Inappropriate question or simply inappropriate moment?

[Guest guest]

Forum Members,

 

Perhaps I am raising an issue that is too soon after the latest skid-

row that we have witnessed, experienced or just ran away into hiding

from!

 

Having labelled numerous times as arrogant, insensitive, sarcastic,

and labels far worse than those, perhaps I am the right person to

raise this issue on this forum that I love and that I have publicly

called home, barely weeks earlier! Sorry if I am mauling your

sensitivities and personal angst in these *difficult* times, folks!

 

As contemporary jyotishis that provoke go, Mr. K.N. Rao for sure

takes the cake! There is a certain intensity, a certain light, a

certain martian edge to his statements that individuals may not like

but CANNOT ignore! It is the sharp edge of a surgeon who gives the

impression that he knows what he is doing and what he is cutting, so

just lie still and you will someday thank him! Maybe, I am being a

bit melodramatic. But have you 'studied' what he has written? Don't

jump in too quickly and hit the REPLY button here, folks!

 

However, even in his many writings on karma and reincarnation (books

and articles and forum messages), he has not touched upon one aspect.

Now, I have no doubt that a Doyen of his prowess knows this as

directly as the back of his hand as the expression goes, but he has

not expressed this, as far as I know. Please correct me if you know

otherwise!

 

ARE all participants on this forum know for sure what religion they

will be born in next time? ASSUMING that we have a human birth the

next time?

 

I personally don't!

 

RR

[Guest guest]

With due respect, why is it important to know that, Sir?

 

Regards,

Nandini.

 

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Forum Members,

>

> Perhaps I am raising an issue that is too soon after the latest

skid-

> row that we have witnessed, experienced or just ran away into

hiding

> from!

>

> Having labelled numerous times as arrogant, insensitive,

sarcastic,

> and labels far worse than those, perhaps I am the right person to

> raise this issue on this forum that I love and that I have

publicly

> called home, barely weeks earlier! Sorry if I am mauling your

> sensitivities and personal angst in these *difficult* times, folks!

>

> As contemporary jyotishis that provoke go, Mr. K.N. Rao for sure

> takes the cake! There is a certain intensity, a certain light, a

> certain martian edge to his statements that individuals may not

like

> but CANNOT ignore! It is the sharp edge of a surgeon who gives the

> impression that he knows what he is doing and what he is cutting,

so

> just lie still and you will someday thank him! Maybe, I am being a

> bit melodramatic. But have you 'studied' what he has written?

Don't

> jump in too quickly and hit the REPLY button here, folks!

>

> However, even in his many writings on karma and reincarnation

(books

> and articles and forum messages), he has not touched upon one

aspect.

> Now, I have no doubt that a Doyen of his prowess knows this as

> directly as the back of his hand as the expression goes, but he

has

> not expressed this, as far as I know. Please correct me if you

know

> otherwise!

>

> ARE all participants on this forum know for sure what religion

they

> will be born in next time? ASSUMING that we have a human birth the

> next time?

>

> I personally don't!

>

> RR

>

[Guest guest]

Nandini ji,

 

Because going into a required 'course' which the "Curriculum" demands

with preconceived negativity and no direct experience may not be the

best strategy for a beginner student! I am assuming you are one, like

me, as far as religions go? Perhaps I spoke way out of line! My

apologies in that case.

 

How can I criticise and put down 'Psychology' when I have not

experienced it and am just beginning to learn the pure science of

Physics, let us say, for example!

 

, "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo

wrote:

>

> With due respect, why is it important to know that, Sir?

>

> Regards,

> Nandini.

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Forum Members,

> >

> > Perhaps I am raising an issue that is too soon after the latest

> skid-

> > row that we have witnessed, experienced or just ran away into

> hiding

> > from!

> >

> > Having labelled numerous times as arrogant, insensitive,

> sarcastic,

> > and labels far worse than those, perhaps I am the right person to

> > raise this issue on this forum that I love and that I have

> publicly

> > called home, barely weeks earlier! Sorry if I am mauling your

> > sensitivities and personal angst in these *difficult* times,

folks!

> >

> > As contemporary jyotishis that provoke go, Mr. K.N. Rao for sure

> > takes the cake! There is a certain intensity, a certain light, a

> > certain martian edge to his statements that individuals may not

> like

> > but CANNOT ignore! It is the sharp edge of a surgeon who gives

the

> > impression that he knows what he is doing and what he is cutting,

> so

> > just lie still and you will someday thank him! Maybe, I am being

a

> > bit melodramatic. But have you 'studied' what he has written?

> Don't

> > jump in too quickly and hit the REPLY button here, folks!

> >

> > However, even in his many writings on karma and reincarnation

> (books

> > and articles and forum messages), he has not touched upon one

> aspect.

> > Now, I have no doubt that a Doyen of his prowess knows this as

> > directly as the back of his hand as the expression goes, but he

> has

> > not expressed this, as far as I know. Please correct me if you

> know

> > otherwise!

> >

> > ARE all participants on this forum know for sure what religion

> they

> > will be born in next time? ASSUMING that we have a human birth

the

> > next time?

> >

> > I personally don't!

> >

> > RR

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Experiencing different religions DIRECTLY before forming a final

opinion was what I was talking about. Not being a teacher, I am often

not clear! Having reminded of that, I am trying hard to improve!

 

RR

 

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Nandini ji,

>

> Because going into a required 'course' which the "Curriculum"

demands

> with preconceived negativity and no direct experience may not be

the

> best strategy for a beginner student! I am assuming you are one,

like

> me, as far as religions go? Perhaps I spoke way out of line! My

> apologies in that case.

>

> How can I criticise and put down 'Psychology' when I have not

> experienced it and am just beginning to learn the pure science of

> Physics, let us say, for example!

>

> , "kakan_leo" <kakan_leo@>

> wrote:

> >

> > With due respect, why is it important to know that, Sir?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Nandini.

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Forum Members,

> > >

> > > Perhaps I am raising an issue that is too soon after the latest

> > skid-

> > > row that we have witnessed, experienced or just ran away into

> > hiding

> > > from!

> > >

> > > Having labelled numerous times as arrogant, insensitive,

> > sarcastic,

> > > and labels far worse than those, perhaps I am the right person

to

> > > raise this issue on this forum that I love and that I have

> > publicly

> > > called home, barely weeks earlier! Sorry if I am mauling your

> > > sensitivities and personal angst in these *difficult* times,

> folks!

> > >

> > > As contemporary jyotishis that provoke go, Mr. K.N. Rao for

sure

> > > takes the cake! There is a certain intensity, a certain light,

a

> > > certain martian edge to his statements that individuals may not

> > like

> > > but CANNOT ignore! It is the sharp edge of a surgeon who gives

> the

> > > impression that he knows what he is doing and what he is

cutting,

> > so

> > > just lie still and you will someday thank him! Maybe, I am

being

> a

> > > bit melodramatic. But have you 'studied' what he has written?

> > Don't

> > > jump in too quickly and hit the REPLY button here, folks!

> > >

> > > However, even in his many writings on karma and reincarnation

> > (books

> > > and articles and forum messages), he has not touched upon one

> > aspect.

> > > Now, I have no doubt that a Doyen of his prowess knows this as

> > > directly as the back of his hand as the expression goes, but he

> > has

> > > not expressed this, as far as I know. Please correct me if you

> > know

> > > otherwise!

> > >

> > > ARE all participants on this forum know for sure what religion

> > they

> > > will be born in next time? ASSUMING that we have a human birth

> the

> > > next time?

> > >

> > > I personally don't!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear RRji,

Perhaps I am making an observation at an inappropriate time?

I do not believe that I can be born into a religion, It is what I

practise, have faith in, that becomes my religion. I can have more

than one religion. Religion is not something we fill up in forms for

whatever purpose. I might want to take the essence of each

religion , for in essence they are all the same. It is we , the

practicers who attribute *colours* to each and every religion.

