Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Dear Visti and other learned members of the list Namaskar Found this discussion quite interesting and a topic on which we have been wanting to know more for quite some time.End of the day jyotish is a study of karma where the past present and future all converge in guiding the soul through its levels of evolution I am enclosing two charts for the list .Bboth have Sani and Rahu conjunction in the quadrants in 7th and 4th house respectively.Both are abhimukhas with atmakarakas being involved in the curse husbands chart- 10dec 1968, time 0135 17 sec,pob delhi wifes chart 5th feb 1969,time 0347 15 sec pob, ranchi Have been trying to decipher a karmic pattern here and the implication of the joint curses. both lagnas are dual signs curses are due to sani- rah conjunction afflicting jupiter and the quadrants Does the effect of Sani-Rahu combination become less since it is in the sign of Jupiter and also aspected by Jupiter or does it imply a stronger affliction grah and rasi Also in husband though Jupiter is in Lagna it is also a Badhakesh hence does it make the curse more intense . in wifes the lagan lord is jupiter involved in the curse along with an exalted venus the wifes rahu jupiter dasha is on and the husbands venus shani is involved both are also running sadesati Both have been running moola dashas reflecting manisfestation of the curses or concurrently . How do we relate this to the past What joint karma is shared here and where and how would be curse manifest itself Also the husbands chart is very interesting in relation to the parivartan yogas in rasi and navamsa as they involve shani and rahu.There is a also a charakarak replacement involving saturn . Both of them are also students of jyotish I understand this topic has been in discussion for some time .........but if you could these charts to do the one free reading . Otherwise please just discuss points here which have not been discussed earlier thanks Nisha and amit Om Krishna Guru >sushmagupta51 > > >RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji >Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:03:38 -0700 (PDT) > >!Om Gurveh namah! > Dear Visti ji, Namaskar! > > When do Bahava Shrapa and Graha Shaap manifest? > > I am guessing Graha shaap will be Visomitari dasha and Bhava Shaap most effective under Narayana Dasha of the house and will be there throughout life. > > Let me know when you get a moment. > > Warm regards, > Pranav > >Visti Larsen wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Twinkle, Namaskar > The intensity of a curse is usually determined from the navamsa in addition with the rasi, i.e. is the cursed planet in vargottama, fixed, dual, movable navamsa, etc. Finally the Shastyamsa (d60) is used to understand the exact past karma pertaining to the curse, and also the intensity of the karmic-experience. > Your second question is abit unclear to me. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > Terms of Use | Un Recent Activity 24 New Members Visit Your Group Mail Get on board You're invited to try the all-new Mail Beta. Y! Messenger PC-to-PC calls Call your friends worldwide - free! Need traffic? Drive customers With search ads on . __,_._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Dear Visti and other learned members of the list Namaskar Found this discussion quite interesting and a topic on which we have been wanting to know more for quite some time.End of the day jyotish is a study of karma where the past present and future all converge in guiding the soul through its levels of evolution I am enclosing two charts for the list .Bboth have Sani and Rahu conjunction in the quadrants in 7th and 4th house respectively.Both are abhimukhas with atmakarakas being involved in the curse husbands chart- 10dec 1968, time 0135 17 sec,pob delhi wifes chart 5th feb 1969,time 0347 15 sec pob, ranchi Have been trying to decipher a karmic pattern here and the implication of the joint curses. both lagnas are dual signs curses are due to sani- rah conjunction afflicting jupiter and the quadrants Does the effect of Sani-Rahu combination become less since it is in the sign of Jupiter and also aspected by Jupiter or does it imply a stronger affliction grah and rasi Also in husband though Jupiter is in Lagna it is also a Badhakesh hence does it make the curse more intense . in wifes the lagan lord is jupiter involved in the curse along with an exalted venus the wifes rahu jupiter dasha is on and the husbands venus shani is involved both are also running sadesati Both have been running moola dashas reflecting manisfestation of the curses or concurrently . How do we relate this to the past What joint karma is shared here and where and how would be curse manifest itself Also the husbands chart is very interesting in relation to the parivartan yogas in rasi and navamsa as they involve shani and rahu.There is a also a charakarak replacement involving saturn . Both of them are also students of jyotish I understand this topic has been in discussion for some time .........but if you could these charts to do the one free reading . Otherwise please just discuss points here which have not been discussed earlier thanks Nisha and amit Om Krishna Guru >sushmagupta51 > > >RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji >Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:03:38 -0700 (PDT) > >!Om Gurveh namah! > Dear Visti ji, Namaskar! > > When do Bahava Shrapa and Graha Shaap manifest? > > I am guessing Graha shaap will be Visomitari dasha and Bhava Shaap most effective under Narayana Dasha of the house and will be there throughout life. > > Let me know when you get a moment. > > Warm regards, > Pranav > >Visti Larsen wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Twinkle, Namaskar > The intensity of a curse is usually determined from the navamsa in addition with the rasi, i.e. is the cursed planet in vargottama, fixed, dual, movable navamsa, etc. Finally the Shastyamsa (d60) is used to understand the exact past karma pertaining to the curse, and also the intensity of the karmic-experience. > Your second question is abit unclear to me. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > Terms of Use | Un Recent Activity 24 New Members Visit Your Group Mail Next gen email? Try the all-new Mail Beta. Y! Messenger Send pics quick Share photos while you IM friends. Ads on Learn more now. Reach customers searching for you. . __,_._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Hello, Well, it's a detailed post. Anyhow, in the chart of the husband, Guru is afflicted by the Pishacha Badhak Yoga and Saturn-Rahu. An elaborate examination is required as Mars is the most malefic for Kanya Lagna and the 3rd House shows the source of the suffering. This houses the UL with Surya-Budh showing an inelligent (Budh- Aditya Yoga) spouse interested in occult (Scorpio). The UL is involved in the source of suffering. Saturn and Rahu afflict the 7th House, heightening these indications. The longevity of the marriage in this chart is not free from apprehension. The CK replacement might cause some upheaval in the 7th House matters, as too the UL. Work may become more dominated by Jupiter and the native may begin to worship and live for his work. Such a person becomes a Karmayogi. Remedial measures can be tried as Saturn is the 5th Lord even though it is Vakri. Kendra placement of Guru shows that the intention behind the act which invited the curse was good but the sin incurred is considerable due to the 8th House involvement. Mars is the 8th Lord. The manifestation of the curse can cause emotional blockages and complications as the Lagna and the AK (after replacement) are involved. The replacement might be linked with the effects of the curse. The Badhak influence worsens the situation. It might be better if Visti recommends the remedial measures for this chart. Best Wishes, Anurag Sharma http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 || hare räma kåñna || Dear Nisha, Amit, Anurag, Namaskar Thanks for your nice post Anurag. I have one thought though, and that is that the husband may not be on his first UL. The reason I think this is that both UL lords and the second lord therefrom are in the 1/7 axis where we have all the problems already discussed - brahmin shaapa, pisaca badhaka and pitri and pisaca dosha also. I do not think, given this, that the first relationship would have lasted or even resulted in formal marriage - it would simply be too difficult. The second UL is Gemini which is the 7th from the spouse's lagna - and has many of the same grahas influencing as the spouse does in her chart. This to me seems more likely. I drew a prasna (attached) which also suggests this. This UL is, however, ill placed from Venus which isn't a good thing, and there are also many malefic aspects. The spouse, meanwhile, is definitely on her first UL. This too is afflicted by the curse combination, and the lord isn't so well placed either. Further, but the UL lord and the 2nd lord are debilitated in Navamsa. So, as you said, this doesn't bode well for the marriage. Nisha/Amit - could you please tell us when the couple was married? These are just my brief and inexperienced thoughts so please feel free to correct me if you think it necessary. I hope Guruji will also guide us with regard to suggesting remedies. Best wishes, Samir At 19:46 18/09/2006, you wrote: >Hello, > >Well, it's a detailed post. Anyhow, in the chart of the husband, >Guru is afflicted by the Pishacha Badhak Yoga and Saturn-Rahu. An >elaborate examination is required as Mars is the most malefic for >Kanya Lagna and the 3rd House shows the source of the suffering. >This houses the UL with Surya-Budh showing an inelligent (Budh- >Aditya Yoga) spouse interested in occult (Scorpio). The UL is >involved in the source of suffering. Saturn and Rahu afflict the 7th >House, heightening these indications. > >The longevity of the marriage in this chart is not free from >apprehension. The CK replacement might cause some upheaval in the >7th House matters, as too the UL. Work may become more dominated by >Jupiter and the native may begin to worship and live for his work. >Such a person becomes a Karmayogi. > >Remedial measures can be tried as Saturn is the 5th Lord even though >it is Vakri. Kendra placement of Guru shows that the intention >behind the act which invited the curse was good but the sin incurred >is considerable due to the 8th House involvement. Mars is the 8th >Lord. The manifestation of the