RE: The poll tanveer ji poll not needed just moderation

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tanveer ji namashkar aap kou yeh sounch na hai kee aap ka group tharakki kare aap ne iss kou janam diya nurture kiya aap hi kuu decide karna hai aap kaa group salamat rahnekeliye kya kadam utana hai koiye aap kee group mai service karaha hai aap kaa familiy member ki tharah hota hai aap usskou baahar karnekebare mai kaise souch sakthe, yeh bilkul aap baan kou khayal see nikal deh school thodi na hai aaj kaal school mai bhi bacchou ka hakh hai,[aapne bacchou kou samja bhuja kar raste mai lathe hai bhaar nahi karthe ] thou itna app kou karna hai appene JR family kou saath lekar chal naa hai auur astrology kou agee badana hai humaai iss art kou sikneka mouka milega krupaya app itni tension naa ley sirf moderate kare auur yehaa sae ageh lejaaye kudhafeez raj k

 

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Tanveer ji,

 

Poll can be configured to see - who has voted for which option; and when results are announced - that is often disclosed as well.

 

Since, you have raised a sensitive issue regarding continuation of Ashutosh as moderator - How can anyone vote freely, when such results (with member name) is known the moderator himself (or when results are announced).

 

The poll may not be holding confidentiality of vote for each member's inclination. and under the circumstances, needs assurance from you, as to who will have access to the results !!

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Kaun rota hai kisi aur ki khatir e dost, sabko apni hi kisi baat pe rona aaya.

 

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>

> tanweera (AT) zipbd (DOT) com

> Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:34:02 -0000

>

> The poll

>

> Dear all :

>

> As there are a lot of discussions, opinions etc. about this recent

> ban with most of the people going against the ban. I want to know

> what the majority says. Please voice your opinion freely. I am a

> believer of democracy, most of the times I must add. (But I know and

> admit that sometimes autocracy is needed, too.) Anyway.

>

> I personally feel that Bhaskar Ji's comment was irresponsible and

> beyond general norms of courtesy. And if I were there I would have

> at least put him on moderation or perhaps I would ask him to

> apologize and if he did not then perhaps ban him. The only thing

> that supports him is his great contributions, there is no doubt

> about him. And we all are grateful to him for that.

>

> However we must also rememeber, as I always say, doing even hundred

> good deads do not permit one to do one evil. I may feed a hungry

> poor person to the limit of his stomach but does it REALLY entitle

> me to beat him, or to insult him, for the cost of feeding?

>

> If we are to respect, and be greatful to Bhaskar Ji for his

> contributions, then we must same time also voice against the biased

> comments that he has made. ONLY THAT IS JUSTICE. I personally was

> very frustrated by his biased comments and we cannot expect this

> from a matured, wise, kind person who does good to needy people.

> Esp. on this international board where people from all over the

> world gather.

>

> I was informed by Ashutosh Ji that even though Bhaskar Ji was argued

> with about his mean (Yes, I would say so.) comments he continued to

> stick to it and always supported his earlier statement. NOTHING can

> be more frustrating than this, when someone refuses to accept his

> mistake. To err is human being and to accept mistake is the

> greatness.

>

> Even though he was banned by Ashutosh Ji without a warning or

> precaution BUT THEN Ashutosh Ji is correct about his statement that

> as Bhaskar Ji kept sticking to his comments, what is the point of

> giving him another warning. He already refuses to admit his mistake.

> Right?

>

> Still, people have different defition of justice and different

> styles of judgement, and that is why this poll is for, to know what

> you think. Because each of the members of JR is a part of it, and

> they all are equally important.

>

> Thanks for being a part of JR family.

>

> Regards

> Tanvir.

>

>

>

>

> What cannot happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

> remedies

> Where relief and solutions are found

 

 

 

 

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tanveer ji namashkar aap kou yeh sounch na hai kee aap ka group tharakki kare aap ne iss kou janam diya nurture kiya aap hi kuu decide karna hai aap kaa group salamat rahnekeliye kya kadam utana hai koiye aap kee group mai service karaha hai aap kaa familiy member ki tharah hota hai aap usskou baahar karnekebare mai kaise souch sakthe, yeh bilkul aap baan kou khayal see nikal deh school thodi na hai aaj kaal school mai bhi bacchou ka hakh hai,[aapne bacchou kou samja bhuja kar raste mai lathe hai bhaar nahi karthe ] thou itna app kou karna hai appene JR family kou saath lekar chal naa hai auur astrology kou agee badana hai humaai iss art kou sikneka mouka milega krupaya app itni tension naa ley sirf moderate kare auur yehaa sae ageh lejaaye kudhafeez raj k

 

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Tanveer ji,

 

Poll can be configured to see - who has voted for which option; and when results are announced - that is often disclosed as well.