The basic need in every individual to *convert* others into his

faith is what causes the rampant confusion and ensuing hell

thereafter. Can we not appreciate what is in others without becoming

They or them. Can I not appreciate and worship the Love of Jesus

christ without becoming a christian. Can I not take the name of the

Ever merciful Allah without embracing Islam. Why I love Hinduism, I

wouldnot forsake it.

Any relationship is strong, be it between individuals, religions

etc.only when the persons in the relationship are strong, in their

faith , principles, beliefs and actions.When one in a relationship

bends backwards to appease the other, it no longer is strong or

healthy and is a No No and certainly a Yo-Yo.It can never flourish

or be nourished.

Religion by itself has no ideology it is what is attributed by

various people *practising* it. Various observations of individuals

can certainly appear to be coloured on the face of it and also in

the heat of the moment, but viewed later and after a thought might

be perceived differently.An individual can have various such

perceptions, outbursts which of course depends on his/her state of

maturity, which again can never be constant. People considered very

rational, mature and levelheaded have been known to make irrational

and very emotional statements. Each individual however,mature level

headed has an emotional side to her/him, they cannot be human

otherwise. Again,If we always are brash, irrational without the

quintessential 'Viveka' so unique to us can we be far removed from

the non-humans?

Every individual needs to cherish and nourish the goodness of every

religion -that is to say the religion itself as evry religion has

nothing but goodness. To nourish and cherish is not to visit every

temple, dargah or church but appreciate their flavour,fervour.

That is what is called a genuine prayer.

 

Nalini

 

 

 

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Forum Members,

>

> Perhaps I am raising an issue that is too soon after the latest

skid-

> row that we have witnessed, experienced or just ran away into

hiding

> from!

>

> Having labelled numerous times as arrogant, insensitive,

sarcastic,

> and labels far worse than those, perhaps I am the right person to

> raise this issue on this forum that I love and that I have

publicly

> called home, barely weeks earlier! Sorry if I am mauling your

> sensitivities and personal angst in these *difficult* times, folks!

>

> As contemporary jyotishis that provoke go, Mr. K.N. Rao for sure

> takes the cake! There is a certain intensity, a certain light, a

> certain martian edge to his statements that individuals may not

like

> but CANNOT ignore! It is the sharp edge of a surgeon who gives the

> impression that he knows what he is doing and what he is cutting,

so

> just lie still and you will someday thank him! Maybe, I am being a

> bit melodramatic. But have you 'studied' what he has written?

Don't

> jump in too quickly and hit the REPLY button here, folks!

>

> However, even in his many writings on karma and reincarnation

(books

> and articles and forum messages), he has not touched upon one

aspect.

> Now, I have no doubt that a Doyen of his prowess knows this as

> directly as the back of his hand as the expression goes, but he

has

> not expressed this, as far as I know. Please correct me if you

know

> otherwise!

>

> ARE all participants on this forum know for sure what religion

they

> will be born in next time? ASSUMING that we have a human birth the

> next time?

>

> I personally don't!

>

> RR

>

[Guest guest]

Dear RRji,

Perhaps I am making an observation at an inappropriate time?

I do not believe that I can be born into a religion, It is what I

practise, have faith in, that becomes my religion. I can have more

than one religion. Religion is not something we fill up in forms for

whatever purpose. I might want to take the essence of each

religion , for in essence they are all the same. It is we , the

practicers who attribute *colours* to each and every religion.

The basic need in every individual to *convert* others into his

faith is what causes the rampant confusion and ensuing hell

thereafter. Can we not appreciate what is in others without becoming

They or them. Can I not appreciate and worship the Love of Jesus

christ without becoming a christian. Can I not take the name of the

Ever merciful Allah without embracing Islam. Why I love Hinduism, I

wouldnot forsake it.

Any relationship is strong, be it between individuals, religions

etc.only when the persons in the relationship are strong, in their

faith , principles, beliefs and actions.When one in a relationship

bends backwards to appease the other, it no longer is strong or

healthy and is a No No and certainly a Yo-Yo.It can never flourish

or be nourished.

Religion by itself has no ideology it is what is attributed by

various people *practising* it. Various observations of individuals

can certainly appear to be coloured on the face of it and also in

the heat of the moment, but viewed later and after a thought might

be perceived differently.An individual can have various such

perceptions, outbursts which of course depends on his/her state of

maturity, which again can never be constant. People considered very

rational, mature and levelheaded have been known to make irrational

and very emotional statements. Each individual however,mature level

headed has an emotional side to her/him, they cannot be human

otherwise. Again,If we always are brash, irrational without the

quintessential 'Viveka' so unique to us can we be far removed from

the non-humans?

Every individual needs to cherish and nourish the goodness of every

religion -that is to say the religion itself as evry religion has

nothing but goodness. To nourish and cherish is not to visit every

temple, dargah or church but appreciate their flavour,fervour.

That is what is called a genuine prayer.

 

Nalini

 

 

 

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Forum Members,

>

> Perhaps I am raising an issue that is too soon after the latest

skid-

> row that we have witnessed, experienced or just ran away into

hiding

> from!

>

> Having labelled numerous times as arrogant, insensitive,

sarcastic,

> and labels far worse than those, perhaps I am the right person to

> raise this issue on this forum that I love and that I have

publicly

> called home, barely weeks earlier! Sorry if I am mauling your

> sensitivities and personal angst in these *difficult* times, folks!

>

> As contemporary jyotishis that provoke go, Mr. K.N. Rao for sure

> takes the cake! There is a certain intensity, a certain light, a

> certain martian edge to his statements that individuals may not

like

> but CANNOT ignore! It is the sharp edge of a surgeon who gives the

> impression that he knows what he is doing and what he is cutting,

so

> just lie still and you will someday thank him! Maybe, I am being a

> bit melodramatic. But have you 'studied' what he has written?

Don't

> jump in too quickly and hit the REPLY button here, folks!

>

> However, even in his many writings on karma and reincarnation

(books

> and articles and forum messages), he has not touched upon one

aspect.

> Now, I have no doubt that a Doyen of his prowess knows this as

> directly as the back of his hand as the expression goes, but he

has

> not expressed this, as far as I know. Please correct me if you

know

> otherwise!

>

> ARE all participants on this forum know for sure what religion

they

> will be born in next time? ASSUMING that we have a human birth the

> next time?

>

> I personally don't!

>

> RR

>

[Guest guest]

Madam,

 

Perhaps I shall be taken to task again for writing prose and poetry

instead of astrology but reading your post brought me to this written

a while ago -- perhaps about religion, perhaps about spiritually or

as really happens, a moment of discomfiture that is just about

learning for one or more:

 

RAINBOWS ALWAYS HAVE A PAST

 

Rainbows make my heart so sad

I know that'll make you wonder why

I try to see the beautiful sight

All I remember are clouds so dark

that wiped the virgin blue off the sky

that squelched the golden sun away,

brought this lightning bright and harsh

that burned a gaping hole in my heart.

And the torrents that washed the fields away

that tore the bridge that joined those two

and yet they call it a symbol of love

Can this really be Cupid's bow?

I wish my heart could sing with joy

I wish I could dance with the rest of you

as you sing its glory bright

and wrapped in its magnificient colors

you feel your souls rising in hope

as children look up in curious glee

my heart just sinks and sobs its tears

I love the sight of a rainbow bright

But can I forget the storm in its past.

 

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> Dear RRji,

> Perhaps I am making an observation at an inappropriate time?

> I do not believe that I can be born into a religion, It is what I

> practise, have faith in, that becomes my religion. I can have more

> than one religion. Religion is not something we fill up in forms

for

> whatever purpose. I might want to take the essence of each

> religion , for in essence they are all the same. It is we , the

> practicers who attribute *colours* to each and every religion.

> The basic need in every individual to *convert* others into his

> faith is what causes the rampant confusion and ensuing hell

> thereafter. Can we not appreciate what is in others without

becoming

> They or them. Can I not appreciate and worship the Love of Jesus

> christ without becoming a christian. Can I not take the name of the

> Ever merciful Allah without embracing Islam. Why I love Hinduism, I

> wouldnot forsake it.

