Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Dear members, Jyotish is a science which has developed due to countless observations and contributions by countless people over thousands of years all over the world. These people practised different religions, had different languages and beliefs. Yet the knowledge of astrology spread from region to region and was modified and assimilated in all cultures as per their own requirements. Calling astrology a gift from only one religion or culture is a big mistake in itself. We should not forget that the numerous roots of a tress are very important in order to give the delicious fruit. One may shortsightedly think that the fruit is a gift of the branch only. One may totally ignore the hidden but deep roots of the tree. Religion has fostered and saved astrology from extinction, but religion is not astrology. It is also a fallacy to believe that one who has been brought up in India does not have any knowledge about Indian culture of mythologies. Instead it is possible that: 1. One has deeply studied all religions and mythologies prevalent in his lifetime and has finally realised the fulitities of such psychological bondages, prefering to calling oneself a religiousless person and an atheist. But, that does not mean that knowledge of holy scriptures is wiped out from one's mind. Only, one has started deriving uselfull practical meanings out of the scriptures which are more reasonable. Instead of studying the scriptures as religious books, one now studies them as books having encoded knowledge. 2. One may have been born in the so called highest caste and one's family may have been the most respected and revered in is one's native place. But, realising the baselessness of such caste systems and valuing the equality of all humans, one decided not to call oneself as belonging to any caste. This shows the mature thinking and broadmindedness of oneself and not vice versa 3. One may be having good knowledge of occult and tantra vidya but finds it improper to use and mix it with practice and popularisation of astrology. An astrologer has to follow some ethics. Occult is not astrology. It is a different field altogether and very likely to be used for fooling people. A person may or may not be religious, but a person can be an astrologer. There is no emphasis anywhere in any astrological text that to predict correctly one should believe in make believe concepts of god or some higher being. If it were so, the atheist astrologer would not have been able to successfully last in his profession since last eleven years. Those who lack the deep knowledge about astrology try to compensate that by using religious rituals, superstitions, myths and occult. A limited does of these is alright once in a while, not everyday and in overdose. Occult is not astrology. It is occult. It is basically a way to fool the subconscious mind. It can cure a malady and can also increase it. Not everyone who propheses to be an occult expert is really one. Astrology by itself has all the answers to all questions and it can give proper remedies too. The remedies are religion specific and culture specific. One who is not flexible in thought will try to impose his own religious beliefs on everyone. A good astrologer always takes into consideration the background of the querist before giving any remedies. There is a saying. "Do not explain your stand to anyone. Those who are with you will not need any explanation. Those who are not with you will not believe any explanations." One can believe whatever one wants to believe. But, truth is that insecurity arises from past mistakes. One with a clear heart will never be insecure. Regards, Ashutosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 dear ashutoshji according to my best knowledge the vedas, puranas, samhitas and other sanskrit classics are the only reference of ancient astrology in the world, thousands of years ago. ashutoshji, can you substantiate your statement of other religions having astrology thousands of years ago and names of such astrology books from other religions, if any. with best wishes pandit arjun , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh wrote: > > Dear members, > > Jyotish is a science which has developed due to countless observations and contributions by countless people over thousands of years all over the world. These people practised different religions, had different languages and beliefs. Yet the knowledge of astrology spread from region to region and was modified and assimilated in all cultures as per their own requirements. > > Calling astrology a gift from only one religion or culture is a big mistake in itself. We should not forget that the numerous roots of a tress are very important in order to give the delicious fruit. One may shortsightedly think that the fruit is a gift of the branch only. One may totally ignore the hidden but deep roots of the tree. > > Religion has fostered and saved astrology from extinction, but religion is not astrology. > > It is also a fallacy to believe that one who has been brought up in India does not have any knowledge about Indian culture of mythologies. Instead it is possible that: > > 1. One has deeply studied all religions and mythologies prevalent in his lifetime and has finally realised the fulitities of such psychological bondages, prefering to calling oneself a religiousless person and an atheist. But, that does not mean that knowledge of holy scriptures is wiped out from one's mind. Only, one has started deriving uselfull practical meanings out of the scriptures which are more reasonable. Instead of studying the scriptures as religious books, one now studies them as books having encoded knowledge. > > 2. One may have been born in the so called highest caste and one's family may have been the most respected and revered in is one's native place. But, realising the baselessness of such caste systems and valuing the equality of all humans, one decided not to call oneself as belonging to any caste. This shows the mature thinking and broadmindedness of oneself and not vice versa > > 3. One may be having good knowledge of occult and tantra vidya but finds it improper to use and mix it with practice and popularisation of astrology. An astrologer has to follow some ethics. Occult