 

Since, you have raised a sensitive issue regarding continuation of Ashutosh as moderator - How can anyone vote freely, when such results (with member name) is known the moderator himself (or when results are announced).

 

The poll may not be holding confidentiality of vote for each member's inclination. and under the circumstances, needs assurance from you, as to who will have access to the results !!

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Kaun rota hai kisi aur ki khatir e dost, sabko apni hi kisi baat pe rona aaya.

 

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>

> tanweera (AT) zipbd (DOT) com

> Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:34:02 -0000

>

> The poll

>

> Dear all :

>

> As there are a lot of discussions, opinions etc. about this recent

> ban with most of the people going against the ban. I want to know

> what the majority says. Please voice your opinion freely. I am a

> believer of democracy, most of the times I must add. (But I know and

> admit that sometimes autocracy is needed, too.) Anyway.

>

> I personally feel that Bhaskar Ji's comment was irresponsible and

> beyond general norms of courtesy. And if I were there I would have

> at least put him on moderation or perhaps I would ask him to

> apologize and if he did not then perhaps ban him. The only thing

> that supports him is his great contributions, there is no doubt

> about him. And we all are grateful to him for that.

>

> However we must also rememeber, as I always say, doing even hundred

> good deads do not permit one to do one evil. I may feed a hungry

> poor person to the limit of his stomach but does it REALLY entitle

> me to beat him, or to insult him, for the cost of feeding?

>

> If we are to respect, and be greatful to Bhaskar Ji for his

> contributions, then we must same time also voice against the biased

> comments that he has made. ONLY THAT IS JUSTICE. I personally was

> very frustrated by his biased comments and we cannot expect this

> from a matured, wise, kind person who does good to needy people.

> Esp. on this international board where people from all over the

> world gather.

>

> I was informed by Ashutosh Ji that even though Bhaskar Ji was argued

> with about his mean (Yes, I would say so.) comments he continued to

> stick to it and always supported his earlier statement. NOTHING can

> be more frustrating than this, when someone refuses to accept his

> mistake. To err is human being and to accept mistake is the

> greatness.

>

> Even though he was banned by Ashutosh Ji without a warning or

> precaution BUT THEN Ashutosh Ji is correct about his statement that

> as Bhaskar Ji kept sticking to his comments, what is the point of

> giving him another warning. He already refuses to admit his mistake.

> Right?

>

> Still, people have different defition of justice and different

> styles of judgement, and that is why this poll is for, to know what

> you think. Because each of the members of JR is a part of it, and

> they all are equally important.

>

> Thanks for being a part of JR family.

>

> Regards

> Tanvir.

>

>

>

>

> What cannot happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

> remedies

> Where relief and solutions are found

 

 

 

 

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Dear Kumar,

 

A proper way would be to send a translation of your statements in a language understood by all in this group, ie english, along with your statements in hindi or in your next mail as an amendment. Please think about the large number of non-hindi speaking people on this group.

 

Best regards

 

the moderator

 

 

 

 

-

kumar kumar

Sunday, 17 September, 2006 03:22

RE: The poll tanveer ji poll not needed just moderation

 

 

tanveer ji namashkar aap kou yeh sounch na hai kee aap ka group tharakki kare aap ne iss kou janam diya nurture kiya aap hi kuu decide karna hai aap kaa group salamat rahnekeliye kya kadam utana hai koiye aap kee group mai service karaha hai aap kaa familiy member ki tharah hota hai aap usskou baahar karnekebare mai kaise souch sakthe, yeh bilkul aap baan kou khayal see nikal deh school thodi na hai aaj kaal school mai bhi bacchou ka hakh hai,[aapne bacchou kou samja bhuja kar raste mai lathe hai bhaar nahi karthe ] thou itna app kou karna hai appene JR family kou saath lekar chal naa hai auur astrology kou agee badana hai humaai iss art kou sikneka mouka milega krupaya app itni tension naa ley sirf moderate kare auur yehaa sae ageh lejaaye kudhafeez raj k

 

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Tanveer ji,

 

Poll can be configured to see - who has voted for which option; and when results are announced - that is often disclosed as well.

 

Since, you have raised a sensitive issue regarding continuation of Ashutosh as moderator - How can anyone vote freely, when such results (with member name) is known the moderator himself (or when results are announced).