> Any relationship is strong, be it between individuals, religions

> etc.only when the persons in the relationship are strong, in their

> faith , principles, beliefs and actions.When one in a relationship

> bends backwards to appease the other, it no longer is strong or

> healthy and is a No No and certainly a Yo-Yo.It can never flourish

> or be nourished.

> Religion by itself has no ideology it is what is attributed by

> various people *practising* it. Various observations of individuals

> can certainly appear to be coloured on the face of it and also in

> the heat of the moment, but viewed later and after a thought might

> be perceived differently.An individual can have various such

> perceptions, outbursts which of course depends on his/her state of

> maturity, which again can never be constant. People considered very

> rational, mature and levelheaded have been known to make irrational

> and very emotional statements. Each individual however,mature level

> headed has an emotional side to her/him, they cannot be human

> otherwise. Again,If we always are brash, irrational without the

> quintessential 'Viveka' so unique to us can we be far removed from

> the non-humans?

> Every individual needs to cherish and nourish the goodness of

every

> religion -that is to say the religion itself as evry religion has

> nothing but goodness. To nourish and cherish is not to visit every

> temple, dargah or church but appreciate their flavour,fervour.

> That is what is called a genuine prayer.

>

> Nalini

>

>

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Forum Members,

> >

> > Perhaps I am raising an issue that is too soon after the latest

> skid-

> > row that we have witnessed, experienced or just ran away into

> hiding

> > from!

> >

> > Having labelled numerous times as arrogant, insensitive,

> sarcastic,

> > and labels far worse than those, perhaps I am the right person to

> > raise this issue on this forum that I love and that I have

> publicly

> > called home, barely weeks earlier! Sorry if I am mauling your

> > sensitivities and personal angst in these *difficult* times,

folks!

> >

> > As contemporary jyotishis that provoke go, Mr. K.N. Rao for sure

> > takes the cake! There is a certain intensity, a certain light, a

> > certain martian edge to his statements that individuals may not

> like

> > but CANNOT ignore! It is the sharp edge of a surgeon who gives

the

> > impression that he knows what he is doing and what he is cutting,

> so

> > just lie still and you will someday thank him! Maybe, I am being

a

> > bit melodramatic. But have you 'studied' what he has written?

> Don't

> > jump in too quickly and hit the REPLY button here, folks!

> >

> > However, even in his many writings on karma and reincarnation

> (books

> > and articles and forum messages), he has not touched upon one

> aspect.

> > Now, I have no doubt that a Doyen of his prowess knows this as

> > directly as the back of his hand as the expression goes, but he

> has

> > not expressed this, as far as I know. Please correct me if you

> know

> > otherwise!

> >

> > ARE all participants on this forum know for sure what religion

> they

> > will be born in next time? ASSUMING that we have a human birth

the

> > next time?

> >

> > I personally don't!

> >

> > RR

> >

>

[Guest guest]

This is duplicate -- you may wish to delete it :-)

 

RR

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> Dear RRji,

> Perhaps I am making an observation at an inappropriate time?

> I do not believe that I can be born into a religion, It is what I

> practise, have faith in, that becomes my religion. I can have more

> than one religion. Religion is not something we fill up in forms

for

> whatever purpose. I might want to take the essence of each

> religion , for in essence they are all the same. It is we , the

> practicers who attribute *colours* to each and every religion.

> The basic need in every individual to *convert* others into his

> faith is what causes the rampant confusion and ensuing hell

> thereafter. Can we not appreciate what is in others without

becoming

> They or them. Can I not appreciate and worship the Love of Jesus

> christ without becoming a christian. Can I not take the name of the

> Ever merciful Allah without embracing Islam. Why I love Hinduism, I

> wouldnot forsake it.

> Any relationship is strong, be it between individuals, religions

> etc.only when the persons in the relationship are strong, in their

> faith , principles, beliefs and actions.When one in a relationship

> bends backwards to appease the other, it no longer is strong or

> healthy and is a No No and certainly a Yo-Yo.It can never flourish

> or be nourished.

> Religion by itself has no ideology it is what is attributed by

> various people *practising* it. Various observations of individuals

> can certainly appear to be coloured on the face of it and also in

> the heat of the moment, but viewed later and after a thought might

> be perceived differently.An individual can have various such

> perceptions, outbursts which of course depends on his/her state of

> maturity, which again can never be constant. People considered very

> rational, mature and levelheaded have been known to make irrational

> and very emotional statements. Each individual however,mature level

> headed has an emotional side to her/him, they cannot be human

> otherwise. Again,If we always are brash, irrational without the

> quintessential 'Viveka' so unique to us can we be far removed from

> the non-humans?

> Every individual needs to cherish and nourish the goodness of

every

> religion -that is to say the religion itself as evry religion has

> nothing but goodness. To nourish and cherish is not to visit every

> temple, dargah or church but appreciate their flavour,fervour.

> That is what is called a genuine prayer.

>

> Nalini

>

>

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Forum Members,

> >

> > Perhaps I am raising an issue that is too soon after the latest

> skid-

> > row that we have witnessed, experienced or just ran away into

> hiding

> > from!

> >

> > Having labelled numerous times as arrogant, insensitive,

> sarcastic,

> > and labels far worse than those, perhaps I am the right person to

> > raise this issue on this forum that I love and that I have

> publicly

> > called home, barely weeks earlier! Sorry if I am mauling your

> > sensitivities and personal angst in these *difficult* times,

folks!

> >

> > As contemporary jyotishis that provoke go, Mr. K.N. Rao for sure

> > takes the cake! There is a certain intensity, a certain light, a

> > certain martian edge to his statements that individuals may not

> like

> > but CANNOT ignore! It is the sharp edge of a surgeon who gives

the

> > impression that he knows what he is doing and what he is cutting,

> so

> > just lie still and you will someday thank him! Maybe, I am being

a

> > bit melodramatic. But have you 'studied' what he has written?

> Don't

> > jump in too quickly and hit the REPLY button here, folks!

> >

> > However, even in his many writings on karma and reincarnation

> (books

> > and articles and forum messages), he has not touched upon one

> aspect.

> > Now, I have no doubt that a Doyen of his prowess knows this as

> > directly as the back of his hand as the expression goes, but he

> has

> > not expressed this, as far as I know. Please correct me if you

> know

> > otherwise!

> >

> > ARE all participants on this forum know for sure what religion

> they

> > will be born in next time? ASSUMING that we have a human birth

the

> > next time?

> >

> > I personally don't!

> >

> > RR

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Rainbows, a function of time, isn't it, sir?

And perhaps are sent to remind us that when sunshine is taken away if

one has the strength to see through the storm , sunshine will return,

often heralded by a rainbow.

I saw two perfect ones ony of late. But difficult to handle, these

rainbows, they are temperamental!

Will try to cast a prasna chart and analyse!!

rishi

 

 

 

 

 

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Madam,

>

> Perhaps I shall be taken to task again for writing prose and poetry

> instead of astrology but reading your post brought me to this

written

> a while ago -- perhaps about religion, perhaps about spiritually or

> as really happens, a moment of discomfiture that is just about

> learning for one or more:

>

> RAINBOWS ALWAYS HAVE A PAST

>

> Rainbows make my heart so sad

> I know that'll make you wonder why

> I try to see the beautiful sight

> All I remember are clouds so dark

> that wiped the virgin blue off the sky

> that squelched the golden sun away,

> brought this lightning bright and harsh

> that burned a gaping hole in my heart.

> And the torrents that washed the fields away

> that tore the bridge that joined those two

> and yet they call it a symbol of love

> Can this really be Cupid's bow?

> I wish my heart could sing with joy

> I wish I could dance with the rest of you

> as you sing its glory bright

> and wrapped in its magnificient colors

> you feel your souls rising in hope

> as children look up in curious glee

> my heart just sinks and sobs its tears

> I love the sight of a rainbow bright

> But can I forget the storm in its past.

>

>

> , "auromirra19"

> <nalini2818@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RRji,

> > Perhaps I am making an observation at an inappropriate time?

