Current situation- Some clarificationsTanivr, Pt,Arjum, Ashutosh 16/9

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Dear Arjun, Tanvir, Ashotosh,,

I did not see this post in the morning, just in in brielfy to look for any posts from ashutosh on my request y'day how to deal with Tarun if this is a allowed area or moderated area. as I had to go out for morning works at the banks in the week end chores.

so at that time without seeing arjun's post felt both of u can do a good job together from my epxerience at the group so far. both do splending work.

AFTER READING THE AGENDA HE HAS LAID FOR A MODERATOR, well done I must admit I am convinced we need 2 moderators and prefer they do it jointly esp.. As Pt Arjun has spiritual knowledge and this site is about spiritual, and Vedic remedies in jyothisya and no nevic still part of jyotishya.

I HOPE TANVIR JI is reading this please reply and whoever does this job must follow Arjun-ji's agenda it is well laid out good work from

.Prashant

 

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: dear ashutoshji

let me clarify to you and to the group that i have nothing personal

against you and my whole criticism is targeted on your inaction in

earlier episode and instat action in current episode.

since many members have expressed their unhappiness and you too

invited any member to take up the responsibility of moderating the

group, i offer myself to moderate this group and, if the group owner

entrusts this responsibility and the members have no objection, my

moderatorship would be limited to the following activities:

1. remove or delete spam mails such as advertisements, pornos, virus

mails etc.

2. answer all those queries which are not answered by any member and

the querent post reminders.

3. inform the member publicly about any protests or hurt feelings

received against that member.

4. if any member hurts too much and too many complaints pour against

him, i will ONLY PLACE HIM UNDER MODERATION and still approve all

good mails and delete only objectionable mails.

5. criticism of any person or any country is allowed IF IT IS BASED

ON FACTS, SUBSTANTIATED BY REFERENCES.

6. allow non-jyotish content but related to spirituality or self

realisation as well since this is a discussion group to impart

knoweldge on all subjects allied to astrology.

7. being a moderator, i never sell myself or my services in this

group. outside the group and in private domain, i have full freedom.

8. will resign instantly if any member objects to my moderatorship

based on facts.

with best wishes

pandit arjun

, "astrologerashutosh"

<astrologerashutosh wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> The action to ban Bhaskar was not born out of

impatience. There is a valid reason behind it.

>

> There was the option of warning him. But, knowing

the 'short-fuse' volatile nature of Bhaskar, what do you think would

have been his reaction. The one who has personally attacked almost

every contributing member in this group, would have politely

accepted the warning?

>

> His words on my chat were," Main tab tak kisi ka

kuchh nahin bigadta jab tak woh mera kuchh na bigade." meaning, "I

do not harm anyone unless he harms me." This despite the fact that I

was not even responding to him. Sensing further attacks from him, I

ignored him from my messenger.

>

> Not to go too far, Bhaskar had indirectly attacked RRji

yesterday in one of his mails. First he creates all kinds of angry

moods, finds reasons to fight from other people's words and then

when the water crosses his head, he cools down. This kind Dr. Jekyl

and Mr. Hyde personality has disturbed the peace in this group many

times. He clearly shows that no one can point out his mistakes. He

takes even simple advices as personal attacks. What can one do with

a person who has a bare sword in his hand and is always ready to

fight.

>

> If you go through the mails regarding Bhaskar's negative

opinions about one nation, you will see that everyone was very

polite and logical with him, but all his replies are full of will to

fight and argue. He grew more and more adamant with each mail. Most

of the members here see it as nothing abnormal because the nation in

question has had bad relations with India. But, imagine if India and

Bangladesh have some conflicts, should all Indians leave this group

just because it is owned by an astrologer from Bangladesh.

>

> "Swadeshe pujyete raja, vidvan sarvatra pujyate" While the

kings are respected in their own nations, the scholarly ones get

respect all over the world. We cannot allow the personal, national,

religious biases to hinder the growth of knowledge.