 

The poll may not be holding confidentiality of vote for each member's inclination. and under the circumstances, needs assurance from you, as to who will have access to the results !!

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Kaun rota hai kisi aur ki khatir e dost, sabko apni hi kisi baat pe rona aaya.

 

************************************************

 

>

> tanweera (AT) zipbd (DOT) com

> Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:34:02 -0000

>

> The poll

>

> Dear all :

>

> As there are a lot of discussions, opinions etc. about this recent

> ban with most of the people going against the ban. I want to know

> what the majority says. Please voice your opinion freely. I am a

> believer of democracy, most of the times I must add. (But I know and

> admit that sometimes autocracy is needed, too.) Anyway.

>

> I personally feel that Bhaskar Ji's comment was irresponsible and

> beyond general norms of courtesy. And if I were there I would have

> at least put him on moderation or perhaps I would ask him to

> apologize and if he did not then perhaps ban him. The only thing

> that supports him is his great contributions, there is no doubt

> about him. And we all are grateful to him for that.

>

> However we must also rememeber, as I always say, doing even hundred

> good deads do not permit one to do one evil. I may feed a hungry

> poor person to the limit of his stomach but does it REALLY entitle

> me to beat him, or to insult him, for the cost of feeding?

>

> If we are to respect, and be greatful to Bhaskar Ji for his

> contributions, then we must same time also voice against the biased

> comments that he has made. ONLY THAT IS JUSTICE. I personally was

> very frustrated by his biased comments and we cannot expect this

> from a matured, wise, kind person who does good to needy people.

> Esp. on this international board where people from all over the

> world gather.

>

> I was informed by Ashutosh Ji that even though Bhaskar Ji was argued

> with about his mean (Yes, I would say so.) comments he continued to

> stick to it and always supported his earlier statement. NOTHING can

> be more frustrating than this, when someone refuses to accept his

> mistake. To err is human being and to accept mistake is the

> greatness.

>

> Even though he was banned by Ashutosh Ji without a warning or

> precaution BUT THEN Ashutosh Ji is correct about his statement that

> as Bhaskar Ji kept sticking to his comments, what is the point of

> giving him another warning. He already refuses to admit his mistake.

> Right?

>

> Still, people have different defition of justice and different

> styles of judgement, and that is why this poll is for, to know what

> you think. Because each of the members of JR is a part of it, and

> they all are equally important.

>

> Thanks for being a part of JR family.

>

> Regards

> Tanvir.

>

>

>

>

> What cannot happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

> remedies

> Where relief and solutions are found

 

 

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Hon'ble Tanvir Ji,

 

First of all my respectful regards to you, Sir.

 

I am AGAINST THE BANNING OF MR. BASKAR that too unilaterally without proper

course of action which was roughly outlined initially but later on very well

defined by Pt. Arjun Ji and seconded by many others honourable members of

our family (JR).

 

My reasons AGAINST THE BAN are few but I believe are very important:

 

1. If we look at our own families where we have SIX/SEVEN brothers and

sisters and then their children, havn't we seen repeatedly that there are

always difference of opinion and way of thinking. Do we not find our own

brothers/sisters having different temperaments...some cool, some not so

cool, some short tempered, some very short tempered. Have we ever CUT our

relations with our brother or sister who is 'some short tempered' or 'very

short tempered'? My conseiousness will SAY, NO, absolutely NO......although

I know it very well that my brother'S or sister's nature is not going to

change for ever. The banning (cutting of relations) of a Learned member

like Mr. Baskar Ji is indeed painful....unwarranted.......if my views in the

foregoing lines are taken into serious consideration.

 

2. From the querries raised my members of this Forum, I have often

observed that the responses from Pt Baskar has always been quick...sometimes

in a matter of 2 minutes, 5 minutes....Isn't that a big contribution to our

JR Family Group?

 

I have the greatest respect in my heart/mind for all the Hon'ble Pandits in

this Forum, who are all great contributors for the general welfare of the

human kind.

 

It is my fervent request to you, SIR Tanvir Ji, to LIFE THE BAN and let the

free flow of information/advice/guidance continue with more contributions

from Mr. Baskar Ji in the great interest of our JR Family group.

 

Of course, Sir, you are the final authority..but please consider only this:

Mr.Baskar is also one of our brothers in this JR Family Group......no matter

what nature he has..............and how can we think of banning (cutting

relations) with our own brother and that too without giving him any prior

justification.