> > I do not believe that I can be born into a religion, It is what I

> > practise, have faith in, that becomes my religion. I can have

more

> > than one religion. Religion is not something we fill up in forms

> for

> > whatever purpose. I might want to take the essence of each

> > religion , for in essence they are all the same. It is we , the

> > practicers who attribute *colours* to each and every religion.

> > The basic need in every individual to *convert* others into his

> > faith is what causes the rampant confusion and ensuing hell

> > thereafter. Can we not appreciate what is in others without

> becoming

> > They or them. Can I not appreciate and worship the Love of Jesus

> > christ without becoming a christian. Can I not take the name of

the

> > Ever merciful Allah without embracing Islam. Why I love Hinduism,

I

> > wouldnot forsake it.

> > Any relationship is strong, be it between individuals, religions

> > etc.only when the persons in the relationship are strong, in

their

> > faith , principles, beliefs and actions.When one in a

relationship

> > bends backwards to appease the other, it no longer is strong or

> > healthy and is a No No and certainly a Yo-Yo.It can never

flourish

> > or be nourished.

> > Religion by itself has no ideology it is what is attributed by

> > various people *practising* it. Various observations of

individuals

> > can certainly appear to be coloured on the face of it and also in

> > the heat of the moment, but viewed later and after a thought

might

> > be perceived differently.An individual can have various such

> > perceptions, outbursts which of course depends on his/her state

of

> > maturity, which again can never be constant. People considered

very

> > rational, mature and levelheaded have been known to make

irrational

> > and very emotional statements. Each individual however,mature

level

> > headed has an emotional side to her/him, they cannot be human

> > otherwise. Again,If we always are brash, irrational without the

> > quintessential 'Viveka' so unique to us can we be far removed

from

> > the non-humans?

> > Every individual needs to cherish and nourish the goodness of

> every

> > religion -that is to say the religion itself as evry religion has

> > nothing but goodness. To nourish and cherish is not to visit

every

> > temple, dargah or church but appreciate their flavour,fervour.

> > That is what is called a genuine prayer.

> >

> > Nalini

> >

> >

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Forum Members,

> > >

> > > Perhaps I am raising an issue that is too soon after the latest

> > skid-

> > > row that we have witnessed, experienced or just ran away into

> > hiding

> > > from!

> > >

> > > Having labelled numerous times as arrogant, insensitive,

> > sarcastic,

> > > and labels far worse than those, perhaps I am the right person

to

> > > raise this issue on this forum that I love and that I have

> > publicly

> > > called home, barely weeks earlier! Sorry if I am mauling your

> > > sensitivities and personal angst in these *difficult* times,

> folks!

> > >

> > > As contemporary jyotishis that provoke go, Mr. K.N. Rao for

sure

> > > takes the cake! There is a certain intensity, a certain light,

a

> > > certain martian edge to his statements that individuals may not

> > like

> > > but CANNOT ignore! It is the sharp edge of a surgeon who gives

> the

> > > impression that he knows what he is doing and what he is

cutting,

> > so

> > > just lie still and you will someday thank him! Maybe, I am

being

> a

> > > bit melodramatic. But have you 'studied' what he has written?

> > Don't

> > > jump in too quickly and hit the REPLY button here, folks!

> > >

> > > However, even in his many writings on karma and reincarnation

> > (books

> > > and articles and forum messages), he has not touched upon one

> > aspect.

> > > Now, I have no doubt that a Doyen of his prowess knows this as

> > > directly as the back of his hand as the expression goes, but he

> > has

> > > not expressed this, as far as I know. Please correct me if you

> > know

> > > otherwise!

> > >

> > > ARE all participants on this forum know for sure what religion

> > they

> > > will be born in next time? ASSUMING that we have a human birth

> the

> > > next time?

> > >

> > > I personally don't!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

You write beautiful verse, let the world say what it will!!!

It is heart wrenching but true, dont you think, both the *black*

storm and *coloured* rainbow. are reality, the aftermath of turmoil

and the resultant exhultation.But really sir, how many look past the

rainbow which has in its advent the sowings of blackness, another

blackness, inevitable and man-made(?).

The eternal optimist in me always looks into the rainbow glad that

the worst is over, the black transmuted into brilliant colour

irradiating the newly awash golden skies.

I would face the black storm again, the torrents, the tearing up of

the sky , for the rainbow.

The succor it gives me, the gaze into its luminous beauty is enough

for me to travel thorough the blackest of the storms.

Regards

Nalini

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Madam,

>

> Perhaps I shall be taken to task again for writing prose and

poetry

> instead of astrology but reading your post brought me to this

written

> a while ago -- perhaps about religion, perhaps about spiritually

or

> as really happens, a moment of discomfiture that is just about

> learning for one or more:

>

> RAINBOWS ALWAYS HAVE A PAST

>

> Rainbows make my heart so sad

> I know that'll make you wonder why

> I try to see the beautiful sight

> All I remember are clouds so dark

> that wiped the virgin blue off the sky

> that squelched the golden sun away,

> brought this lightning bright and harsh

> that burned a gaping hole in my heart.

> And the torrents that washed the fields away

> that tore the bridge that joined those two

> and yet they call it a symbol of love

> Can this really be Cupid's bow?

> I wish my heart could sing with joy

> I wish I could dance with the rest of you

> as you sing its glory bright

> and wrapped in its magnificient colors

> you feel your souls rising in hope

> as children look up in curious glee

> my heart just sinks and sobs its tears

> I love the sight of a rainbow bright

> But can I forget the storm in its past.

>

>

> , "auromirra19"

> <nalini2818@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RRji,

> > Perhaps I am making an observation at an inappropriate time?

> > I do not believe that I can be born into a religion, It is what

I

> > practise, have faith in, that becomes my religion. I can have

more

> > than one religion. Religion is not something we fill up in forms

> for

> > whatever purpose. I might want to take the essence of each

> > religion , for in essence they are all the same. It is we , the

> > practicers who attribute *colours* to each and every religion.

> > The basic need in every individual to *convert* others into his

> > faith is what causes the rampant confusion and ensuing hell

> > thereafter. Can we not appreciate what is in others without

> becoming

> > They or them. Can I not appreciate and worship the Love of Jesus

> > christ without becoming a christian. Can I not take the name of

the

> > Ever merciful Allah without embracing Islam. Why I love

Hinduism, I

> > wouldnot forsake it.

> > Any relationship is strong, be it between individuals, religions

> > etc.only when the persons in the relationship are strong, in

their

> > faith , principles, beliefs and actions.When one in a

relationship

> > bends backwards to appease the other, it no longer is strong or

> > healthy and is a No No and certainly a Yo-Yo.It can never

flourish

> > or be nourished.

> > Religion by itself has no ideology it is what is attributed by

> > various people *practising* it. Various observations of

individuals

> > can certainly appear to be coloured on the face of it and also

in

> > the heat of the moment, but viewed later and after a thought

might

> > be perceived differently.An individual can have various such

> > perceptions, outbursts which of course depends on his/her state

of

> > maturity, which again can never be constant. People considered

very

> > rational, mature and levelheaded have been known to make

irrational

> > and very emotional statements. Each individual however,mature

level

> > headed has an emotional side to her/him, they cannot be human

> > otherwise. Again,If we always are brash, irrational without the

> > quintessential 'Viveka' so unique to us can we be far removed

from

> > the non-humans?

> > Every individual needs to cherish and nourish the goodness of

> every

> > religion -that is to say the religion itself as evry religion

has

> > nothing but goodness. To nourish and cherish is not to visit

every

> > temple, dargah or church but appreciate their flavour,fervour.

> > That is what is called a genuine prayer.

> >

> > Nalini

> >

> >

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Forum Members,

> > >

> > > Perhaps I am raising an issue that is too soon after the

latest

> > skid-

> > > row that we have witnessed, experienced or just ran away into

> > hiding

> > > from!