>

> The warnings are given when one has done a mistake and has

the will to amend it. But, when one is ready with a sword to fight

it out till the end, adamantly proving his own point again and

again, the warnings only serve to incite him and his vociferousness.

>

>

> Bhaskar's case is an exception. This is not applicable to

everyone. Most of the members in this group have very less

frequencies of angry outbursts. Everyone cannot and will not be

treated in same way.

>

>

> About my commercial motives. Bhaskar has never and can

never be a challenge to me. Take it as my ego or whatever, I do not

feel threatened by anyone's astrological powers in this group. My

clientage is not here. Please remember it.

>

> It was Bhaskar who has been raising the issue of

commercialisation every time. Indirectly or directly he has been

showing his own needs to earn money from astrology.

>

> I have always maintained that I am a full time

professional astrologer but I have never directly or indirectly

seeked clients from this group. I had started using the signature

line proclaiming my professional status only to keep the free advice

seekers away from my private id. Despite that I receive around 15

mails each day which I have to ignore, warn or just delete. If you

notice, I have not been using my signature line since past few

weeks. My contributions have also gone down.

>

> Bhaskar may be a good astrologer, but he has some serious

drawbacks. He does not know where to stop. An astrologer is

respected not only for his knowledge but for his wisdom too. There

is a big difference between knowledge and wisdom. Without wisdom

knowledge can be very harmfull.

>

> An emotionally uncontrolled astrologer can be like a bull

in a china shop. Irresponsible words, acts, rash motives and all,

will be there. A doctor and an astrologer should have such a

behaviour that half of the patient's or client's worries are reduced

just by seeing him. A personally disturbed astrologer cannot

properly guide anyone on right path.

>

>

> The action to ban Bhaskar was taken not out of any

personal grievances, but due to his own rash behaviour over last few

months. We are in a group which is not ruled, governed, set by

Indians only. It is a global group. Showing negative opinion for any

perticular nation or religion amounts to striking at the very root

of this group's foundation. The non-Indian members can get a feeling

that tomorrow they can be discriminated against too. This will promt

them not to contribute here any more.

>

> Democracy does not mean a free for all. There has to be

some control somewhere.

>

> I say again, Bhaskar's case is an exception. He could not

be warned, knowing his nature of retaliation. To avoid further ugly

scenes and mutual angry dialogues, he had to be removed.

>

> Even before I could inform the group about his removal one

member sent out his outcry. I sense that there is a feeling of

insecurity among the contributing group members. But, those who know

me and Tanvir are assured that we will take an action only as and

when needed and up to the required intensity only. It is unfortunate

that Bhaskar had to be removed. He still has the option open to

apologise to whole group for his statements and he will be welcomed

back with open arms.

>

> I have taken this action not as Astrologer Ashutosh, but

as Moderator Ashutosh. Being a moderator is not in my best interests

as a conributing astrologer. On 'valist' my contributions have

dwindled after I was appointed moderator by Das Goravani. Now, I

have to weigh all my words and statements thrice before sending out

any post. Any action or word of mine can be taken as autocratic or

full of self-interest.

>

>

> If anyone feels that he can take up the responsibility of

moderating this group without hurting anyone's feelings, he is

welcome to take my place. I will be very happy to be just an

astrologer contributer.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Ashutosh

>

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> Tanvir Chowdhury

>

> Saturday, 16 September, 2006 00:20

> Current situation

>

>

> Dear all,

>

> It is clear that there are some heat, or discussion on this

forum

> about the recent banning of

>

> Bhaskar Ji by newly appointed moderator Ashutosh Ji. (For

everyone's

> information, whoever might be mistaking, I did not ban Bhaskar

Ji;

> Ashutosh Ji did.) So I wanted to add my two bits of my input

here.

> We need to clarify a lot of things.

>

> Dear Arjun Ji, in one post you have written,

>

> "it is sad to note that tanvirji ignored the request of ALL

MEMBERS

> to give a warning first before banning a member."