curse can cause emotional blockages >and complications as the Lagna and the AK (after replacement) are >involved. The replacement might be linked with the effects of the >curse. The Badhak influence worsens the situation. > >It might be better if Visti recommends the remedial measures for >this chart. > >Best Wishes, >Anurag Sharma >http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Dear Samir, Thank you. Yes, that may well be. I was so involved in all those combinations that I did not consider the possibility of the first UL not actually manifesting. Best wishes, Anurag. http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke wrote: > > || hare räma kåñna || > > Dear Nisha, Amit, Anurag, Namaskar > > Thanks for your nice post Anurag. I have one > thought though, and that is that the husband may not be on his first UL. > > The reason I think this is that both UL lords and > the second lord therefrom are in the 1/7 axis > where we have all the problems already discussed > - brahmin shaapa, pisaca badhaka and pitri and > pisaca dosha also. I do not think, given this, > that the first relationship would have lasted or > even resulted in formal marriage - it would simply be too difficult. > > The second UL is Gemini which is the 7th from the > spouse's lagna - and has many of the same grahas > influencing as the spouse does in her > chart. This to me seems more likely. I drew a > prasna (attached) which also suggests this. This > UL is, however, ill placed from Venus which isn't > a good thing, and there are also many malefic aspects. > > The spouse, meanwhile, is definitely on her first > UL. This too is afflicted by the curse > combination, and the lord isn't so well placed > either. Further, but the UL lord and the 2nd > lord are debilitated in Navamsa. So, as you > said, this doesn't bode well for the marriage. > > Nisha/Amit - could you please tell us when the couple was married? > > These are just my brief and inexperienced > thoughts so please feel free to correct me if you > think it necessary. I hope Guruji will also > guide us with regard to suggesting remedies. > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > > At 19:46 18/09/2006, you wrote: > >Hello, > > > >Well, it's a detailed post. Anyhow, in the chart of the husband, > >Guru is afflicted by the Pishacha Badhak Yoga and Saturn-Rahu. An > >elaborate examination is required as Mars is the most malefic for > >Kanya Lagna and the 3rd House shows the source of the suffering. > >This houses the UL with Surya-Budh showing an inelligent (Budh- > >Aditya Yoga) spouse interested in occult (Scorpio). The UL is > >involved in the source of suffering. Saturn and Rahu afflict the 7th > >House, heightening these indications. > > > >The longevity of the marriage in this chart is not free from > >apprehension. The CK replacement might cause some upheaval in the > >7th House matters, as too the UL. Work may become more dominated by > >Jupiter and the native may begin to worship and live for his work. > >Such a person becomes a Karmayogi. > > > >Remedial measures can be tried as Saturn is the 5th Lord even though > >it is Vakri. Kendra placement of Guru shows that the intention > >behind the act which invited the curse was good but the sin incurred > >is considerable due to the 8th House involvement. Mars is the 8th > >Lord. The manifestation of the curse can cause emotional blockages > >and complications as the Lagna and the AK (after replacement) are > >involved. The replacement might be linked with the effects of the > >curse. The Badhak influence worsens the situation. > > > >It might be better if Visti recommends the remedial measures for > >this chart. > > > >Best Wishes, > >Anurag Sharma > >http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > > > 9 > 20 > 2006 > 8.029500 > -3.000000 > -36.490000 > -1.170000 > 0.000000 > -3.000000 > -3.000000 > 1 > 119 > Nairobi > Kenya > 1 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Om Guruveh Namah Om Namah shivay Dear Samir The couple was married on 21st nov 1995 ,It was a love marriage approved by the family Look at the UL in cancer in the wifes chart?It is in cancer and its lord is in second to it with aspect of Sun ,Mer and Mars in leo.It is also in trines to AL Both have got their Nadi readings done and the nadis have not predicted any break in marriage. For your info again Husbands dob 10.12.68.place New Delhi .time -1.35 .17 AM Wife dob 5.02.1969 place Ranchi Time -3.47.15sec May Jupites light shine on all of us Nisha >"Anurag Sharma" <anuraagsharma27 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> > > >[Om Krishna Guru] Re: Bhava Shrapa - to visti ji/anurag >Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:01:54 -0000 > >Dear Samir, > >Thank you. Yes, that may well be. I was so involved in all those >combinations that I did not consider the possibility of the first UL >not actually manifesting. > >Best wishes, >Anurag. >http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke >wrote: > > > > || hare räma kåñna || > > > > Dear Nisha, Amit, Anurag, Namaskar > > > > Thanks for your nice post Anurag. I have one > > thought though, and that is that the husband may not be on his >first UL. > > > > The reason I think this is that both UL lords and > > the second lord