Current situation- Some clarifications 16/9 why not

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CP Kumar,

Well there is nothing wrong in the commercial aspect as the new moderator also said.

about Pt Arjuna profile, well good u summed it up for all to see , right now we don't have anyone else in this group doing it, it is not easy going on this road as every rationalist will ridicule you but these forms exist in all countries and Americans call/sell this as crystal gazing, Clairvoyance, psychic healing and of course pranic and Reiki are world over accepted RR is another REiki exponent and may not do it for a price though, Arjun ji has given up a good MNC job and has found some solace in helping the needy and to survive u need some means after giving up a good job isnt it.

 

THIS FORUM IF THE TITLE IS JYOTISH REMEDIES HE has a rightful claim to be a moderator here and for a rationalist view we do have Ashutoshji too, I will prefer both to head and guide it will help

and if only one has to there then lest have a POLL i AM FOR IT.

AND AM NOT A CONTENDER or even if people asked me for reasons I listed in July end will not take up such request even if asked to so if both are acceptable to Tanvir good for all o fus.

"C.P.Kumar" <pacificsiam > wrote: Dear Arjun Ji,

Pls u r good as a memeber not as a moderator, Ashutosh Ji watever u

may think he is a totally focused man -only astrology and nothing

else ,he doesnt preach about religion or puranas etc.religion and

philosophy is there in other groups .

You could have been a moderator provided the image u r projecting

always in most of ur mails is :

I THE HEALER

I THE REIKI MASTER

I THE TANTRIC

I THE CLAIRVOYANT

I NOW ON ASTRAL TRAVEL

I THE CREATOR OF MAYA

I AND MINE RUDRAKSHA

I BELIEVE AND DECLARE SHANKARACHARYA AS THE AVATAAR

all this in way u r trying to promote ur interest ,how cud you be the

moderator.

If a person has reached such heights wat is he doing on this NET

governed by( Shani,Rahu ).

If you have really gone so far why this big " I " is always attached

where is the need to serve or do Seva .Pls GOD knows when to get his

Puja done and by who ,whenever he needs it .

as regards to ashutosh ji decsion .most of the members knew wat was

coming due to Bhaskar ji 's outburst though no doubt he is a good

astrologer but a child at heart always fighting and then ready to say

sorry.I hope good sense will prevail on ashutosh ji and he wud reinstate

him .

with due respect to you

kumar

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear ashutoshji

>

> let me clarify to you and to the group that i have nothing personal

> against you and my whole criticism is targeted on your inaction in

> earlier episode and instat action in current episode.

>

> since many members have expressed their unhappiness and you too

> invited any member to take up the responsibility of moderating the

> group, i offer myself to moderate this group and, if the group owner

> entrusts this responsibility and the members have no objection, my

> moderatorship would be limited to the following activities:

>

> 1. remove or delete spam mails such as advertisements, pornos,

virus

> mails etc.

> 2. answer all those queries which are not answered by any member

and

> the querent post reminders.

> 3. inform the member publicly about any protests or hurt feelings

> received against that member.

> 4. if any member hurts too much and too many complaints pour

against

> him, i will ONLY PLACE HIM UNDER MODERATION and still approve all

> good mails and delete only objectionable mails.

> 5. criticism of any person or any country is allowed IF IT IS BASED

> ON FACTS, SUBSTANTIATED BY REFERENCES.

> 6. allow non-jyotish content but related to spirituality or self

> realisation as well since this is a discussion group to impart

> knoweldge on all subjects allied to astrology.

> 7. being a moderator, i never sell myself or my services in this

> group. outside the group and in private domain, i have full freedom.

> 8. will resign instantly if any member objects to my moderatorship

> based on facts.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

>

> , "astrologerashutosh"

> <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > The action to ban Bhaskar was not born out of

> impatience. There is a valid reason behind it.

> >

> > There was the option of warning him. But, knowing

> the 'short-fuse' volatile nature of Bhaskar, what do you think would

> have been his reaction. The one who has personally attacked almost

> every contributing member in this group, would have politely

> accepted the warning?

> >

> > His words on my chat were," Main tab tak kisi ka

> kuchh nahin bigadta jab tak woh mera kuchh na bigade." meaning, "I

> do not harm anyone unless he harms me." This despite the fact that I

> was not even responding to him. Sensing further attacks from him, I

> ignored him from my messenger.

> >

> > Not to go too far, Bhaskar had indirectly attacked RRji

> yesterday in one of his mails. First he creates all kinds of angry

> moods, finds reasons to fight from other people's words and then

> when the water crosses his head, he cools down. This kind Dr. Jekyl

> and Mr. Hyde personality has disturbed the peace in this group many

> times. He clearly shows that no one can point out his mistakes. He

> takes even simple advices as personal attacks. What can one do with

> a person who has a bare sword in his hand and is always ready to

> fight.