> > >

> > > Having labelled numerous times as arrogant, insensitive,

> > sarcastic,

> > > and labels far worse than those, perhaps I am the right person

to

> > > raise this issue on this forum that I love and that I have

> > publicly

> > > called home, barely weeks earlier! Sorry if I am mauling your

> > > sensitivities and personal angst in these *difficult* times,

> folks!

> > >

> > > As contemporary jyotishis that provoke go, Mr. K.N. Rao for

sure

> > > takes the cake! There is a certain intensity, a certain light,

a

> > > certain martian edge to his statements that individuals may

not

> > like

> > > but CANNOT ignore! It is the sharp edge of a surgeon who gives

> the

> > > impression that he knows what he is doing and what he is

cutting,

> > so

> > > just lie still and you will someday thank him! Maybe, I am

being

> a

> > > bit melodramatic. But have you 'studied' what he has written?

> > Don't

> > > jump in too quickly and hit the REPLY button here, folks!

> > >

> > > However, even in his many writings on karma and reincarnation

> > (books

> > > and articles and forum messages), he has not touched upon one

> > aspect.

> > > Now, I have no doubt that a Doyen of his prowess knows this as

> > > directly as the back of his hand as the expression goes, but

he

> > has

> > > not expressed this, as far as I know. Please correct me if you

> > know

> > > otherwise!

> > >

> > > ARE all participants on this forum know for sure what religion

> > they

> > > will be born in next time? ASSUMING that we have a human birth

> the

> > > next time?

> > >

> > > I personally don't!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

A nice post from Mrs.Nalini. we can add 'helping the

needy is service to God of all religions". I also add

a few lines taken from wikipedia.

 

Religion is a system of social coherence based on a

common group of beliefs or attitudes concerning an

object, person, unseen being, or system of thought

considered to be supernatural, sacred, divine or

highest truth, and the moral codes, practices, values,

institutions, and rituals associated with such belief

or system of thought. It is sometimes used

interchangeably with "faith" or "belief system"[1],

but is more socially defined than that of personal

convictions.

 

The development of religion has taken many forms in

various cultures. "Organized religion" generally

refers to an organization of people supporting the

exercise of some religion with a prescribed set of

beliefs, often taking the form of a legal entity (see

religion-supporting organization). Other religions

believe in personal revelation and responsibility.

 

 

 

with good wishes,

k.gopu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

You seem to have the answer already!

Why the prashna chart then ;-)

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Rainbows, a function of time, isn't it, sir?

> And perhaps are sent to remind us that when sunshine is taken away

if

> one has the strength to see through the storm , sunshine will

return,

> often heralded by a rainbow.

> I saw two perfect ones ony of late. But difficult to handle, these

> rainbows, they are temperamental!

> Will try to cast a prasna chart and analyse!!

> rishi

>

>

>

>

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Madam,

> >

> > Perhaps I shall be taken to task again for writing prose and

poetry

> > instead of astrology but reading your post brought me to this

> written

> > a while ago -- perhaps about religion, perhaps about spiritually

or

> > as really happens, a moment of discomfiture that is just about

> > learning for one or more:

> >

> > RAINBOWS ALWAYS HAVE A PAST

> >

> > Rainbows make my heart so sad

> > I know that'll make you wonder why

> > I try to see the beautiful sight

> > All I remember are clouds so dark

> > that wiped the virgin blue off the sky

> > that squelched the golden sun away,

> > brought this lightning bright and harsh

> > that burned a gaping hole in my heart.

> > And the torrents that washed the fields away

> > that tore the bridge that joined those two

> > and yet they call it a symbol of love

> > Can this really be Cupid's bow?

> > I wish my heart could sing with joy

> > I wish I could dance with the rest of you

> > as you sing its glory bright

> > and wrapped in its magnificient colors

> > you feel your souls rising in hope

> > as children look up in curious glee

> > my heart just sinks and sobs its tears

> > I love the sight of a rainbow bright

> > But can I forget the storm in its past.

> >

> >

> > , "auromirra19"

> > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RRji,

> > > Perhaps I am making an observation at an inappropriate time?

> > > I do not believe that I can be born into a religion, It is what

I

> > > practise, have faith in, that becomes my religion. I can have

> more

> > > than one religion. Religion is not something we fill up in

forms

> > for

> > > whatever purpose. I might want to take the essence of each

> > > religion , for in essence they are all the same. It is we , the

> > > practicers who attribute *colours* to each and every religion.

> > > The basic need in every individual to *convert* others into his

> > > faith is what causes the rampant confusion and ensuing hell

> > > thereafter. Can we not appreciate what is in others without

> > becoming

> > > They or them. Can I not appreciate and worship the Love of

Jesus

> > > christ without becoming a christian. Can I not take the name of

> the

> > > Ever merciful Allah without embracing Islam. Why I love

Hinduism,

> I

> > > wouldnot forsake it.

> > > Any relationship is strong, be it between individuals,

religions

> > > etc.only when the persons in the relationship are strong, in

> their

> > > faith , principles, beliefs and actions.When one in a

> relationship

> > > bends backwards to appease the other, it no longer is strong or

> > > healthy and is a No No and certainly a Yo-Yo.It can never

> flourish

> > > or be nourished.

> > > Religion by itself has no ideology it is what is attributed by

> > > various people *practising* it. Various observations of

> individuals

> > > can certainly appear to be coloured on the face of it and also

in

> > > the heat of the moment, but viewed later and after a thought

> might

> > > be perceived differently.An individual can have various such

> > > perceptions, outbursts which of course depends on his/her state

> of

> > > maturity, which again can never be constant. People considered

> very

> > > rational, mature and levelheaded have been known to make

> irrational

> > > and very emotional statements. Each individual however,mature

> level

> > > headed has an emotional side to her/him, they cannot be human

> > > otherwise. Again,If we always are brash, irrational without the

> > > quintessential 'Viveka' so unique to us can we be far removed

> from

> > > the non-humans?

> > > Every individual needs to cherish and nourish the goodness of

> > every

> > > religion -that is to say the religion itself as evry religion

has

> > > nothing but goodness. To nourish and cherish is not to visit

> every

> > > temple, dargah or church but appreciate their flavour,fervour.

> > > That is what is called a genuine prayer.

> > >

> > > Nalini

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Forum Members,

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps I am raising an issue that is too soon after the

latest

> > > skid-

> > > > row that we have witnessed, experienced or just ran away into

> > > hiding

> > > > from!

> > > >

> > > > Having labelled numerous times as arrogant, insensitive,

> > > sarcastic,

> > > > and labels far worse than those, perhaps I am the right

person

> to

> > > > raise this issue on this forum that I love and that I have

> > > publicly

> > > > called home, barely weeks earlier! Sorry if I am mauling your

> > > > sensitivities and personal angst in these *difficult* times,

> > folks!

> > > >

> > > > As contemporary jyotishis that provoke go, Mr. K.N. Rao for

> sure

> > > > takes the cake! There is a certain intensity, a certain

light,

> a

> > > > certain martian edge to his statements that individuals may

not

> > > like

> > > > but CANNOT ignore! It is the sharp edge of a surgeon who

gives

> > the

> > > > impression that he knows what he is doing and what he is

> cutting,

> > > so

> > > > just lie still and you will someday thank him! Maybe, I am

> being

> > a

> > > > bit melodramatic. But have you 'studied' what he has written?

> > > Don't

> > > > jump in too quickly and hit the REPLY button here, folks!

> > > >

> > > > However, even in his many writings on karma and reincarnation

> > > (books

> > > > and articles and forum messages), he has not touched upon one

> > > aspect.

> > > > Now, I have no doubt that a Doyen of his prowess knows this

as

> > > > directly as the back of his hand as the expression goes, but

he

> > > has

> > > > not expressed this, as far as I know. Please correct me if

you

> > > know

> > > > otherwise!

> > > >

> > > > ARE all participants on this forum know for sure what

religion

> > > they

> > > > will be born in next time? ASSUMING that we have a human

birth

> > the

> > > > next time?

> > > >

> > > > I personally don't!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Gopu ji,

 

Thank you, you handled the *job* better.

