH IS A CLEAR LIE. Dear members, please do not get confused by his cunning steps. His post and Satish Ji's original post both are included in this post. Please read them. He is cleverly trying to confuse people by making them go against me. But truth prevails. Regards Tanvir What cannot happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friends > > as brother satishji rightly put, the way this poll is constructed, > it is a clever ploy to meet both the objectives of the group OWNER. > objective one is that he wants ashutosh as the dictator moderator of > this group at any cost, so he gave 3 out of 4 options to vote for > ashutosh being the moderator. the second objective is that since > many people are asking for reinstatement of bhaskarji, he gave 3 out > of 4 options to remove the ban on bhaskarji, so that bhaskarji can > be reinstated based on this majority number. > > now, here is the catch. by this poll, the owner is clearly > conveying a message that he will do the following, as he has done > earlier: > > 1. if he receives few complaints in his personal mail against one > member, he removes them autocratically like a dictator but he has > the power to review his decision, if members give feedback. > 2. he appoints such a moderator who empathises his way of removing > an active member and improves the dictatorship by not even telling > the group about it. > 3. he supports such moderator's acts publicly and reconfirm that > dictatorial rule is here to stay. > 4. instantly after the appointment of ashutosh as moderator, he gets > serious objection from several members that he is an athiest who > cannot be the moderator of a jyotish group which believes in god, or > he is a dictator, or many other reasons. what a great way to greet > a newly appointed moderator. the owner keeps silent on these > observations. > 5. when several people object to the appointment of asutoshji as a > moderator, he cleverly formats a poll wherein 3 out of 4 options are > given to vote FOR ashutoshji. > > all the above clearly suggest that ashutoshji will remain the > moderator of this group because of his alignment with the > dictatorship of the group owner. > > most group members who contribute their time, money and energy in > reading charts and sharing knowledge (including me) are now afraid > that this moderator is ruthless and he would remail tall only by > cutting (removing) all other members one by one. > > it fails simple common sense that these two dictators (owner and > moderator) have forgotten the very existence of an option for them > of putting an erring member under moderation so that all his bad > mails will be rejected and only good mails will be approved. that > way also they can convey the message to the member that all his bad > mails would not find place in this group. sending volumes of > justification for removing a member outrightly SECOND TIME IN AS > MANY MONTHS is a confirmation of the dictatorial functioning. > > the owner publicly exhibiting that he will not remove the ban on > bhaskarji even if 100 people ask for it because he respects the > moderator and THINKS that the moderator has done this activity after > much thought and leaving 100% in the hands of one moderator suggest > that he is throwing the ball of power to remove or impose ban only > in the hands of the moderator. this way the owner is directly > daring the members to ask ashutoshji and not him when he is cleary > exhibiting that he will not take decision or review a decision on > his own and that this group is now under the iron grip of asutoshji > and not tanvirji. > > hence let ashutoshji run this group with his iron hand and please > his owner. but the message is clear. all contributing members, > beware. you can be removed anytime without intimation and even if > hundred members ask for your reinstatement, all you get is volumes > of justfication of autocratic dictatorship. > > HERE IS THE HYPOCRICY. THE GROUP OWNER SAYS HE LIKES A PROCEDURAL > BAN. HE LIKES TO INFORM THE GROUP ABOUT THE BAN IF AND WHEN HE > BANS. BUT IF HIS MODERATOR DOES NOT DO THESE AND DO AS PER HIS OWN > LIKING, THE OWNER ONLY RESPECTS THE MODERATOR HELPLESSLY BECAUSE THE > OWNER IS CONVEYING A MESSAGE THAT THIS MODERATOR (ASHUOTHJI) IS MORE > POWERFUL THAN THE OWNER AND THE OWNER WILL NOT OBJECT TO ASUTOSHJI'S > DICTATORSHIP EVEN IF IT IS NOT TO THE LIKING OF THE OWNER. > > in the last two odd years, i wrote thousand times that this group is > most democratic and complimented but the owner is proving otherwise > because he is supporting a dictator as moderator even when the > moderator does things which are not to the liking of the owner. > > this is my last mail on this dictatorial moderator and the 100% all > out open support of the owner to this moderator as it is members who > constitute this group and not one owner and one moderator and > majority of the members are interested in continuing to get into > reading of charts and sharing of knowledge and put an end to this > dictatorial authority with which active contributing members are > removed ony by one. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > > , "R Satish" > <rsatish1942@> wrote: > > > > > > Daer Tanvir, > > > > I have decided not to participate in the so called > > poll. If only 50 people respond what decision are you going to > take. > > It would be a travesty of norms to have a miniscule group in the > > polls decide without knowing the full picture. > > > > I think you should allow emotions to cool down > first, > > restore a balance.A decision has been taken, which in any case is > > not for eternity. Review after some days.Where is the hassle? > > > > Creating pressure groups will open a pandoras box. I > > have left some groups myself where I did not agree with the tenor > of > > discussions.Democracy provides for this action. > > > > It has happened in some , when a split > > took place,a breakaway group was formed and which the > permits > > forming . > > > > There are so many alernatives available. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > > <tanweera@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prafulla Ji > > > > > > I did not set the option for revealing voter identity so that > > people > > > can feel free to vote and whatever they feel can be reflected. > > > > > > In this situation no one can see who voted for whom, not even I. > > > > > > I believe I did not make any mistake making Ashutosh Ji a > > moderator. > > > Still the option was kept as some of them raised the question. > > > > > > The poll will end about 2-4 days later. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving > > > remedies > > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang > <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Tanveer ji, > > > > > > > > Poll can be configured to see - who has voted for which > > > option; and when results are announced - that is often disclosed > > as > > > well. > > > > > > > > Since, you have raised a sensitive issue regarding > continuation > > of > > > Ashutosh as moderator - How can anyone vote freely, when such > > > results (with member name) is known the moderator himself (or > when > > > results are announced). > > > > > > > > The poll may not be holding confidentiality of vote for each > > > member's inclination. and under the circumstances, needs > assurance > > > from you, as to who will have access to the results !! > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > Kaun rota hai kisi aur ki khatir e dost, sabko apni hi kisi > baat > > > pe rona aaya. > > > > > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tanweera@ > > > > > Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:34:02 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > The poll > > > > > > > > > > Dear all : > > > > > > > > > > As there are a lot of discussions, opinions etc. about this > > > recent > > > > > ban with most of the people going against the ban. I want to > > know > > > > > what the majority says. Please voice your opinion freely. I > am > > a > > > > > believer of democracy, most of the times I must add. (But I > > know > > > and > > > > > admit that sometimes autocracy is needed, too.) Anyway. > > > > > > > > > > I personally feel that Bhaskar Ji's comment was > irresponsible > > and > > > > > beyond general norms of courtesy. And if I were there I > would > > > have > > > > > at least put him on moderation or perhaps I would ask him to > > > > > apologize and if he did not then perhaps ban him. The only > > thing > > > > > that supports him is his great contributions, there is no > doubt > > > > > about him. And we all are grateful to him for that. > > > > > > > > > > However we must also rememeber, as I always say, doing even > > > hundred > > > > > good deads do not permit one to do one evil. I may feed a > > hungry > > > > > poor person to the limit of his stomach but does it REALLY > > > entitle > > > > > me to beat him, or to insult him, for the cost of feeding? > > > > > > > > > > If we are to respect, and be greatful to Bhaskar Ji for his > > > > > contributions, then we must same time also voice against the > > > biased > > > > > comments that he has made. ONLY THAT IS JUSTICE. I > personally > > was > > > > > very frustrated by his biased comments and we cannot expect > > this > > > > > from a matured, wise, kind person who does good to needy > > people. > > > > > Esp. on this international board where people from all over > the > > > > > world gather. > > > > > > > > > > I was informed by Ashutosh Ji that even though Bhaskar Ji > was > > > argued > > > > > with about his mean (Yes, I would say so.) comments he > > continued > > > to > > > > > stick to it and always supported his earlier statement. > > NOTHING > > > can > > > > > be more frustrating than this, when someone refuses to > accept > > his > > > > > mistake. To err is human being and to accept mistake is the > > > > > greatness. > > > > > > > > > > Even though he was banned by Ashutosh Ji without a warning or > > > > > precaution BUT THEN Ashutosh Ji is correct about his > statement > > > that > > > > > as Bhaskar Ji kept sticking to his comments, what is the > point > > of > > > > > giving him another warning. He already refuses to admit his > > > mistake. > > > > > Right? > > > > > > > > > > Still, people have different defition of justice and > different > > > > > styles of judgement, and that is why this poll is for, to > know > > > what > > > > > you think. Because each of the members of JR is a part of > it, > > and > > > > > they all are equally important. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for being a part of JR family. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > > > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > > > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving > > > > > remedies > > > > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 , "Tanvir Chowdhury" <tanweera wrote: > > Hello Arjun Ji > > You have started a cunning game of politics and in a very clever way > you are taking others in your group too BY PUTTING WRONG MEANING TO > THEIR MSG. > > In the ORIGINAL MSG, Satish Ji was only complaining about the polls > inefficacy BECAUSE LESS PPL VOTING INTO IT. He did NOT complain > about the structure of poll that it was cleverly formed. > > But in YOUR POST you wrote that Satish Ji complained about the polls > clever construction. WHICH IS A CLEAR LIE. > > Dear members, please do not get confused by his cunning steps. His > post and Satish Ji's original post both are included in this post. > Please read them. > > He is cleverly trying to confuse people by making them go against > me. But truth prevails. > > Regards > Tanvir > > Dear Mr Tanvir, It is high time the dirty linen washing is stopped and majority is given a consideration?Those who had all out