> >

> > If you go through the mails regarding Bhaskar's negative

> opinions about one nation, you will see that everyone was very

> polite and logical with him, but all his replies are full of will to

> fight and argue. He grew more and more adamant with each mail.

Most

> of the members here see it as nothing abnormal because the nation

in

> question has had bad relations with India. But, imagine if India and

> Bangladesh have some conflicts, should all Indians leave this group

> just because it is owned by an astrologer from Bangladesh.

> >

> > "Swadeshe pujyete raja, vidvan sarvatra pujyate" While the

> kings are respected in their own nations, the scholarly ones get

> respect all over the world. We cannot allow the personal, national,

> religious biases to hinder the growth of knowledge.

> >

> > The warnings are given when one has done a mistake and

has

> the will to amend it. But, when one is ready with a sword to fight

> it out till the end, adamantly proving his own point again and

> again, the warnings only serve to incite him and his vociferousness.

> >

> >

> > Bhaskar's case is an exception. This is not applicable to

> everyone. Most of the members in this group have very less

> frequencies of angry outbursts. Everyone cannot and will not be

> treated in same way.

> >

> >

> > About my commercial motives. Bhaskar has never and can

> never be a challenge to me. Take it as my ego or whatever, I do not

> feel threatened by anyone's astrological powers in this group. My

> clientage is not here. Please remember it.

> >

> > It was Bhaskar who has been raising the issue of

> commercialisation every time. Indirectly or directly he has been

> showing his own needs to earn money from astrology.

> >

> > I have always maintained that I am a full time

> professional astrologer but I have never directly or indirectly

> seeked clients from this group. I had started using the signature

> line proclaiming my professional status only to keep the free advice

> seekers away from my private id. Despite that I receive around 15

> mails each day which I have to ignore, warn or just delete. If you

> notice, I have not been using my signature line since past few

> weeks. My contributions have also gone down.

> >

> > Bhaskar may be a good astrologer, but he has some serious

> drawbacks. He does not know where to stop. An astrologer is

> respected not only for his knowledge but for his wisdom too. There

> is a big difference between knowledge and wisdom. Without wisdom

> knowledge can be very harmfull.

> >

> > An emotionally uncontrolled astrologer can be like a bull

> in a china shop. Irresponsible words, acts, rash motives and all,

> will be there. A doctor and an astrologer should have such a

> behaviour that half of the patient's or client's worries are reduced

> just by seeing him. A personally disturbed astrologer cannot

> properly guide anyone on right path.

> >

> >

> > The action to ban Bhaskar was taken not out of any

> personal grievances, but due to his own rash behaviour over last few

> months. We are in a group which is not ruled, governed, set by

> Indians only. It is a global group. Showing negative opinion for any

> perticular nation or religion amounts to striking at the very root

> of this group's foundation. The non-Indian members can get a feeling

> that tomorrow they can be discriminated against too. This will promt

> them not to contribute here any more.

> >

> > Democracy does not mean a free for all. There has to be

> some control somewhere.

> >

> > I say again, Bhaskar's case is an exception. He could not

> be warned, knowing his nature of retaliation. To avoid further ugly

> scenes and mutual angry dialogues, he had to be removed.

> >

> > Even before I could inform the group about his removal one

> member sent out his outcry. I sense that there is a feeling of

> insecurity among the contributing group members. But, those who

know

> me and Tanvir are assured that we will take an action only as and

> when needed and up to the required intensity only. It is unfortunate

> that Bhaskar had to be removed. He still has the option open to

> apologise to whole group for his statements and he will be welcomed

> back with open arms.

> >

> > I have taken this action not as Astrologer Ashutosh, but

> as Moderator Ashutosh. Being a moderator is not in my best interests

> as a conributing astrologer. On 'valist' my contributions have

> dwindled after I was appointed moderator by Das Goravani. Now, I

> have to weigh all my words and statements thrice before sending out

> any post. Any action or word of mine can be taken as autocratic or

> full of self-interest.

> >

> >

> > If anyone feels that he can take up the responsibility of

> moderating this group without hurting anyone's feelings, he is

> welcome to take my place. I will be very happy to be just an

> astrologer contributer.

> >

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Ashutosh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > Tanvir Chowdhury

> >

> > Saturday, 16 September, 2006 00:20

> > Current situation

> >

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > It is clear that there are some heat, or discussion on this

> forum

> > about the recent banning of

> >

> > Bhaskar Ji by newly appointed moderator Ashutosh Ji. (For

> everyone's

> > information, whoever might be mistaking, I did not ban Bhaskar

> Ji;

> > Ashutosh Ji did.) So I wanted to add my two bits of my input

> here.