 

Nalini

, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:

>

> A nice post from Mrs.Nalini. we can add 'helping the

> needy is service to God of all religions". I also add

> a few lines taken from wikipedia.

>

> Religion is a system of social coherence based on a

> common group of beliefs or attitudes concerning an

> object, person, unseen being, or system of thought

> considered to be supernatural, sacred, divine or

> highest truth, and the moral codes, practices, values,

> institutions, and rituals associated with such belief

> or system of thought. It is sometimes used

> interchangeably with "faith" or "belief system"[1],

> but is more socially defined than that of personal

> convictions.

>

> The development of religion has taken many forms in

> various cultures. "Organized religion" generally

> refers to an organization of people supporting the

> exercise of some religion with a prescribed set of

> beliefs, often taking the form of a legal entity (see

> religion-supporting organization). Other religions

> believe in personal revelation and responsibility.

>

>

>

> with good wishes,

> k.gopu

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe that is how Kalki Awatar underscores important messages and

makes sure we all *get* those! Of course only talking about your

duplicate message! If it gets posted more than twice it is just

*SPAM* and simply to be ignored (we get those too, all the time!) :-(

 

BUT -- all these multiple postings that are coming through also

indicate 'objectively' that the draconian *moderation* that many of

the members have been fearing and worrying about being applied willy

nilly was really just another of those nodal paranoias that happens

so soon after an eclipse! ;-)

 

I say this jestingly (there we go again!) but believe me -- the

recent eclipse should have been watched carefully and with respect by

me! Sometimes they strike weeks before even before they occur in the

skies! I learned my astrological lesson in august, trust me!!

 

RR

 

 

, "auromirra19"

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> RRji,

> This is not a *duplicate* but a trick of the web. Alas!! if I could

> delete it? It is not in my hands.

>

> Nalini

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > This is duplicate -- you may wish to delete it :-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "auromirra19"

> > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RRji,

> > > Perhaps I am making an observation at an inappropriate time?

> > > I do not believe that I can be born into a religion, It is what

> I

> > > practise, have faith in, that becomes my religion. I can have

> more

> > > than one religion. Religion is not something we fill up in

forms

> > for

> > > whatever purpose. I might want to take the essence of each

> > > religion , for in essence they are all the same. It is we , the

> > > practicers who attribute *colours* to each and every religion.

> > > The basic need in every individual to *convert* others into his

> > > faith is what causes the rampant confusion and ensuing hell

> > > thereafter. Can we not appreciate what is in others without

> > becoming

> > > They or them. Can I not appreciate and worship the Love of

Jesus

> > > christ without becoming a christian. Can I not take the name of

> the

> > > Ever merciful Allah without embracing Islam. Why I love

> Hinduism, I

> > > wouldnot forsake it.

> > > Any relationship is strong, be it between individuals,

religions

> > > etc.only when the persons in the relationship are strong, in

> their

> > > faith , principles, beliefs and actions.When one in a

> relationship

> > > bends backwards to appease the other, it no longer is strong or

> > > healthy and is a No No and certainly a Yo-Yo.It can never

> flourish

> > > or be nourished.

> > > Religion by itself has no ideology it is what is attributed by

> > > various people *practising* it. Various observations of

> individuals

> > > can certainly appear to be coloured on the face of it and also

> in

> > > the heat of the moment, but viewed later and after a thought

> might

> > > be perceived differently.An individual can have various such

> > > perceptions, outbursts which of course depends on his/her state

> of

> > > maturity, which again can never be constant. People considered

> very

> > > rational, mature and levelheaded have been known to make

> irrational

> > > and very emotional statements. Each individual however,mature

> level

> > > headed has an emotional side to her/him, they cannot be human

> > > otherwise. Again,If we always are brash, irrational without the

> > > quintessential 'Viveka' so unique to us can we be far removed

> from

> > > the non-humans?

> > > Every individual needs to cherish and nourish the goodness of

> > every

> > > religion -that is to say the religion itself as evry religion

> has

> > > nothing but goodness. To nourish and cherish is not to visit

> every

> > > temple, dargah or church but appreciate their flavour,fervour.

> > > That is what is called a genuine prayer.

> > >

> > > Nalini

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Forum Members,

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps I am raising an issue that is too soon after the

> latest

> > > skid-

> > > > row that we have witnessed, experienced or just ran away into

> > > hiding

> > > > from!

> > > >

> > > > Having labelled numerous times as arrogant, insensitive,

> > > sarcastic,

> > > > and labels far worse than those, perhaps I am the right

person

> to

> > > > raise this issue on this forum that I love and that I have

> > > publicly

> > > > called home, barely weeks earlier! Sorry if I am mauling your

> > > > sensitivities and personal angst in these *difficult* times,

> > folks!

> > > >

> > > > As contemporary jyotishis that provoke go, Mr. K.N. Rao for

> sure

> > > > takes the cake! There is a certain intensity, a certain

light,

> a

> > > > certain martian edge to his statements that individuals may

> not

> > > like

> > > > but CANNOT ignore! It is the sharp edge of a surgeon who

gives

> > the

> > > > impression that he knows what he is doing and what he is

> cutting,

> > > so

> > > > just lie still and you will someday thank him! Maybe, I am

> being

> > a

> > > > bit melodramatic. But have you 'studied' what he has written?

> > > Don't

> > > > jump in too quickly and hit the REPLY button here, folks!

> > > >

> > > > However, even in his many writings on karma and reincarnation

> > > (books

> > > > and articles and forum messages), he has not touched upon one

> > > aspect.

> > > > Now, I have no doubt that a Doyen of his prowess knows this

as

> > > > directly as the back of his hand as the expression goes, but

> he

> > > has

> > > > not expressed this, as far as I know. Please correct me if

you

> > > know

> > > > otherwise!

> > > >

> > > > ARE all participants on this forum know for sure what

religion

> > > they

> > > > will be born in next time? ASSUMING that we have a human

birth

> > the

> > > > next time?

> > > >

> > > > I personally don't!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Each answer has several parts,as you say it often,every answer

creates another prashna.

Why every beautiful beginning should be a function of time?

Why every end should bring them on?

Why the lagna and the 12th house connected in such a way that I

cannot distinguish between 30 Pisces and 0 degree Aries?

As this forum smoulders in the fires which began a few months ago,

why run for water now?

rishi

 

 

 

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> You seem to have the answer already!

> Why the prashna chart then ;-)

>

> , "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> >

> > Rainbows, a function of time, isn't it, sir?

> > And perhaps are sent to remind us that when sunshine is taken

away

> if

> > one has the strength to see through the storm , sunshine will

> return,

> > often heralded by a rainbow.

> > I saw two perfect ones ony of late. But difficult to handle,

these

> > rainbows, they are temperamental!

> > Will try to cast a prasna chart and analyse!!

> > rishi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "crystal pages"

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Madam,

> > >

> > > Perhaps I shall be taken to task again for writing prose and

> poetry

> > > instead of astrology but reading your post brought me to this

> > written

> > > a while ago -- perhaps about religion, perhaps about

spiritually

> or

> > > as really happens, a moment of discomfiture that is just about

> > > learning for one or more:

> > >

> > > RAINBOWS ALWAYS HAVE A PAST

> > >

> > > Rainbows make my heart so sad

> > > I know that'll make you wonder why

> > > I try to see the beautiful sight

> > > All I remember are clouds so dark

> > > that wiped the virgin blue off the sky

> > > that squelched the golden sun away,

> > > brought this lightning bright and harsh

> > > that burned a gaping hole in my heart.

> > > And the torrents that washed the fields away

> > > that tore the bridge that joined those two

> > > and yet they call it a symbol of love

> > > Can this really be Cupid's bow?

> > > I wish my heart could sing with joy

> > > I wish I could dance with the rest of you

> > > as you sing its glory bright

> > > and wrapped in its magnificient colors

> > > you feel your souls rising in hope

> > > as children look up in curious glee

> > > my heart just sinks and sobs its tears

> > > I love the sight of a rainbow bright

> > > But can I forget the storm in its past.