therefrom are in the 1/7 axis > > where we have all the problems already discussed > > - brahmin shaapa, pisaca badhaka and pitri and > > pisaca dosha also. I do not think, given this, > > that the first relationship would have lasted or > > even resulted in formal marriage - it would simply be too >difficult. > > > > The second UL is Gemini which is the 7th from the > > spouse's lagna - and has many of the same grahas > > influencing as the spouse does in her > > chart. This to me seems more likely. I drew a > > prasna (attached) which also suggests this. This > > UL is, however, ill placed from Venus which isn't > > a good thing, and there are also many malefic aspects. > > > > The spouse, meanwhile, is definitely on her first > > UL. This too is afflicted by the curse > > combination, and the lord isn't so well placed > > either. Further, but the UL lord and the 2nd > > lord are debilitated in Navamsa. So, as you > > said, this doesn't bode well for the marriage. > > > > Nisha/Amit - could you please tell us when the couple was married? > > > > These are just my brief and inexperienced > > thoughts so please feel free to correct me if you > > think it necessary. I hope Guruji will also > > guide us with regard to suggesting remedies. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > At 19:46 18/09/2006, you wrote: > > >Hello, > > > > > >Well, it's a detailed post. Anyhow, in the chart of the husband, > > >Guru is afflicted by the Pishacha Badhak Yoga and Saturn-Rahu. An > > >elaborate examination is required as Mars is the most malefic for > > >Kanya Lagna and the 3rd House shows the source of the suffering. > > >This houses the UL with Surya-Budh showing an inelligent (Budh- > > >Aditya Yoga) spouse interested in occult (Scorpio). The UL is > > >involved in the source of suffering. Saturn and Rahu afflict the >7th > > >House, heightening these indications. > > > > > >The longevity of the marriage in this chart is not free from > > >apprehension. The CK replacement might cause some upheaval in the > > >7th House matters, as too the UL. Work may become more dominated >by > > >Jupiter and the native may begin to worship and live for his work. > > >Such a person becomes a Karmayogi. > > > > > >Remedial measures can be tried as Saturn is the 5th Lord even >though > > >it is Vakri. Kendra placement of Guru shows that the intention > > >behind the act which invited the curse was good but the sin >incurred > > >is considerable due to the 8th House involvement. Mars is the 8th > > >Lord. The manifestation of the curse can cause emotional blockages > > >and complications as the Lagna and the AK (after replacement) are > > >involved. The replacement might be linked with the effects of the > > >curse. The Badhak influence worsens the situation. > > > > > >It might be better if Visti recommends the remedial measures for > > >this chart. > > > > > >Best Wishes, > > >Anurag Sharma > > >http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > > > > > > 9 > > 20 > > 2006 > > 8.029500 > > -3.000000 > > -36.490000 > > -1.170000 > > 0.000000 > > -3.000000 > > -3.000000 > > 1 > > 119 > > Nairobi > > Kenya > > 1 > > > > > > _______________ Connect with your friends who use Messenger with Voice. Click! http://www.msnspecials.in/wlm/index.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 || hare räma kåñna || Dear Nisha, Namaskar I was using Virgo UL. The wife's 12th house is Scorpio with two lords. If we find both Upapadas, then we see that Virgo is the stronger one (with more planets). See how closely this matches the husband's chart.... I am not familiar with Nadi methods and so I cannot confirm or counter that aspect. It could well be that I've missed something in these charts - or that I haven't identified the present ULs correctly! But the ULs I have worked with (2nd for husband and 1st for wife) seem to match each others charts well. The basic marriage matching (various kutas, lagna, subhapati etc) is pretty good - apart from the risk of financial troubles. What concerns me is the affliction of the ULs in both charts, and their lords/2nd lords. Looking at my prasna also, you will see that the second lords from the prasna UL are involved in a severe curse. It may suggest that while the match is good, circumstances and external factors (bhagya) may still cause a problem. But then, the marriage has lasted 11 years already.... I could have made some mistakes in this analysis - please lets wait to see what Guruji and other members have to say. It is an interesting study. Best wishes, Samir At 19:12 20/09/2006, you wrote: >Om Guruveh Namah > >Om Namah shivay > > >Dear Samir > >The couple was married on 21st nov 1995 ,It was a love marriage approved by >the family > >Look at the UL in cancer in the wifes chart?It is in cancer and its lord is >in second to it with aspect of Sun ,Mer and Mars in leo.It is also in trines >to AL > >Both have got their Nadi readings done and the nadis have not predicted any >break in marriage. > >For your info again > >Husbands dob 10.12.68.place New Delhi .time -1.35 .17 AM > >Wife dob 5.02.1969 place Ranchi Time -3.47.15sec > > >May Jupites light shine on all of us > >Nisha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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