is not astrology. It is a different field altogether and very likely to be used for fooling people. > > A person may or may not be religious, but a person can be an astrologer. There is no emphasis anywhere in any astrological text that to predict correctly one should believe in make believe concepts of god or some higher being. If it were so, the atheist astrologer would not have been able to successfully last in his profession since last eleven years. > > Those who lack the deep knowledge about astrology try to compensate that by using religious rituals, superstitions, myths and occult. A limited does of these is alright once in a while, not everyday and in overdose. > > Occult is not astrology. It is occult. It is basically a way to fool the subconscious mind. It can cure a malady and can also increase it. Not everyone who propheses to be an occult expert is really one. Astrology by itself has all the answers to all questions and it can give proper remedies too. > > The remedies are religion specific and culture specific. One who is not flexible in thought will try to impose his own religious beliefs on everyone. A good astrologer always takes into consideration the background of the querist before giving any remedies. > > > There is a saying. "Do not explain your stand to anyone. Those who are with you will not need any explanation. Those who are not with you will not believe any explanations." > > One can believe whatever one wants to believe. But, truth is that insecurity arises from past mistakes. One with a clear heart will never be insecure. > > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Dear Arjun Ji, Some good links: http://touregypt.net/astro/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrology#History_of_astrology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia_of_Alexandria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_astrology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic_astrology http://www.skyscript.co.uk/firmicus.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiochus_of_Athens http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khwarizmi http://www.new-library.com/zoller/features/rz-article-abumashar.shtml I tried to upload the english version of Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos to the group files' section, but there is no space to add new files there. And we have not even taken up astrology as it was practiced by the Chinese and by the Mayan civilization. Arjun Ji, infinite civilisations and knowledges have developed and perished on this planet alone. What we know is only a miniscule part of all knowledges. Regards, Ashutosh - panditarjun2004 Tuesday, 19 September, 2006 10:53 Re: Atheism and astrologer dear ashutoshji according to my best knowledge the vedas, puranas, samhitas and other sanskrit classics are the only reference of ancient astrology in the world, thousands of years ago. ashutoshji, can you substantiate your statement of other religions having astrology thousands of years ago and names of such astrology books from other religions, if any. with best wishes pandit arjun , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh wrote: > > Dear members, > > Jyotish is a science which has developed due to countless observations and contributions by countless people over thousands of years all over the world. These people practised different religions, had different languages and beliefs. Yet the knowledge of astrology spread from region to region and was modified and assimilated in all cultures as per their own requirements. > > Calling astrology a gift from only one religion or culture is a big mistake in itself. We should not forget that the numerous roots of a tress are very important in order to give the delicious fruit. One may shortsightedly think that the fruit is a gift of the branch only. One may totally ignore the hidden but deep roots of the tree. > > Religion has fostered and saved astrology from extinction, but religion is not astrology. > > It is also a fallacy to believe that one who has been brought up in India does not have any knowledge about Indian culture of mythologies. Instead it is possible that: > > 1. One has deeply studied all religions and mythologies prevalent in his lifetime and has finally realised the fulitities of such psychological bondages, prefering to calling oneself a religiousless person and an atheist. But, that does not mean that knowledge of holy scriptures is wiped out from one's mind. Only, one has started deriving uselfull practical meanings out of the scriptures which are more reasonable. Instead of studying the scriptures as religious books, one now studies them as books having encoded knowledge. > > 2. One may have been born in the so called highest caste and one's family may have been the most respected and revered in is one's native place. But, realising the baselessness of such caste systems and valuing the equality of all humans, one decided not to call oneself as belonging to any caste. This shows the mature thinking and broadmindedness of oneself and not vice versa > > 3. One may be having good knowledge of occult and tantra vidya but finds it improper to use and mix it with practice and popularisation of astrology. An astrologer has to follow some ethics. Occult is not astrology. It is a different field altogether and very likely to be used for fooling people. > > A person may or may not be religious, but a person can be an astrologer. There is no emphasis anywhere in any astrological text that to predict correctly one should believe in make believe concepts of god or some higher being. If it were so, the atheist astrologer would not have been able to successfully last in his profession since last eleven years. > > Those who lack the deep knowledge about astrology try to compensate that by using religious rituals, superstitions, myths and occult. A limited does of these is alright once in a while, not everyday and in overdose. > > Occult is not astrology. It is occult. It is basically a way to fool the subconscious mind. It can cure a malady and can also increase it. Not everyone who propheses to be an occult expert is really one. Astrology by itself has all the answers to all questions and it can give proper remedies too. > > The remedies are religion