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Sat Nam yogis, a group of shakitmen in Vancouver BC and here in Kansas

City Mo are going to gather in our seperate venues to meditate tonight

on the evening of the New Moon, tonight, Friday, 9/22. We invite

anyone who would like to to join us in raising their (our) vibration

individually, as a group and as a gender.

 

We'll be doing the Meditation to Conquer Self Animosity (page 397 KRI

International Teacher Training manual Level I) for 11 minutes, and the

Pran Bandha Mantra Meditation (page 447 KRI International Teacher

Training manual Level I) for 22 minutes.

 

We're not excluding the ladies. They can participate by serving Yogi

Tea and cookies (eyes need not be averted)<;)>!

 

Karta Purkh Singh Khalsa

Sat Tirath Ashram

Kansas City MO

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Just out of curiousity- why are no women invited to participate in

the meditation?

 

Why are they serving only?

 

I have only been doing KY for 3 years- but this is the first I've

heard of women being present only to serve and not to participate

 

The eyes averted is said jokingly, but I find the whole post

disturbing and realize I probably need an explanation of the

meditation and the tradition behind it?

 

 

 

Kundaliniyoga, "Karta Purkh S Khalsa"

<kpsk_teacher wrote:

>

> Sat Nam yogis, a group of shakitmen in Vancouver BC and here in

Kansas

> City Mo are going to gather in our seperate venues to meditate

tonight

> on the evening of the New Moon, tonight, Friday, 9/22. We invite

> anyone who would like to to join us in raising their (our) vibration

> individually, as a group and as a gender.

>

> We'll be doing the Meditation to Conquer Self Animosity (page 397

KRI

> International Teacher Training manual Level I) for 11 minutes, and

the

> Pran Bandha Mantra Meditation (page 447 KRI International Teacher

> Training manual Level I) for 22 minutes.

>

> We're not excluding the ladies. They can participate by serving Yogi

> Tea and cookies (eyes need not be averted)<;)>!

>

> Karta Purkh Singh Khalsa

> Sat Tirath Ashram

> Kansas City MO

>

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oh please tell me - moderators especially - this is a joke. yes, i am entirely serious.

>

> We're not excluding the ladies. They can participate by serving Yogi

> Tea and cookies (eyes need not be averted)<;)>!

>

> Karta Purkh Singh Khalsa

> Sat Tirath Ashram

> Kansas City MO

>

>

>

>

>

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Sat Nam all

This new Moon thing bothers me. Since when are women relegated to

servitude. What a condescending and backward move that it. I do not think it

belongs in KY but I want to hear from Dharam and Awtar and what there views are on

this.

Teresa

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Kundaliniyoga, "primalconnection" <cfpp wrote:

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I am truly sorry if I offended you ji, I had no intent to do so.

 

As for the Men Only thing, well, the SSSji often advised couples to

spend some time apart as a way of sharpening appreciation of each

other. Also, he did teach us seperately as well, Ladies Camp being one

example and the Men's Courses being another.

 

This was not meant to be a "special" New Moon meditation but just a

date for "us guys" to get together and meditate in the company of

their peers.

 

Sat Nam

 

> Just out of curiousity- why are no women invited to participate in

> the meditation?

>

> Why are they serving only?

>

> I have only been doing KY for 3 years- but this is the first I've

> heard of women being present only to serve and not to participate

>

> The eyes averted is said jokingly, but I find the whole post

> disturbing and realize I probably need an explanation of the

> meditation and the tradition behind it?

>

>

>

> Kundaliniyoga, "Karta Purkh S Khalsa"

> <kpsk_teacher@> wrote:

> >

> > Sat Nam yogis, a group of shakitmen in Vancouver BC and here in

> Kansas

> > City Mo are going to gather in our seperate venues to meditate

> tonight

> > on the evening of the New Moon, tonight, Friday, 9/22. We invite

> > anyone who would like to to join us in raising their (our) vibration

> > individually, as a group and as a gender.

> >

> > We'll be doing the Meditation to Conquer Self Animosity (page 397

> KRI

> > International Teacher Training manual Level I) for 11 minutes, and

> the

> > Pran Bandha Mantra Meditation (page 447 KRI International Teacher

> > Training manual Level I) for 22 minutes.

> >

> > We're not excluding the ladies. They can participate by serving Yogi

> > Tea and cookies (eyes need not be averted)<;)>!

> >

> > Karta Purkh Singh Khalsa

> > Sat Tirath Ashram

> > Kansas City MO

> >

>

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Dear ladies:

 

 

 

Karta Purkh explained himself. I think one piece that was not explained is

this : OK so men and women are invited sometimes to practice separately,

that's a practice in and of itself, but why should women serve men. Am I

understanding your concern correctly Teresa? I think that the intent is not

for women to serve men. The intent is to create a space for women who choose

to be supportive to these men. One such thing is to take care of cookies and

yogi tea and whatever else that can be created for once the yoga and

meditations are completed.

 

 

 

The reverse can easily happen for when women choose to practice by

themselves but would invite men who want to be supportive to bring them

cookies and yogi tea.

 

 

 

It is an opportunity to be a part of something bigger than oneself in

service, not in servitude.

 

 

 

Blessings,

 

Awtar

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Sat Nam Teresa and all others,

It's a pretty tough world out politically and socially.