> > >

> > >

> > > , "auromirra19"

> > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear RRji,

> > > > Perhaps I am making an observation at an inappropriate time?

> > > > I do not believe that I can be born into a religion, It is

what

> I

> > > > practise, have faith in, that becomes my religion. I can have

> > more

> > > > than one religion. Religion is not something we fill up in

> forms

> > > for

> > > > whatever purpose. I might want to take the essence of each

> > > > religion , for in essence they are all the same. It is we ,

the

> > > > practicers who attribute *colours* to each and every religion.

> > > > The basic need in every individual to *convert* others into

his

> > > > faith is what causes the rampant confusion and ensuing hell

> > > > thereafter. Can we not appreciate what is in others without

> > > becoming

> > > > They or them. Can I not appreciate and worship the Love of

> Jesus

> > > > christ without becoming a christian. Can I not take the name

of

> > the

> > > > Ever merciful Allah without embracing Islam. Why I love

> Hinduism,

> > I

> > > > wouldnot forsake it.

> > > > Any relationship is strong, be it between individuals,

> religions

> > > > etc.only when the persons in the relationship are strong, in

> > their

> > > > faith , principles, beliefs and actions.When one in a

> > relationship

> > > > bends backwards to appease the other, it no longer is strong

or

> > > > healthy and is a No No and certainly a Yo-Yo.It can never

> > flourish

> > > > or be nourished.

> > > > Religion by itself has no ideology it is what is attributed

by

> > > > various people *practising* it. Various observations of

> > individuals

> > > > can certainly appear to be coloured on the face of it and

also

> in

> > > > the heat of the moment, but viewed later and after a thought

> > might

> > > > be perceived differently.An individual can have various such

> > > > perceptions, outbursts which of course depends on his/her

state

> > of

> > > > maturity, which again can never be constant. People

considered

> > very

> > > > rational, mature and levelheaded have been known to make

> > irrational

> > > > and very emotional statements. Each individual however,mature

> > level

> > > > headed has an emotional side to her/him, they cannot be human

> > > > otherwise. Again,If we always are brash, irrational without

the

> > > > quintessential 'Viveka' so unique to us can we be far removed

> > from

> > > > the non-humans?

> > > > Every individual needs to cherish and nourish the goodness

of

> > > every

> > > > religion -that is to say the religion itself as evry religion

> has

> > > > nothing but goodness. To nourish and cherish is not to visit

> > every

> > > > temple, dargah or church but appreciate their flavour,fervour.

> > > > That is what is called a genuine prayer.

> > > >

> > > > Nalini

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Forum Members,

> > > > >

> > > > > Perhaps I am raising an issue that is too soon after the

> latest

> > > > skid-

> > > > > row that we have witnessed, experienced or just ran away

into

> > > > hiding

> > > > > from!

> > > > >

> > > > > Having labelled numerous times as arrogant, insensitive,

> > > > sarcastic,

> > > > > and labels far worse than those, perhaps I am the right

> person

> > to

> > > > > raise this issue on this forum that I love and that I have

> > > > publicly

> > > > > called home, barely weeks earlier! Sorry if I am mauling

your

> > > > > sensitivities and personal angst in these *difficult*

times,

> > > folks!

> > > > >

> > > > > As contemporary jyotishis that provoke go, Mr. K.N. Rao for

> > sure

> > > > > takes the cake! There is a certain intensity, a certain

> light,

> > a

> > > > > certain martian edge to his statements that individuals may

> not

> > > > like

> > > > > but CANNOT ignore! It is the sharp edge of a surgeon who

> gives

> > > the

> > > > > impression that he knows what he is doing and what he is

> > cutting,

> > > > so

> > > > > just lie still and you will someday thank him! Maybe, I am

> > being

> > > a

> > > > > bit melodramatic. But have you 'studied' what he has

written?

> > > > Don't

> > > > > jump in too quickly and hit the REPLY button here, folks!

> > > > >

> > > > > However, even in his many writings on karma and

reincarnation

> > > > (books

> > > > > and articles and forum messages), he has not touched upon

one

> > > > aspect.

> > > > > Now, I have no doubt that a Doyen of his prowess knows this

> as

> > > > > directly as the back of his hand as the expression goes,

but

> he

> > > > has

> > > > > not expressed this, as far as I know. Please correct me if

> you

> > > > know

> > > > > otherwise!

> > > > >

> > > > > ARE all participants on this forum know for sure what

> religion

> > > > they

> > > > > will be born in next time? ASSUMING that we have a human

> birth

> > > the

> > > > > next time?

> > > > >

> > > > > I personally don't!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You don't really want me to go away and emabark on the journey that

will take me to my *course*, do you, Sir (just kidding!)?

 

For me, who has no known horoscope as you know Rishi, swimming begins

with diving into the large pool!

 

Pool has one certainty! WATER! No fires! Drowing is impossible since

we have these 'plastic' noodles and "floaters" that keep us alive and

ummm... floating! Some mean cynics call those "LIFE"!

 

 

RR

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> Each answer has several parts,as you say it often,every answer

> creates another prashna.

> Why every beautiful beginning should be a function of time?

> Why every end should bring them on?

> Why the lagna and the 12th house connected in such a way that I

> cannot distinguish between 30 Pisces and 0 degree Aries?

> As this forum smoulders in the fires which began a few months ago,

> why run for water now?

> rishi

>

>

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > You seem to have the answer already!

> > Why the prashna chart then ;-)

> >

> > , "rishi_2000in"

> > <rishi_2000in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rainbows, a function of time, isn't it, sir?

> > > And perhaps are sent to remind us that when sunshine is taken

> away

> > if

> > > one has the strength to see through the storm , sunshine will

> > return,

> > > often heralded by a rainbow.

> > > I saw two perfect ones ony of late. But difficult to handle,

> these

> > > rainbows, they are temperamental!

> > > Will try to cast a prasna chart and analyse!!

> > > rishi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Madam,

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps I shall be taken to task again for writing prose and

> > poetry

> > > > instead of astrology but reading your post brought me to this

> > > written

> > > > a while ago -- perhaps about religion, perhaps about

> spiritually

> > or

> > > > as really happens, a moment of discomfiture that is just

about

> > > > learning for one or more:

> > > >

> > > > RAINBOWS ALWAYS HAVE A PAST

> > > >

> > > > Rainbows make my heart so sad

> > > > I know that'll make you wonder why

> > > > I try to see the beautiful sight

> > > > All I remember are clouds so dark

> > > > that wiped the virgin blue off the sky

> > > > that squelched the golden sun away,

> > > > brought this lightning bright and harsh

> > > > that burned a gaping hole in my heart.

> > > > And the torrents that washed the fields away

> > > > that tore the bridge that joined those two

> > > > and yet they call it a symbol of love

> > > > Can this really be Cupid's bow?

> > > > I wish my heart could sing with joy

> > > > I wish I could dance with the rest of you

> > > > as you sing its glory bright

> > > > and wrapped in its magnificient colors

> > > > you feel your souls rising in hope

> > > > as children look up in curious glee

> > > > my heart just sinks and sobs its tears

> > > > I love the sight of a rainbow bright

> > > > But can I forget the storm in its past.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear RRji,

> > > > > Perhaps I am making an observation at an inappropriate time?

> > > > > I do not believe that I can be born into a religion, It is

> what

> > I

> > > > > practise, have faith in, that becomes my religion. I can

have

> > > more

> > > > > than one religion. Religion is not something we fill up in

> > forms

> > > > for

> > > > > whatever purpose. I might want to take the essence of each

> > > > > religion , for in essence they are all the same. It is we ,

> the

> > > > > practicers who attribute *colours* to each and every

religion.