>

> I have not ignored any request. I am very busy about my personal

> life and unfortunately cannot concentrate about the forum that

much

> to precisely monitor what is going on and I believe that even

> missing ONE message might lead a moderator to take a wrong

decision.

> That's why I have appointed Ashutosh Ji as a new moderator, for

few

> reasons : He is a good astrologer, this is needed for a

moderator

> because he has to resist the filths that comes as astrology

(Like I

> believe I have done the correct when I banned SA from this

forum).

> secondly so far I have known him, I watch him as a mature,

tolerant,

> logical and unbiased person, which is needed for moderation. The

> last two qualities are very needed. (Of course many I know will

> disagre about his tolerance and maturity for the recent banning,

of

> course views differ.) And also that he showed the concern about

> group by writing me personally... often there are arguments

beyond

> the limit, and even spam mails, porn advertisements but no one

wrote

> to me but now at least he did.

>

> Now as the banning of Prashant Kumar Ji, I had received a few

> complaints about him and as I did not follow the posts regularly

I

> recognized the complaints (as there was more than one person

> compaining) and so banned him. I could NOT give a warning

because it

> would need further monitoring which I was unable of doing. And I

did

> know that my decision might be wrong AND that is the reason I

asked

> freely about your opinion and as soon as I had received positive

> feedback, I had removed the ban and requested him to join again.

Had

> I investigated the matter more, or thought my decision to be

final,

> I would not have asked for your comments / votes. But I knew

that I

> might be wrong that is why I kept the room for being flexible.

>

> Personally I am always against of banning and the most I do (In

> general) is to disable one's posting and still let him/her be in

the

> forum.

>

> Here I have given the power to Ashutosh Ji to ban someone

because if

> someone has given some responsibility he must be given the power

and

> authority otherwise he cannot carry out his job.

>

> I believe Ashutosh Ji will use his authority and decisions with

> tolerance and maturity, of course and I believe you all will

> cooperate him in this matter.

>

> He might as well consider the step by step procedure suggested

by

> you as well. Personally I am in favour of using this steps

before

> banning someone. However, as I have given HIM the

responsibility, I

> would like to let HIM decide and not burden my own style on him.

>

> I also feel that a message should be delivered announcing the

ban of

> the member and explaining the reasons, after the ban is executed.

>

> Regarding financial interests about astrology, I do not think it

to

> be bad. A person might be thinking that his wisdom, knowledge or

> whatever he has is worth selling, if others are willing to buy.

> Giving free readings cannot assure that one is noble. One can be

> very fair even after offering only paid readings and one can be

a

> deceiver / unethical even through free readings. I personally

really

> do not remember when for the last time I had replied to a mail

> requesting free reading. It is of course more than six months,

or

> even close to a year. So, will people say that I am a

businessman?

> Some will, surely. But they will NOT do anymore after learning

that

> one person is after me for a PAID READING for more than 4-5

months

> and another person is on the queue for one month and another is

for

> 20 days or so. All paid readings, from where I would earn money.

>

> So it is all about being busy, and the reading needs mental

energy,

> some deep insight, that has to come from it's own. Otherwise, I

do

> NOT do readings, no one can even make me. People can also

criticize

> on my high prices of readings ($100-200, on average $150 or

> somewhere) but it's just that I feel that my knowledge and

labour

> deserves that payment, I am in favour of working less but when I

> work, I work good. For God's grace there is no complaint /

> dissatisfaction from any of my paid customers as of yet. And

many

> trash things are going on around as astrology, with high prices,

> just for their BIG NAMES and BIG GROUPS, and I know about their

> knowledge fairly enough, so my ethics does not let me charge

small.

>

> So anyone can call me businessman too... but I know I am enough

> strong financially and have no dependency on the money earned

from

> net.

>

> Anyway.

>

> Thanks for everyone, for your voices and being a part of JR

family.

>

> Regards

> Tanvir

>

> What cannot happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

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