Misunderstandings abound. And the truth is there are many levels of

abuse of women and nature by men and of young boys by their mothers,

just as well. This is just ONE reality, but not the only reality. Within

the Sikh Dharma community it is a well known dynamic (and a comic one)

that the day Khalsa Women's Training Camp (KWTC) officially begins, and

you're a guy, you had better become invisible real quick, or if you are

needed for carpentry, plumbing or audio visual you need some pretty

special license to be around. As a matter of fact if you around a day

before!, you can count on getting the mean eye.

I think Karta Purkh's humor was "inside humor", pure and simple. Guys

and ladies around the Dharma get it an with a good heart, but as with

any humor timing is everything and he maybe could have picked a

different time and venue [insert crickets]. Im confident all the good he

does will outweigh this *perception* of gender insensitivity. Anytime

men can get together, in peace, and address their needs as human beings,

and not machines, it's a good thing.

Heck, I remember the way Rolling Thunder (my first teacher) and

Elizabeth Kubler Ross used to talk to each other. They were great

friends and within that relationship there was enough depth and a bond

that they could just let their real sides just hang out. You wouldn't

believe how they talked to each other, it was like sailers in a bar. It

was not at all spiritually correct.....let me put it that way.

We are way too PC for our own good and take ourselves waaay too

seriously. Lets strive for that same depth and honesty in our

interactions and relationships despite all the chaos and fear.

 

Making less strangers,

Dharam (born on a New Moon)

Millis, MA

 

"Humility, truth and humor are the real power"

Gary Snyder

 

Sendag (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

 

>Sat Nam all

>This new Moon thing bothers me. Since when are women relegated to

>servitude. What a condescending and backward move that it. I do not think it

>belongs in KY but I want to hear from Dharam and Awtar and what there views are on

>this.

>Teresa

>

>

>

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Sat Nam Dharam

I knew you would come in as the voice of reason. I guess I have a personal

issue with servitude and yes, we are often too PC directed. I just could not

imagine anyone being truly insensitive in this KY program so your answer

enlightened and cautioned re too much PC sensitivity.

Thanks so much......Dry humor is often misunderstood.

Teresa

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Sat Nam!

Yes, New Moon tonight! New Moon; New Beginnings.

I will be doing meditation of my own with intention that we all raise our conciousness and bring balance to the masculine and feminine energy within each of us.

kind regards,

Diana Bellucci, San Diego

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." ~Theodore Seuss Geisel (aka. Dr. Seuss)

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Sat Nam Awtar

I won't be getting my dander up after these explanations. It made me find

out that "servitude" is a sore point for me and it is very personal.

Thanks to you and Dharam for straightening me out. And I do sign out

Lovingly

Teresa

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Sat Nam Friends,

This has been an interesting topic. In respect to women serving men,

there isn't anything wrong with this just as it doesn't besmirch a man

to serve a woman. For me, it is subservience that is the issue

especially when it is based on gender.

I smiled at Karta Purkh S Khalsa's post and felt no disrespect. If I

was ever asked to "serve" as in be subservient, I'd leave those

gentlemen wondering if it was safe to eat the cookies and drink the

tea. Nothing like planting the seed....:>)

Sat Nam and SMILE!!!

In light and laughter,

Sat Sangat

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It was not so innocent, the averted eye tea and cookie serving was a

give away! But we are in high spirits and can love-

Your wife must keep you in tow for such a thought to have taken shape

hahahahahah

Sat Nam Loved Being>

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Sat Nam Ranjit

Very well spoken about the New Moon Tonight. I know we suffer from too much

political correctness but why add an insult without the nay saying of harm.

Whether it was dry humor or subclinical

negativity toward women does not matter; it does not belong on this site.

Lovingly

Teresa

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I do not understand why a woman serving cookies and tea to a man is consider servitude.

To serve freely those you admire, respect or love is not servitude.

 

Grant us an understanding heart,

Equal vision, balanced mind,

Faith, devotion and wisdom.

Grant us inner spiritual strength

To resist temptation and to control the mind.

Free us from egoism, lust, greed, hatred, anger and jealousy.

Fill our hearts with divine virtues.

Universal Prayer by Sri Swami Sivananda

 

Respectfully, Laura

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In some of the 3HO ashrams in the early 1970's, unmarried men and women

were paired up on a rotating monthly basis to serve each other. Is it

an insult to ask the women to serve the men in order to facilitate the

men's special meditation event if the men are willing to do the same for

the women when they have theirs. When men and women serve each other,

is it demeaning to one or the other? Wouldn't the practice of such

humility and selfless service be beneficial to all concerned.

 

Steve Porter

 

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Sat Nam,

 

This is a powerful weekend, with a New Moon, solar eclipse and Jupiter

squaring Neptune tomorrow. I have just sent out a New Millennium Being

explaining the nature of the transformation that we are experiencing. It

will put into perspective some of these discussions -- anger, releasing old

belief systems, etc.

 

The new edition of my book THE DESTINY OF WOMEN IS THE DESTINY OF THE WORLD

is going to press early next week and will be available in November. This

book will certainly bring clarity to some of the issues we have been

discussing.

 

Many blessings,

 

Gururattana

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