> > > > > The basic need in every individual to *convert* others into

> his

> > > > > faith is what causes the rampant confusion and ensuing hell

> > > > > thereafter. Can we not appreciate what is in others without

> > > > becoming

> > > > > They or them. Can I not appreciate and worship the Love of

> > Jesus

> > > > > christ without becoming a christian. Can I not take the

name

> of

> > > the

> > > > > Ever merciful Allah without embracing Islam. Why I love

> > Hinduism,

> > > I

> > > > > wouldnot forsake it.

> > > > > Any relationship is strong, be it between individuals,

> > religions

> > > > > etc.only when the persons in the relationship are strong,

in

> > > their

> > > > > faith , principles, beliefs and actions.When one in a

> > > relationship

> > > > > bends backwards to appease the other, it no longer is

strong

> or

> > > > > healthy and is a No No and certainly a Yo-Yo.It can never

> > > flourish

> > > > > or be nourished.

> > > > > Religion by itself has no ideology it is what is attributed

> by

> > > > > various people *practising* it. Various observations of

> > > individuals

> > > > > can certainly appear to be coloured on the face of it and

> also

> > in

> > > > > the heat of the moment, but viewed later and after a

thought

> > > might

> > > > > be perceived differently.An individual can have various

such

> > > > > perceptions, outbursts which of course depends on his/her

> state

> > > of

> > > > > maturity, which again can never be constant. People

> considered

> > > very

> > > > > rational, mature and levelheaded have been known to make

> > > irrational

> > > > > and very emotional statements. Each individual

however,mature

> > > level

> > > > > headed has an emotional side to her/him, they cannot be

human

> > > > > otherwise. Again,If we always are brash, irrational without

> the

> > > > > quintessential 'Viveka' so unique to us can we be far

removed

> > > from

> > > > > the non-humans?

> > > > > Every individual needs to cherish and nourish the goodness

> of

> > > > every

> > > > > religion -that is to say the religion itself as evry

religion

> > has

> > > > > nothing but goodness. To nourish and cherish is not to

visit

> > > every

> > > > > temple, dargah or church but appreciate their

flavour,fervour.

> > > > > That is what is called a genuine prayer.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nalini

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "crystal pages"

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Forum Members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Perhaps I am raising an issue that is too soon after the

> > latest

> > > > > skid-

> > > > > > row that we have witnessed, experienced or just ran away

> into

> > > > > hiding

> > > > > > from!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Having labelled numerous times as arrogant, insensitive,

> > > > > sarcastic,

> > > > > > and labels far worse than those, perhaps I am the right

> > person

> > > to

> > > > > > raise this issue on this forum that I love and that I

have

> > > > > publicly

> > > > > > called home, barely weeks earlier! Sorry if I am mauling

> your

> > > > > > sensitivities and personal angst in these *difficult*

> times,

> > > > folks!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As contemporary jyotishis that provoke go, Mr. K.N. Rao

for

> > > sure

> > > > > > takes the cake! There is a certain intensity, a certain

> > light,

> > > a

> > > > > > certain martian edge to his statements that individuals

may

> > not

> > > > > like

> > > > > > but CANNOT ignore! It is the sharp edge of a surgeon who

> > gives

> > > > the

> > > > > > impression that he knows what he is doing and what he is

> > > cutting,

> > > > > so

> > > > > > just lie still and you will someday thank him! Maybe, I

am

> > > being

> > > > a

> > > > > > bit melodramatic. But have you 'studied' what he has

> written?

> > > > > Don't

> > > > > > jump in too quickly and hit the REPLY button here, folks!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, even in his many writings on karma and

> reincarnation

> > > > > (books

> > > > > > and articles and forum messages), he has not touched upon

> one

> > > > > aspect.

> > > > > > Now, I have no doubt that a Doyen of his prowess knows

this

> > as

> > > > > > directly as the back of his hand as the expression goes,

> but

> > he

> > > > > has

> > > > > > not expressed this, as far as I know. Please correct me

if

> > you

> > > > > know

> > > > > > otherwise!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ARE all participants on this forum know for sure what

> > religion

> > > > > they

> > > > > > will be born in next time? ASSUMING that we have a human

> > birth

> > > > the

> > > > > > next time?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I personally don't!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Shri RR ji,

 

My experience has been that you teach very well, by example and

precept. We realise that you don't HAVE to be here. And yet you are.

I, for myself, can say that I have been a better person since I have

started to read what you write and I am sure many here will have the

same thing to say.

 

About the religion issue, I have a different way of looking at it

and somehow life has given me to understand that what I think does

not really matter or make sense to most. Perhaps many silent members

feel that way too and hence the silence.

 

The way I see it, the religion is not the main issue, here or

anywhere else. It is just a pretext. It is just a mode of letting

out our very hidden pain and frustration, born out of perhaps what

we consider our failures. There are very few people in this world

who know why they were born or feel that there lives have been worth

living again. A deep sense of satisfaction in having done what we

came here to do eludes most of us. We do not know how to connect to

our mission in life, our very own satisfying reason for waking up to

a new day. We come to seek that in jyotish forums but of course we

bring our frustration with us.

 

Where it is not religion, it is natonality or language or caste or

colour or gender...... The list is endless.

 

I have been through such situations and now I know that I was

lashing out at none other than my very own.

 

And again from personal experience, only compassion for others and

extreme self-control for ourselves, and learning from the saint who

bears it all in silence, even when he is stoned by his own in pain,

can fill the void inside us, has filled the void inside me.

 

Sorry for the emotional and personal content.

 

Regards,

Nandini.

 

 

, "crystal pages"

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Experiencing different religions DIRECTLY before forming a final

> opinion was what I was talking about. Not being a teacher, I am

often

> not clear! Having reminded of that, I am trying hard to improve!

>

> RR

>

> , "crystal pages"

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Nandini ji,

> >

> > Because going into a required 'course' which the "Curriculum"

> demands

> > with preconceived negativity and no direct experience may not be

> the

> > best strategy for a beginner student! I am assuming you are one,

> like

> > me, as far as religions go? Perhaps I spoke way out of line! My

> > apologies in that case.

> >

> > How can I criticise and put down 'Psychology' when I have not

> > experienced it and am just beginning to learn the pure science

of

> > Physics, let us say, for example!

> >

> > , "kakan_leo"

<kakan_leo@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > With due respect, why is it important to know that, Sir?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Nandini.

> > >

> > > , "crystal pages"

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Forum Members,

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps I am raising an issue that is too soon after the

latest

> > > skid-

> > > > row that we have witnessed, experienced or just ran away

into

> > > hiding

> > > > from!

> > > >

> > > > Having labelled numerous times as arrogant, insensitive,

> > > sarcastic,

> > > > and labels far worse than those, perhaps I am the right

person

> to

> > > > raise this issue on this forum that I love and that I have

> > > publicly

> > > > called home, barely weeks earlier! Sorry if I am mauling

your

> > > > sensitivities and personal angst in these *difficult* times,

> > folks!

> > > >

> > > > As contemporary jyotishis that provoke go, Mr. K.N. Rao for

> sure

> > > > takes the cake! There is a certain intensity, a certain

light,

> a

> > > > certain martian edge to his statements that individuals may

not

> > > like

> > > > but CANNOT ignore! It is the sharp edge of a surgeon who

gives

> > the

> > > > impression that he knows what he is doing and what he is

> cutting,

> > > so

> > > > just lie still and you will someday thank him! Maybe, I am

> being

> > a

> > > > bit melodramatic. But have you 'studied' what he has

written?

> > > Don't

> > > > jump in too quickly and hit the REPLY button here, folks!

> > > >

> > > > However, even in his many writings on karma and

reincarnation

> > > (books

> > > > and articles and forum messages), he has not touched upon

one

> > > aspect.

> > > > Now, I have no doubt that a Doyen of his prowess knows this

as

> > > > directly as the back of his hand as the expression goes, but

he

> > > has

> > > > not expressed this, as far as I know. Please correct me if

you

> > > know

> > > > otherwise!

> > > >

> > > > ARE all participants on this forum know for sure what

religion

> > > they

> > > > will be born in next time? ASSUMING that we have a human

birth

> > the

> > > > next time?

> > > >

> > > > I personally don't!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > >

> >

>