 

My best wishes and regards,

N. K. Rana

 

"*RESPECT CANNOT BE DEMANDED BUT COMMANDED"*

 

 

On 9/17/06, astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh (AT) (DOT) fr> wrote:

>

> Dear Kumar,

>

> A proper way would be to send a translation of your statements in a

> language understood by all in this group, ie english, along with your

> statements in hindi or in your next mail as an amendment. Please think about

> the large number of non-hindi speaking people on this group.

>

> Best regards

>

> the moderator

>

> -

> kumar kumar

> <%40>

> Sunday, 17 September, 2006 03:22

> RE: The poll tanveer ji poll not needed just moderation

>

> tanveer ji namashkar aap kou yeh sounch na hai kee aap ka group tharakki

> kare aap ne iss kou janam diya nurture kiya aap hi kuu decide karna hai aap

> kaa group salamat rahnekeliye kya kadam utana hai koiye aap kee group mai

> service karaha hai aap kaa familiy member ki tharah hota hai aap usskou

> baahar karnekebare mai kaise souch sakthe, yeh bilkul aap baan kou khayal

> see nikal deh school thodi na hai aaj kaal school mai bhi bacchou ka hakh

> hai,[aapne bacchou kou samja bhuja kar raste mai lathe hai bhaar nahi karthe

> ] thou itna app kou karna hai appene JR family kou saath lekar chal naa hai

> auur astrology kou agee badana hai humaai iss art kou sikneka mouka milega

> krupaya app itni tension naa ley sirf moderate kare auur yehaa sae ageh

> lejaaye kudhafeez raj k

>

> Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com <jyotish%40inbox.com>> wrote: Dear

> Tanveer ji,

>

> Poll can be configured to see - who has voted for which option; and

> when results are announced - that is often disclosed as well.

>

> Since, you have raised a sensitive issue regarding continuation of

> Ashutosh as moderator - How can anyone vote freely, when such results (with

> member name) is known the moderator himself (or when results are announced).

>

> The poll may not be holding confidentiality of vote for each member's

> inclination. and under the circumstances, needs assurance from you, as to

> who will have access to the results !!

>

> regards / Prafulla Gang

>

> Kaun rota hai kisi aur ki khatir e dost, sabko apni hi kisi baat pe rona

> aaya.

>

> ************************************************

>

> >

> > tanweera (AT) zipbd (DOT) com <tanweera%40zipbd.com>

> > Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:34:02 -0000

> > <%40>

> > The poll

> >

> > Dear all :

> >

> > As there are a lot of discussions, opinions etc. about this recent

> > ban with most of the people going against the ban. I want to know

> > what the majority says. Please voice your opinion freely. I am a

> > believer of democracy, most of the times I must add. (But I know and

> > admit that sometimes autocracy is needed, too.) Anyway.

> >

> > I personally feel that Bhaskar Ji's comment was irresponsible and

> > beyond general norms of courtesy. And if I were there I would have

> > at least put him on moderation or perhaps I would ask him to

> > apologize and if he did not then perhaps ban him. The only thing

> > that supports him is his great contributions, there is no doubt

> > about him. And we all are grateful to him for that.

> >

> > However we must also rememeber, as I always say, doing even hundred

> > good deads do not permit one to do one evil. I may feed a hungry

> > poor person to the limit of his stomach but does it REALLY entitle

> > me to beat him, or to insult him, for the cost of feeding?

> >

> > If we are to respect, and be greatful to Bhaskar Ji for his

> > contributions, then we must same time also voice against the biased

> > comments that he has made. ONLY THAT IS JUSTICE. I personally was

> > very frustrated by his biased comments and we cannot expect this

> > from a matured, wise, kind person who does good to needy people.

> > Esp. on this international board where people from all over the

> > world gather.

> >

> > I was informed by Ashutosh Ji that even though Bhaskar Ji was argued

> > with about his mean (Yes, I would say so.) comments he continued to

> > stick to it and always supported his earlier statement. NOTHING can

> > be more frustrating than this, when someone refuses to accept his

> > mistake. To err is human being and to accept mistake is the

> > greatness.

> >

> > Even though he was banned by Ashutosh Ji without a warning or

> > precaution BUT THEN Ashutosh Ji is correct about his statement that

> > as Bhaskar Ji kept sticking to his comments, what is the point of

> > giving him another warning. He already refuses to admit his mistake.

> > Right?

> >

> > Still, people have different defition of justice and different

> > styles of judgement, and that is why this poll is for, to know what

> > you think. Because each of the members of JR is a part of it, and

> > they all are equally important.

> >

> > Thanks for being a part of JR family.

> >

> > Regards

> > Tanvir.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > What cannot happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

> > remedies

> > Where relief and solutions are found

>

>

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