appreciation for this group as democratic are being made targetsof.The high esteem of the group is because of many and not one.This group can not oversight ARJUN2004 contributions.I may also be stamped as his supporter but facts are facts. Hence in the interest of this GIANT group matter should br resolved giving due consideration to majority-it is my request. I hope and expect majority shall join me. Regards Ramesh Ojha > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving > remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friends > > > > as brother satishji rightly put, the way this poll is constructed, > > it is a clever ploy to meet both the objectives of the group > OWNER. > > objective one is that he wants ashutosh as the dictator moderator > of > > this group at any cost, so he gave 3 out of 4 options to vote for > > ashutosh being the moderator. the second objective is that since > > many people are asking for reinstatement of bhaskarji, he gave 3 > out > > of 4 options to remove the ban on bhaskarji, so that bhaskarji can > > be reinstated based on this majority number. > > > > now, here is the catch. by this poll, the owner is clearly > > conveying a message that he will do the following, as he has done > > earlier: > > > > 1. if he receives few complaints in his personal mail against one > > member, he removes them autocratically like a dictator but he has > > the power to review his decision, if members give feedback. > > 2. he appoints such a moderator who empathises his way of removing > > an active member and improves the dictatorship by not even telling > > the group about it. > > 3. he supports such moderator's acts publicly and reconfirm that > > dictatorial rule is here to stay. > > 4. instantly after the appointment of ashutosh as moderator, he > gets > > serious objection from several members that he is an athiest who > > cannot be the moderator of a jyotish group which believes in god, > or > > he is a dictator, or many other reasons. what a great way to > greet > > a newly appointed moderator. the owner keeps silent on these > > observations. > > 5. when several people object to the appointment of asutoshji as a > > moderator, he cleverly formats a poll wherein 3 out of 4 options > are > > given to vote FOR ashutoshji. > > > > all the above clearly suggest that ashutoshji will remain the > > moderator of this group because of his alignment with the > > dictatorship of the group owner. > > > > most group members who contribute their time, money and energy in > > reading charts and sharing knowledge (including me) are now afraid > > that this moderator is ruthless and he would remail tall only by > > cutting (removing) all other members one by one. > > > > it fails simple common sense that these two dictators (owner and > > moderator) have forgotten the very existence of an option for them > > of putting an erring member under moderation so that all his bad > > mails will be rejected and only good mails will be approved. that > > way also they can convey the message to the member that all his > bad > > mails would not find place in this group. sending volumes of > > justification for removing a member outrightly SECOND TIME IN AS > > MANY MONTHS is a confirmation of the dictatorial functioning. > > > > the owner publicly exhibiting that he will not remove the ban on > > bhaskarji even if 100 people ask for it because he respects the > > moderator and THINKS that the moderator has done this activity > after > > much thought and leaving 100% in the hands of one moderator > suggest > > that he is throwing the ball of power to remove or impose ban only > > in the hands of the moderator. this way the owner is directly > > daring the members to ask ashutoshji and not him when he is cleary > > exhibiting that he will not take decision or review a decision on > > his own and that this group is now under the iron grip of > asutoshji > > and not tanvirji. > > > > hence let ashutoshji run this group with his iron hand and please > > his owner. but the message is clear. all contributing members, > > beware. you can be removed anytime without intimation and even if > > hundred members ask for your reinstatement, all you get is volumes > > of justfication of autocratic dictatorship. > > > > HERE IS THE HYPOCRICY. THE GROUP OWNER SAYS HE LIKES A PROCEDURAL > > BAN. HE LIKES TO INFORM THE GROUP ABOUT THE BAN IF AND WHEN HE > > BANS. BUT IF HIS MODERATOR DOES NOT DO THESE AND DO AS PER HIS > OWN > > LIKING, THE OWNER ONLY RESPECTS THE MODERATOR HELPLESSLY BECAUSE > THE > > OWNER IS CONVEYING A MESSAGE THAT THIS MODERATOR (ASHUOTHJI) IS > MORE > > POWERFUL THAN THE OWNER AND THE OWNER WILL NOT OBJECT TO > ASUTOSHJI'S > > DICTATORSHIP EVEN IF IT IS NOT TO THE LIKING OF THE OWNER. > > > > in the last two odd years, i wrote thousand times that this group > is > > most democratic and complimented but the owner is proving > otherwise > > because he is supporting a dictator as moderator even when the > > moderator does things which are not to the liking of the owner. > > > > this is my last mail on this dictatorial moderator and the 100% > all > > out open support of the owner to this moderator as it is members > who > > constitute this group and not one owner and one moderator and > > majority of the members are interested in continuing to get into > > reading of charts and sharing of knowledge and put an end to this > > dictatorial authority with which active contributing members are > > removed ony by one. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > > > , "R Satish" > > <rsatish1942@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Daer Tanvir, > > > > > > I have decided not to participate in the so > called > > > poll. If only 50 people respond what decision are you going to > > take. > > > It would be a travesty of norms to have a miniscule group in > the > > > polls decide without knowing the full picture. > > > > > > I think you should allow emotions to cool down > > first, > > > restore a balance.A decision has been taken, which in any case > is > > > not for eternity. Review after some days.Where is the hassle? > > > > > > Creating pressure groups will open a pandoras box. > I > > > have left some groups myself where I did not agree with the > tenor > > of > > > discussions.Democracy provides for this action. > > > > > > It has happened in some , when a > split > > > took place,a breakaway group was formed and which the > > permits > > > forming . > > > > > > There are so many alernatives available. > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > > > <tanweera@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla Ji > > > > > > > > I did not set the option for revealing voter identity so that > > > people > > > > can feel free to vote and whatever they feel can be reflected. > > > > > > > > In this situation no one can see who voted for whom, not even > I. > > > > > > > > I believe I did not make any mistake making Ashutosh Ji a > > > moderator. > > > > Still the option was kept as some of them raised the question. > > > > > > > > The poll will end about 2-4 days later. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving > > > > remedies > > > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang > > <jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tanveer ji, > > > > > > > > > > Poll can be configured to see - who has voted for > which > > > > option; and when results are announced - that is often > disclosed > > > as > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > Since, you have raised a sensitive issue regarding > > continuation > > > of > > > > Ashutosh as moderator - How can anyone vote freely, when such > > > > results (with member name) is known the moderator himself (or > > when > > > > results are announced). > > > > > > > > > > The poll may not be holding confidentiality of vote for each > > > > member's inclination. and under the circumstances, needs > > assurance > > > > from you, as to who will have access to the results !! > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > > > > > > Kaun rota hai kisi aur ki khatir e dost, sabko apni hi kisi > > baat > > > > pe rona aaya. > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tanweera@ > > > > > > Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:34:02 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > The poll > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all : > > > > > > > > > > > > As there are a lot of discussions, opinions etc. about > this > > > > recent > > > > > > ban with most of the people going against the ban. I want > to > > > know > > > > > > what the majority says. Please voice your opinion freely. > I > > am > > > a > > > > > > believer of democracy, most of the times I must add. (But > I > > > know > > > > and > > > > > > admit that sometimes autocracy is needed, too.) Anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > I personally feel that Bhaskar Ji's comment was > > irresponsible > > > and > > > > > > beyond general norms of courtesy. And if I were there I > > would > > > > have > > > > > > at least put him on moderation or perhaps I would ask him > to > > > > > > apologize and if he did not then perhaps ban him. The only > > > thing > > > > > > that supports him is his great contributions, there is no > > doubt > > > > > > about him. And we all are grateful to him for that. > > > > > > > > > > > > However we must also rememeber, as I always say, doing > even > > > > hundred > > > > > > good deads do not permit one to do one evil. I may feed a > > > hungry > > > > > > poor person to the limit of his stomach but does it REALLY > > > > entitle > > > > > > me to beat him, or to insult him, for the cost of feeding? > > > > > > > > > > > > If we are to respect, and be greatful to Bhaskar Ji for his > > > > > > contributions, then we must same time also voice against > the > > > > biased > > > > > > comments that he has made. ONLY THAT IS JUSTICE. I > > personally > > > was > > > > > > very frustrated by his biased comments and we cannot > expect > > > this > > > > > > from a matured, wise, kind person who does good to needy > > > people. > > > > > > Esp. on this international board where people from all > over > > the > > > > > > world gather. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was informed by Ashutosh Ji that even though Bhaskar Ji > > was > > > > argued > > > > > > with about his mean (Yes, I would say so.) comments he > > > continued > > > > to > > > > > > stick to it and always supported his earlier statement. > > > NOTHING > > > > can > > > > > > be more frustrating than this, when someone refuses to > > accept > > > his > > > > > > mistake. To err is human being and to accept mistake is the > > > > > > greatness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Even though he was banned by Ashutosh Ji without a warning > or > > > > > > precaution BUT THEN Ashutosh Ji is correct about his > > statement > > > > that > > > > > > as Bhaskar Ji kept sticking to his comments, what is the > > point > > > of > > > > > > giving him another warning. He already refuses to admit > his > > > > mistake. > > > > > > Right? > > > > > > > > > > > > Still, people have different defition of justice and > > different > > > > > > styles of judgement, and that is why this poll is for, to > > know > > > > what > > > > > > you think. Because each of the members of JR is a part of > > it, > > > and > > > > > > they all are equally important. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for being a part of JR family. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > > > > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > > > > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem > solving > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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