> > We need to clarify a lot of things.

> >

> > Dear Arjun Ji, in one post you have written,

> >

> > "it is sad to note that tanvirji ignored the request of ALL

> MEMBERS

> > to give a warning first before banning a member."

> >

> > I have not ignored any request. I am very busy about my personal

> > life and unfortunately cannot concentrate about the forum that

> much

> > to precisely monitor what is going on and I believe that even

> > missing ONE message might lead a moderator to take a wrong

> decision.

> > That's why I have appointed Ashutosh Ji as a new moderator, for

> few

> > reasons : He is a good astrologer, this is needed for a

> moderator

> > because he has to resist the filths that comes as astrology

> (Like I

> > believe I have done the correct when I banned SA from this

> forum).

> > secondly so far I have known him, I watch him as a mature,

> tolerant,

> > logical and unbiased person, which is needed for moderation. The

> > last two qualities are very needed. (Of course many I know will

> > disagre about his tolerance and maturity for the recent banning,

> of

> > course views differ.) And also that he showed the concern about

> > group by writing me personally... often there are arguments

> beyond

> > the limit, and even spam mails, porn advertisements but no one

> wrote

> > to me but now at least he did.

> >

> > Now as the banning of Prashant Kumar Ji, I had received a few

> > complaints about him and as I did not follow the posts regularly

> I

> > recognized the complaints (as there was more than one person

> > compaining) and so banned him. I could NOT give a warning

> because it

> > would need further monitoring which I was unable of doing. And I

> did

> > know that my decision might be wrong AND that is the reason I

> asked

> > freely about your opinion and as soon as I had received positive

> > feedback, I had removed the ban and requested him to join again.

> Had

> > I investigated the matter more, or thought my decision to be

> final,

> > I would not have asked for your comments / votes. But I knew

> that I

> > might be wrong that is why I kept the room for being flexible.

> >

> > Personally I am always against of banning and the most I do (In

> > general) is to disable one's posting and still let him/her be in

> the

> > forum.

> >

> > Here I have given the power to Ashutosh Ji to ban someone

> because if

> > someone has given some responsibility he must be given the

power

> and

> > authority otherwise he cannot carry out his job.

> >

> > I believe Ashutosh Ji will use his authority and decisions with

> > tolerance and maturity, of course and I believe you all will

> > cooperate him in this matter.

> >

> > He might as well consider the step by step procedure suggested

> by

> > you as well. Personally I am in favour of using this steps

> before

> > banning someone. However, as I have given HIM the

> responsibility, I

> > would like to let HIM decide and not burden my own style on him.

> >

> > I also feel that a message should be delivered announcing the

> ban of

> > the member and explaining the reasons, after the ban is executed.

> >

> > Regarding financial interests about astrology, I do not think it

> to

> > be bad. A person might be thinking that his wisdom, knowledge or

> > whatever he has is worth selling, if others are willing to buy.

> > Giving free readings cannot assure that one is noble. One can be

> > very fair even after offering only paid readings and one can be

> a

> > deceiver / unethical even through free readings. I personally

> really

> > do not remember when for the last time I had replied to a mail

> > requesting free reading. It is of course more than six months,

> or

> > even close to a year. So, will people say that I am a

> businessman?

> > Some will, surely. But they will NOT do anymore after learning

> that

> > one person is after me for a PAID READING for more than 4-5

> months

> > and another person is on the queue for one month and another is

> for

> > 20 days or so. All paid readings, from where I would earn money.

> >

> > So it is all about being busy, and the reading needs mental

> energy,

> > some deep insight, that has to come from it's own. Otherwise, I

> do

> > NOT do readings, no one can even make me. People can also

> criticize

> > on my high prices of readings ($100-200, on average $150 or

> > somewhere) but it's just that I feel that my knowledge and

> labour

> > deserves that payment, I am in favour of working less but when I

> > work, I work good. For God's grace there is no complaint /

> > dissatisfaction from any of my paid customers as of yet. And

> many

> > trash things are going on around as astrology, with high prices,

> > just for their BIG NAMES and BIG GROUPS, and I know about their

> > knowledge fairly enough, so my ethics does not let me charge

> small.

> >

> > So anyone can call me businessman too... but I know I am

enough

> > strong financially and have no dependency on the money earned

> from

> > net.

> >

> > Anyway.

> >

> > Thanks for everyone, for your voices and being a part of JR

> family.

> >

> > Regards

> > Tanvir

> >

> > What cannot happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

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> > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

> > remedies

> > Where relief and solutions are found

> >

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