specific and culture specific. One who is not flexible in thought will try to impose his own religious beliefs on everyone. A good astrologer always takes into consideration the background of the querist before giving any remedies. > > > There is a saying. "Do not explain your stand to anyone. Those who are with you will not need any explanation. Those who are not with you will not believe any explanations." > > One can believe whatever one wants to believe. But, truth is that insecurity arises from past mistakes. One with a clear heart will never be insecure. > > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Learned Members, I am quoting some famous lines from "Yogis, Destiny & Wheel of time" by SHree K.N.Rao....the lines i got from http://lightonVedic Astrology.com Few months before he took samadhi (a yogi's conscious death), the great yogi, Devaraha Baba, had told a friend-astrologer: "Bachcha, ye pavitra vidya hai, ise chhodana nahin," meaning, "It (Vedic astrology) is a sacred vidya (branch of knowledge). Do not give it up." Every great and true mahatma (great soul) I have met, has called it both sacred and a vidya... I have referred in my article on Dr. Nagendra Singh, former judge of the International Court of Justice (The Astrological Magazine, January 1984), how mahatmas have spoken of astrology and instructed me, not to give it up. From time to time what they have said is: Astrology should be treated as a part of sadhana (spiritual practice) was the advice of my late Guruji, Swami Paramanand Saraswati, my mantra guru. Astrology is the only vidya which shows clearly how cosmic laws operate through planets, but at a later stage, it should be given up lest it become an obstacle to sadhana, was the opinion of my jyotish guru, Swami Bhaskaranandji. Swami Moorkhanandji must have told me more than a dozen times not to give up astrology. He told me that astrology had to be a mission, a service done without money consideration, to keep alive its sacredness. He knew some of those secrets which, I know, that only mahatmas know, and are not given in any text book of astrology. He shared some of them with me, when I could be alone with him, which was rare. Mouni Baba of Ujjain told me to overcome my problems which astrology created for me, to give consultations to least number of people and concentrate my energy on more research in a cloistered, sequestered life. This was the best advice I ever got. With Humbleness, , "astrologerashutosh" <astrologerashutosh wrote: > > Dear members, > > Jyotish is a science which has developed due to countless observations and contributions by countless people over thousands of years all over the world. These people practised different religions, had different languages and beliefs. Yet the knowledge of astrology spread from region to region and was modified and assimilated in all cultures as per their own requirements. > > Calling astrology a gift from only one religion or culture is a big mistake in itself. We should not forget that the numerous roots of a tress are very important in order to give the delicious fruit. One may shortsightedly think that the fruit is a gift of the branch only. One may totally ignore the hidden but deep roots of the tree. > > Religion has fostered and saved astrology from extinction, but religion is not astrology. > > It is also a fallacy to believe that one who has been brought up in India does not have any knowledge about Indian culture of mythologies. Instead it is possible that: > > 1. One has deeply studied all religions and mythologies prevalent in his lifetime and has finally realised the fulitities of such psychological bondages, prefering to calling oneself a religiousless person and an atheist. But, that does not mean that knowledge of holy scriptures is wiped out from one's mind. Only, one has started deriving uselfull practical meanings out of the scriptures which are more reasonable. Instead of studying the scriptures as religious books, one now studies them as books having encoded knowledge. > > 2. One may have been born in the so called highest caste and one's family may have been the most respected and revered in is one's native place. But, realising the baselessness of such caste systems and valuing the equality of all humans, one decided not to call oneself as belonging to any caste. This shows the mature thinking and broadmindedness of oneself and not vice versa > > 3. One may be having good knowledge of occult and tantra vidya but finds it improper to use and mix it with practice and popularisation of astrology. An astrologer has to follow some ethics. Occult is not astrology. It is a different field altogether and very likely to be used for fooling people. > > A person may or may not be religious, but a person can be an astrologer. There is no emphasis anywhere in any astrological text that to predict correctly one should believe in make believe concepts of god or some higher being. If it were so, the atheist astrologer would not have been able to successfully last in his profession since last eleven years. > > Those who lack the deep knowledge about astrology try to compensate that by using religious rituals, superstitions, myths and occult. A limited does of these is alright once in a while, not everyday and in overdose. > > Occult is not astrology. It is occult. It is basically a way to fool the subconscious mind. It can cure a malady and can also increase it. Not everyone who propheses to be an occult expert is really one. Astrology by itself has all the answers to all questions and it can give proper remedies too. > > The remedies are religion specific and culture specific. One who is not flexible in thought will try to impose his own religious beliefs on everyone. A good astrologer always takes into consideration the background of the querist before giving any remedies. > > > There is a saying. "Do not explain your stand to anyone. Those who are with you will not need any explanation. Those who are not with you will not believe any explanations." > > One can believe whatever one wants to believe. But, truth is that insecurity arises from past mistakes. One with a clear heart will never be insecure. > > > Regards, > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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